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posted by janrinok on Thursday July 01 2021, @04:31PM   Printer-friendly
from the at-last! dept.

U.S. lawmakers say it is time to boost privacy protections around cloud data:

WASHINGTON, June 30 (Reuters) - The United States needs to accord the same legal protections to user data held on tech companies' servers as it does to physical files stored in personal file cabinets, media attorneys and lawmakers said Wednesday.

The witnesses spoke at a hearing on whether the U.S. government overuses it secret subpoena power in a way that harms American internet users. The proceeding follows revelations that former President Donald Trump's U.S. Department of Justice secretly sought the phone records of reporters and Democratic representatives to investigate the leaks of classified material. read more

Word of the DOJ's investigations outraged lawmakers and prompted renewed talk of curbing the federal government's practice of secretly subpoenaing the cloud service providers - companies like Microsoft, Amazon.com Inc (AMZN.O), Apple Inc (AAPL.O) and Alphabet Inc's (GOOGL.O) Google - to win access to their users' emails, documents and instant messages without giving them a chance to defend their interests.

U.S. Representative Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat, said the tactic was "an end run on the protections that the Fourth Amendment is supposed to provide to every American."


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @04:57PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @04:57PM (#1151869)
    "Word of the DOJ's investigations outraged lawmakers."
    Even the most deeply idiotic "Lawmakers" have known for years there is no such thing as privacy for American internet users. The NSA scoops it all up, including httpS traffic and who knows what else. Also, the idea that those who were "outraged" wouldn't instead cheer were the partisan teams reversed is a SICK JOKE. Anyone in tech knows all of this. How anyone in Congress lives with themselves I'll never understand.
    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:26PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:26PM (#1151881)

      This happened way before Trump and is continuing after Trump under Biden. Why the focus on Trump? Oh yeah, partisanship. The spooks need to have their extra-Constitutional powers cut. The whole damn Federal Govt needs to be cut back by half.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Tork on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:34PM (10 children)

        by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:34PM (#1151890)
        Hi. You were in such a rush to defend Trump you missed this little gem in the summary:

        The proceeding follows revelations that former President Donald Trump's U.S. Department of Justice secretly sought the phone records of reporters and Democratic representatives to investigate the leaks of classified material.

        Now you do have a good point that both parties are really really guilty of this (yes that specifically includes Obama!), but you're undermining it by yet another false claim of TDS.

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        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:54PM (#1151906)

          It is the beauty of propaganda, blame your opponents of doing the bad things you yourself are doing, then if the worst case scenario happens and the truth comes out you can easily lie to your supporters and blame your opponents further. It is really stupid but really effective technique.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:03PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:03PM (#1151919)

          I did not defend Trump. Please re-read my post. I said under EVERY ADMINISTRATION the govt spies on whom they want. In Trump's case, they even spied ON HIM!

          • (Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:20PM (2 children)

            by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:20PM (#1151932)

            Why the focus on Trump? Oh yeah, partisanship.

            I did not defend Trump.

            Okie doke.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:48PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:48PM (#1152001)

              The Reuters article says this is motivated by actions under Trump's administration. I said the govt under ALL administrations does this, including the current one. I don't see that so much a Trump defense, so much as saying they ALL pull this shit. In your world, Trump stands out as the only guy to pull this? Hell, Obama should have been jailed for his pioneering use of govt agencies to punish his political opponents. The rot lies with the agencies themselves. They are the enemy of the American people. Why do we even have these secret, unaccountable, totalitarian agencies? Focus on the REAL PROBLEM here.

              • (Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday July 01 2021, @09:41PM

                by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @09:41PM (#1152024)

                In your world, Trump stands out as the only guy to pull this?

                Heh. Funnily enough I added specific verbage in my earlier post because I *knew* you were gonna pull this projectiony bullshit.

                "Now you do have a good point that both parties are really really guilty of this (yes that specifically includes Obama!)..."

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:05PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:05PM (#1151922)

          Hate the game. Don't hate the player

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:23PM (2 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:23PM (#1151953) Journal

          Anyone who says TDS is projecting their own derangement. Or embarrassment at being associated with the embarrassing or disgraceful things being criticized of our deer leader.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:02PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:02PM (#1151974)

            Unfair, the deer know better, which is why Republicans are always shooting them.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @09:41PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @09:41PM (#1152025)

            venison supremists!

    • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:56PM

      by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:56PM (#1151908)
      It's not a lie. Look at your quote again. Sure they knew about it, but I doubt any of them were "outraged" before it was their own who were targeted.
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:36PM (3 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:36PM (#1151892)

    "U.S. Lawmakers Say it is Time to Boost Privacy Protections Around Cloud Data"

    You know, if there were proper, enforced privacy laws passed, half of the "cloud" businesses would instantly lose their primary business model.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:48PM (#1151944)

      boo hoo

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:29PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:29PM (#1151956) Journal

      Congress critters wish list:

      Cloud data needs to be totally secure. Unbreakable. End-to-end encryption. Forward secrecy.

      But . . . it needs to be possible to secretly subpoena that data, including communications and end user identities, without the end user knowing. Yet that data should still be unbreakably private between the end users, without any third party being able to decrypt it or discover personal information.

      =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

      Due to the success of Mars Ingenuity helicopter, congress will mandate NASA to create a helicopter for the moon.

      Idea: set PI equal to 3 !

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    • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Thursday July 01 2021, @10:13PM

      by darkfeline (1030) on Thursday July 01 2021, @10:13PM (#1152042) Homepage

      I don't think AWS, Google Cloud et al get paid for each subpoena they receive.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @05:36PM (#1151893)

    if " physical files stored in personal file cabinets" are so good why don't we just keep using them?
    maybe because they're physical objects that can't be duplicated (no, you cannot make two identical physical documents. ex. paper fiber grain will be different etc. etc)
    we digitalize data so it is free and unrestraint from all the physical world shackles (ex. weight or physical dimensions).
    so waving magical wand to imbue digital data with physical attributes is ... as realistic as decision making in "games of throne".
    people managing people (your friendly neighbourh00d clubermint) wants all the benefits of digital data but with all the " security" of physical objects.
    this will be an interesting contortion act to watch ... once the "letters of the law" displayed on a judges computer monitor blur, become wavy and change into something new, promting a physical removel of reading glasses by the judge for a better squint.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:07PM (#1151923)

    Government determines it's time to boost privacy protection from government.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:11PM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:11PM (#1151926)

    Tucker calls for probe into NSA spying on him
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfB_QNtNgTQ [youtube.com]

    In the past Biden even said that he was against this sort of thing though now he seems to be allowing it.

    To Fox's credit at least they also point out that the republicans are not really any better when it comes to allowing this to continue. It should also be noted that it was Bush that passed the (un)patriot(ic) act (it was Obama that initially used it to spy on people). So this is really a bipartisan problem.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:15PM (#1151929)

      Also I should have probably linked to this as well.

      JUST IN: Jim Jordan Discusses Tucker Carlson's Claims NSA Spied On Him After Agency's Denial
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPCB_oaTBSI&t [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Tork on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:23PM

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:23PM (#1151933)

      In the past Biden even said that he was against this sort of thing though now he seems to be allowing it.

      Remember folks, media bias is bad until it isn't.

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    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:53PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @06:53PM (#1151945)

      Your saying that Biden is continuing this policy and your evidence is that Tucker Carlson said something?

      I think you will need a second source of data.

      "Fox persuasively argues, that given Mr. Carlson's reputation, any reasonable viewer 'arrive[s] with an appropriate amount of skepticism' about the statement he makes."
      https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/917747123/you-literally-cant-believe-the-facts-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye [npr.org]

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:31PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:31PM (#1151958)

        I get tired of democrats, of all people, calling others racist to deflect the discussion. U.S. Democrats, the epitome of racism (projecting their own racism onto others and now using racism as an excuse to pass racist laws/policies).

        Now, apparently, if you even have an allergy to MSG you're racist (and I know someone that is badly allergic to/intolerant of it, it quickly gives this person almost a debilitating headache that lasts maybe a day. I guess this person is also racist, right?).

        "MSG in Chinese food isn't unhealthy -- you're just racist, activists say"
        https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/18/asia/chinese-restaurant-syndrome-msg-intl-hnk-scli/index.html [cnn.com]

        Stop playing the race card every time you disagree with someone on something. It's old and it makes you a racist because you're the one making literally everything about race.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:33PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:33PM (#1151960)

          and, WRT anti-immigrant comments in your link, yes, wanting to control our borders from illegals is something most other countries do. There is nothing anti-immigrant about it, just because he may oppose illegal immigrants doesn't mean he is anti-immigrant.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:42PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:42PM (#1151968)

            err ... oppose illegal immigration *

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 02 2021, @02:36AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 02 2021, @02:36AM (#1152121)

          Where did the GP post call Tucker racist? They didn't, but your instant projecting clearly demonstrates the lack seriousness of that defense, now, in the past, and definitely in the future.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:48PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @07:48PM (#1151970)

        and, to be clear, the fact that democrats tend to resort to personal attacks every time someone says something they disagree with says something about their own character. Democrats pretty much always take the low road.

        Address the subject at hand. Stop constantly deflecting by resorting to personal attacks and making everything about race. It gets old.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:05PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:05PM (#1151977)

          That is cute, a repyblicunt mad about personal attacks and wanting to remain on topic. Have you not paid any attention to your senators? Rhetorical question, you're all lying scum with no actual values at this point. Time to #WalkAway #BackToReality

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:30PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:30PM (#1151992)

            The Republicans aren't perfect and neither is Fox or Tucker. I don't defend them generally. The point is that Democrats often deflect and resort to personal attacks and making everything about race instead of addressing the subject.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:46PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 01 2021, @08:46PM (#1151999)

              And the fact that Democrats make everything about race indicates to me that they are racist because it suggests to me that they keep projecting their own racism onto everyone else. Not everything is about race. Maybe some people think that MSG really is bad for them. That's their opinion and it doesn't make them racist.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 02 2021, @02:38AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 02 2021, @02:38AM (#1152122)

              Neither of which occurred here. That is until Tucker's defenders swooped in and did it themselves.

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