FDA aiming to give final approval to Pfizer vaccine by early next month -NY Times:
WASHINGTON, Aug 3 (Reuters) - The U.S. Food and Drug Administration is aiming to give full approval for the Pfizer (PFE.N) COVID vaccine by early September, the New York Times reported on Tuesday, citing people involved in the effort.
The FDA gave emergency use authorization to the Pfizer vaccine late last year. Full approval by the FDA could push more Americans to get the COVID-19 vaccine as it might reduce their fears about the safety of the shot.
The agency's unofficial deadline for the approval is the Sept. 6 Labor Day holiday, the Times said.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:44AM (11 children)
By now I think more than a billion(s?) doses have been administered with close monitoring.
Of course, can't tell if there are any long-term side effects since it's been less than a year.
Still, one of the most tested vaccines.
Kudos to the researchers.
But stop gauging the world - they've been raising the price since countries are amping up to secure additional doses for booster shots.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Flyingmoose on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:11PM (9 children)
“Long-term side effects” don’t really work that way. In almost all cases, they’re effects that start fairly quickly (within 2 weeks or so) and then last a long time. They’re not invisible for a long time and then appear out of nowhere years later.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:17PM (8 children)
Almost all is almost good enough for me.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Flyingmoose on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:21PM (7 children)
COVID has long-term effects fairly often, so if that’s what you’re worried about, you should get the vaccine.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:52PM (6 children)
With both the vaccine and with COVID, we don't really know that the "long term effects" are permanent. Well, usually. Dying is permanent, and "Brain fog" can cause you to make stupid decisions that have permanent effects, etc. It's hard to check on kidney damage, and there's generally considerable overcapacity until one is quite old, so we don't know what to expect there. It's possible that people will start needing dialysis sooner and in large numbers. (And dialysis isn't only inconvenient, it frequently leads to infections that are fatal.) Etc.
We do know that the detectable after effects are *much* more common from COVID than from the vaccine. And that effects lasting 6 months are not that rare.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @03:29PM (4 children)
Get vaccinated. Wear a N95 or similar mask. Limit indoor activities with groups. Do not stop for a non-essential chat with your neighbors or travel further than 5 km from your home for non-essential activities .
It's not that hard, but apparently that is still too much for some people so they make up side effects instead.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:18PM (1 child)
Damn, even that's above what I would consider necessary.
Get vaxxed and maybe wear a normal mask in crowded indoor areas or per the new CDC guidelines.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @08:32PM
There are only five reasons for leaving home: getting groceries and supplies, exercise, care or caregiving, authorised work or education that cannot be done from home and getting vaccinated
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:43PM
teletubbies was not an instruction manual, slave!
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday August 05 2021, @08:41PM
That's how you show group political allegiance. But does it actually work? Work at reducing the spread not work at showing personal allegiance. It seems not...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:38PM
Bottled water with baking soda added to make it taste good gets the job done of damaging kidneys just fine. No COVID-19 needed.
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:39PM
Vsafe was polling me regularly about my health post-vaccination. The Phase 3 trials for Pfizer and Moderna vaccinated 50,000 people between them and compared them to a control group, so we knew about fraction of a percent reactions. Now we're picking up "per million" signals.
But hey, if the FDA going through hundreds of thousands of pages of paperwork and visiting factories they're already supervising inspires people to get vaccinated, that is a good thing.
(Score: 2, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:54AM (24 children)
Next?
Taking a wild guess, I'd bet on the epsilon variant [firstpost.com], dodging the current vaccines in 70% of the cases.
Fun facts:
1. nurtured in South California [jamanetwork.com] since Oct 2020
2. "accounted for 35% (86 of 247) and 44% (37 of 85) of all samples collected in January, respectively" (collection from California)
3. out-competed until now by the more virulent strains
4. starting to make progress in Pakistan [dnaindia.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:08AM (20 children)
pretty clueless about vaccines, but I'm told one advantage of mRNA vaccines is that it's relatively easy to tweak the genomic sequences to adapt the vaccine for new variants.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:18AM (17 children)
That's probably true, but tweaking the genomic sequences makes from it a different vaccine.
Which should go on through testing over times in the same ballpark as the current ones went through - I wouldn't bet for shorter times than 6 months (given that the previous one took about 9mo to reach the preliminary approval).
Granted, scaling it into production should be a lot faster.
(my point: adjust your expectations, unless you enjoy being disappointed. 6mo is a long time during a pandemic, lots can and will change during this time)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:36AM (1 child)
But in the long term, success of mRNA vaccines is a great news.
We know there will be more and more virusi(es?) with potential to create epidemic/pandemic in this globalized age. With successful mRNA vaccines, we would be able to develop vaccines for new virus much quicker than the decades it took before, not to mention the signal to the Big Pharmas that vaccine development is a profitable business.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @07:42AM
I do not deny that.
The reason for my comment was to point out what a covid variant resistant to current vaccines means, here and now.
Not as worse as "we don't have any defense" but equally not "no worries, tomorrow I can get another shot at the chemist shop at the corner"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @10:58AM (1 child)
That's not how it works. Once they get one approved, it is much easier to get subsequent ones approved. They no longer have to prove anything about the identical secondary ingredients, manufacturing process, etc. and can focus on the sequence's efficacy and safety alone, which is a much lower bar. It is similar to the flu vaccines where they don't have to start from ground zero all over again.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @11:19AM
Finding volunteers, getting your testing protocols on the move, waiting for results, crunching numbers, convincing a bunch of specialized bureaucrats.
My 6mo is a feeling of uneducated guts. Won't be years, but I don't think one can do it in weeks.
Unlike flu vaccines, this would be only the seconds strain to design a vaccine for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Flyingmoose on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:13PM (8 children)
Honest question: They update the flu vaccine every year, does it have to be re-approved each time?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:18PM
They got to approve it after some tens of iterations. Would you risk to do the same based on 1 success only?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:03PM
I haven't read this yet but it looks like it will give you more answers than you really want :-)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4947948/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:22PM
Yes, it gets re-approved annually to the same basic standard as all other vaccines. [nih.gov]
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Thursday August 05 2021, @08:53PM (4 children)
Speaking of the flu vaccine, even after decades of experience Big Brother himself says its only effective 2/3 of the time.
The covid vaccine is so effective, that countries are locking down and masks are back on. Also everyone needs to take the vax because the vax does not work, or something like that.
If 97% of covid deaths so far were in people over age 50, what are the stats looking like for the much propagandized delta? More people in my age group die in car accidents; I'm far better off not drinking and wearing my seatbelt than I am getting vax'd.
Looking at CDC's own figures, the death count seems to be imploding with delta.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities [cdc.gov]
(Score: 2) by helel on Thursday August 05 2021, @09:25PM (3 children)
This might be a radical concept but you could stop drinking, wear your seatbelt, and get vax'd!
I know, I was also blown away when I found out this isn't a classic engineering "choose two" scenario.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday August 05 2021, @10:16PM (2 children)
True. Although 1 out of three has some pretty negative side effects in my age range, worse than the virus.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @11:59PM (1 child)
“Worse than the virus”
Citation sorely needed. Chances are if you think the side effects of the vaccine are worse (in any age group), you haven’t actually read the current medical studies on COVID. There are lots of documented serious side effects on COVID that don’t get reported in the mainstream media as much because of all the death and ventilators and such. In recent months when various side effects of the vaccine were covered in news articles, I’d do a search for medical journal articles on the same conditions and inevitably find risk of the same thing from COVID was 10 or 100 or 1000 times greater... it’s just that the media isn’t focused on reporting that.
Use your media skepticism, VLM! Here it might actually save your life (or at least avoid terrible COVID side effects). The truth is out there!
(Score: 2) by helel on Friday August 06 2021, @03:06AM
I thought VLM meant that they suffer alcohol dependance. Withdrawal can literally kill you!
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @01:59PM (2 children)
OTOH, a virus escape is probably only going to be partial. This will mean (based on current information) that those vaccinated will still have relatively mild cases, and this is probably also true of those recovered from a prior infection, though perhaps less so. (Several corona viruses have tricks that weaken the immune system's permanent response.)
So this won't be "The Pandemic: The Sequel", but more like a bad strain of the flu...because there'll already be a lot of partial immunity.
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @02:21PM (1 child)
Likely true, but no 100% warranties.
It may be so only after most (if not all) of the people will get the full set of proteins of one of the real-deal variants (and survive).
Until then, I reckon it's a matter of luck what each of their immune system learned from a vaccine and what it chose to remember over a timespan encompassing 2-3 variants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @07:39PM
Well, yes. There are lots of variations, including some diseases where an immunity to one strain can make another strain a *LOT* worse. But there's no signs of that so far with COVID.
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(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:42PM
The FDA has already signaled that they won't start from scratch on approval for a vaccine with the same lipid coat, same dosage, same manufacturing process, and a few differences in the RNA sequence. They say it will be more like approving each year's flu vaccine.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:34AM (1 child)
Tweaking it will just result in a different variant out-competting the one you are tweaking against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:39AM
You've got a better idea, smart AC?
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:54PM (1 child)
Now you've got me curious. Is dodging the vaccines defined as establishing a detectable infection, or as giving someone symptoms, or as a severe or hospitalized case?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @11:33PM
I'd go with the first atm.
We may not yet have enough statistics about how the variant impacts a larger population, simply because the more infectious strains too over.
Incidentally, the above implies that those who got it from other variants developed immunity to epsilon over a time long enough to drive epsilon into extinction in California.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:40PM
Does resistance to antibodies produced by immunization actually provide a clear advantage to the virus? That's far from certain. There are other immune responses to vaccines, such as t-cells, so antibody resistance may not provide all that much of an advantage.
So far, it seems like the variants that have spread widely are those that are more transmissible. This is achieved through changes to the spike protein. It's not particularly well understood why some changes to the spike protein seem to be particularly advantageous to the virus while others are not. It may well be that changes to the spike protein that make the virus more transmissible have the ancillary benefit of making it more difficult for existing antibodies to bind to the spike protein. But it doesn't seem like vaccine resistance necessarily provides a clear evolutionary benefit to the virus.
Sure, the spike protein could change enough to completely evade vaccines. Those changes might also make it more difficult or impossible to bind to human cells. It's also not necessarily beneficial to the virus to infect vaccinated people when there are plenty of unvaccinated people who can readily be infected. That may change if a much larger portion of the population was vaccinated, but it would also greatly reduce the opportunity for such a mutation to arise.
We need herd immunity against misinformation and to get people vaccinated. There's zero excuse that cases have surged again in the United States.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:59AM (1 child)
Will this approval cover or accelerate approval for their booster shot? Not sure how the FDA handles stuff like this for vaccines -- whether it's chemically the same and/or approved for differently prescribed (e.g., booster) dosing?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:59PM
I have read, and I don't know enough to size up the credibility, that full approval allows doctors to prescribe things off-label. If that's right, then it will be easier to get third shots after full approval.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:02AM (26 children)
The sort of people who refuse vaccination believe in conspiracy theories and pseudo-science, and they're interpreting the FDA's emergency approval as something nefarious. All they're gonna read into the final approval is an attempt to trick them into accepting the shot. It's not like they trust the FDA.
The only thing that'll convince anti-vaxxers is someone close to them dying of the virus, or they themselves getting sick - by which point, vaccination becomes moot.
(Score: 2) by krishnoid on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:37AM (7 children)
*Does* that convince them? I see a few stories in the news about it, but ... ?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:47AM
You read the "NEWS"? Whew wheee boyz, we got us a FREE THINKER!
(Score: 5, Informative) by sjames on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:50AM (5 children)
It apparently convinces most but I did see one idiot doubling down on refusing the vaccine when he was interviewed shortly after getting off of the ventilator.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Username on Thursday August 05 2021, @10:25AM (2 children)
You would think a person who refused the vaccine would refuse the ventilator as well. At least it would be consistent. Not really sure why that person even went to hospital.
It does make sense to refuse a treatment that artificially creates immunity when you already have natural immunity. I don't know of any doctor that would give you the vaccine when you have or had covid19. They make you wait a couple months. Though I'm sure there are some greedy Anthony Fauci type doctors out there, willing to prescribe anything that lines their pockets with money.
(Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday August 05 2021, @10:50AM
Naturally it makes sense to wait a bit since the last thing you need during recovery from COVID is to poke the immune system again, but the guy was indicating he was not ever going to agree to the vaccine.
After that, it makes perfect sense given indications that the immunity from the vaccine is less specific to a particular strain and is stronger.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @03:56PM
These guys disagree with you. [cdc.gov] Under, If I have already had COVID-19 and recovered, do I still need to get vaccinated with a COVID-19 vaccine?:
Say, do you have any actual evidence that Fauci is getting rich off of COVID vaccines? And, no, merely being an author on government patents does not necessarily mean he is enriching himself off of mRNA technologies. I would like to see some real evidence. I'm going to lay my cards on the table right now and predict that you have no such evidence.
(Score: 5, Funny) by GlennC on Thursday August 05 2021, @12:59PM
If he had refused the vaccine, I would have refused him the ventilator.
I guess that's one reason why I'm not in healthcare.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:25PM
it's pretty funny watching cowardly slaves who do whatever the TV tells them to do calling others idiots. you're not a man. you're a weaponized zombie and you will be dispatched as such when your hordes leave the remaining free humans no choice.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:44AM (2 children)
If I take the shot (it is not a vaccine), and have a terrible reaction, dying in agony after two week hospital stay and hundreads of thousands in medical bills, how will you make it right for my family (since obviously you cannot make it right for me)?
Nope, that would not work. I suspected, and latest data confirms this, that the mRNA cocktail does diddly squat to prevent infection and transmission. At most it is a way to mitigate reaction to the spike protein by overloading your system with it. I beleive I have had Covid in early 2020, and while it put me on my ass for a day, ultimately my immune system kicked its ass. If I die of the virus (which mind you would be extremely unlikely given my young age and general health) I would be confident the shitty genetic cocktail would not have made a difference.
Now if this new variant is not a midterm scare-tactic, and is lethal to the young and healthy, then I will wait for an actual vaccine that works in terms of prevention of infection and transmission, while shunning the outside world. I will probably also stock up on some antiviral medication, just to hedge my bets.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by krishnoid on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:05AM
Dying of the virus isn't necessarily the worst outcome [cdc.gov].
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @02:07PM
You didn't cite your sources, so I don't believe your claims. While saying this, I must acknowledge that I often don't cite my sources, so it's not a good basis for decision, but neither is believing the claims of ANY poster on the internet. And for web pages one must be skeptical, as all that's required to put up a web page is taht someone be willing to pay for it and maintain it. But web pages can establish a track record.
(FWIW the reason that I often don't cite my sources are various, but commonly it's because there were in print media that, due to their track record, I tend to give a certain amount of credence to. And these generally disagree with your assertion that "data confirms this, that the mRNA cocktail does diddly squat to prevent infection and transmission ". They argree that they are far from perfect, but that's a VERY different assessment.
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(Score: 2, Disagree) by The Vocal Minority on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:00AM
Because the straw man you enumerate does not represent all instances of vaccine hesitancy in that country, and probably not even the majority.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @07:38AM (8 children)
Why does the approval need to be about convincing anti-vaxxers?
Why cannot it be about "it has been a year since we started to test it on humans and so far the data doesn't show new negative effects that we haven't learned until now"?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @02:11PM (4 children)
The desire is to reduce the reservoir of active cases in the population, so we want to get as large a percentage of the population as possible immunized. Even if they still get sick they'll get milder cases and (probably) be less likely to spread it on. (That last part is a bit dubious, and I've read arguments both ways, but seen no good data.)
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(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday August 05 2021, @02:24PM (1 child)
Still, it is not incompatible with "we have enough data to say the vaccine is mostly safe".
Not like it's an either or between "I have a desire" and "the vaccine is already proved safe".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 05 2021, @07:49PM
The question being addressed was "Why does the approval need to be about convincing anti-vaxxers?", not whether the vaccine was "mostly safe". It's been known to be "mostly safe" ever since the phase 1 trials were completed. Phase 2 addressed effectiveness, and picked up more safety data. Phase 3 was about catching rare instances of "not safe in this unusual circumstance". And it's impossible, even in theory, to show that it's completely safe. *Water* isn't completely safe.
Since mass vaccination started we've been finding "1 in a million" circumstances where the vaccine is unsafe, and so far they've been readily treatable with proper care. (Of course, that means you need to know what "proper care" is. Sometimes it's down-regulating the immune system.)
Caution: I am not a medic or medical chemist. (OTOH, this is available general knowledge from multiple reliable sources.)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:25PM
Binary thinking will be the death of humanity. Death is not the only possible horrible outcome of this disease.
Keep in mind that "mild" cases include permanent life-altering disabilities. If you know any old people, ask them about polio. Polio didn't kill that many people. But those that it didn't, did not escape unscathed. My mother's priest had to learn to walk three times in his life.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:32PM
Mind your own business, you piece of shit. Make a vaccine that works and take it yourself and shut the fuck up!
You stupid authoritarian bitches are going to get a lot of people killed.
I don't think these bolshevik larpers realize the hell that will be unleashed when this cold civil war goes hot. The jew financiers of this takeover do though. That's what they want. Millions of dead Whites and a UN "rescued" "country".
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:54PM (2 children)
Just as a side note from a 20 year nurse...
Re: "reservoir of active cases"
Never before (until COVID) in the history of Western medicine has a positive test result been considered a "case".
A "case" is when you need to see a doctor, and they have to write stuff down. That's a case.
Asymptomatic positive test results are literally meaningless. The FDA is withdrawing the PCR "test" Dec 31st because it can't
tell the difference between influenza and COVID. The man who invented the PCR "test" stated they were not meant for the diagnosis of anything.
The amount of money involved in all this for hospital systems and drug companies is astronomical.
In light of the money, all the lies we have been fed make perfect sense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:37PM
oh noes! conspiracy theorist anti-science hate criminal!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 07 2021, @06:30AM
There are plenty of case definitions where a positive test result counts as a "case" as are case definitions consisting solely of signs. Hopefully you are not an NP since you don't know the basics of the diagnostic process. But you are more likely just a troll given all the other misinformation in your post.
(Score: 2) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday August 05 2021, @04:48PM (3 children)
It's a diverse lot, and polls show a slice of the non-vaccinated who at least claim that they'll get it with full approval. I hope they follow through.
The Phase 3 trials convinced me, but I think few people in the country know how to recognize a well conducted experiment.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday August 05 2021, @05:33PM (2 children)
I think it does provide an offramp for the only-half-crazy as well as the cynical liars.
For the "hesitant" it allows them to concede the point without any cognitive dissonance or whatever it is that causes people to double down on incorrect beliefs.*
And for the cynical liars who need their suckers to be alive they can claim they were just holding out for approval all along.
*and for the record, waiting for full approval isn't crazy per-se but my personal hunch is that most of the people using it as an excuse are not doing so in good faith
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 05 2021, @06:40PM (1 child)
Yep. I'm predicting a massive shift of goalposts when the Pfizer vaccine is given final approval. Remember, you saw it here first!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 07 2021, @10:43AM
My family members are already beginning to do that preemptively. Pinning them down on exactly why they don't want the vaccine is impossible since they don't have an opinion based on fact but a belief based on feelings. Then there is the outright contradictions, such as COVID being simultaneously a hoax and something China should pay us reparations for unleashing, and the hypocrites, such as wearing masks doesn't prevent you from getting the virus but we require them if you visit our house so we don't catch the vaccine! The best part is when they project the fact that their own actions are based out of fear (even they are admitting to acting in fear) onto others as if no one does a rational cost-benefit analysis.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by darkfeline on Thursday August 05 2021, @10:07PM
Meanwhile, the sort of people who make broad generalizations and see the world as black and white are primarily responsible for the hyper polarization of US politics and many of the resulting issues. The other culprit is of course the mainstream media who rely on it to stay afloat financially.
It's us versus them baby.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 07 2021, @03:11AM
Take the shots, citizen!