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Russia tests hypersonic Tsirkon missile, leaving NATO concerned about potential escalation - ABC News:

Russia said on Monday it had successfully tested a Tsirkon hypersonic cruise missile, a weapon President Vladimir Putin has touted as part of a new generation of missile systems without equal in the world.

[...] Russia's Defence Ministry said the Tsirkon missile was launched from the Admiral Groshkov frigate in the White Sea.

The Ministry said the missile flew at seven times the speed of sound and successfully hit a target more than 350 kilometres away on the coast of the Barents Sea.

[...] Mr Putin has said Tsirkon would be capable of flying at nine times the speed of sound and have a range of 1,000 kilometres.

[...] The Russian navy has conducted several previous test launches of the new missile, including one on Mr Putin's birthday in October, and officials said the tests were to be completed later this year.

Russia intends to arm its cruisers, frigates and submarines with the Tsirkon, one of several hypersonic missiles under development in Russia.

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Russia successfully tests new hypersonic Tsirkon missile:

Russia says it has successfully tested a new hypersonic anti-ship cruise missile in a move hailed by President Vladimir Putin as a "great event" for the country.

The military said on Wednesday that the Tsirkon missile was fired from the Admiral Gorshkov frigate in the White Sea on Tuesday morning in the Russian Arctic and successfully hit its target.

Valery Gerasimov, chief of the Russian military's General Staff, told Putin – who turned 68 on Wednesday – that it was the first time the missile had successfully struck a target at sea.

"The tasks of the launch were carried out. The test-fire was successful," he told Putin. Gerasimov said the missile hit its target 450 kilometres (280 miles) away in the Barents Sea and reached a speed of Mach 8 – eight times the speed of sound.

China and America have also been developing hypersonic missiles.

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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @12:57AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @12:57AM (#1158536)

    Quick, President Biden, build a superhypersonic missile.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:02AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:02AM (#1158539)

      Double the budget! It's already double, you say? Well double it again.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:28AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:28AM (#1158580)

      Got a good idea for a hypersonic missile? Here's where to test it:
          https://www.cubrc.org/index.php/aeronautics [cubrc.org]

      I sometimes work nearby--before they fire off a shock tunnel there are siren warnings, and the bang is very significant when it fires. Their current shock tunnels go up to Mach 22...

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @01:14AM (9 children)

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @01:14AM (#1158544)

    They tested a hypersonic missle! Almost ready to join the rest of the world in the 1990s - the year since when they have been repainting their 1970's tech and putting out amazing fake specs. Here in the year 2020, we've tested 6 of them, and 3 are ready for deployment.

    Glad they're going to be joining this long list, at the end of it.
    USA USA USA
    MGM-140 ATACMS
    MGM-52 Lance

    China
    WS-1

    India
    Shaurya
    Prahar

    Pakistan
    Nasr/Hatf IX
    Abdali
    Hatf-I

    Turkey
    J-600T

    >new generation of missile systems without equal in the world
    and here he's correct. The current range of existing hypersonic missles is about 900km, while Russia claims it can go 1000km. Since Putin's rocket-propelled bathtub can reach about two extra suburbs further, there is in fact no other equal to it. Of course, since the test was 350km away, I take that 1000km with a meter-long trail of salt. Which is much longer than our yard-long trail of salt, and hence has no equal in saltiness.

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by c0lo on Wednesday July 21, @01:20AM (1 child)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 21, @01:20AM (#1158549) Journal

      The current range of existing hypersonic missles is about 900km,

      Check the speed of the others that you enumerated, it looks like they ruskies can claim to shave some millisecond from the pizza delivery too.

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @01:44AM

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @01:44AM (#1158557)

        This flew at mach 7. All hypersonic missles are above mach5. The american AGM-183A goes to 1000miles (1600km) at mach 6.5, and less than 1000miles at mach 8. Note how Russia announced their range and speed separately - pick one. The latest one we're developing flies at mach 15 - mach 20, double the Russian missle's speed.

        Given that the Russian missile has neither flown at their announced mach 9, nor flown their announced 1000km, they are literally making a weapon from 20 years ago and saying it has no equal. Classic Russia, with their painted empty tubes, marching down the kremlin ww2 parade. Which I attended as a small kid, since my grandmother was i the kgb. Russian tech is old rusty crap painted new, and a lot of talk. Heck, they even have to pay the French build their aircraft carriers.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:01AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:01AM (#1158564)

      Most of these are land-based artillery-style rockets rather than anti-ship or ship-launched cruise missiles. Not apples to apples.

      The Chinese have an operational hypersonic missile, the WU-14, which is kind of halfway between an ICBM and a cruise missile. The US probably doesn't feel that it needs this type of weapon since it has SSGN submarines for the similar mission.

      AFAIK there's not any unclassified, operational, American hypersonic weapon, except ICBMs. The closest American counterpart is the LRHW missile, which will be used by both the Army and Navy, which has been tested but is not expected to be operational for a few more years. There's also the AGM-183, which will be launched by Air Force bombers. It's not quite ready yet either. Of course this Russian test isn't ahead of where the Americans are, but it's comparable.

      The thing is that any new type of weapon has the chance of making existing strategies obsolete, and the US has a lot more investment in aircraft carriers that are potentially vulnerable to these missiles. So even if Russia isn't ahead on this particular weapons tech, it's still a possible shift in naval power... unless effective countermeasures are developed, of course. Existing anti-missile defenses aren't quite good enough, but no rule says they can't be upgraded. And lasers and railguns are faster than any missile, assuming they ever get working.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:10AM (#1158569)

        You can always overcome being slower by firing sooner. That why we need to fire preemptively in case they fire their slower weapons before us.

    • (Score: 2) by driverless on Wednesday July 21, @06:23AM (3 children)

      by driverless (4770) on Wednesday July 21, @06:23AM (#1158669)

      Of course, since the test was 350km away, I take that 1000km with a meter-long trail of salt.

      Ah, I see yer problem, the units were converted from oblique sazhens to berkovets and so a conversion error of about three crept in.

      BTW did you know the metric system was actually invented by a little-known Russian genius Ivan Gopnik fifty years before everyone else knew about it? Russians invented a lot of stuff before everyone else, but no-one knows about it.

      • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @06:40AM (2 children)

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @06:40AM (#1158670)

        While you're joking, maybe you'll actually want to learn something. Ваня Гопник would not have an actual last name like that. Ivan is the long version of Vanya, and a male last name, would be Gopnikov. Vanya can also be a woman's first name, and the last name would be Gopnikova. In neither case would the last name be Gopnik, because that would be grammatically incorrect. And it's a real last name. Here's someone with the first and last name you note.
        https://twitter.com/gopnikov_ivan [twitter.com]

        The difference is, the accent is on the "i", while the noun gopnik would have the accent on the "o." So while you think this is a clever joke, it only works if you completely bastardize the language. In addition, in the noun gopnik, the "o" is pronounced "o," while in the name Gopnikov, the o is pronounced "aa." So to anyone who actually knows the language, it just sounds retarded. Mostly because the two words sound nothing alike.

        Here, let me make an English joke like yours and you tell me if it's funny:
        Mike wanted to lead an expedition to the amazon. He could never do it, because lead was too heavy for him to lift.

        Now let's have an actual funny joke with names, and on topic. You do need to speak French to get it though.
        Gabriel Mouton invented the metric system. The rest of the world followed, except the US, because we're not a bunch of sheep.

        • (Score: 2) by driverless on Wednesday July 21, @06:53AM (1 child)

          by driverless (4770) on Wednesday July 21, @06:53AM (#1158675)

          Yeah, my Russian is pretty erratic, it was actually a reference to the DJ Blyatman song [youtube.com]. And the Mike joke is funny, it's a classic antijoke, like "What has six legs and goes out? John and his table".

          Thanks for the tutorial :-).

    • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday July 21, @01:00PM

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 21, @01:00PM (#1158727)

      The current range of existing hypersonic missiles (sic) is about 900km

      Everyone lies about their missile specs. Just saying.

      Also remember its just like air to air combat missiles, there's theoretical max range at a ballistic launch 45 degrees at a fixed target with a tail wind which means very little operationally, then there's the range it could hit something un maneuverable like a bomber or troop carrier or maybe a docked ship, then a much shorter range to hit something fast and maneuverable. Its not like there's a 900km spool of wire feeding out the back and at 900.0001 km it goes boom.

      So "we can easily hit an oil tanker by 900km" means something but it doesn't mean a carrier is unconditionally safe at 901 km or an aegis missile cruiser is dead at 899 km.

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:20AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:20AM (#1158548)

    They test new missiles on the leader's birthday. In Soviet America, they just hope the leader will make it to his next birthday.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @01:48AM (6 children)

      by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @01:48AM (#1158558)

      In republican America, Reagan spends billions trying to build the space lasers he saw in a black and white movie, so a fat redneck qanon ape can announce to us they're the cause of forest fires.

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @03:48AM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @03:48AM (#1158619)

        Are you announcing to us they're the cause of forest fires?

        • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @03:55AM (4 children)

          by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @03:55AM (#1158622)

          I am announcing to you, that you are so out of touch from reality, you have no idea what the comment you are replying to is talking about, while the "us" here who were just laughing at a crazy gop frying-pan-faced congressape, are now laughing at you.

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @05:13AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @05:13AM (#1158647)

            Whooosh!!!

            • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @05:51AM (2 children)

              by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @05:51AM (#1158663)

              now read my reply again assuming there was no whoosh. then you won't have a whoosh over your head.

              • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @06:59AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @06:59AM (#1159060)

                Whoosh!! Wooosh!!

                • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Thursday July 22, @07:43AM

                  by fakefuck39 (6620) on Thursday July 22, @07:43AM (#1159067)

                  I do love that you have to keep 10 tabs open and hit refresh 20 times throughout the day to see if I replied, then switch several vpn connections, just to write 'whoosh whoosh' while probably sweating and shaking in a dark bo and cum smelling room with clothes on the floor. all that effort just to make me feel special, as I type this with my thumb while taking a shit.

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:29AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:29AM (#1158551)

    More Judeo-Bolshevik fearmongering bullshit.

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @04:02AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @04:02AM (#1158626)

      the jews were exterminated and deported by the bolsheviks, just like by the nazis. i must ask here - did you even go to school at all, or were you home-shcooled by your mom, the evangelical hand maiden? or just hit a lot in the head by your drunken dad? or hit in the womb alot, by your drunken dad? or diven alcohol before you hit your teens, by your drunken dad? did your drunken dad have sex with you and blame your ass-bleeding on the jews? or did your drunken dad blame your fat white trash mother cheating on him on the jews?

      WE WANT ANSWERS!!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:35AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @01:35AM (#1158554)

    Sure, it's not the first missile in this general category. But current missile defense systems are less able to shoot them down. So it potentially makes NATO ships vulnerable when they weren't before.

    • (Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Wednesday July 21, @01:58AM (3 children)

      by MIRV888 (11376) on Wednesday July 21, @01:58AM (#1158562)

      Submarines already made all ships vulnerable.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:04AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @02:04AM (#1158565)

        Unless you have your own submarine, or an AWS helicopter, or an airplane dropping sonar buoys, or any number of things that can counter submarines.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @01:48AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @01:48AM (#1158985)

          It's not as easy as you appear to think it is.

      • (Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Wednesday July 21, @04:05AM

        by fakefuck39 (6620) on Wednesday July 21, @04:05AM (#1158627)

        not from 1000km away with no way to intercept the launched explosive.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @03:51AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @03:51AM (#1158620)

    Not to worry, the US has been developing even a even stronger weapon: diversity training.

    Our sailors may not be able to put out a fire [1], but you can rest assured they will be able to tell you exactly how systemic racism has kept blacks and non-hetero-normatives from succeeding in a cis white patriarchy.

    [1]: https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/california/us-navy-decommissions-massive-ship-destroyed-by-fire/2577335/ [nbcsandiego.com]

    • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Wednesday July 21, @05:24AM (1 child)

      by Subsentient (1111) on Wednesday July 21, @05:24AM (#1158651) Homepage Journal

      Not to worry, the US has been developing even a even stronger weapon: diversity training.
      I'm going to hell. I know you're a racist dirtbag, but I still laughed when I read that. Picturing a bunch of bored Russians in some bland rented office room being lectured by some offensively bubbly brunette with a pixie cut, all of them secretly wishing for the sweet release of death the entire time.

      --
      “Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:01PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:01PM (#1158811)

        More likely, sit at a terminal and watch a video of said brunette, in cartoon form with indistinct skin tone and ambiguous male/female/muslim name, prior to 45 minutes of click through CYA bullshit training.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by PinkyGigglebrain on Wednesday July 21, @04:32AM (2 children)

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Wednesday July 21, @04:32AM (#1158634)

    As some oen else pointed out several other nations also have deployed mach 5+ cruise missiles.

    OK, good for those countries,

    Now for the big question that I'm hoping those more in the know than I that can hopefully answer;

    Does any country currently have deployed a missile defense system that can stop one of these?

    --
    "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
    • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Wednesday July 21, @05:25AM

      by Subsentient (1111) on Wednesday July 21, @05:25AM (#1158652) Homepage Journal

      Pretty sure they do not.

      Do not fear. Our nuclear holocaust will be swift and decisive, we shall all be cleansed in an expanding, radiant halo of atomic fire within the next decade. :^)

      --
      “Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal.” ― Robert A. Heinlein
    • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Wednesday July 21, @06:49AM

      by Opportunist (5545) on Wednesday July 21, @06:49AM (#1158673)

      No, and hopefully we never will.

      Do you remember how peaceful it was back when there were nukes nobody could defend against? And our tinpot dictators knew that their necks are on the line if they start a war because the war wasn't winable?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @05:01PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @05:01PM (#1158784)

    At what speed does the warhead become superfluous?

    I found this quote:

    The missiles’ kinetic energy at the time of impact, at speeds of at least 1,150 miles per hour, makes them powerful enough to penetrate any building material or armored plating with the force of three to four tons of TNT.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/19/magazine/hypersonic-missiles.html [nytimes.com]

    I would think 3KTon would suffice for many of their "precision" uses.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:03PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:03PM (#1158813)

      Can we use this to facilitate fracking? Or mining the moon? Perhaps to divert a hurricane?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:39PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 21, @06:39PM (#1158835)

      3 tons and 3KTons are not the same thing. 3 Kilotons no longer qualifies as precision.

      At the velocities we are talking about, there are a few reasons you might need a warhead. Your accuracy might be such that you can expect a near miss, rather than a hit. Or your target might be big or hard enough to survive a kinetic kill weapon. In this case, I suspect both reasons apply.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @01:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 22, @01:50AM (#1158986)

        The faster you go the harder it is to turn.

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