Apple Warns Against Mounting iPhones to Motorcycles
Apple warns against mounting iPhones to motorcycles:
This has gotta be one of the weirdest ways you can ruin an iPhone camera.
Apple posted a new page to its support website warning iPhone owners to be careful about exposing their phones to the specific vibration frequencies found in "high-power or high-volume motorcycle engine." News of the support page first popped up in a report from MacRumors.
Apparently, operating these phones too close to those engines can fry the cameras in iPhones with optical image stabilization (OIS) or closed-loop autofocus (AF) technology. Every iPhone from the 7 onward has at least one of those things inside it, so if you've bought an iPhone in the past four or five years, it could potentially be at risk.
Exposure to Vibrations, Like Those Generated by High-powered Motorcycle Engines, Might Impact iPhone
The iPhone camera helps you take great photos in any situation—from everyday moments to studio-quality portraits. The advanced camera systems in some iPhone models include technology like optical image stabilization and closed-loop autofocus to help you capture great photos even in difficult conditions. These systems work to automatically counteract movement, vibrations, and the effects of gravity to let you focus on taking a great shot.
[...] The OIS and closed-loop AF systems in iPhone are designed for durability. However, as is the case with many consumer electronics that include systems like OIS, long-term direct exposure to high-amplitude vibrations within certain frequency ranges may degrade the performance of these systems and lead to reduced image quality for photos and videos. It is recommended to avoid exposing your iPhone to extended high-amplitude vibrations.
High-power or high-volume motorcycle engines generate intense high-amplitude vibrations, which are transmitted through the chassis and handlebars. It is not recommended to attach your iPhone to motorcycles with high-power or high-volume engines due to the amplitude of the vibration in certain frequency ranges that they generate. Attaching your iPhone to vehicles with small-volume or electric engines, such as mopeds and scooters, may lead to comparatively lower-amplitude vibrations, but if you do so a vibration dampening mount is recommended to lessen the risk of damage to your iPhone and its OIS and AF systems. It is also recommended to avoid regular use for prolonged periods to further lessen the risk of damage.
Also at engadget [engadget.com].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:15PM (2 children)
one wonder what type of unholy progeny can result from an iphone rutting a motorcycle.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:54PM
The posermobile mating with the poserphone should produce nonviable offspring, or at least ones too retarded to propagate the poser gene.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Farmer Tim on Monday September 13 2021, @10:35AM
Came for the news, stayed for the soap opera.
(Score: 5, Informative) by lars on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:15PM (6 children)
I've heard about this issue for a few years on motorcycle forums. Just looking at the videos taken by handlebar mounted phones, you can see everything go blurry when the engine revs. All phones with OIS seem affected. This is why GoPro action cams only use software video stabilization, even when OIS would have looked better since they tend to get exposed to much more vibration than most phones/cameras.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:21PM (3 children)
Aren't most GoPros mounted to the helmet? You've got a good bit of meat insulating the GoPro from the engine vibrations with that kind of a mount. Mounting anything solidly to any part of the frame guarantees that it will be vibrated mercilessly.
I'm not arguing that the software makes a difference, merely pointing out that iPhone and GoPro mounts are quite different from each other.
(Score: 2) by DavePolaschek on Sunday September 12 2021, @08:46PM
Many folks tried to mount cameras (especially GoPros) to the handlebars, windshield, and all sorts of various things when the cameras were new. Helmet-mount quickly became the standard for a few reasons: theft of the cam, because you usually take your helmet with; crash survivability, because if you leave the bike due to falling down, your helmet frequently is one of the less damaged things; and because of vibration, though the handlebars on some dual sports are about as vibration-free as the helmet, and are less likely to point in directions the bike isn’t going.
But yeah, helmet mount is good fit a lot of reasons. Bike-mounted is better for power (especially back before batteries got as good as they are today). And with dampers (weights to change the resonant frequency), handlebar-mounted can be better, but that’s more fiddly.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Monday September 13 2021, @05:54AM
I bought a spare tank off eBay that had a camera mount at the top of the tank just behind the windscreen. The tank is isolated from the frame with rubber grommets. I imagine it’s a common location on this type of bike. The view is a little low but it’s protected at least.
(Score: 2) by lars on Monday September 13 2021, @01:41PM
I had mine handlebar mounted initially, but use a top helmet mount now. My reason for changing was the vibration. They do have plenty of handlebar mounts for GoPros, but I think they are more oriented for bicycles. Mine being a motocross bike with a single cylinder and rigid engine mounts is particularly bad for vibrations. I'm thinking of going with a chest mount as it shows the bike for context, so things look less like they are floating. I've had the camera knocked back when going under low branches, so a side helmet mount might work better than a top mount.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:58PM (1 child)
I would doubt software stabilization would work at all-- having done it myself, the vibrations at ~1500 rpm/25 Hz were a divisor of the same rate that CMOS sensors download (100Hz?). It was Strobe-tastic.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday September 12 2021, @08:23PM
If your right, software stabilization shouldn't yield a good image in the specified scenario. It still shouldn't wreck the camera.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by John Bresnahan on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:25PM (4 children)
N/T
(Score: 5, Funny) by krishnoid on Sunday September 12 2021, @09:02PM
In that vein, I see the weird way to damage autofocus/stabilization, and raise attaching it to an actual vibrator.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Sunday September 12 2021, @09:11PM (2 children)
Maybe it'll be fine if your motorcycle has an inline-6 engine.
(Score: 2) by Fnord666 on Monday September 13 2021, @01:04PM (1 child)
Like these [rideapart.com]?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by shortscreen on Monday September 13 2021, @10:44PM
Yes.
Long answer:
1) Inline-6 (and flat-6) are known for having lesser vibrations.
2) An expensive, hard-to-get product fits perfectly as an Apple accessory.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by SomeGuy on Sunday September 12 2021, @07:43PM (11 children)
Cool. Other fun ways to destroy stupid iPhones include:
Sledge hammer
Run over with car
Throw out of 40th story window
Chain gun
Deep fried
Charge of 1,000,000 volts
and many, many, more!
(Score: 3, Funny) by RamiK on Sunday September 12 2021, @08:22PM (7 children)
Missed a classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWqw5SpITg8 [youtube.com]
Bonus question: Anyone care to guess my secret rice curry ingredient? Hint: It's not an iphone...
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @08:25PM (5 children)
Blended rice?
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:11PM (4 children)
Nope. Though Asian make cookie dough with bleded cooked rice so that one is on me.
Another hint: It's used in moderation.
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(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:31PM (3 children)
Ummm, your mom?
(Score: 1, Spam) by RamiK on Monday September 13 2021, @02:16PM (2 children)
Well, there was that one time with an rusty ol' can opener and an overly eager kitten out to prove human legs are just as good as scratch posts...
But no. Oh, and the above was a hint too.
Regardless, to cut short and spare us all another yo momma joke when I'm already well within the dad realm of comedy:
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 14 2021, @04:41AM (1 child)
Modded spam. Worth the 30 day ban....
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Tuesday September 14 2021, @10:30AM
Yup :)
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(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:40PM
Another classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JYfLgsu1sQ [youtube.com]
(Score: 3, Touché) by sjames on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:04PM
You left out use it on a humid day (according to Apple and their "moisture" sensors) or hold it wrong.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:33PM
Or exposure to helium:
https://9to5mac.com/2018/10/31/helium-bricks-iphone-apple-watch/#:~:text=Exposing%20iPhone%20to%20environments%20having,damage%20or%20impair%20iPhone%20functionality.&text=The%20helium%20must%20fully%20dissipate,fully%20discharge%20in%20the%20process. [9to5mac.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 13 2021, @07:09PM
Flamebait, flamebait, flamebait! You insulted my pwecious wittle iPhone! Boooo hoooo!111 Accept the great Apple Steve Jobs way and become a good little nig just like the rest of us! iPhomes are great! All praise iPhones!
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Snotnose on Sunday September 12 2021, @08:49PM (12 children)
Funny, last night I watched a YouTube video of some motorcycle guy with a gopro on his helmet. Freeway stop and go traffic, this guy is doing about 30 MPH lane splitting and cutting in and out of traffic. The inevitable happens, someone in a car changes lanes via the lane the poster was splitting, nails the driver side door, rolls around a bit. Then gets up and starts cussing out the car driver.
The dude posting the video was clearly at fault but, even after watching the video of himself, clearly felt he was in the clear for driving like an asshole and paying the price.
Why shouldn't we judge a book by it's cover? It's got the author, title, and a summary of what the book's about.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @09:07PM (4 children)
Some states in the US actually permit motorcycles to legally ride in between highway lanes. I guess that's another way to keep the number of motorcycles riders under control.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by EvilSS on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:54PM (3 children)
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:00PM
Freedom! Oh wait, you said CA. That's where the commie-fascists live ain't it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 13 2021, @03:29AM (1 child)
You err. It is not illegal in Texas. There is simply no law that makes it illegal, nor is there one that makes it legal. Multiple attempts to create a law that explicitly makes it legal have failed. But, you can't get a ticket for violating a law that doesn't exist. However, if a cop sees you, and believes that you are driving recklessly, he will give you a ticket for reckless driving. Depending on whether you were being a real ass, you might beat it in court.
I'm not sure if there are other states with the same legal conundrum. But, you're right in that California is the only state with a law that makes it LEGAL.
(Score: 3, Informative) by EvilSS on Monday September 13 2021, @05:38PM
https://www.statesman.com/story/sponsor-story/thomas-henry/2021/05/26/lane-splitting-hotly-contested-among-motorcyclists-but-legal/5173040001/ [statesman.com]
https://www.arnolditkin.com/blog/motor-vehicle-accidents/is-lane-splitting-legal-in-texas-/
https://www.fibichlaw.com/blog/is-lane-splitting-legal-in-texas-in-2020/ [fibichlaw.com]
https://www.houstoncaraccidentlawyers.org/is-lane-splitting-legal-in-texas/ [houstoncaraccidentlawyers.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @10:07PM (6 children)
I would have to see the video in question to form an opinion about who is right and who is wrong.
You do realize that stop and go congestion does not relieve you of checking your mirrors before changing lanes?
That isn't especially clear. Do you mean that he was moving 30 mph faster than traffic was going? Or, do you mean he was going 30 mph while traffic around him moved in spits and spurts?
https://www.rodriguezlaw.net/lane-splitting-in-california/ [rodriguezlaw.net]
So, I can't jump to the conclusion that the lane splitter is at fault - nor can I jump to a conclusion that the 4-wheeler is at fault. I've seen it done properly, and I've seen it done recklessly. Every case has to be evaluated on it's own merits.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:37PM (1 child)
you really don't have to see the video. lane splitting is dangerous enough when traffic is stopped or crawling, but at 30mph (even if it is 20,30 or 30,40 differences) the fault would nearly always be shared.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 13 2021, @03:06PM
It's less dangerous than being in that sort of traffic. You shouldn't be riding more than a few mph faster than traffic, but between heat stroke during summer and being rear ended any time of year, lane splitting jus definitely safer over all.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Sunday September 12 2021, @11:42PM (3 children)
"Stop and go" = traffic was ~motionless. He was going 30mph.
Did you read the entire article you linked?
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 13 2021, @03:42AM (2 children)
I think the point is that legally, in California, there is no limit besides the posted speed limit. So talking about this speed in terms of who is legally culpable doesn't seem to matter. And I doubt you want to use the CHP as an example of how to split your motorcycle on the freeway. I've been passed by CHP splitting at over 90mph in free moving traffic and well over 10mph faster in stop and go traffic. Most of the time I have to get out of the way of the CHP because they split at such high speed.
Remove the element of splitting (which we've established is legal and isn't legally bound to certain speeds besides the posted speed limit) and consider a different scenario where a motorcycle is moving quickly in one lane when a car in a slower lane pulls in front the motorcycle in such a way that a collision is unavoidable. Legally speaking I believe the person making the lane change and causing the collision is at fault, regardless of how fast the motorcycle was going (up to the legal speed limit).
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Monday September 13 2021, @04:46AM (1 child)
My overarching point is that, regardless of who is technically legally at fault, it is a dumbass idea to do in the first place, to go roaring up the line of basically parked cars, at 30mph (well okay, "roaring"...but still). Because each car you pass, the probability that one of them will do something unexpected ticks up with every one you pass.* And just the fact that this entire thing is illegal in every state *except* California is rather telling, isn't it? (Although personally, if told it were only legal in one state, I would've guessed Texas.)
Yes, even people in authority can be idiot drivers. You don't have to tell me; I live in Milwaukee* and the commuter highways are notionally 55mph speed limits...but of course most people completely ignore that. Just yesterday, I got passed by somebody who had to have been going at least 85 (I'll admit, I'm a bit of a leadfoot myself, but prevailing conditions; I'm not completely crazy).
Do they not have the lane-width shoulders on the highways in CA? Near me I usually see the po-po cruising up the shoulder lane. Although we don't really have any motorcycle cops out here that I can recall.
See above.
*My motto since a year or two after moving out here is, "Assume at all times that any arbitrary driver you encounter on the road is purposely trying to hit you. If you assume everybody else is driving like a complete moron, you're significantly less likely to be surprised when you find somebody who actually is." The most common applications in my day-to-day life are when you're trying to turn onto a road and somebody decides to change-right into the curb lane right before you pull out, or somebody blows through an intersection in a turn-only lane. Aside from people just being dicks when you're trying to merge onto the freeway ofc.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 13 2021, @05:58AM
No one in their right mind drives on the breakdown lane, least of all motorcyclists. Every bit of trash that falls from (or is thrown from) passing traffic ends up in that breakdown lane. Small nuts and bolts, discarded snacks, broken glass and plastics, items of all description that fall off of trucks with unsecured loads, larger parts from collisions, purposely emptied trash containers, roadkill, mowing and pruning debris along with landscaping debris, and debris from construction/maintenance crews. Only in a real emergency would I consider riding on the shoulder for any distance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 13 2021, @08:11AM
I use my iPhone when motorcycling for mapping. The biggest problem is it throwing an overheat warning when I keep it in my tank bag's clear plastic sleeve. I would wear it in a jogger's sleeve band which worked, but I now put it inside my tank bag to record my track and stop and check if I get lost.
Camera recording I do with a gopro, either mounted to the handlebar with a lot of post processing to remove vibrations, or mounted on my chest for much less vibrations. Never would mount it to my helmet, as I think it would be a dangerous point load if I crashed.