Amazon's New World game is bricking GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards:
It is probably not a good idea to play New World right now. The closed Beta and Alpha builds of this game have reportedly been a reason for the bricking of GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards, multiple users on the official game's forum have reported.
The issue appears to affect mainly GeForce RTX 3090 graphics cards which are reportedly overheating and see power spikes. The game has an uncapped framerate in the main menus, which is usually associated with buzzing capacitors. Most users however have reported that EVGA RTX 3090 cards specifically are the most affected brand. A number of the RTX 3090 cards have been bricked in the process.
[...] Update: Amazon Games released the following statement:
Hundreds of thousands of people played in the New World Closed Beta yesterday, with millions of total hours played. We've received a few reports of players using high-performance graphics cards experiencing hardware failure when playing New World.
New World makes standard DirectX calls as provided by the Windows API. We have seen no indication of widespread issues with 3090s, either in the beta or during our many months of alpha testing.
The New World Closed Beta is safe to play. In order to further reassure players, we will implement a patch today that caps frames per second on our menu screen. We're grateful for the support New World is receiving from players around the world, and will keep listening to their feedback throughout Beta and beyond.
See also: Issues with EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra
r/newworldgame - Did the New World Beta brick your gpu?
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[...] At any rate, as this is a market overview rather than a technical deep dive, the details on GDDR6X are slim. The document links to another, still-unpublished document, "Doubling I/O Performance with PAM4: Micron Innovates GDDR6X to Accelerate Graphics Memory", that would presumably contain further details on GDDR6X. None the less, even this high-level overview gives us a basic idea of what Micron has in store for later this year.
The key innovation for GDDR6X appears to be that Micron is moving from using POD135 coding on the memory bus – a binary (two state) coding format – to four state coding in the form of Pulse-Amplitude Modulation 4 (PAM4). In short, Micron would be doubling the number of signal states in the GDDR6X memory bus, allowing it to transmit twice as much data per clock.
[...] According to Micron's brief, they're expecting to get GDDR6X to 21Gbps/pin, at least to start with. This is a far cry from doubling GDDR6's existing 16Gbps/pin rate, but it's also a data rate that would be grounded in the limitations of PAM4 and DRAM. PAM4 itself is easier to achieve than binary coding at the same total data rate, but having to accurately determine four states instead of two is conversely a harder task. So a smaller jump isn't too surprising.
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Nvidia has announced its latest generation of gaming-oriented GPUs, based on the "Ampere" microarchitecture on a customized Samsung "8nm" process node.
The GeForce RTX 3080 ($700) has 10 GB of GDDR6X VRAM and will be released on September 17. TDP is up significantly, at 320 Watts compared to 215 Watts for the RTX 2080. The GeForce RTX 3070 ($500) has 8 GB of GDDR6 and a TDP of 220 Watts. The GeForce RTX 3090 ($1500) is the top card so far with a whopping 24 GB of GDDR6X VRAM. The GPU is physically much larger than the other two models and it has a 350 Watt TDP.
Nvidia's performance benchmarks should be treated with caution, since the company is often using ray-tracing and/or DLSS upscaling in its comparisons. But the RTX 3070 will outperform the RTX 2080 Ti at less than half the launch price, as it has 35% more CUDA cores at higher clock speeds.
Nvidia also announced some new features such as Nvidia Reflex (4m53s video), Broadcast, Omniverse Machinima, and RTX IO. Nvidia Broadcast includes AI-derived tools intended for live streamers. RTX Voice can filter out background noises, greenscreen effects can be applied without the need for a real greenscreen, and an autoframing feature can keep the streamer centered in frame while they are moving. Nvidia RTX IO appears to be Nvidia's response to the next-generation consoles' use of fast SSDs and dedicated data decompression.
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(Score: 2, Interesting) by weilawei on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:13AM (22 children)
(Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:16AM (19 children)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @08:04AM (3 children)
Some chatter indicate that EVGA is again using undersized fuses on the PCIe power. Due to the specific operations on the cards, a bit of overclocking/overvolting, and bad thermal design on the homebuilder, it isn't surprising to see a number of cards blowing the fuse.
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday July 25 2021, @11:27AM (2 children)
Maybe, but don't board designers usually use self-resetting fuses? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettable_fuse [wikipedia.org] They're not showing the SMD versions but they exist too.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 26 2021, @04:26AM (1 child)
Whether to use a fuse or a polyswitch is a highly technical decision. For something like a video card, a fuse isn't a bad choice given the other input protection you'll have on the circuit and that these devices are also meant to be installed and then left alone. Even with a polyswitch, you could easily end up "bricking" your card. They do reset but it can take a surprisingly long time. Depending on the various conditions before and after they trip, it can take days or weeks before your circuit works properly again.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 26 2021, @04:36AM
So you don't have to take my anonymous word for it, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuimvlNraLM&t=920s [youtube.com] is someone with credentials you can verify explaining the usage of fuses on video cards.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 25 2021, @11:47AM (14 children)
A long long time ago - I think I had a dual slot motherboard with pentium2 cpus. I just build the system a few days ago. I saw an Intel commercial where they removed the heatsync from an amd chip and a pentium2, and the amd OS crashed, while the Intel one just slowed down.
So I took off the heatsync and booted up. The screen froze while Windows was coming up. I put the heatsync back and rebooted after it cooled. One of the CPUs was fried. The store wouldn't take it back, Intel would not replace it, and I had no cash to replace it, so I ran on a single processor till companies started giving us laptops we could take home.
(Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Sunday July 25 2021, @11:58AM (13 children)
Not trying to be a jerk, but that's a bad testing method.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:22PM (12 children)
And yet Intel advertised this testing method in ads on national TV, while refusing to replace the CPUs it burned down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @01:27PM (1 child)
Absolutely idiotic to do it yourself. "Dont try this at home, kids!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 26 2021, @10:27AM
Makes you wonder if he was the guy that tried to get a Harrier for 7,000,000 Pepsi points.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Acabatag on Sunday July 25 2021, @01:56PM
Here's another cool trick you should try. Take your car out of gear and floor it. It will make a cool roaring sound.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @06:02PM (6 children)
There were no ads like that on national TV. The vast majority of national TV viewers would have no idea what was going on if you started pulling heatsinks off of CPU's. That's why we instead got guys dancing around in bunny suits.
There was a pretty famous video from Tom's Hardware where they showed what happened when you yank the heatsink off of an Intel CPU and an AMD CPU while playing a game (Quake, I think?). The Intel CPU throttled way down but kept going, and the AMD chip literally went up in smoke. This was back in the Pentium 4/Athlon XP days. If you tried that at home and wrecked something, well that would be your problem.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @01:37AM (5 children)
"I've seen every Intel ad and remember , and you're clearly talking about some other video I saw online, about a different CPU, which doesn't match the description of the video you gave"
Althought I was wrong too - it was a pentium III, not a II. Which unlike your pentium 4, went into a slot.
Here's how screwed up your memory is: You're claiming Intel dancing ads for the pentium 4. Those ads were for the first mmx chip - like 3 generations before. But I do notice that with people insecure in their personal life, the less they know about something, the more they're sure they know everything.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 26 2021, @02:02AM (1 child)
Fine then, show me the ad, or some evidence that Intel ran such an ad on national TV. Oh wait, you can't, because you're completely full of shit.
I never claimed that. You're the one saying that.
Project much?
(Score: 1, Troll) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @02:17AM
>Fine then, show me the ad
why in the world would I bother googling for a half an hour to find some ad I saw 20 years ago, to prove something to an autistic person with hyperfocus issues. I'm only here to make fun of you and get entertained by repeatedly calling you a loser.
>I never claimed that. You're the one saying that.
I'll be honest here, I spent maybe 3 seconds glancing at your post, because, again, I am here to repeatedly point out you have a brain disease, not to convince you of anything, or listen to anything you have to say.
>Project much?
yes, yes I do. repeatedly calling you an autist, an incel, and a social reject is me projecting if you want to believe it. assuming people making fun of you must have those issues themselves is what's left you the social reject you are to this day. here in the real world - we're just all making fun of the weird creepy dork. you autistic social reject incel. your only purpose to society at this point, is to entertain us, by laughing at you. like it's always been, like it always will be. because autism is not curable.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @04:35AM (2 children)
lol imagine pedantry on slashdot's retarded cousin being your source of self-esteem
no wonder you have a mail order asian bride
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 27 2021, @04:43AM (1 child)
there's that porn brain damage showing again. asian to you - you think of sex immediately. newsflash sherlock. there are lots of asian-americans in here. when a normal person hears asian, it's the same a hearing white, black, mexican, etc. you hear it, and you think sex and weird fetishes.
>being your source of self-esteem
my source of self esteem is living a normal life, as part of this society. my source of entertainment is pretty much anything you say. because you are an incel, and losers are funny to laugh at. which you should be used to by now - you've had to deal with being a creepy reject your entire life.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @02:50PM
Well ... China and India are in Asia, so are a bunch of other very populous countries. I think they have had quite a bit of sex to reach those numbers of people. Unless you think they have somehow perfected cloning or that the stork came with them.
There does seem to be a bit of an asian porn fetish tho, but only females. Nobody seem to care much about asian males in porn. Much more so then say black females. They seem to be a very under represented group. So it doesn't skew all ways the same.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @08:19PM (1 child)
Remember, this is the guy who boasted "Jews are smart!" a few days ago. Guess this one isn't.
(Score: 2) by fakefuck39 on Monday July 26 2021, @12:41AM
Actually, I'm the guy who said you're an autistic incel who gets shit on and always comes back for more, because even abuse and online text is better than the complete lack of human contact you would otherwise face. I do understand you are angry at numbers and all, however numbers don't care - the IQ of Jews is about the same as the IQ of Asians - higher than yours.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:28AM
It seems likely. No modern card should die from heat or overload, especially one like a 3090, especially running a trivial load like a menu.
My guess is that EVGA is happy to replace the faulty cards so they can get the broken ones back and figure out what went wrong, because this is not going to be the last game that has this problem.
With approximately 99.99% of current 30x0 cards being used for mining rather than gaming, the latest generation of cards is having a much longer period of de facto public beta than most hardware. If there's a design flaw, they need to find out sooner rather than later so they can find a fix (and, hopefully, a software workaround as well for existing cards).
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday July 25 2021, @02:10PM
I'd guess it's a funky interaction in homebrew rigs between the 3090, the power supplies, and maybe something else like heat stress.
High end graphics cards have been built so they almost eat themselves for 20+ years now, I had one of the last bus powered "super cards" from Matrox around 2001 - it would spike the power bus with certain 3D operations and cause the system to hard reboot, 100% repeatable - reboot, reload, put the CAD drawing in the same state then perform the same operation and watch it hard reset every time. Only came up an average of once a month for me, but it made it challenging to draw certain parts.
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(Score: 3, Redundant) by Anti-aristarchus on Sunday July 25 2021, @01:05AM
Now, I am not saying that Windows is the problem, but Windows is the problem. That, or aliens.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday July 25 2021, @07:41AM
- Buy the Amazon game
- Play the Amazon game
- Burn out your graphics card
- Buy a new graphics card on Amazon
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @08:14AM (1 child)
This hot new $product1 is just TOO hot in burnt out $product2. Did I mention $product1 and $product2? Please spread me virally.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:55PM
Good luck buying perpetually-scalped $product2.
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by looorg on Sunday July 25 2021, @12:04PM (7 children)
If it was a general fault with the graphics cards wouldn't this happen on more games then just this new game (New World, Amazon)? I don't recall any news about other new games burning cards (RTX 3090 from EVGA). So either there is something odd with the game somehow, perhaps it's really pushing the limits somehow, or something that is triggering something on said cards. But it seems awfully specific that it should just, or mainly, be on manufacturer that is having issues.
Right so the article (first link) has been updated. It's happening to more cards then just the 3090 from EVGA.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday July 25 2021, @02:12PM (4 children)
The game is making standard DirectX calls, but standard calls can stress the hardware and it isn't called bleeding edge for nothing.
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(Score: 2) by looorg on Sunday July 25 2021, @02:28PM (3 children)
True. It's just a bit weird that it seems to be happening to their game and non of the other new releases are reporting similar issues as far as I can tell. I doubt "New World" is much more state of the art and pushing the boundaries of computer hardware compared to other new, or newly released or in the pipeline, titles, I don't have any examples of such new titles but I'm sure there are some.
I guess it could also be a combination of calls that is triggering something. I seem to recall a previous graphics card I had where everything was fine and then some things seemed to trigger something in it that made all the fans just go bonkers in it and rev up to hurricane speed even tho the graphics card was not reporting that it was hotter then normal. Easily solved by just capping the max fan speed but still weird and annoying.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday July 25 2021, @04:13PM (2 children)
It's not so much "state of the art" as it is unlucky coincidence. If you remember the days of dot matrix printers, you could send certain patterns to the printer, ordinary looking enough graphic patterns, that would set up standing waves in the machine and absolutely destroy it. Wouldn't happen with text or numbers, wouldn't happen with random imagery, but hit it just right and BOOM. Probably something similar going on in this title vs the graphics card. Just porting an application between NVidia and Intel OpenGL, I had to change the way certain things were done to avoid problems in the Intel OpenGL rendering, including some crashes. They were "standard" OpenGL calls that worked in NVidia's implementation, but making different "standard" calls eventually found a common ground that worked in both implementations.
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(Score: 2) by looorg on Sunday July 25 2021, @07:46PM (1 child)
I recall playing "music" with the motor of old 5.25" drives, that didn't do wonders for them but it was great fun and interesting. Same could, probably be done with a dot matrix printer.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday July 26 2021, @08:16PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Sunday July 25 2021, @05:32PM
If hardware burns itself out in response to bad commands from software, the hardware is faulty. Properly working hardware will report an error and NOT burn itself up.
Some might argue that firmware protection of the hardware is adequate, but even if so, that failed too.
The game may be stumbling over a common hardware bug, but the hardware still deserves the blame.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @06:19PM
It's probably not true. JZ2C is a well known nVidia shill and these mysterious AMD owners with problems don't seem to actually exist. There are multiple reddit threads devoted to this issue where you can see for yourself. There are dozens of people having this problem with 3090s, mostly eVGA, and a couple with 3080s. One player with a 1080ti and another with a 2080 whose problems may or may not have been related to the game. Zero with AMD. (But you see people parroting the FUD, so mission accomplished for JZ2C).
I read through the threads. There was one Vega that had a thermal shutdown but the card was fine. Another guy with a 5700xt with a dead motherboard (and he wasn't even playing the game at the time). Another 5700xt user whose power supply wasn't up to the task. The RX5x0 series, by far the most common AMD cards actually in gaming use, had zero reports of any problems. There is just no direct evidence of this being an issue with AMD. Also notable is that there are no reports of problems with 3060 or 3070 cards (those are different silicon from the 3080/3090).
Because of my own participation in the Great GPU Scramble of 2021, I know that eVGA is the easiest brand to get. Just because most of the reports are eVGA doesn't necessarily mean that they are more likely to have the problem.
Lots of people with all kinds of GPUs reported higher than normal temperatures, but no damage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @05:06PM
today, i got to lift up a box containing a real 3080 for the first time.
i had to inquire the price and was told they would only sell it as a "set" of mainboard, ram and ... that gpu. price? something short of 3900 dolllaarrss ....
*winked* at the sales lady and we both smiled when i said that the same amount of monies would buy two(!) *honda-cub* 125cc like motorcycles ... that could do grocery runs and allow visits to a friends house.
it would also buy a few yinlong, non burning and non exploding lithium titanium oxid batteries for a "stand-alone AC" grid ... but i didn't say that... just something that sprang to mind when i saw the latest and greatest fossile fuel destroying devices (and have fun doing in) in form of some nearly 2 square meter sized samsung tv... i really really REALLY hope the power doesn't go out when the "climate apocalypse" hits so that monster TV can have a last smile with a gasp "mission accomplished" and wink out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 25 2021, @08:11PM
Windows users who buy Nvidia graphics cards and play games from Amazon? ...