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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday April 06 2021, @08:45PM   Printer-friendly
from the keep-what-works-and-pitch-the-rest dept.

A Developer's Inside Look At Where Slack Started -- And Where It's Headed:

In 2020, Slack nearly doubled its paying customer base over the previous year, thanks to the pandemic, and was recently acquired by Salesforce for over $27 billion. But according to Justin Hardin, senior software engineer at Slack, the product originally started as a gaming platform that failed to take off.

"They unfortunately ran out of money and had to lay people off, so they pivoted by asking, 'Which piece of our product works?' And that was the chat aspect," Hardin says on the latest episode of Decoded, OutSystems' podcast for the next generation of developers.

But the app's friendly human tone was inspired by its gaming roots.

"They kept the writer on who was creating the dialogues for the games, and instead had her do the dialogues for the product," he says. "That's how you have this enterprise chat platform with help messages and onboarding that's in a more conversational tone, which helped define the product experience."

[Ed Note - I'm not surprised by this. Slack always felt like a part of a gaming platform to me. - Fnord]


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  • (Score: 1) by melyan on Tuesday April 06 2021, @08:54PM

    by melyan (14385) on Tuesday April 06 2021, @08:54PM (#1134018) Journal

    Money won't be need after ego. Unless it's in a MMORPG.

  • (Score: 1) by Snort on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:29PM (31 children)

    by Snort (5141) on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:29PM (#1134034)

    And the slow grinding process to monetize slack content begins.

    Discussing new switches, you might start getting calls.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by melyan on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:43PM (29 children)

      by melyan (14385) on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:43PM (#1134041) Journal

      You ignored my other comment because of The Elephant In Your Brain. https://www.elephantinthebrain.com [elephantinthebrain.com] .

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:57PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:57PM (#1134048)

        Or nobody is interested in your ego shtick, which is looking more like boring spam now.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by melyan on Tuesday April 06 2021, @11:09PM (3 children)

          by melyan (14385) on Tuesday April 06 2021, @11:09PM (#1134068) Journal

          The ultimate taboo. Ego can't face itself.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:21AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:21AM (#1134092)

            You are boring.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:08AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:08AM (#1134585) Journal
            The ultimate taboo: ego can't understand its absence. You will never know what the world will be like without you.
            • (Score: 1) by melyan on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:34AM

              by melyan (14385) on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:34AM (#1134602) Journal

              First of all. Sup. It would seem suicide and perhaps some actions in war or protest or for family would contradict.

      • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday April 07 2021, @09:41AM (23 children)

        by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @09:41AM (#1134215)

        Interesting. I might give that a read. I don't agree with calling things like self-interest "ugly" or describing how humans actually behave as dark and scary. It's just what we are. Evolutionary biology just is what it is.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 07 2021, @11:54AM (21 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @11:54AM (#1134240) Journal

          It can be ugly. Lord knows people who decide to just plop down and wallow in it are ugly as hell, not to mention dangerous to the survival of the species. Hint, hint...

          --
          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
          • (Score: 2, Funny) by melyan on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:20PM (9 children)

            by melyan (14385) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:20PM (#1134379) Journal

            Azuma. What do you want to ask of me--who is without ego? What do you want to know of what humankind can become?

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:02AM (8 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:02AM (#1134529) Journal

              I've already got some idea of what humankind can become and I want no part of it. We really are limited by our biology, just nowhere near to the extent people who choose to wallow in the worst aspects of it insist. I don't think we're getting off this rock, for example.

              This is one reason I'm not reincarnating again if I have any say at all in the matter. We're reaching the limits of what we are capable of by nature. I'll try and be the best human I can be until my death, but in the grand scheme of things, that's not going to save us as a species, and it's just possible we don't deserve to *be* saved.

              --
              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 1) by melyan on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:22AM (1 child)

                by melyan (14385) on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:22AM (#1134548) Journal

                For you to perceive how I think is like a dog's perception of how you think. Would you want to be upgraded?

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:56AM

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:56AM (#1134735) Journal

                  If it turns me into an insufferable chuuni creepo like you? No, thanks. You have high INT but low WIS and a CHA score that makes me look like Marilyn Monroe!

                  --
                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:00AM (5 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:00AM (#1134580) Journal

                We really are limited by our biology, just nowhere near to the extent people who choose to wallow in the worst aspects of it insist.

                [...]

                We're reaching the limits of what we are capable of by nature.

                So which is it? Are we reaching the limits as the wallowers claim or not?

                My take is that we're already well beyond the limits of our biology. A few weeks back I was driving 80 MPH, merely to get from point A to B. Up to about 170 years when sufficiently fast mechanical travel was developed [wikipedia.org], going 80 MPH meant you most likely were seconds from death, because you were in some sort of accident or disaster.

                For another example, two or three decades back, I implemented one of the Mersenne prime finders on computer. Over a single night, I generated all of the Mersenne primes [wikipedia.org] (they are all of the form two to a power of a prime minus one, simple examples are 3, 7, and 31) that anyone had computed by hand plus a little more. In other words, many year of hard work done overnight as a lark.

                All that happened despite remarkably little change in our biological limits over the last few hundred thousand years (Homo Sapiens has been around for 300k years).

                Thus, it makes little sense to speak of our biological limits when discussing what we're capable of by nature.

                • (Score: 1) by melyan on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:56AM (4 children)

                  by melyan (14385) on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:56AM (#1134613) Journal

                  algo? language?

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:36AM (3 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @07:36AM (#1134702) Journal
                    Language was Java. Algorithm was the Lucas-Lehmer [wikipedia.org] test. I just used normal long ints (think it was 32 bits unsigned at the time) IIRC. It goes well into the computer generated Mersenne primes in the 1970s.
                    • (Score: 1) by melyan on Friday April 09 2021, @11:41PM (2 children)

                      by melyan (14385) on Friday April 09 2021, @11:41PM (#1135537) Journal

                      Love to see it on GitHub or something.

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 10 2021, @01:03PM (1 child)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 10 2021, @01:03PM (#1135670) Journal
                        It was a throw away program that could be easily duplicated. Because there's a squaring operation in there, you're effectively limited to half the bits of your int size. For an unsigned 32 bit number, it meant I could handle 16 bits for my prime exponent. So to increase the capability of the program beyond that to a useful level, one would need to do some sort of arbitrary sized int handling.
                        • (Score: 1) by melyan on Saturday April 10 2021, @10:27PM

                          by melyan (14385) on Saturday April 10 2021, @10:27PM (#1135832) Journal

                          Do you have any code out there? Most open source code is 95% ego, but I know you and would be interested in whatever you had.

          • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Wednesday April 07 2021, @10:29PM (10 children)

            by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @10:29PM (#1134486)

            Anyone saying that don't make decisions primarily out of self-interest is delusional or simply lying. It's a core instinct and it ensures your day-to-day survival. I blame the Christianity inverted-morality everyone subscribes to for demonizing it. It's annoying talking to self-described atheists and asking them about their core values, and finding out they are basically Baptists that refuse to pray to daddy.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:04AM (7 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @12:04AM (#1134530) Journal

              You "libertarian" types are toxic assholes, you know that?

              Listen and listen good: enlightened self-interest is a thing. It is entirely possible for decisions that you would (no doubt with a sneer) claim were falsely-altruistic actually do result in better life and living for the decision-maker and others. The only zero-sum game in this universe is entropy; within the bounds of entropy, we are *not* limited to "if I gain someone else has to lose and vice-versa."

              The fact that this is not the case is the only reason civilization exists. Conversely, and this is a direct consequence, the "rational selfish actor" types like you and your kind are the direct enemies of civilization.

              --
              I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:04AM (6 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:04AM (#1134582) Journal

                Listen and listen good: enlightened self-interest is a thing.

                crafoo said originally:

                I don't agree with calling things like self-interest "ugly" or describing how humans actually behave as dark and scary.

                Sounds like enlightened self-interest to me.

                • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:59AM (5 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:59AM (#1134736) Journal

                  Except missing the "enlightened" part. The tricky thing about this is, the unenlightened self-interested actions are usually easier, quicker, more gratifying, require less thought, and more immediately appealing to the person contemplating them. It takes effort and will (and not being a psychopath, so you're proper fucked from the word "go").

                  You and your kind will go to extreme lengths to justify stupid, shortsighted, self-gratifying actions--in a word, unenlightened self-interest. It brings to mind the old quote about how many a man could have gone to paradise with half the effort he put into going to Hell.

                  --
                  I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @01:40PM (4 children)

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @01:40PM (#1134763) Journal

                    Except missing the "enlightened" part.

                    This is just a No True Scotsman fallacy. Sorry, you're not in a position to lecture someone else on what the enlightened part is.

                    It takes effort and will (and not being a psychopath, so you're proper fucked from the word "go").

                    In other words, here's a great example of how you're a terrible source of enlightenment, pigeon-holing people into imaginary classes of psychopath.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:02PM (3 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:02PM (#1134772) Journal

                      Stop acting like a psychopath and I'll stop calling you one. The worst part of all this is, the things you say that make you look worst are things you casually toss out like any other sentence, things you don't even consider are making you look bad. To normal, sane people, though, it's the equivalent of someone suddenly coughing up bubbling putrid black goo and howling at the moon.

                      --
                      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:23PM (2 children)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:23PM (#1134780) Journal

                        Stop acting like a psychopath and I'll stop calling you one.

                        Sorry, that is profoundly dishonest. A common feature [psi.uba.ar] of antisocial personality disorder is that they act like normal people in order to manipulate or deceive them.

                        1.Antagonism, characterized by:

                        a.Manipulativeness: Frequent use of subterfuge to influence or control others; use of seduction, charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve one's ends.

                        b.Deceitfulness: Dishonesty and fraudulence; misrepresentation of self; embellishment or fabrication when relating events.

                        c.Callousness: Lack of concern for feelings or problems of others; lack of guilt or remorse about the negative or harmful effects of one's actions on others; aggression; sadism.

                        d.Hostility: Persistent or frequent angry feelings; anger or irritability in response to minor slights and insults; mean, nasty, or vengeful behavior.

                        So in particular, normal people act like psychopaths/sociopaths because some psychopaths/sociopaths deliberately act like normal people. Your central assertion is not falsifiable!

                        Notice also that's a lot more symptoms than that: impulsiveness, irritability and physical aggression, recklessness, consistent irresponsibility, and lack of remorse for harm caused to others. I exhibit little of that behavior though how would you show that in a SN post? Again, not falsifiable!

                        If you try to play the game of cherry picking a few symptoms based on extreme posts, well, back at you on that one. You fit that above list a little better than I do.

                        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:53PM (1 child)

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday April 08 2021, @11:53PM (#1135088) Journal

                          That definition sounds exactly like your posts, especially when you fuck up and let something slip.

                          To be clear, I don't put you in the same basket of nutshittery as Runaway, since you at least don't seem to want to start a civil war and don't have (or are smart enough to keep a lid on...) any festering subsurface racial animus. But your economics and most of your policy stances are things only someone whose ego has its own Schawrszchild radius could support. If you were intellectually disabled or otherwise below-average in terms of intelligence, it could possibly be partly forgiven as lacking either information or the cognitive firepower to make use of the same, but it's clear you're not suffering from a deficit of brainpower.

                          The only conclusion, then, is that you know full well what the results of your ideas would be if implemented and don't give a damn.

                          --
                          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
                          • (Score: 1, Touché) by khallow on Friday April 09 2021, @12:41AM

                            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 09 2021, @12:41AM (#1135111) Journal

                            That definition sounds exactly like your posts, especially when you fuck up and let something slip.

                            And yet you can never point to a specific case. It's all vague accusations.

                            But your economics and most of your policy stances are things only someone whose ego has its own Schawrszchild radius could support.

                            Sorry, I just don't buy that. It's not like I'm proposing a solution that requires khallow cooties to make everything work out.

                            The only conclusion, then, is that you know full well what the results of your ideas would be if implemented and don't give a damn.

                            Or as I've repeated said, that I think the results would be pretty good for everyone.

            • (Score: 1) by melyan on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:53AM (1 child)

              by melyan (14385) on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:53AM (#1134612) Journal

              It's not a primary motivation. It's the only motivation. And the only is to increase social status. Free will is an illusion. Every single decision exists to increase social status.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:26PM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 08 2021, @02:26PM (#1134781) Journal
                I disagree. There are other motivations out there. For example, reducing pain and suffering, or seeking stimulation.
        • (Score: 1) by melyan on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:17PM

          by melyan (14385) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:17PM (#1134374) Journal

          Well, the whole things is about recursion. Calling it "ugly" is ugly. Calling calling it "ugly" is ugly. You have to break the recursion. This is what I did, without ego.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 06 2021, @09:55PM (#1134047)

      Perhaps they could data mine communications to give Leadership advance notice of trouble-makers and those looking for new jobs. This will boost productivity as all the lazy scumbags are rooted out. The warming effect on the remaining employees will usher in a period of higher profits and worker contentment.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday April 06 2021, @10:36PM (4 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Tuesday April 06 2021, @10:36PM (#1134060) Journal

    Here I was expecting an article about slackware [slackware.com]

    or perhaps even slack itself. [slackwiki.com]

    But no, this is about some stupid app.

    Alright then, carry on.

    Arik leaves in search of something interesting.

    --
    If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:11AM (3 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:11AM (#1134087) Journal

      You forgot your stupid pointless hard-on-the-eyes monospace font tag.

      ...who are you and what have you done with the real Arik?

      --
      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 1) by Arik on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:42AM

        by Arik (4543) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:42AM (#1134101) Journal
        My posts do not specify fonts, that's the result of your browser settings and/or site settings.
        --
        If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
      • (Score: 2) by leon_the_cat on Wednesday April 07 2021, @01:26AM (1 child)

        by leon_the_cat (10052) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @01:26AM (#1134123) Journal

        Be careful he has a porpoise army.

        • (Score: 1) by Arik on Friday April 09 2021, @05:16AM

          by Arik (4543) on Friday April 09 2021, @05:16AM (#1135217) Journal
          Do I?

          I want to believe it. But you'll need to provide some corroboration.
          --
          If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:29AM

    by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:29AM (#1134093) Homepage Journal

    I don't want an informal, conversational tone on a piece of software I'm forced to use for work as an employee. You can't just bolt on some thin corporate representation of the essence of friendliness and expect it to motivate people or make them feel comfortable. It's patronizing and creepy.

    On a video gaming platform, it's all good though--although even then I'd prefer the chatty stuff is in-game and not part of, say, the configuration software, an application store like Steam, or even a chat application actually.

    --
    If a cat has kittens, does a rat have rittens, a bat bittens and a mat mittens?
  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:33AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:33AM (#1134095)

    Its "paying customer base" is the companies who are too clueless to setup an open-source equivalent.
    This means it's the same companies who are already paying for Microsoft Office.
    Which in turn means they will soon realise they are already paying for Teams for sufficiently equivalent functionality, and can stop paying double.

  • (Score: 2) by oumuamua on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:52AM

    by oumuamua (8401) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @12:52AM (#1134110)

    Glitch the Game
    the start:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b6O5QXj6n18 [youtube.com]
    the end:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzE_fIxEVg [youtube.com]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @01:11AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @01:11AM (#1134117)

    It's going to get round-filed. It's part of a massive, yet futile, LEA sting operation.

  • (Score: 2) by Acabatag on Wednesday April 07 2021, @02:09AM

    by Acabatag (2885) on Wednesday April 07 2021, @02:09AM (#1134141)

    Slack started with Glitch [youtube.com], which was a non-violent MMO that was really a blast to play.

    Unfortunately it was based on Flash so it had no future. And Stoot and his gang mostly used it as a launch to make something bigger anyway.

    Butterfield also was a founder of Tumblr, wasn't he?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @03:57AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @03:57AM (#1134164)

    nomsg

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @07:42AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @07:42AM (#1134201)

    you know. that ancient thing that thought "#" was a good way to designate topics.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:18PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 07 2021, @06:18PM (#1134376)

    you're not a developer, you're a fucking whore. shove slack up your ass!

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