The South Australian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (SACAT) failed to be Touched by His Noodly Appendage in a decision on Adelaide woman Tanya Watkins' claim that FSM was formed for a "religious, educational, charitable or benevolent purpose".
The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (FSM) remains in the realms of satire in central Australia after an appeal for formal recognition was rejected by a South Australian legal authority on the grounds that it is a "sham" and a "hoax".
[...] In the ruling, Ms McEvoy noted that while various "Pastafarian texts" are set out in traditional religious forms, they "contain some surprising articulations", such as references to the books of the Bible as the "Old Testicle" and "New Testicle".
Story from the ABC: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-19/sa-church-of-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-proposal-rejected/100228038
Earlier ABC stories tell about how New Zealand is more accepting than Australians of our colander-headed brethren and sistren:
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @04:24PM (5 children)
They haven't killed anyone yet.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:00PM
Are you referring to the "J"ews who murdered Jesus, perchance?
(Score: 3, Funny) by bzipitidoo on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:29PM (3 children)
But He has boiled for our sins.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @10:54PM (1 child)
The FSM is my shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me lie down after a good Italian meal: He bringeth me the sparkling or the still waters.
He restoreth my stomach: He leadeth me in the twisting paths of noodleyness for His name's sake.
Yea, though I swim through the steaming water of the pot of death, I will fear no evil; thy toothed spoon and thy colander they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table in the presence of the Breadeaters (heathens!): thou annointest my noodles with oil, my plate runneth over.
Surely parmesan and free ground pepper shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the Lord with a full belly forever.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday June 21 2021, @02:22PM
Our father, who art in Redmond,
Microsoft be thy name.
Thy kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
Throughout the Earth as it is in the US.
Give us this day,
our daily license activation key.
And forgive us our bug reports
As we forgive our system crashes.
And lead us not into competition
But deliver us from innovation.
For thine is the Control, and the Power and the Greed
Forever and ever and ever and ever.
Amen.
The people who rely on government handouts and refuse to work should be kicked out of congress.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Monday June 21 2021, @01:50AM
I at one point put together a bit of classical music silliness called the "Hail the Noodles" Chorus to that tune by G.F. Handel. It worked remarkably well.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @04:32PM (1 child)
This is what the signs carried by the.protestors said when some twit on the other side of the planet made a movie about "innocence". Yes, really. In Australia people stood in public with their children calling for people to be beheaded. According to their belief this is acceptable. They assaulted a police dog and got off for SJW reasons.
https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/fury-at-sydney-protests-20120915-25z0a.html [smh.com.au]
Yet Pastafarians won't be recognised due to being a "sham"? Did a man actually talk to an angel in a desert cave? Or was he talking to himself. After reading the book of The Greatest Deceiver (may he burn in a hell with his ilk) can anyone of sound mind recognise the complete and utter BS of the kafir haters as "religion"? Par for the course, but considering this ruling how about we group protestants, muslims and catholics together and just call them "christians" on the grounds that all are branches of the same tree. It makes about as much sense.
Well done, NZ for evenly applying the same rules for one as to the other.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @03:06AM
Easy with that trolling, you'll extenuate yourself.
FTFY
While others, says the same source
(Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Saturday June 19 2021, @04:47PM (2 children)
As compared to the imaginary sky fairy and child molesting crap that other churches are based around?
As if other religious texts aren't already full of ball gargling?
So, what is the SCATS position on Bronies? :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @05:02PM
I thought we agreed never to speak of that again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @05:19PM
Some crazy pages even talk about putting people to death for eating shellfish. Ridiculous!
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:10PM (15 children)
Make fun of Islam now. Oh, you won't because you are afraid you will be killed. So you make fun of benevolent Christianity knowing nothing will happen. Western society rests on a Christian foundation (yes, the Enlightenment too), and you don't even appreciate it. Keep destroying it and you will see what lack of that particular moral foundation leads to. You see it now.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @06:12PM
Ask what Mohammad thinks about pink-haired transvestites.
(Score: 2) by NateMich on Saturday June 19 2021, @07:34PM (2 children)
Islam isn't what we're familiar with the western world. I could try to make fun of Islam, but I don't actually know what they teach to be honest.
Exactly my point. Why would we bother with something from the other side of the world? Beyond terrorism, I don't know much about Islam.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @09:14PM
Don't worry. You will learn about Islam.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @11:46PM
Kudos to you for not knee-jerking to the prevailing anti-moslem propaganda. I have studied Islam rather extensively, and as with most other faiths, there is much to recommend it, and much to be leery of. In the epoch of its introduction, it was indeed a giant leap forward, but sadly it has been co-opted and tainted by agenda-driven factions almost since its inception. I still do recommend the Qur'an as good reading, but watch out for bias in the translation into English. Sale's translation is the earliest and one of the most accurate, but he was not a subscriber. Rodwell is a bit more poetic, but he also misunderstood various bits of it. Yusuf Ali's translation seems to be the one-to-beat for fairly representing the text, although I don't have much quarrel with Pickthall, Shakir, Malik, Dawood, Arberry, Haleem, Palmer or the Monotheist Group translations. Any of these will get you the gist of the text.
Regarding the original topic, I actually think it wise that we preserve Pastafarianism as a pure parody of established "religion", and not allow it to become merely an alternate dogma amongst all the others. There is no doubt that if it were ever given legal status, there would be no end of the lawsuits that would spring from its practice.
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Why don't we just tattoo "Vaccinated" on foreheads? Or maybe on hands?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday June 19 2021, @07:35PM (4 children)
Christianity is a roman jewish slave cult built on getting on your knees, celebrating submission to authority, and teaching egalitarianism and progressivism (the protestants). The reason we are in the social hellscape we are in now is due to the core values of christianity.
All hail Sol Invictus, The Undefeated Sun.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @09:08PM (1 child)
Ah, so you're full bore violent white supremacist, without even the small shred of morality that being christian would give you.
Truly we live in dangerous times when violent racists want to discard humanity's progress so they may wallow in their desire for violence.
You gross crafoo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @02:55PM
> Ah, so you're full bore violent white supremacist, without even the small shred of morality that being christian would give you.
Morality like these christian fascists?
Aryan Nations
Aryan Republican Army (ARA)
Assembly of Christian Soldiers
The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
Church of Israel[34][35]
Church of Jesus Christ Christian
Kingdom Identity Ministries
LaPorte Church of Christ
Mission To Israel
Patriots Council
Phineas Priesthood.
Posse Comitatus (organization)
The Shepherd's Chapel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @09:12PM
But, Sol Invictus had his bail revoked? https://www.dailydot.com/debug/augustus-sol-invictus-arrest/ [dailydot.com]
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday June 21 2021, @05:19PM
Christianity is recognizing that all have sinned, recognizing one's own sin, repenting, believing on Jesus and trusting his sacrifice for God's forgiveness, and trying to live worthy of the God's gift of love and grace.
I may not put it into words perfectly. Various factions of Christianity will have differing practices. But what I describe is the basic core common belief.
It is interesting how you perceive it so differently.
You could criticize some Christians by pointing out that Jesus paid his taxes an never tried to take over the government. (coins in the fish's mouth, my kingdom is not of this world) Some people won't do the former, and others do try to do the latter.
A criticism I would point at some Christians is that you cannot force anyone to genuinely believe. You can't change what is in people's hearts.
The people who rely on government handouts and refuse to work should be kicked out of congress.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Saturday June 19 2021, @08:15PM
Allahu angelhair?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @08:30PM (1 child)
This is the sort of stupid shit you believe when you think a religion is comprised of a small group of people wearing similar garb and have similar-sounding names and you only pay attention to when you can associate the word 'attack' with them.
Which isn't a big deal... until you try to apply it to over a billion people and suddenly nothing you're saying holds any water. I guess one upside to living with your parents in your forties is that you've been encouraged to use your imagination. 🙄
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 21 2021, @07:30PM
Like Christian Terrorists attack the US capitol?
As a Christian this was a sad day for me.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by stormreaver on Saturday June 19 2021, @09:15PM
You apparently have never actually read the Christian Bible. It is neither benevolent nor moral. It and Islam mirror each other with shocking frequency. The big difference is that enough people suffered under Christian rule that those who founded the U.S. intelligently tried to separate it from our ruling authority, while those who suffer under Islam in the Middle East have not had the benefit of a prior generation overthrowing that oppression in exchange for secular rule.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @11:18PM
> Western society rests on a
Christian foundationGreek, Roman, Pagan foundation which fell into 1000 years of decrepitude until some brave heros in MAGA hats armed up to save us from ourselves. Praise Trump!FTFY
(Score: 5, Interesting) by ChrisMaple on Sunday June 20 2021, @04:20AM
Western society rests on the increasing rejection of Christianity. The declining influence of Christian dogma correlates with the advancement of the human condition.
As far as morality goes, you need only look at the beliefs of people in prison in the U.S.. Atheists are very rare there.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @07:27PM
Just not incorporating as a non-profit charity.
So incorporate as a regular organization, and lobby that all religions have their non-profit status revoked.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Joe Desertrat on Saturday June 19 2021, @08:32PM (5 children)
They all boil down to the same few things. Work hard to mostly benefit others, obey laws that mostly benefit others, fight (even perhaps die) to advance your leaders. Even though you are miserable now you will be rewarded later. When exactly will you be rewarded? Well, after you die, but we promise the reward is really great!
(Score: 5, Informative) by MostCynical on Saturday June 19 2021, @10:37PM (1 child)
Shintoism, Zoroastrianism, Christianity, Islam -> judgement day, heaven/hell/death to non-believers* Ilevel of enforcement has waxed and waned - see Crusades, Doctrine of Discovery, (1493), etc)
Hinduism, Jainism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Kabbalah Judaism -> rebirth/reincarnation
Pastafarianism -> there are not enough pirates in the world, don't be a dick.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday June 20 2021, @10:01AM
I'd appeal. Heck, I'd contribute some hundreds to a crowdsourcing for an appeal.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 19 2021, @11:20PM
Meanwhile the likes of Jared Kushner, Don Trump Jr and Jacob Rees-Mogg rule the roost. Because that's how it is, duh.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @05:29AM
Perhaps you should visit some nice Amish family someday.
Again, visit the Amish sometime.
The reason so many people laugh when Christians stumble is because we are commanded to live in the world but not be of the world. Yeah, try doing that in today's world. Good luck!
(Score: 2) by darkfeline on Sunday June 20 2021, @06:59AM
Have you looked at the Satanic Temple?
Join the SDF Public Access UNIX System today!
(Score: 4, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Sunday June 20 2021, @12:44AM
Wait until Ms. McEvoy discovers her pasta will no longer boil! She will rue the day she incurred the wrath of the FSM.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @06:49AM
Shux...
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Sunday June 20 2021, @01:21PM (1 child)
As I recall, the FSM was created as satire meant to argue against breaching the separation between church and state. There were areas in the US where communities were trying to build religious monuments using public dollars, to enshrine religious lessons in public school curricula, and that sort of thing. The FSM meant to lampoon all that, and tried to get its symbols put in the pantheon next to the symbols of the dominant religion; others followed suit and it was in Florida, I think, where a Satanic temple forced a town to put a statue of Lucifer or some demon next to Christian icons.
But winning state recognition for FSM does not seem to be the proper goal, but rather to compel the state to recognize no religion is.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 20 2021, @11:03PM
While I can't speak to this particular lawsuit, in general some of the actions of "pastafarians" seem to be to compel recognition in the hope that it might lead to repeal or at least lessening benefits to religious organizations due to embarrassment or government realization that they can't get away with privileging one religion over something ridiculous like this.
You do this enough and it draws attention to the problem. Whereas a more straightforward argument ("Get the Bible out of X government institution/law/whatever!") is more likely to just be ignored and fall on deaf ears. The goal of Ghandi's non-violent approach to protest wasn't to get beaten up either (although that was often the outcome), but to draw attention to injustice by forcing government to take actions that seemed increasingly weird and unjustified to respond to the protest. While this is somewhat different, there's a related logic to it.