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posted by martyb on Tuesday July 27 2021, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the if-you-can't-beat-'em dept.

Intel introduces its new node naming, Enhanced Superfin is now Intel 7

Intel 10nm Enhanced SuperFin has been renamed to Intel 7. Intel revealed that this node is now in volume production and it will see 10 to 15% performance per watt improvement over 10nm SuperFin. This node will be used for Alder Lake and Sapphire Rapids.

Intel 4 is what was previously known as Intel's 7nm node. The manufacturer promises a 20% performance per watt gain over Intel 7. This node will use EUV lithography. The first products to feature Intel 4 are Meteor Lake which had taped in in Q2 2021 and Granite Rapids's compute tile.

[...] Intel 20A node will provide innovations beginning the first half of 2024. The A stands for angstrom, a metric unit 0.1 of the size of a nanometer. This node will introduce a new transistors architecture known as RibbonFET and PowerVia interconnect innovation. Intel does not confirm which product will use the Intel 20A node.

Also at AnandTech and Wccftech.

Intel's First High-Profile IFS Fab Customer: Qualcomm Jumps on Board For 20A Process

Per Intel's announcement, Intel and Qualcomm are partnering up to get Qualcomm products on Intel's 20A process, one of the company's most advanced (and farthest-out) process node. The first of Intel's "Ångström" process nodes, 20A is due in 2024 and will be where Intel first implements Gate-All-Around (GAA) transistors, one of the major manufacturing technology milestones on Intel's new roadmap.

Intel Teases Meteor Lake 5-125W Core CPUs With Up To 192 EU GPU, 12th Gen Alder Lake Hinted For 27th October Launch

This is the first time Intel has given a detailed look at the Meteor Lake SOC that features three separate chiplets that are connected together through Forveros technology. Intel is expected to utilize a next-generation core architecture that will power the compute die while the I/O will be located on its own SOC-LP die. The GPU die will also be separate and will be composed of up to 192 EU (96 EU for Desktops & 192 EUs for Mobility). The Meteor Lake lineup will comprise 5-125W CPUs and feature a bump pitch of 36u (microns).


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Intel 12th Gen Core Alder Lake for Desktops: Top SKUs Only, Coming November 4th

The first things we'll go into are the new CPUs that Intel is announcing today: the overclockable models of Intel 12th Gen Core. As with previous launches, we have Core i9, Core i7, and Core i5, with the key highlights including new support for DDR5, PCIe Gen 5, new overclocking features, and a change in how Intel is promoting its Thermal Design Power (TDP).[*]

Each processor has a number of performance cores (P-cores) and efficiency cores (E-cores). The P-cores have SMT, whereas the E-cores do not, so we're dealing with non-standard numbers of total threads. Inside the system, the P-core threads, E-core threads, and SMT threads are categorized for performance and efficiency, which we'll get to later in the article. But with a new hybrid design also comes with new ways to showcase frequencies, and each set of cores will have its own base frequency and turbo frequency. The way power is marketed and used has also changed, designed to be clearer.

All processors will come with 16 lanes of PCIe 5.0 from the processor, and an additional 4 lanes of PCIe 4.0 for storage. Memory support is listed as both DDR5-4800 and DDR4-3200, although systems will only support one or the other, for a maximum of 128 GB. The K processors also feature 32 EUs of Intel's Xe-LP graphics, designated as UHD Graphics 770. Prices will start at $264 for the base Core i5 model, up to $589 for the top Core i9 model.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fakefuck39 on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:49AM (10 children)

    by fakefuck39 (6620) on Tuesday July 27 2021, @05:49AM (#1160293)

    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27965783 [ycombinator.com]

    just got done discussing this. here one of the top comments. they're doing what windows did by skipping 9 to match osX, and what iphone did skipping 9 because i guess at the end there when Apple lost to PC (pancreatic cancer), the drugs make you not be able to count. I think there was some browser version bs going on like that too, but forget what exactly.

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    They are basically rebranding their node size to TSMC's ( or more like Samsung's ) naming scheme.

    10nm to 7nm. 7nm to 4nm 7nm+ to 3nm 5nm to 2nm

    And all of them make senes and has been known for quite some time. I remember writing something on SemiWiki in 2018. So really they are pushing their 7nm to next year, their first node with full usage of EUV. An iteration of 7nm in 2023. I say iteration when in reality that was always the original target of Intel's 7nm. And 5nm in 2024.

    10nm is already shipping, and judging by their product lineup seems to be yielding a lot better. Their 7nm next year are all going to be for their Aurora project anyway. So my guess is that it is more like a place holder with little actual capacity for anyone else including Intel's DC and Consumer business. Shipping their own product with 7nm+ / 3nm in 2023. And the real test will be 2nm in 2024. Is it aggressive? Yes, plausible? I am quite optimistic.

    >evidence there is that Intel will be able to deliver all this?

    Yes. Intel's biggest problem wasn't 10nm, or their chip performance. It was their mentality of keeping Fat profit margin from end product sales. And business School to this day continue to teach the same crap over and over again. That is why having MBA as CEO in tech hardly ever works. The evidence here is quite clear. Intel is really betting on being a Foundry. I do not believe Qualcomm and Amazon will sign up Intel if the price wasn't right. It means Intel is finally doing their second Andrew Grove Moment pivoted Intel away from DRAM to microprocessors, except this time to Custom Fab. As he once said. "Our Strategy is Simple, we build Fabs and we fill them."

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @07:22AM (9 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @07:22AM (#1160302)

      looking back i think it was m$ that glued chip standards together.
      probably 'cause they didn't want to support 15 different cpu versions.
      now along comes open-source linux and you can print 100 different same-but-incompatible CPUs, hire a "linux guru" to modify the source code just enough to be pain to maintain (and sure, open-sourcing the change) and now you have a whole zoo of cpu that run linux but are incompatible.
      now the hardware CPU manufacturer can "innovate" (read: make obsolete and drop support) to their hearts desire ...
      sure, open-source community has the code but now there are 100 chips all the same but just slightly NOT.
      i am pretty sure they ran simulations to find a metric where community support manpower-hours of "dropped 3year old chips" exceeds the rate of new "same-but-again-different-here-have-the-source-code" chips are printed just enough so nobody would "take up the cause".
      wouldn't have *thunk* it but linux works best against an single opponent but now its spirit will whitter by "a thousand cuts" (or so sayz brick).

      p.s. there is a light of hope (maybe) that nvidia themselfs will bring some sanity to the non-x86 chip sphere and this might even be the reason why nvidia owning the non-leg is whipping up such a storm... (imagine a future samsung note2 like device where you insert a "cd-rom" and install your prefered linux distro ... until YOU! decide you need a upgrade). /me crosses fingers.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @07:38AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @07:38AM (#1160306)

        i wonder how much e-waste volumne in form of tantalum and other conflict materials could have been saved (and monies kept out of greedy "world destroyers" pockets) if open-source would have really worked and everybody could have just said "f#ck you stagefright", installed some distro with 5.x linux kernel and all peripherals on a samsung note2?
        fear of security bugs on obsoleted no longer supported devices is what is keeping these 'em chip printers in business. can we solve it? do we even care?

      • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Tuesday July 27 2021, @11:14AM

        by hendrikboom (1125) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday July 27 2021, @11:14AM (#1160319) Homepage Journal

        now along comes open-source linux and you can print 100 different same-but-incompatible CPUs, hire a "linux guru" to modify the source code just enough to be pain to maintain (and sure, open-sourcing the change) and now you have a whole zoo of cpu that run linux but are incompatible.

        Sounds like a case for Gentoo or Arch.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Tuesday July 27 2021, @11:36AM (6 children)

        by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Tuesday July 27 2021, @11:36AM (#1160324) Journal
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        • (Score: 2) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday July 27 2021, @01:11PM (5 children)

          by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday July 27 2021, @01:11PM (#1160339)

          For all time, fuck nVidia.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @03:57PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @03:57PM (#1160381)

            i don't understand this comment. nvidia has brought only happiness to humankind. also i think they were commited to support their hardware on linux since ..ohhh...over 15 years?
            maybe it wasn't as easy to get the "driverx loaded waaay-back then but maybe someone can go check if HP printer from HP (via hp provided code) or nvidia grafic cards (also with code) were ysable on linux first, eh?
            also one driver/installer to rule them all. and this is why they fear nvidia owning the non-leg: unified drivers for all the non-leg stuff (cpu, gpu, sensor-this, sensor-that, etc).
            the fear is if nvidia makes the new non-leg chipfamily (comprising of above) that one driver will be able to unlock all functions no matter which downstream manufacturer licenses the chip.
            so a showme with nvidia chip X and a wowway with chip X uses the same driver ... we can now get a generic-non-arm-linux kernel and that unified driver and voila another device has been saved from landfill (alas showme and wowway will have a bit less mana in their coffers or rather will have to wait longer for the same amount).
            ?

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by HammeredGlass on Tuesday July 27 2021, @04:12PM (3 children)

              by HammeredGlass (12241) on Tuesday July 27 2021, @04:12PM (#1160392)

              Do you English, motherfucker!?

              But seriously, from PureVideo lies to PhysX theft to oodles of proprietary standards that make everything more expensive.

              Fuck nVidia forever.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @09:52PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 27 2021, @09:52PM (#1160480)

                When prices go up, demand a raise.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 28 2021, @09:41PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 28 2021, @09:41PM (#1160791)

                All that being true, the next time I go shopping for a new graphics card, it's still going to be an nVidia card. ATI (pre-AMD) fucked linux users around for far too long, and while granted post-AMD the software situation is worlds-better (My laptop's got one, no major complaints from me about it), nVidia on linux has Always, for me, 'just worked'.

                • (Score: 2) by HammeredGlass on Thursday July 29 2021, @12:48AM

                  by HammeredGlass (12241) on Thursday July 29 2021, @12:48AM (#1160830)

                  So you're going to go with the company that has gotten more evil over time instead of the company that gotten less evil over time?

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