Surgeon general warns misinformation an 'urgent threat' to public health:
The surgeon general on Thursday warned Americans about what he called the "urgent threat of health misinformation" amid the government's current push to boost stalling vaccination rates.
Dr. Vivek Murthy's advisory -- the first under the Biden administration -- addresses an epidemic of misinformation and disinformation, and its pernicious impact on public health -- specifically threatening the U.S. response to COVID-19. It frames misinformation as having hindered vaccination efforts, sown mistrust, caused people to reject public health measures, use unproven treatments, prolonged the pandemic and put lives at risk.
"Surgeon general advisories are reserved for urgent public health threats," Murthy said, highlighting his message in the White House briefing room Thursday. "And while those threats have often been related to what we eat, drink and smoke, today, we live in a world where misinformation poses an imminent and insidious threat to our nation's health."
He continued, "While it often appears innocuous on social media apps on retail sites or search engines -- the truth is that misinformation takes away our freedom to make informed decisions about our health and the health of our loved ones. Simply put, health misinformation has cost us lives."
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:05PM (42 children)
This goes back to the food pyramid, fat vs sugar, and lies about masks so they wouldn't run out for where they were needed most.
It's all your own fault America.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:03PM (18 children)
I was going to say much the same. There's nothing new about distrust of government released information - it has proven time and again to be more serving spoken and/or unspoken agendae than to be conveying accurate and non-misleading facts.
I don't doubt that more vaccination would slow the spread of COVID, nor do I doubt that COVID is dangerous, sometimes deadly, and driving high hospitalization rates. I do doubt that the whole story is being accurately conveyed.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:21PM (12 children)
In 'Murika you have freedom of speech, unless a high profile medical professional disagrees with you. Trust the science!!
Screw the surgeon general.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:38PM (2 children)
Something ... unique ... about the 2017-2020 administration was their lack of ability to tell a believable lie. Hearts on sleeves, right out there and just so transparent about so many lies and cover ups. They all lie, they all cover up - but doing it so poorly really did shake up the status quo.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:01AM (1 child)
Lack of ability or lack of need? When you're throwing a rhetorical fig leaf out for the faithful, you don't have to try very hard. A common manifestation in internet-land is the "rebuttal". Someone says X, but your tribe buddy says X is false. Hence, X is "rebutted" with the quality of the rebuttal being irrelevant. Its existence is enough to ignore X.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday July 18 2021, @01:53PM
That's sort of self fulfilling - wouldn't have gotten to where they did with their lack of ability to tell a believable lie if they needed to tell believable lies to get there.
We get the government we (as a collective) deserve.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:04PM (3 children)
In Runaway we do not trust.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:14AM (2 children)
^ That is what gets +4 on Bolshevik News.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:11AM (1 child)
Nah, the real die on the streets in poverty while rich sons of corrupt businessmen become President gets +5.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @11:42PM
Ok. With you so far.
Damnit. For the last time, leave Hunter Biden and his laptop out of this!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:19AM (4 children)
My ignorance and idiocy is as good as a highly professional opinion.
Why did you vaccinate?
(Score: 3, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:47AM (3 children)
You read my story? I was kidnapped against my will, and dragged to the mad scientist's lab. Several people thought my story funny, in case you missed it.
You wanted a more serious answer? You ain't getting it.
And, it's funny that you pick and choose which experts you want to believe. There are a small boatload of VERY professional opinions that the COVID escaped a lab in Wuhan - but everyone laughed at that idea for more than a year. Why do you choose to believe what you believe? Are you an opinion scientist or something?
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:15AM (1 child)
It's deeply problematic that the news media continues to lie about the origins of the virus. While it's not 100% certain that it came from a lab, the features of the virus itself would be extremely unlikely to just happen. And mysteriously, the people investigating the hypothesis have a massive dog in the fight to not find anything at all so that the gravy train continues.
It's really a sad state of affairs that it's legitimately impossible to know which "experts" are spreading legitimate information and which ones are lying. Faucci, shouldn't be trusted, as he's admitted to lying multiple times about rather important pieces of information. Because he lied about the masks and the number of vaccinations needed to hit herd immunity, it's really hard to believe much of anything that he's saying.
Part of being believed is telling the truth now and part of being believed is having generally told the truth in the past. If both aren't true, then it's a legitimate coin flip as to whether or not to believe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @01:40AM
How is this trollish?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:20AM
So you get a +1 for the Wuhan leak guess. Fucks sake, can you not see that you predict so many stupid things nobody can take you seriously? The kook news has zero predictive power.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @01:42AM (4 children)
So how come I get 0 flamebait, and you and everyone agreeing with me get 3 insightful? how does that even work?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @01:55AM (2 children)
Who are you, anyway AC? Are you me?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:23AM
He's not me. I'd be madder than that if any of my posts were partially misunderstood on teh intranets.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:13AM
No. I am VERIFIED on twitter. DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? I HAVE A BLUE CHECKMARK and you do not. THAT MAKES ME BETTER THAN YOU!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:48AM
Just pull your pants up, and man up.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:35PM (4 children)
The problem runs even deeper than that. You have an education system that teaches rote learning and "believe me for I am your teacher" rather than critical thinking and the ability to fact check. If you have a population that is simply so woefully uninformed that they cannot even verify any kind of information they get, no matter how harebrained, all they can do is believe something. Which is pretty much what you wanted. At least as long as you, and only you, get to control the information.
In comes the internet and now people can actually see how you lied to them. They see, quite blatantly, that you lied to them. So they don't believe you anymore. But what should they do now that they know that you lied to them but they have no way of what is true?
All they can do is turn around and blindly believe someone else. And this is basically what they do.
(Score: 1) by amamandaa on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:37AM (2 children)
We have to choose sides? Fox, or CNN, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:15AM
Why not both, when the choice is to nuke them from orbit
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:14PM
Could we put them behind each other to save on bullets?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:50AM
> In comes the internet and now people can actually see
how you lied to themany old crap that feeds into their bigotry for a few clicks worth of ad revenueFTFY
(Score: 5, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:50AM (17 children)
Here's the thing with the masks though. Yes, they lied. To the dumbest most gullible most selfish part of the population. To any normal person, you have air that needs to be filtered, an N95 is going to do a better job than a surgical mask. To a normal person, if there aren't enough N95 for a doctor who takes care of a hundred patients a day, maybe you should save the N95 for the doctor, and stay home instead of going to a clown rally, so you don't need the N95.
I had a bunch left over from doing drywall, and I let them sit for a week in a ziplock before reusing them. The same 3 masks lasted me almost year, until I got the vaccine in february. I don't need the government to realize an N95 filters more shit than a napkin. The people who do need someone to tell them that however, are the ones who emptied out shelves of toilet paper. They're going to buy a thousand masks, sell them at a hundred bucks a piece on amazon (this is illegal btw), and throw them away after every use. Then the doctors will get sick and die, and the hospitals will close.
So yes, they lied. A lie that's only not obvious to the people it's designed for. But those subhuman rednecks - they're actively attacking the population. They are the enemy. So, much like the police are allowed to lie to a criminal, because the criminal is the enemy, much like we're allowed to lie to someone we're at war with, yes, no issue with lying to your enemy. And those people who screamed "kill congress, kill the vp, kill fauci" - well it's not fauci's job to take care of them. it's the job of fauci to protect the general population from them hoarding masks for profit, while the doctors get sick and die.
When you punch someone in the face, them beating the shit out of you is not them fighting. It's them defending. And look what we got now - rednecks dying by the hundreds because they're too dumb to take care of themselves. That's just evolution. Which they don't believe in.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:23AM (1 child)
Damn'd if you do, damn'd if you don't. This does say something about the 'murican cultcha.
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:51AM
I was on a plane from Jordan - long flight, I'm a white jew.
for a while, this woman was watching a movie and her kids were playing on an ipad w/ the volume turned up. The husband was sitting in a different row sleeping. Then the lights came off and it was time to sleep. She put on another movie, the ipad battery looks like it died and she couldn't get it to charge from the seat's usb chord. The kids started running around the plane giggling. They were playing the game of "let's find someone sleeping, run up to them, scream in their ear, then run away giggling."
After the second time of being woken up this way, I asked the woman to please control her children, as they were running around screaming at sleeping people. Must have been a good movie she was watching, she ignored me. I called the Jordanian airlines Jordanian flight attendant. He told me "whatcha gonna do, kids are kids."
I then took out a bunch of calcium pills and put them on my tray, and pretended to be asleep. Within 5 minutes the kids took them from my tray. I opened my eyes and said loudly "eat it, it's good candy." Then the wife noticed her kids with a bunch of pills, and yells at me angrily - "what are these pills." I say I dunno, I had a bunch of different pills on my tray, not sure which ones your children stole. She then calls the flight attendant and lies that I have her kids drugs. He observed what happened, so just takes the pills and gives them back to me. Now the movie is off. She put on a cartoon for the little boy, and is holding the little girl rocking her to sleep.
Now I can sleep too, but I'm an asshole to subhuman garbage, so I say "Now you know how to be a parent, you're welcome."
The husband jumps from two rows ahead of me, and starts trying to choke me. I slowly stand up - skinny dude with a gut, I bench 400lb - he's not doing much..
..skip ahead to landing. The cops are at the door, the monkey family, a bunch of "witnesses" in her extended family, and me at O'hare. We each report the story to the cops. I get searched, my bags get searched, my pills go through a cute tiny drug-sniffing poodle. The sandniggers are untouched, because religious freedumb, and the police sergeant at O'hare is.. wait for it... american-born Jordanian. You see, they got specifically him so they have someone who speaks their language.
The sandiggers all tell the same story - the kids weren't bothering anyone, I wasn't sleeping, I handed them dangerous drugs and the mother saved the day, for which I tried to pull off her clothes (I was like 3 rows back and never left my seat). It is when I physically attacked her, that the husband ran over to her seat to protect her. There's like 10 sandnigger witnesses telling this story.
The cop comes over, tells me they got me on video from the plane, and I'm going to jail right now unless I tell the truth and admit I'm guilty. It takes a real towelhead to think this techninque could get results, but the sergeant is a towelhead. The rest of the cops are just looking embarrassed at this point, the young black one apologizes quietly to me.
I call the sergeant a liar, tell him he hasn't watched a tape, and to go watch it. He comes back in half an hour, tells me I'm lucky he's letting me go "this time." You see, he tells me, if you put calcium pills on your tray, it is your responsibility to make sure children don't steal them. Maybe the children are allergic to calcium, and I could have killed them by not stopping them from stealing my calcium. dumb dum dum dum duuuuuuumb.
At this point, he let the sandnigger family and the sandnigger witnesses go. He did not take down their passport information, he did not write down their names. "But I sat there, while a guy ran up to my seat and choked my neck with his hands - this is not ok to do, especially on a plane."
He then tells me there will be an FAA investigation (FAA?), and I will likely be fined, and what they decide for the terrorist sandnigger family he doesn't know. Of course, this sounds funny, since they never ever wrote down their names. Because the sergeant is a racist sandnigger. Sandnigger.
The moral of the story is, the police here are allowed to lie, and this is good. When you have 10 witnesses saying one thing, and one guy saying something else, you can get the guy to confess if you tell him he's on video. Of course, if you are a sandnigger (which does not mean arab, just like nigger does not mean black), you have no interest in what actually happened or doing your job.
Your racist goal is to damage the jew, and aid the terrorist family.
There's nothing wrong with lying to a potential criminal. If he's not a criminal, he tell you you're a liar. There's nothing wrong with lying to the rednecks about masks. It is Not the job of Fauci or the CDC to protect "everyone." If there is a group there trying to make money on the pandemic by hoarding, with people dying as a result, it is his job to protect the population from that small group. And that group isn't republicans. It's like 50000 really stupid rednecks, in a country of 330 million - that's it.
The "damned if you do" does not apply here. 1% of the population who are crazy qanon jew space laser people are indeed damning Fauci and the CDC. No one cares who they're damning. They are the american vesrion of ISIS. This is the problem here - online you see 100 comments on the "damn Fauci" side, and 100 on the "nothing wrong here" side. What you don't see, is the 100 redneck comments are made by 2 people, vs 100 people responding on the rational side. You even see the same on this little site. There's like 50 AC posts per week of "the jews the jews, go hitler," but it's one guy - ethanol fueled, pretending to be like 10 people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:20AM (7 children)
I don't agree with that at all. The lie was rather relevant, as people could have made other forms of masks that weren't likely to be in short supply. There were legitimate reasons to question the efficacy of DIY masks due to the fact that they don't provide a tight seal and the material itself isn't guaranteed to stop anything from passing through.
For me personally, it was a moot point as I got infected the same week that it was identified in the area. The mask versus no mask debate hadn't really even started at that point, and there wasn't even testing available. But, given the breathing trouble, the loss of smell and the extreme level of fatigue, it's a fairly good bet that I got it.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 18 2021, @09:55AM (6 children)
1. People did make their own masks, and surgical masks were not in short supply and readily available for 2 day delivery on amazon. I know, I ordered a box in March when the pandemic started. There was no question about how well self-made masks, that people were making despite your claim, worked. You do not need a tight seal for a mask to work. You need it to catch most of the liquid that comes out of your mouth and nose when you sneeze. Even coughing into a fist catches most of it. No, it does not catch all of it, but reducing your viral output by 90% means reducing the number you infect exponentially. You are confusing n95, meant to protect you, with surgical masks, meant to protect others from you in case you're infected.
Anyone with a sense of brain (clearly not you, because of your "tight seal" comment) realized masks catch shit when you sneeze. In asian cultures, people have been wearing them for decades when they have a cold or a flu - to not infect others. If you announce you need masks, all masks are going to be gone in a week, and instead of a doctor in a mask, you have a dead doctor, and a redneck piece of shit hoarding a thousand masks, selling them for ten bucks a piece. Just like they did with hand sanitizer, alcohol, and toilet paper.
You know why I could get my small box of surgical masks? Because Fauci lied to the enemy of the people. Again - the surgical masks are to protect everyone from You. It works for every virus that comes out of Your mouth. They do not protect you - only an n95 does that.
>The mask versus no mask debate
you're confused again. there is no debate. just like there's no debate about evolution, just like there's no debate about climate change. there's idiots saying stupid shit, and everyone else laughing at them.
I never got it, my wife never got it. I wore an n95 and went to public places like grocery stores, she wore a surgical mask and a cloth mask. I sprayed all the grocery bags and our clothes and hair with alcohol when we got home, she took a full shower. Then we said fuck it as I got laid off, and decided to take a long vacation in Europe where it was 10x safer. We only came back once the vaccine came out, and I got a gig at the hospital so we could get it immediately.
The redneck enemy didn't wear masks, and still believes the pandemic is a hoax. All they would do is hoard them to resell them, killing everyone else. While you "may not agree" - who cares. Fauci did his job, which is not to let illegal hoarders create a black market, and to leave masks for hospitals and people who have common sense. But mainly, you're making a point by making shit up. He was correct - surgical masks and home made masks do not protect You. That's not a lie - that's a fact. Me wearing one protects You. And I, and my wife, wear them when we have any kind of sickness, nothing to do w/ covid.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @02:20PM (1 child)
I live on the west coast snd there weren't significant numbers of people making our wearing masks until the guidance changed.
You're definitely living up to your name here because you do need a decent seal and that's how masks are typically worn. No need to made excuses or rewrite history. Just admit that the lies cost lives. Aerosal particles are rather small and can easily get around and through things that larger particles wouldn't.
This was hardly just rednecks not wearing the masks, even well educated liberals weren't wearing them because they lied about the science.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:03AM
>you do need a decent seal and that's how masks are typically worn
that's not how surgical masks are typically worn because they're not designed to have a seal. they're designed to catch liquid spraying forward
>No need to made excuses or rewrite history. Just admit that the lies cost lives.
me: it saved lives by preventing people from hoarding
you: just admit that it cost lives.
you are mentally retarded.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:13PM (2 children)
You were/are most definitely the asshole. While your plane load of "sandniggers" (an asshole term, BTW) were in the wrong, you seem to believe that two wrongs make a right. You want to deny your so-called enemy-of-the-people rednecks the opportunity to order masks, so that you can get yours from Amazon without any problem. I've got news for you, the "rednecks" weren't the ones profiteering on masks and hand sanitizer in 2020. In fact, the biggest offenders of hand sanitizer hoarding, Matt and Noah Colvin, are part of your tribe. The mask man hoarder, Richard Schirripa of NYC, a licensed pharmacist and used car salesman, doesn't look so redneck either. Perhaps you meant Milton Ayimadu who hoarded 200,000 masks in Georgia but then again Ayimadu doesn't sound like he hails from the Ozarks either. You are the epitome of assholedom spreading your own brand of racism and hate as long as you think it benefits you personally.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:33PM (1 child)
As the guy described himself, he'd be a "sandnigger" himself were it not for his US passport and membership in the tribe that controls the media and large patches of the US government.
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 18 2021, @11:09PM
and yet here we are. i'm russian, as in family is from moscow as far back as is traceable, whiter than you color-wise (no sunburn), smarter than you (jews have higher iq), more money than you, and superior, genetically, in every way, to you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:21PM
That's a whole lot of words to say "I'm stupid".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:17PM (1 child)
i always find it amazing that you can still smell stuff with a mask on.
ofc "smelling things" isn't really a physical molecule interacting with the inside of your nose but rather a correctly twirred mini air vortice or mini tornado that floats thru the tiny mask mesh to interact correctly with your nasal hairs or whatnot.
so, if you smell shit, it's not really a tiny particle of real shit that got airborne, got past your mask and into your nose.... riiight?
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:06AM
and if you cought up a loogie and 99% of the spray gets caught by a piece of cloth in front of your mouth, you've just reduced your viral output by 99%.
let me guess, locks are useless because they're not going to stop the 1% of people with skills to pick them.
you know those shit particles you're smelling? smells bad. what would be worse is having 100x the amount of shit particles. If I throw a turd at your mask, you're going to smell it. but you won't have shit on your face like you do now. you don't need to catch every particle.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Sunday July 18 2021, @07:21PM (1 child)
> who emptied out shelves of toilet paper.
Just as an aside, it turns out the shelves were emptied because everyone bought one more than usual and the supply chain couldn't hack it. It was a failure of the infrastructure to deal with changing events.
https://marker.medium.com/what-everyones-getting-wrong-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-c812e1358fe0 [medium.com]
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:08AM
lol they didn't buy one more than usual. there were people with cartfulls of sanitizer, masks, and tp. after a couple of months most even tried to return what they couldn't sell.
>It was a failure of the infrastructure
umm, no. it was people loading up carts till there was nothing to load. an act that would have the same result if there was 2x or 3x the stock.
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Tuesday July 20 2021, @03:57AM (1 child)
Fauci should be in prison. He controlled a program which performed experiments on children in foster care without informed consent.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 20 2021, @07:11AM
let's not forget that he raped you dad while you watched, which is why you turned out to be such a dumb faggot. say more things now please. you're very entertaining. like a kid w/ a full diaper screaming someone farted.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday July 20 2021, @04:13AM
The clowns had it covered for 2020 [rollingstone.com], but it's back on for 2021. I guess this year will prove out their strategy one way or the other.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by looorg on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:11PM (44 children)
The people that wants the vaccine have mostly taken it already, trying to convince the rest is a gigantic uphill battle. There might be some easy low-hanging fruit that can be convinced, but the cost or effort will be high, but for the others is just a lost cause or losing battle. There might be a small group still holding out for proper testing and certifications. The other group of notable size is kids and teens and most of them will get around to it eventually, when their time or turn comes. But in general the more various authority figures that tell them they need or should or try to force them the less they'll be inclined to. They can't or won't be convinced. So unless they are going to inoculated them by force it won't happen. Punishing them or freezing them out won't have the desired effect or outcome either.
(Score: 2, Troll) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:06PM (17 children)
I saw my Governor on live TV get a shot in the arm (that was supposed to be a COVID vaccine), and he said he felt fine for a whole 15 minutes afterwards - what more testing do people expect??!?!?! /s
I also have extreme skepticism when politicians (orange topped or not) tell me that the BEST science has PROVEN the vaccine is SAFE, HIGHLY EFFECTIVE and that side effects are VANISHINGLY RARE.
The truth about such things has a habit of showing up in TV ads for class action lawsuits decades later.
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:29AM
See, that's the problem. They should have streamed in on Twitch if they wanted it to have any impact.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:57PM (15 children)
The best science has proven that a man who puts on a dress and declares it magically becomes a woman. Science has proven that solving math problems for a correct answer is racist. Are people really surprised when science is no longer taken as gospel?
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 18 2021, @11:16PM (14 children)
english isn't a science. it's a language. and the hipsters changed the language. woman just means hiw you behave now. it used to mean 'human female' just like vixen means 'fox female.' now the word means something else - a person who behaves feminine. no scientist is claiming an xx is male, or an xy is female. that's a strawman fox news made up for you to be angry at.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday July 19 2021, @01:35AM (8 children)
What I think is fun is watching the conservatards get bent over the existence of intersex in their world. News flash: only about 99% of people fit the "XX is female with a vagina, XY is male with a penis" mold. So, when your local high school with a population of 2000 students makes policy, there are about 20 kids there who don't fit either mold - and probably 18 of them are totally in the closet about it because neither their parents, nor their doctors are ready to deal with the issues.
So, unless you want to kill them all, you might want to face up to the fact that 3.5 million U.S. citizens don't match your binary vision of male and female.
https://isna.org/faq/frequency/ [isna.org]
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(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @12:31PM (7 children)
this is a strawman. no one is claiming the xxy fits female or male or the binary sexes. the entire debate is about xx and xy being binary, which it is. the libs are saying woman means behavior, not the female sex. the rednecks pretend the libs are saying 'xx can be a male,' which they're not. in reality, the debate is simply about redefining what woman means, not what 'female' means. and neither side is discussing what you're talking about, which does not fall into those 2 categories.
and this is only happening in english-speaking countries, because we don't know what gender means. gender us for words and grammar. it has nothing to do with sex. english has no gender. french and russian have genders. Table is feminine in french a'd masculine in russian. a table has no sex, the gender is for grammar, not the object. vagina in french is masculine.
then these hipsters who don't know what gender means, push their misunderstanding onto other countries, who laugh at them in latinx-american. because the grammar is 'sexist.' grammar, like gender, has nothing to do with sex.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday July 19 2021, @01:18PM (1 child)
Every transexual outrage post I've ever read comes off clearly in denial of the existence of the 1%. The most rational ragers I know will say something along the lines of "oh, that's some rare thing you never see" while others will flat out tell you that's a bunch of made up bullshit. Start counting the people you see on a daily basis, tell me when you get to 100, by that point you've likely seen one intersex person already, maybe more.
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(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @02:07PM
>Every transexual outrage post I've ever read comes off clearly in denial of the existence of the 1%
link two.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @03:35PM (3 children)
We are all well aware that other Indo-European languages have grammatical gender. As you mentioned in a prior comment, language evolves, and since that construct no longer exists in English, trying to shoehorn it back in is foolish. Gender in biological terms does exist in English and up until the last decade was universally understood among English speakers to be tightly bound to biological sex.
However, this is all academic and totally irrelevant when deciding on the validity of a biological man presenting himself as a biological woman and vice versa. For example, I offer you one of the trans world's favorite memes: "men can have periods too." You will notice the word "male" does not appear in that slogan. Transgender proponents use gender and sex interchangeably when it supports their strategy but make clear those distinctions when they believe that will support it too. Try to troll harder next time.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @04:31PM (2 children)
you are aware, but you don't know or understand what gender is because you didn't learn them from birth, like I did, and you took 2 years of spanish in highschool, getting a C.
>language evolves
it does. a bunch of bored sjw hipsters redefining the meaning of a word for political reasons is as much evolution as calling a guy with boobs and inverted dickhole a woman, is not evolving. I never called it evolution. it is what it is.\
>understood among English speakers to be tightly bound to biological sex.
woman meaning "human female" was bound to biological sex. it was then decoupled from sex, and redefined as "acting/thinking feminine." some people disagree with redefining an english word to be politically correct.
>biological man presenting himself as a biological woman
and there is no such thing as a biological man and woman. there is only a biological male or female.
>men can have periods too
and no one, including the rednecks is disputing that. it just does not mean "males can have periods too."
>Transgender proponents use gender and sex interchangeably when it supports their strategy
and that's something you simply made up because it lets you be angry. no one does that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:44PM (1 child)
I think I'm done here. Insults and ad hominem seem to be your only argument.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @04:46PM
if you can't read you can't read. can't help ya, i'm not a jr high teacher.
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Tuesday July 20 2021, @04:14AM
He she it, him her it, himself herself itself. his hers its.
FWIW, watercraft are by convention considered female.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @03:07PM (4 children)
You should be honest with your arguments. These people believe that they are biological - not behavioral - swaps and demand you accept them as such.
It also isn't the language hipsters that are the problem. The credentialed social science loons and psychologists that claim that individuals like our US assistant secretary for health Rachel Levine are women instead of mentally ill are the problem. These scientists are as delusional as the bearded lunatic who wagged his junk around in the women's steamroom in the San Francisco spa while claiming he was female. I was recently sent a YouTube link of a middle aged man in a dress trying to make the case that he was a six year old girl. That reveals the depth of mental illness these scientists have pushed into the mainstream.
Actual Scientists do not enable and encourage the mentally ill to indulge in their delusions or try to explain away clear and obvious observation with specious reasoning. This type of science is indistinguishable from dogmatic religion. The transgendered are no less mentally ill than a man who is convinced he is Napolean or Jesus but we are supposed to just not notice it because of political expediency.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @03:38PM (2 children)
>These people believe that they are biological - not behavioral - swaps
yes yes, that's why they keep screaming about the difference in gender and sex
>You should be honest with your arguments
what, because they're not the same ones you pulled out of your ass?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @04:37PM (1 child)
See above: Transgender proponents use gender and sex interchangeably when it supports their strategy but make clear those distinctions when they believe that will support it too.
The transgendered are no less mentally ill than a man who is convinced he is Napoleon or Jesus... How are these psychiatric delusions not of equivalent nature? And why should anyone feel constrained to entertain any of them?
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 19 2021, @04:48PM
>See above:
you sure you didn't mean
SEE SUBJECT====>>APK GET MY AUTISM HOSTS FILE
I see you're using italics. why don't you use bold, italics, some all caps, maybe an underline, then reply twice to the same post. mentally ill indeed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @03:44PM
Not all of them. While Richard Levine is probably mentally ill, many of the younger generation have entered and graduated college without an understanding or acceptance of what it means to be a male.
I know students who find they are "accepted" / treated nicer if they claim they are female, and there is no pushback or honest support from peers or role models because everyone is afraid of being shouted down on Twitter and being blacklisted in their careers if they say the emperor is not wearing anything. Funny that those people seek (and get!) biological women as their girlfriends. I see far fewer cis-males with girlfriends.
And it's not like graduation and entering a job in the real world is forcing them to "grow up". I have a good friend, definitely not mentally ill, who chose to "transition" for the imagined social benefits.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by turgid on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:12PM (21 children)
The problem is, the rest of us suffer because of their stupidity. If sufficient numbers of them fail to get vaccinated, this lets the virus survive and thrive, and gives it many more opportunities to mutate. Vaccination doesn't offer 100% protection, it doesn't offer permanent protection, and indeed some people can't benefit from vaccination at all (compromised immune systems) and will always be vulnerable. The end result is more sickness, more suffering, more expense and more death. New vaccines will have to be continuously developed and administered.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:23PM (8 children)
Sorry to hear that you've caught the COVID from some antivaxxer. It's been good knowing you. Too bad, too sad.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:36PM (7 children)
I caught it before the vaccines came out.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:39PM (6 children)
Good to know that the vaccines are out of the closet. So, they're making you gay? It's all part of Bill Gates depopulation program!!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:49PM (2 children)
On the plus side, sex with dudes!
(Score: 2, Informative) by amamandaa on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:39AM (1 child)
Just so you know, sex with dudes is nothing new.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:52AM
It is if the COVID vaxx just turned you gay! It's all fresh meat out there now.
(Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:00PM (2 children)
Quite high an approval rating for Bill Gates depopulation program among anti-vaxxers, they are mostly the first to eliminate themselves from this world.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:26AM (1 child)
>>> Quite high an approval rating for Bill Gates depopulation program among anti-vaxxers, they are mostly the first to eliminate themselves from this world.
Better progress than Bill Gates depopulation program among trannies, that's supposed to be only 41% effective
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:46AM
Result: more trannies than flyover country inbred hillbillies. What's not to like?
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:47PM (3 children)
The virus will already survive in some of the vaccinated, because the shot doesn't always kill the virus. Therefore some of the vaccinated will become incubators for further variants. This was predicted long ago but was silenced (don't question the science, right??), and is likely why we're seeing more variants since the vaccinations rolled out. This is why REAL science needs debate, not force-feeding of one "truth".
(Score: 3, Informative) by turgid on Sunday July 18 2021, @02:11PM (2 children)
Correct.
Correct.
This is common knowledge and was never silenced.
Wrong. Vaccines haven't been rolled out fast enough to stop more variants emerging. The more people who are vaccinated, the slower the virus will spread and the slower new variants will emerge.
No, this just shows that you are ignorant and stupid, that you don't understand vaccination and that you perhaps have an Alt-Wrong [wikipedia.org] political agenda. You could easily have found out the truth yourself by reading and applying critical-thinking skills.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:36PM (1 child)
I would rather eat breakfast than locate the citation, but there's been work done on whether the vaccines encourage variants by creating evolutionary pressure, or prevent them by depriving the virus of habitat.
The conclusion was we get fewer variants with vaccines than without.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:36PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marek's_disease#Prevention [wikipedia.org]
Please do find that "work done" you mention. It'll be quite interesting to read how they handwave away this unfortunate counterexample.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:50PM
The "lockdown late, reopen early" handling of COVID in the US (particularly Florida) seems to intentionally be keeping it spreading through the population, creating variants, and killing off old people who are generally either a load on the social security system, or sitting on their own personal dragon's hoard of wealth that will be redistributed on their passing. Too bad, so sad, about the millions of people living with the after-effects, they'll make good paying customers of the medical industrial complex.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0, Troll) by legont on Sunday July 18 2021, @03:35AM
Part of the problem is that there are no approved vaccines available in the US. "Emergency approved" does not mean approved. That's what is written in the paper I've got with my vaccine. See, the government does not want to take the responsibility for vaccination and tries to move it to the people - take it on your own risk. The people get the message; as usual.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:50AM (5 children)
The existing vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of virus.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-1000-covid-cases-recorded-friday-in-nearly-4-month-high/ [timesofisrael.com]
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51768274 [bbc.com]
Can you please stop lying?
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday July 18 2021, @02:03PM (1 child)
Can you please stop being disingenuous?
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:42PM
Is it the best "counter" you could invent? So sad. You guys are your own worst enemies, with your well-rounded utter ineptitude.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @02:24PM (1 child)
And they're not really supposed to, you need much, much higher rates of vaccinations to see that. Vaccines are supposed to reduce the harm if you do get infected and slow the rate of transmission to the point where there's nobody to spread it to. And that is happening already, virtually all the deaths are coming from people that didn't get their shots.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:50PM
Even if true, in what way is it any relevant to: The existing vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of virus. ?
It was spread, not mortality, that GP poster was weeping his crocodile tears about.
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Tuesday July 20 2021, @04:30AM
It is you who is lying. The first citation states that the vaccine alone does not stop the spread of the virus. If you'd bother to think, you'd see that the implication is that the vaccine helps.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:08PM
I doubt people are holding out for testing. I mean, half the US population has gotten it and there haven't been any major untoward effects [theguardian.com]. And as for encouragement, I think it's just a matter of the right incentives [zdnet.com].
(Score: 5, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:24AM (2 children)
>There might be a small group still holding out for proper testing and certifications.
A double-blind placebo controlled trial with over 30,000 participants and safety followup for as long as any side effects were even plausible and signoff by outside experts strikes me as "proper". That's for the vaccine I got, Moderna. Pfizer had a similar trial and acceptance testing.
Following the outcomes of a more than a hundred million vaccinations closely enough to detect N per million blood clotting adds to my confidence.
At this point, no matter what data come in, the anti-vax people will move the goalposts.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday July 19 2021, @01:42AM (1 child)
Do you have a hard number on how long that was? Asking for a friend/neighbor whose father got the vaccine in March and died suddenly in July.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 19 2021, @03:38AM
Sounds like you need cancelled for spreading "misinformation" and vaxx hesitancy.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Entropy on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:12PM (43 children)
Government lies to people (about masks) for their own reasons, then is somehow surprised people don't trust the government about another topic? Here's a newflash: We know you lie. We don't trust you. We shouldn't trust you. It's nice to say well I'm not lying about (insert important topic here) but the simple truth is we can't trust you. Sorry about your luck.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:18PM (1 child)
Problem is that only we can fix it. Oversight is up to us, there is no other way
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:53PM
Bb..but oversight means regulations and regulations are bad! Tear it all down, arm up, let's get this show on the road ;)
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:26PM (26 children)
So when the next major pandemic hits (and I'm not talking 0.5% mortality-rate pandemic, I'm talking 30+% smallpox,ebola-style mortality-rate pandemic), You'll refuse to take the vaccine simply because the governement tells you to take it ?
Need I remind you that those governements that lie, cheat, manipulate, deceive, are there because you put them there ?
Never trusting the governement is every bit as stupid as always trusting it, and says as much about your own intellectual failings.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:06PM (10 children)
People should take vaccines because they see a reasonable risk:reward ratio in it.
COVID kills far less than 0.5% of young healthy individuals. You're looking at a mortality rate in the ballpark of 0.0001% with that decimal place squeezing ever further away. Taking experimental vaccines that are showing sharply increasing rates of severe side effects, which you cannot even sue the companies if you do suffer said effects, to try to secure yourself against a disease which (1) you probably will not catch and (2) will most likely have negligible effects if you do, is a calculus that many people do not see as wise.
By contrast if there was a disease with a 30% mortality rate independent of age (as is the case for smallpox) then very few people would say no. And it has nothing to do with what some lying politician or money hungry sociopath at the head of a big pharma biz says.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:24PM (5 children)
exactly. and the dumb fucking slave above knows it too. if the would be masters want people to take the vaccine all they have to do is do their fucking jobs and make things trust-able. manufacturing QC, supply chain audit-able QC, legal accountability, etc. many more people will choose to take the shot of their own accord. this is about money and control, not public health. when the fuck has the government or big pharma or a good portion of the medical field ever given a shit about public health. lmfao.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:37PM (1 child)
Spoken like a true basement dweller who's never been out in the real world, personnaly known any of those very real human beings working in governement, or for "big pharma", or in the healthcare sector. Go live in a cabin in the woods somewhere with your stockpile of guns, waiting for the next zombie apocalypse, loser. How may times have you called someone a "fucking slave" to their face, pathetic cowardly keyboard warrior ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:05AM
No loser more pathetic as a worthless noname nobody that has to troll for government to earn some fodder. What will you do when they kick you out, loser?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:53PM (2 children)
It's always astonishing that those who swallow down entire fictional political theories all of a sudden want minute & detailed validation of all scientific work.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:07PM
They actually don't "want minute & detailed validation of all scientific work", they just want to "stick it to the libs".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:11AM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:31PM (2 children)
And with what data will they evaluate what the risk/reward ratio is ? Could it be published data ? Published by an organisation that has the resources to tally and analyse such data ? Last time I checked, those were governemental organisations, such as the CDC or the WHO. Or will you trust the data published by those sociopathic big-pharma corporations ?
Unless you have the means and knowledge to gather, tally and analyse such amounts of data yourself, and interpret it in a scientifically meaningfull way, at some point, you're going to have to trust someone.
Smart people know who to trust, when to trust them, and how to verify and corroborate their affirmations. Stupid people blindly trust or distrust anyone but themselves (or worse, trust/distrust anyone some orange dude tells them to trust/distrust) and live with the consequences (most often than not suffer by them).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @10:57PM
Here's a clue: if the speaker is talking to a group who couldn't graduate highschool, and is telling them they're the smart ones, it's bullshit. Playing to their vanity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @01:52PM
Risk:reward is a completely personal decision that people will make in all sorts of ways, sometimes irrationally. However, the one aspect is going to remain a constant is that the safer the vaccines are perceived the be, the more deadly the virus is perceived to be, and the more trusted "authorities" are, the more likely people will be to weight the decision in favor of vaccination. And vice versa, as these things become less true.
And here we have a virus that is very low risk to younger individuals, with a government that has been for years actively lying to and dividing people, a pharmaceutical industry that just oversaw widespread deaths driven by a for-profit opioid epidemic, and the response to concerns about safety is to censor, straw man, and attack.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:55PM
Oh, no, if you come to Florida you probably will be catching COVID sooner or later. We're still social distancing and masking up in anything resembling public - seems to have kept us symptom free this far, while our neighbors have caught it and one is dead now (still no ruling on cause of death two weeks after the event.)
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by krishnoid on Saturday July 17 2021, @09:39PM (2 children)
No, I'll refuse the vaccine because I'm armed and I'd rather take my chances with the World War Z-style infected running towards me. At least, I suspect that's the kind of clear and immediate danger it will take for people to get vaccinated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:23AM (1 child)
They do now Resident Evil wasn't a documentary, right?
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday July 18 2021, @09:26PM
Not a lot, but if it's got Matt Damon or Brad Pitt in it, at least some people will think it was a documentary [dailymail.co.uk]. Make them the vocal ones on social media, and there you go.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:52PM
When the apparent death rate is less than 1% and concentrated in the extremely elderly, yeah, I'll take my chances with the wild virus before a half baked vaccine.
Let a 30% death rate pandemic out and I'll take any vaccine you've got, tested or not.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:29AM (2 children)
Government is also not the issue here. The Surgeon General is talking about the credibility of the people spreading FUD about brilliant technical achievements. I will cross-check government, and I will disbelieve anyone saying "You don't need the vaccine if you buy my miracle supplements!".
No need to take things on faith when the Phase 3 reports are in the open literature.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:19AM (1 child)
You appear to have great faith in whomever wrote the Phase 3 reports.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:27AM
Trust/faith is what scales a society. If you never trust anyone, your tribe will never be bigger than a few hundred people at most. How many people of your tribe were involved in creating the machine you've typed your reply on?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:46AM (3 children)
It's whether I trust my doctor (paraphrased, "get any vaccine you can as soon as you can") or the scientists who did the trials or the peer reviewers who went over the results.
They have my trust. People showing up at a legislative hearing claiming to be magnetized do not.
And people who spread disinformation are, to parallel Orwell, objectively pro-virus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @01:58PM (1 child)
You are becoming increasingly absurd.
In the US doctors were, and continue, to be literally paid [harvard.edu] to prescribe opioids. This is part of a number of orchestrated systemic actions, motivated entirely by profit with reckless disregard for public safety, by the pharmaceutical industry and enabled by politicians. This includes the current head of the FDA who was, at the time, at a role in the FDA to oversee which drugs were approved and for whom they were approved.
"Trust your doctor" goes out the window when money starts getting involved. And COVID is introducing a bigger profit motive than anything ever before, and most likely anything ever after - once we're able to see the consequences of this shit show.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 19 2021, @02:31AM
Opoids are bigger.
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:33PM
Now I have a citation for saying there's a dozen people spreading most of the lies. It's not a source I know, so I can't vouch for their credibility. You'll make up your own minds anyway and that's healthy.
https://www.counterhate.com/disinformationdozen [counterhate.com]
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:58AM (1 child)
There is a thing with mortality rates and Dunbar's number.
Whenever the mortality is large enough that probability of there being a victim (or several) among average human's acquaintances is more than 50%, most will notice that "it's somewhat dangerous". With Dunbar's number being 150, you need 1+ death per 216 humans to achieve that.
Whenever the mortality is large enough to exceed the "natural causes" (old age and accidents) among said acquaintances, most will recognize "it's a dangerous epidemic okay".
COVID, as it stands, with 1 "death with COVID" per 960 USAians, is at 22% of that first threshold (mortality 4.4 times less than needed even for that). As to the 2nd threshold, it is at 11% of it (mortality 8.7 times less than that).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar's_number [wikipedia.org]
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2778234 [jamanetwork.com]
Corollary: you can scream and rant till blue in the face, but when 90% do not know anyone who died with COVID, let alone from it, after one and a half year of the pandemics circus, you can scare only the most gullible and unobservant among those 90%.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday July 18 2021, @08:51PM
So you're saying there's a sort of stable maximum for transmissibility and/or lethality for any given pathogen, and it happens to be bounded by one of the evolutionary limits of the human brain's social systems? That doesn't bode well for us.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:16AM
The governments that lie, cheat, manipulate, and deceive are there because they lie, cheat, manipulate, and deceive during the elections as well. Why wouldn't they?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @10:28AM
Don't blame me. I voted for Kodos.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @07:45PM (1 child)
"Here's a newflash: We know you lie. We don't trust you. We shouldn't trust you. It's nice to say well I'm not lying about (insert important topic here) but the simple truth is we can't trust you. Sorry about your luck."
Well, OK. Remember this when you are sick with COVID in the ICU and gasping for your last breath. I have no doubt that the respiratory therapist will tell you "sorry about your luck" just before they intubate you. And I have no doubt they will really mean it.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:33AM
Remember that it is 2021 already, dork.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#AgeAndSex [cdc.gov]
So to all my chance to die from something else, let's call it X, is added 0.05X chance to die from COVID. You are telling me to be AFRAID of THAT???
LOL
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:04PM (6 children)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:20PM (4 children)
100 Soviet Era jokes [johndclare.net]. Those were jokes genuinely told during and within the USSR era.
Pretty amusing how relevant all of this stuff is becoming again. When one reads of the past as an outside you often think to yourself 'How could society shift in such a direction? What would it have felt like, what must have been going through peoples' minds?' And then you get to live through the exact experience, yet somehow find yourself no more enlightened as to what in the world is going through peoples minds. Is it simply demagoguery pushing people along?
And then you begin to understand that history repeats itself is not a saying padded in metaphor or symbolism. We seem destined to literally repeat the exact same patterns endlessly throughout time, with little more than technology providing a change in scenery.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:02PM (3 children)
It's not that surprizing that brainwashing techniques are becoming widespread. There is unregulated, direct contact between the source and the target. Probably for the first time in history. Even with newspapers and TV there is some degree of filtering - of the most obnoxious lies and, yes, of some uncomfortable truths. Today on the internet, you are lining up disaffected morans against the most sophisticated propaganda known to man.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 18 2021, @04:18AM (2 children)
You are discussing something that is many centuries old.
And that sophisticated propaganda would be?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @06:45AM (1 child)
Look around you.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 19 2021, @02:25AM
Like the Surgeon General whining ineffectually about fake news?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @11:50PM
That quote is funnier when misattributed to Solzhenitsyn ;)
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday July 17 2021, @08:09PM (1 child)
At a very basic level, it is their job to lie - preferably without getting caught, so they retain their credibility to be able to lie again and be trusted again.
I'd much prefer basic policies of extreme transparency, but I'll be dead long before something like that could truly happen. It's a competitive world, and the liars can gain temporary advantage - particularly if they can do it without being exposed.
🌻🌻 [google.com]
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Sunday July 18 2021, @09:29PM
Your assumption is that they're trying for a baseline of credibility, rather than one of acceptability/consumability. Transparency is great, but doesn't keep people from skipping the produce section and going straight for the chips and dip aisles. Figuratively and literally, now that I think about it.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 17 2021, @11:03PM (2 children)
Here's a newflash - you may try to think for yourself instead of relying on faith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @12:58AM
Another news flash: we are them too. It's just humans.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 18 2021, @05:44AM
Do think for yourself: cui bono?