Tel Aviv will test dog poop DNA to fine owners who don’t clean up:
Tel Aviv has found an innovative way of dealing with dog owners who don’t clean up after their pets in the city streets — testing the excrement’s DNA and sending a fine to the owner by mail.
The city council on Monday approved a motion setting up a DNA database and stating that dog owners will be required to submit their pets’ genetic details to authorities upon receiving or renewing a license, Hebrew-language media reported.
The validity of current dog licenses will expire six months after the new ruling takes effect, and new licenses won’t be approved unless owners give over the DNA details, the reports said.
The regulations won’t apply to guide dogs or to dogs kept by animal protection organizations.
[...] There were 6,766 calls and inquiries made to the city hall hotline over dog poop left in public spaces in 2020, according to the Ynet news site.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @10:15AM (9 children)
I wish they would do that here. Also make the dog owner pay for the test, the cost of paying someone to come over and collect samples and submit the test, and the cost of paying someone to come over and clean up the mess.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @10:23AM (4 children)
>> Also make the dog owner pay for the test, the cost of paying someone to come over and collect samples and submit the test, and the cost of paying someone to come over and clean up the mess.
Good idea in theory, but who would pay when it turned out to be a homeless person?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @11:13AM (1 child)
who would pay when it turned out to be a homeless person?
the owner of the dog or the producer of the shit?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @12:39PM
OP may have mean "H1B", in which case the meaning would be clearer.
(Score: 2, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 16 2021, @11:24AM (1 child)
There is nothing to pay. People get the dog license, the cost of which covers the DNA registry. It is illegal there, like here, to have a dog without a license. The cost of the DNA test for the dog shit, and the cleanup of said shit, is covered by the fines of the offenders now, instead of the cleanup being funded by the taxpayer. The homeless person does not have a dog license, his dog is not in the DNA registry, and his dog would not be identified with this method.
Homeless people with dogs are not an issue in naziland though. I've been there about 30 times before they blocked my passport after being put in risk category 6 (most risk - spoken-out non-zionist jew), and I've never seen a homeless person, because there aren't any. There are under 2000 homeless people there. This is because arabs aren't people, and if there's ever a homeless jew, they just make a free home for the jew and a homeless arab, who doesn't count because he, again, is not a person.
It's funny they're cracking down on dog shit though, with all that human shit just walking around. Someone should take a flamethrower to that - which we're doing by giving free weapons to Isreal and selling weapons to the Saudis. Gonna be nice when that whole holy area is going to be just a holy hole in the ground.
(Score: 3, Funny) by driverless on Friday July 16 2021, @12:45PM
I tell yer what, that's gonna turn into a real shit show...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:56PM
Will dog owners be required to submit poop samples ( of the dog ) to populate the database? What about cats?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Friday July 16 2021, @07:31PM
Fines are poor motivators. Those with money see it as nothing more than a speed bump, while those that are poor often get trapped in a vicious cycle of debt collection. Local government agencies start seeing the fines as revenue and assuming that revenue will always be there. Which is not a good situation because it leads to government leaders saying that they need to keep the jails full in order to keep the revenue for each jailed person rolling into the county.
You want to stop that shit? Community service. You sentence people to have to spend their weekends either in jail, or performing cleanup work for the county. Make the person who forgot their dog's shit pick up all the shit that can be seen for 8 hours on the next 2 months worth of weekends. That includes all kinds of debris, like cigarette butts and litter. There is always some kind of grunt work that needs to be done, and they will be the ones doing it.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 2) by ledow on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:34PM
Great, so all I need to do to have you fined is somehow collect any of your dog's poop (e.g. out of a park dog-poop bin), spread it around town, call them in, and you'll have to pay all the costs?
This kind of stuff is nonsense because without catching them in the act, it legally means nothing.
And because of that, the opportunity for misuse is rife.
And because of that, even people who were responsible will just say "Well, anyone could have put that there, you can't prove it was me".
All you've really done is added in the costs of a dog-poop detection agency, plus legal bills galore, to the taxpayer.
It won't solve the problem at all.
Even simple things: What if your dog-walker lets it happen? Do you fine the owner without question? The dog-walker? Let them argue it in court? How would you prove who was walking the dog? And if you don't have to prove who was walking the dog, again, the opportunity for a pissed-off teenager who got sacked from dog-walking to just plant poop all over the town is rife.
It's a stupid idea.
Just put a fine on allowing your dog to do it, and fine anyone caught doing it. Like the rest of the world does.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:36PM
Also kill all the cats and fine the owners. Except, not "also", "instead.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @10:31AM (2 children)
Right, all the other problems of this world have been solved, only the dog poop tracking remained unaddressed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @11:03AM
lol, right? Simple solution, watch your step. Profitable solution, free manure!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:33PM
This is one case where bleach might actually be the correct answer.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Opportunist on Friday July 16 2021, @11:06AM (3 children)
Oh, I take DNA samples and analyze them.
So you're in criminal investigation?
Well... kinda.
(Score: 2, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 16 2021, @11:36AM (2 children)
Which is not the worst thing you can do. When the country was formed, they designated several hundred people to just study the word of god, to benefit the rest of the population with their understanding. They are provided with free housing, and paid a salary by the taxpayers. Problem is, while these psychos sat there debating the meaning of life and finding new ways to feel superior and entitled, they fucked. A lot. So now, they are like 15% of the population, still getting all their shit for free.
By law, those religious leeches have no say in politics or government, which was supposed to limit the size of the leech pool. Of course, the country is run by a bunch of corrupt assholes, so they are extremely into politics, and hence keep getting more and more taxpayer cash, while studying how superior they are to everyone.
So, Mr Haredi, what is it that you do for a living? He spends his life trying to steal more money, and gets a government salary for that. So imagine like a million Trumps in a country the size of NYC, but in office for 70 years. Speaking of, August is coming. While the supreme court is in recess, the orange god has promised they will hear his case to prove election fraud and reinstate him as president. But he needs your money to do that and set democracy back on track, so his donation page is open again. You must donate - the torah compels you.
dogshit everywhere. so much dogshit.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @02:06PM (1 child)
So the Haredi are the Jews' Jews?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 16 2021, @06:16PM
There's most jews - white, higher than euro-white IQ, higher average income, not religious, don't speak a dead language, are against Israel. Here's that jewish majority protesting against Israel in NYC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5HNYlaR8qc [youtube.com]
Bernie and Natalie Portman are a good example - in fact, those two jews have been declared by the Isreally government to be antisemitic, as funny as that sounds. Now here's an American jew in Isreal getting muzzled and dragged off by the cops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDUC4hjtHPw [youtube.com]
The Haredi are the Jews' Jews the same way ISIS are the Muslim's Muslims, the same way the uncle who gets drunk at thanksgiving and hits on his brother's 16yo daughter is your family, the same way democrat BLM rioters who block you from getting home and beat you up at a restaurant for not raising your fist and go on to rob stores are the blacks' niggers, the same way the small minority of republicans are the republicans' fat redneck nazis who pray away covid while dying on a ventilator. They're all a tiny but very loud minority, and an embarrassment to the group the claim to represent - a group that's more against them than even the general population. And the common thread there is they all play victim while being the aggressor, they're all dumber than a box of rap tapes, and strangely enough, they all try to fuck their 16yo niece.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @11:20AM (5 children)
I didn't know DNA tests could determine if the poop was left there by the dog/owner or planted by someone who wanted to get someone else in trouble. Technology is amazing!
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 16 2021, @11:42AM (4 children)
They cannot. And a speed camera or a red light camera cannot determine if you are driving the car. Neither can the parking wench giving an empty car the ticket.
The ticket is for the dog. An offense related to the dog is the responsibility of the dog owner. The dog owner is free to find out who planted the dogshit, and go after that person in court.
the point is, you chose to get the dog, there's shit from the dog on the sidewalk, and it's not the responsibility of the taxpayer to pay for cleaning it - and someone does have to pay for that either way. that's on the person who chose to get the dog, not on the guy with the house cat.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:06PM (2 children)
I am a guy with a house cat and I'm fine with my tax money being used to keep public areas clean and tidy (infinitely more so than, say, giving it to a billionaire).
Fining people who are /caught/ acting against this goal (littering, not cleaning up after their pets) is also fine.
Just not a big fan of systems and processes that can be weaponised.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday July 16 2021, @01:26PM
>Just not a big fan of systems and processes that can be weaponised.
You mean like virtually every aspect of the legal system? Social media? Fire?
Anything useful can be weaponized, and laws are weapons by their very nature.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by fakefuck39 on Friday July 16 2021, @09:05PM
literally your argument against this is that someone is going to steal your dogshit, and sprinkle it on the street. well, someone can take your garbage with your junk mail, and sprinkle it on the street. they can steal your license plate and put it on the same make and color car, and rob a store at night, then put it back. they can buy the same set of clothes you own and paint on an identifying tatoo while robbing that store.
those are completely separate issues, and completely separate crimes. yes, someone can frame you for a lot of things. in your mind that means don't enforce those crimes at all? Just like you can go to court for the speed camera ticket when your car gets stolen, you can go to court for the dogshit. The one crime has nothing to do with the other.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by epitaxial on Friday July 16 2021, @01:31PM
That is why speed cameras (at least in the USA) are civil fines and not criminal.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @12:35PM (2 children)
This doesn't smell right (pardon the pun) I didn't think poop had any DNA in it, other than the DNA of the food source.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:01PM
Celebrate the fact that some Jew has found a way to turn dogshit into gold and don't worry about the details.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday July 16 2021, @01:33PM
Of course it does - it's just passed through many meters of digestive track, which like every other part of the body is constantly shedding dead cells.
It's mostly the job of the stomach to break down food into something that can be absorbed by the intestines, cells shed by the intestines will never be dissolved in that acid bath so, like acid-resistant corn kernels, should pass through unimpeded. If fact, if a stomach is doing its job optimally, there shouldn't be much DNA from the food source left in the deposit (I have no idea how thorough a typical stomach actually is about that)
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Nuke on Friday July 16 2021, @01:25PM (1 child)
Oh wait, that could cause a few problems
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday July 16 2021, @04:45PM
That won't cause quite as many problems.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:31PM (6 children)
Who wants to bet the Israelis have a backlog of un-tested rape kits? Just like us. But sure, let's test the dog poop.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Friday July 16 2021, @01:36PM (5 children)
Rape kits don't pile up because of the lack of DNA testing capability, but because of a lack of interest in punishing rape.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @01:56PM
It's the famous broken window theory that cleverly took the credit for multi-decade decline in crime, before, during and after its introduction.
Otherwise known as window-dressing, or a bureaucratic fascist police state.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @07:22PM (1 child)
Oh jesus fucks sake, rape kits are not piling up.
In nearly all jurisdictions in western countries, when a woman calls the police and says she was raped it's now mandatory to use a rape kit on her. This is part of gathering evidence. If she doesn't feel safe going to police, she can go straight to the hospital where she should feel safe because 90% of the nurses and the majority of doctors are women. There are always women on staff qualified to perform that examination.
If there is a lack of interest in punishing rape it's because of the countless 'victims' who made dubious claims on social media of 'i was raped'. Strange how victims a terrible assault view precious internet victim-hood points and the precious 'oh you poor girl' comments as being more valuable than actual justice for the crime.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @10:39PM
The rape kits are used, the results are collected, and the cases are shelved. Rape is often too hard to prove when there are conflicting stories so it's not taken seriously enough by many police departments.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Friday July 16 2021, @11:55PM
Lack of interest in investigating, prosecuting, punishing ... gets more depressing and telling the further you go up the chain. Maybe they just need to hire the right kind of cop [youtu.be] motivated to solve cold cases, point him at the rape kit backlog, and say "have at it".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @05:38PM
What a load of cat shit.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 16 2021, @03:52PM
Ok, we have dna based doggie poop cleanup patrol.
How about poop based bad guy finding.
If you have a sample of his dna, can you look at a city's waste stream and see if he is there?
Pretty sure the bedroom is topped by the bathroom in expectation of privacy.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by ChrisMaple on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:42AM
No leash laws for cats, no licensing required. No owner responsibility for cleaning up their waste, no fines for killing wild birds. Looks like a conspiracy of James Bond villains to me.