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on Friday June 18 2021, @02:00PM
from the A-woman’s-face-with-nature’s-own-hand-painted dept.
from the A-woman’s-face-with-nature’s-own-hand-painted dept.
Toxic ‘forever chemicals’ widespread in top makeup brands, study finds:
[...] The products that most frequently contain high levels of fluorine include waterproof mascara (82% of brands tested), foundations (63%) and liquid lipstick (62%).
PFAS, or per- and polyfluoroalkyl substances, are a class of about 9,000 compounds used to make products such as food packaging, clothing and carpeting water and stain resistant. They are often dubbed “forever chemicals” because they do not naturally break down and have been found to accumulate in humans.
The chemicals are linked at certain levels to cancer, birth defects, liver disease, thyroid disease, decreased immunity, hormone disruption, and a range of other serious health problems.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @02:02PM
-nomsg
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @02:08PM (39 children)
... and now they have to worry about fluorine in their cosmetics?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @02:20PM (38 children)
I am told their #1 struggle in life is getting everyone around them to call them the opposite of what their sex is.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:05PM (37 children)
Do you mean their birth sex, their dress-up sex, or their selection from the 92 millennial genders?
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:01PM (28 children)
Boy, some people are really obsessed with other people's gender. They must be very insecure in their own masculinity.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday June 18 2021, @04:32PM
Or femininity?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:43PM (26 children)
Nah. It's being forced to say an obvious lie and deny that obvious mental illness is in front of you. If you are a man who wants to dress as a woman and your company allows it, have at it, but don't drag me into your mental illness along with you. Sorry to burst your bubble, trannies, but you can't change your sex. You can only play Halloween.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 18 2021, @04:52PM (10 children)
"Obsession" is a pretty accurate term when you start passing laws allowing you to inspect their genitals!
Florida Lawmakers Pass Bill That Legalizes Teen Genital Inspections [out.com]
TSA copping a feel for safety TYRRANY! Teachers copping a feel for something as pointless as highschool sports FREEDOM!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:01PM (9 children)
If trannies would just respect the rules and not try to barge in on the other sex's turf, none of this would be necessary.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday June 18 2021, @05:10PM (8 children)
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:04PM (6 children)
You're being disingenuous. The bill is to protect women's sports. Men with their greater strength, speed, and stamina dominate over women in most sports. This is, in fact, why we HAVE separate women's sports. It's the same reason we have different weight classes in boxing.
A male to female tranny in MMA:
https://mobile.twitter.com/FondOfBeetles/status/1273027012349870080/photo/1 [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:16PM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:23PM (1 child)
This whole thread was about a Fla. law that was specifically about school sports, not about bathrooms. Try to keep up.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:30PM
The rebuttal we're both replying to was about bathrooms. You're just stalling. 🤡
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @06:54PM
yeah, and girls nor parents want biological males in the girls' bathroom.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 18 2021, @09:36PM (1 child)
We definitely need the government to get involved in such an important issue as highschool girls sports.
Passing a law to regulate exposure to PFAs would be the nanny state run amok! But pussy inspections? Sign us freedom lovers up!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @10:10PM
If you want to kill girl's sports and turn it over to the men (sorry, new "women"), then you are for this. Own it.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 18 2021, @07:21PM
Matt Gaetz has a slightly different success criteria in mind!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:56PM (14 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:13PM (13 children)
Are you implying that mutilating someone's body to align with their delusion is "treatment"?
Treatment would be getting someone to see they are deluded, not reinforcing their delusion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:19PM (12 children)
Is an appendectomy "mutilating someone's body"?
Memes really aren't medical advice that you should be trusting. Try doing actual research.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:28PM (3 children)
So your penis is like an appendix, an tiny fingerling pouch with no known function (with only recent conjecture about its function)?
Nice to know getting your dick chopped off is like getting your ears pierced, a big nothing. You are CRAZY.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:33PM (2 children)
Thinks transitioning means "chopping penix off"... sounding like a dipshit the entire time. 🤡
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @10:13PM (1 child)
Well, there is also chemical castration. Another form of mutilation/body destruction.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @10:45PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:51PM (3 children)
Yes? Why wouldn't removing a rather important organ be considered mutilation? Or are you just way behind the times?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:00PM (2 children)
You should actually try taking a moment to answer that question. When you picture medical treatment as "mutilating bodies" you're not speaking from an informed perspective. You really should get your medical advice from somewhere other than memes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:28PM (1 child)
I recommend Dr. Kathy Rumer for your treatment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:40PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:21PM (3 children)
Appendectomies are done because the appendix is infected and will endanger the person's life if it ruptures. There is no physical disease involved in 'top/bottom' sex-change surgery regardless of which genders are involved, any more than there would be in 'treating' body integrity dysmorphia [wikipedia.org] with surgery.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:43PM (2 children)
In other words it's not mutilation if it's treatment. Thank you! Now maybe one day you'll actually look into what the treatment is so you won't sound so ignorant the next time you try to play it off as a quick flick of the scalpel.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @02:12PM (1 child)
Altering the body to treat a mental condition doesn't seem like much of a "treatment".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:55PM
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Tork on Friday June 18 2021, @05:07PM (2 children)
Translation: "We say we're big on personal freedom, but I'm also an easy-sell so please don't do anything in front of me that makes me consider switching teams!"
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @05:30PM (1 child)
Can a trans lunar injection get you into a cis lunar orbit?
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday June 18 2021, @10:48PM
Monthly
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @05:25PM (4 children)
The last time I checked [soylentnews.org] there were only 89 genders.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:22PM (1 child)
>> only 89 genders.
This right here is hate speech and I had expected better of you. How dare you try to erase the other genders and act as if they do not exist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:29PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:24AM
Conservatives, being stupid motherfuckers, are always bad at math. They can't count genders, they can't do their taxes, they cannot calculate whether or not they are a majority! So, yes, they made a boo-boo, again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @09:38AM
That may be, but they breed like rabbits. Or at least some of them do.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @02:20PM (21 children)
I delivered many loads of chemicals to cosmetic manufacturers when I drove truck.
If women dug into the ingredients in their cosmetics, they would dump most all of them.
Sent into a plant in Ontario one day, and picked up a load of black powdery stuff in drums. Stuff had "flammable" placards all over it, and my instructions were to keep the refrigerator unit set at 68 degrees F. Naturally, I asked what the stuff was, and why it had to be refrigerated. It was the black that made mascara so very black - and it was likely to spontaneously combust at temperatures over 85 degrees F. I was to monitor the temperature of the reefer, and if it got over 80 degrees, I was supposed to call dispatch for instructions.
Nassssty stuff. And, women purchase that crap, to put around their eyes.
And, this story makes it obvious that the carbon-black isn't nearly the worst of the chemicals in your makeup.
It's insane, if you ask me.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @02:22PM (8 children)
At least we don't use lead in cosmetics anymore... well, mostly not anymore.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:04PM (7 children)
Yeah, guys have mostly stopped licking women's faces to put lead in their pencils. That was disgusting.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:31PM (5 children)
Hilarious! You are a cunning linguist, sir.
Here's the porno trend I could never comprehend: spitting, especially into other people's mouths. I know the Internet has something for everyone, so I shudder to imagine the sites that host chewing tobacco spitting porn. That would put me on the ropes.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:49PM (4 children)
And yet penises in mouths is *totally* cool.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:59PM
At least one person is getting something out of it, so yes, oral sex (penis, vag... anus?) is far superior to spitting in someone's mouth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:04PM (2 children)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:33PM (1 child)
With modern porn, whose porn search history ISN'T disgusting.
Like, I just want to see a man fuck a woman, not the whole football team, not someone suspended by ropes wearing a ball-gag and a pig mask, not a guy getting assfucked by a dude while a girl pinches his nipples. Porn has jumped the shark with a 3 inch diameter rubber plug in its butt.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:51PM
That's not even porn these days, more like a freshman hazing ritual.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:38PM
I always thought "pencil dick" was an insult.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:57PM
It's called Female Empowerment, aka selling more shit to people by fucking with their heads. Now we have Rapinhoe hawking knickers from Victoria's Secret, because yahh empowerment is sexy y'all. Why women seem to be more vulnerable to this? You can speculate. But the same shit is being done to men too (see guns, SUVs, e.g.). Be a man.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @05:35PM (1 child)
There is a less dangerous alternative. Makeup that is tattooed onto the face. Permanent makeup. No need for chemicals. You always have exactly one style of makeup. Forever. Because fashion never changes.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:35PM
Looks BAAAAAAD.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Tork on Friday June 18 2021, @07:46PM (4 children)
I have a question, please forgive my ignorance on this topic: Is the stuff you're talking about flammable because it's chemically active or is it flammable because it's such a fine particulate? I understand that sawdust is a huge problem for this reason.
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @08:20PM (3 children)
I didn't get into the chemistry - it was just a load, and I had a short time to get it to Texas, so I loaded it and hauled ass. The only reason it stuck in my mind, was the refrigeration requirement.
Lamp-black, coal-black, or whatever is flammable, in and of itself, of course, but you don't refrigerate it. Blackening agents for tires and other products never had to be refrigerated (in my experience), and those are very fine particulates as well.
I suspect that some kind of oxidizer was added to the carbon component, that becomes chemically unstable when it gets over ~85 degrees, but, again, I'm not a chemist.
Now that I think about it, refrigeration was never a requirement for flammable metals, or any other bulk chemicals I ever hauled. That one load was unique, in that respect.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday June 18 2021, @08:53PM (2 children)
Thank you!
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @10:56PM (1 child)
>> 'like' button
That retarded shit is for the dumb fucks on facebook.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Friday June 18 2021, @11:24PM
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:27AM
Again, Runaway reveals his stupidness, his ignorance! He does not recognize carbon black, one of the primary ingredients in tire rubber. Oh, crap, now that I revealed that, Runaway will be chasing the big rigs down the highway, trying to get that "just right" Sarah Huckabee "smokey eye" look! Good luck, Runaway!
(Score: 2) by Pav on Sunday June 20 2021, @11:18PM (1 child)
This made me curious, and it seems a feature of mascara is it melts at a little below body temperature. A "heat mascara" search also says it's a trick to hit mascara with hot air from a hairdrier to make it more sticky and presumably effective.
My two minute theory is that they'd had whole batches of very expensive black powder get ruined because some idiots let it melt - half an hour above temperature in a fridge van never mattered much for cabbages, right? So then they started telling truckers/storemen/etc... it would spontaneously combust above a certain temperature, and suddenly there were no more ruined consignments.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 21 2021, @12:28AM
You know, that's just possible. I read your post, and my first thought was, "Yeah, but I skimmed over the MSDS, and it said "Keep refrigerated blah blah blah". Then, I remembered who writes those MSDS. If and when a manufacturer makes something "new", he writes the MSDS, of course. Add some chemical to your compound, and it's "new", and none of the UN or DOT sheets match your same-old-compound any longer.
Your theory fits as well as anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 21 2021, @12:01AM
It's interesting that women pay more in health insurance but men pay more in life insurance.
So women are more likely to see the doctor ... and men are more likely to die (at a given age)?
(Score: 2) by fadrian on Friday June 18 2021, @02:21PM (18 children)
The chemicals are linked at certain levels to cancer ... and a range of other serious health problems.
At what level? Is the linkage causal or are the health issues independent of these "dangerous" chemicals. Fluorine (although dangerous in its pure form) is a perfectly good atom to stick on another chemical as long as the final compound is tested for safety (whatever your definition of that is). This looks like a standard generic anti-chemical scare story.
That is all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @02:50PM (1 child)
The complaint is that fluorinated chemicals tend not to break down and can thus accumulate.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday June 18 2021, @09:31PM
Yes exactly. And they accumulate in humans too, especially with long-term exposure like wearing it on your skin all day!
As of now we don't really know what happens if those levels go up in humans because they haven't been around long enough for it to happen.
There is some toxicity in animals but that's about all we have direct evidence of so far.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:07PM (5 children)
If God meant you to be a walking chemical factory, He would have put a mini-distillery on your chest.
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @03:35PM
https://www.alcohol.org/co-occurring-disorder/auto-brewery-syndrome/ [alcohol.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @05:36PM (3 children)
If God wanted us to do Genetic Engineering, Software, or Politics, he would have given our species brains.
-- DannyB
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @08:56PM (1 child)
If God wanted us to have religioms, He would have given us His only Son.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:30AM
Yeah, Indian giver! Took him back!
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday June 18 2021, @10:52PM
Plenty of brain required for governance, but none necessary for politics - in fact, a brain seems detrimental for the latter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Friday June 18 2021, @03:59PM (6 children)
I believe there was a huge drive to remove PFAs from transformers and as an industrial heat transfer fluid in heat exchangers. It was deemed to be _very bad_ for people and it was getting into the water supply, especially on the east coast.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:46PM
At least it's not PCB. Yay progress?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:52PM (4 children)
You're thinking of PCBs (polychlorinated biphenyls, not printed circuit boards). Totally different stuff.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:56PM (3 children)
I have no idea how you drew that conclusion from my comment.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:27PM (2 children)
Huh?
If you're the AC whose one liner I wasn't replying to... well, I wasn't replying to you. In fact I didn't even see your post since I stopped to read the actual article before commenting.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:07PM (1 child)
But you don't bother to read the comments where you post. Not too thorough.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:33AM
Always good to quote the post your are replying to, just in case we all loose the train of thought, and forget what we were talking about, or even why we were here, or where would be a good place to get a beer. Just saying.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @05:16PM
No conclusive evidence of adverse health effects in humans has ever been shown, but multiple studies have shown that there might be a risk. It is not in dispute that the chemicals bioaccumulate, but no one really knows what the health implications are. Like most fluorinated chemicals, they are largely chemically inert, which makes them less toxic but also impossible to metabolize. Even though they don't chemically react, they might have negative health effects through their physical properties, which are the same properties that make them useful (for instance as surfactants or viscosity modifiers). Biochemistry is complicated and the science is just not conclusive... but there's a good possibility.
American and European chemical companies have stopped manufacturing these chemicals in favor of similar ones that are hoped to have less potential for accumulation. However, they are still manufactured in China and may be found in imported products.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday June 19 2021, @12:10AM (1 child)
Perfluorooctanoic acid - Health_concerns [wikipedia.org]
Use your preferred search engine with "C8 PFOA DuPont workers"
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/10/magazine/the-lawyer-who-became-duponts-worst-nightmare.html [nytimes.com]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Waters_(2019_film) [wikipedia.org]
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-deception/ [theintercept.com]
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/17/teflon-toxin-case-against-dupont/ [theintercept.com]
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/20/teflon-toxin-dupont-slipped-past-epa/ [theintercept.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:35AM
Been there, done that. A colostomy bag is your friend, your stinky, often overfull friend.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:10PM (1 child)
While better then being toxic a lot of things used in makeup etc are quite weird and disgusting. How many of them doesn't use like crushed bugs for pigmentation, ambergris (whalebarf or poop depending on which exit it takes), blubber ...
Makes one feel all pretty just thinking about it. Not that I wear makeup. But that said I think I would prefer to smear some whalepoop on my face compared to the chemicals mentioned in the article.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @06:46PM
Electrolytes, bro. It's what your skin craves. Like effervesent H2O with activated oxygen.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Friday June 18 2021, @04:24PM (6 children)
Registration required, so I did not RTFA.
The last time I saw a story like this, it involved levels so low as to be meaningless. Analysts have a saying that if you use a sensitive enough test you can find anything in anything. A bit oversimplified, but insightful.
Or did it find concentrations where physiological effects are known or reasonably suspected or can't be ruled out?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:48PM
While reassuring, these products can end up concentrated as a result of spills at the factory or whatever. It would be best to eliminate this stuff.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Friday June 18 2021, @04:52PM (3 children)
Odd, I have no registration on The Guardian, but I read the article just fine.
https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2021/jun/15/pfas-makeup-forever-chemicals [theguardian.com]
What I do NOT SEE are any links to anything meaningful, like the published study.
A better article here: https://www.doctorslounge.com/index.php/news/hd/103226 [doctorslounge.com]
The real concern is,
So, as a child, you have zero of these chemicals in your body - mid-teens, you have more, mid-twenties, yet more, etc.
And, NONE of them have any known health benefits whatsoever. All of them have potential health hazards.
Probably, none of them are as serious a health threat as thalidomide - but you can't know that until you research the stuff.
For comparison, it only took a few milligrams of thalidomide to create hideously deformed babies. Just a few milligrams, as opposed to pounds of these "forever chemicals" ingested over a lifetime.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday June 18 2021, @05:39PM (1 child)
Same here. But, I use uMatrix.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @06:11AM
But isn't uMatrix unsupported?
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @07:56PM
No, children are being born with detectable PFAS in them: https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/childrens-exposure-pfas-chemicals-begins-womb [ewg.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 18 2021, @04:54PM
Are you deliberately dumb? Or just dumb.