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posted by martyb on Monday September 20 2021, @10:42AM   Printer-friendly

The Scientist and the A.I.-Assisted, Remote-Control Killing Machine

If Israel was going to kill a top Iranian official [Mohsen Fakhrizadeh[*]], an act that had the potential to start a war, it needed the assent and protection of the United States. That meant acting before Mr. Biden could take office. In Mr. Netanyahu's best-case scenario, the assassination would derail any chance of resurrecting the nuclear agreement even if Mr. Biden won.

[...] A killer robot profoundly changes the calculus for the Mossad. The organization has a longstanding rule that if there is no rescue, there is no operation, meaning a foolproof plan to get the operatives out safely is essential. Having no agents in the field tips the equation in favor of the operation.

[...] [The] machine gun, the robot, its components and accessories together weigh about a ton. So the equipment was broken down into its smallest possible parts and smuggled into the country piece by piece, in various ways, routes and times, then secretly reassembled in Iran.

The robot was built to fit in the bed of a Zamyad pickup, a common model in Iran. Cameras pointing in multiple directions were mounted on the truck to give the command room a full picture not just of the target and his security detail, but of the surrounding environment. Finally, the truck was packed with explosives so it could be blown to bits after the kill, destroying all evidence. There were further complications in firing the weapon. A machine gun mounted on a truck, even a parked one, will shake after each shot's recoil, changing the trajectory of subsequent bullets.

[...] The time it took for the camera images to reach the sniper and for the sniper's response to reach the machine gun, not including his reaction time, was estimated to be 1.6 seconds, enough of a lag for the best-aimed shot to go astray. The A.I. was programmed to compensate for the delay, the shake and the car's speed.

[...] The entire operation took less than a minute. Fifteen bullets were fired. Iranian investigators noted that not one of them hit [Mohsen Fakhrizadeh's wife] Ms. Ghasemi, seated inches away, accuracy that they attributed to the use of facial recognition software.

[*] Mohsen Fakhrizadeh died 27 November 2020.


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An Israeli defense contractor on Monday unveiled a remote-controlled armed robot it says can patrol battle zones, track infiltrators and open fire. The unmanned vehicle is the latest addition to the world of drone technology, which is rapidly reshaping the modern battlefield.

Proponents say such semi-autonomous machines allow armies to protect their soldiers, while critics fear this marks another dangerous step toward robots making life-or-death decisions.

The four-wheel-drive robot presented Monday in Lod was developed by the state-owned Israel Aerospace Industries’ “REX MKII.”

It is operated by an electronic tablet and can be equipped with two machine guns, cameras and sensors, said Rani Avni, deputy head of the company’s autonomous systems division. The robot can gather intelligence for ground troops, carry injured soldiers and supplies in and out of battle, and strike nearby targets.

It is the most advanced of more than half a dozen unmanned vehicles developed by Aerospace Industries’ subsidiary, ELTA Systems, over the past 15 years.

Several other sites carrying very similar stories:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/9/13/israeli-firm-introduces-armed-combat-drone-to-patrol-borders
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Previously: Israel Assassinated Iranian Nuclear Scientist Using a Remote-Controlled Machine Gun


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @11:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @11:45AM (#1179629)

    One slight upgrade of shooting bullets out of the air and I'm sold!

  • (Score: 2) by Frosty Piss on Monday September 20 2021, @12:33PM (6 children)

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Monday September 20 2021, @12:33PM (#1179635)

    This has been known and reported FOR MONTHS.

    • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Monday September 20 2021, @02:26PM (5 children)

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Monday September 20 2021, @02:26PM (#1179661)

      I would go as far as to say: this has been known and reported for YEARS. (It only depends on to whom)

      • (Score: 2) by Frosty Piss on Monday September 20 2021, @03:14PM (4 children)

        by Frosty Piss (4971) on Monday September 20 2021, @03:14PM (#1179683)

        It didn’t happen “years” ago.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:10PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:10PM (#1179845)

          Mossad has been systematically assassinating Iranian nuclear scientists for years. They used to assassinate Iraqi and Syrian nuclear scientists as well back when those countries had nuclear weapons programs. Hence shrewdsheep saying "(It only depends on to whom)". Mohsen Fakhrizadeh is just the latest casualty of a long cold war.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:53AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:53AM (#1179907)

            Canadians too.
            Gerard Bull. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerald_Bull [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 2) by Frosty Piss on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:26AM (1 child)

            by Frosty Piss (4971) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:26AM (#1179941)

            Not with remote control pickup machine guns.

            • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:20AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:20AM (#1179963)

              Was this not the final plot of "Breaking Bad"? Lab, automatic machine-gun trunk thingy, without the anti-semiticism, except from the bad guys.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @12:45PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @12:45PM (#1179638)

    Can we make the next post some article on AI ethics

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @01:18PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @01:18PM (#1179643)

      Or Jewish morality?

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @01:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @01:23PM (#1179644)

        Or Iranian morality?

      • (Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Monday September 20 2021, @01:25PM (4 children)

        by HammeredGlass (12241) on Monday September 20 2021, @01:25PM (#1179645)

        Gonna be an interesting thread if SN spits out an article on Jesus.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 20 2021, @02:40PM (3 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Monday September 20 2021, @02:40PM (#1179669) Journal

          The same people throwing around "hurr hurr duh JOOOOOOZ" will conveniently forget that The Naz wasn't, let's say for the sake of argument, a Mormon :D Amazing how these people work.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Monday September 20 2021, @01:31PM (5 children)

    by Opportunist (5545) on Monday September 20 2021, @01:31PM (#1179647)

    That would have been an atrocity!

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:38PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:38PM (#1179667)

      Blown to bits and fuck any civilians around. Now, the police should have been more thorough in investigating suspicious vehicles.

      Who is the ground crew in Iran, who drove the truck to its point of deployment and set up the gun? Jewish Iranians? If so, I am amazed at the Iranian government's restraint.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Monday September 20 2021, @07:52PM (2 children)

        by Opportunist (5545) on Monday September 20 2021, @07:52PM (#1179816)

        I'm more amazed that they just casually say "Yeah, we killed someone in another country 'cause we didn't like that asshole" and nobody considers this in any way a problem.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:54PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:54PM (#1179858)

          The US and Russia did it to each other during the Cold War. It often made the papers but very little actually came of it. This is more of the same.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Opportunist on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:09AM

            by Opportunist (5545) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:09AM (#1179885)

            To be honest, I can't remember an incident where they simply came out and bragged how they offed a top scientist of the other side.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:51PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @09:51PM (#1179855)

        It reads to me like thermite charges rather than conventional explosives. Those are much more effective at destroying evidence, not that the average reporter knows the difference. The emphasis on knowing the vehicle's surroundings suggests that they wanted to make sure that nobody was too close when it went off. Believe it or not, Mossad do try to minimize collateral damage from their surgical strikes. Note that his wife, who was right beside him, wasn't hit. Spraying the group would have been much easier and probably cheaper.

        The ground crew would be agents who either snuck across the border or were in the country on falsified paperwork, hence the comment in the summary about safe extraction. They go out of their way not to involve local Jewish communities in their operations for exactly the reason you state.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ElizabethGreene on Monday September 20 2021, @01:41PM (14 children)

    by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @01:41PM (#1179649) Journal

    if !(Bag.Contains(Cat)) {
    Bad guys are going to take notes on this, and we will see it again. Not for one-off super-careful assassinations, mind you; instead we'll see this technique scaled down and used in grocery store parking lots and little league parks with nice long sight lines.
    }

    Oof.

    • (Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Monday September 20 2021, @02:47PM (7 children)

      by MIRV888 (11376) on Monday September 20 2021, @02:47PM (#1179674)

      What he said. If I own a drone that can reach 5000' feet and travel miles with 4 pounds of cargo as I do. Well, you could use that in non-flying for fun ways.
      You want terminators?
      Because this is how you get terminators.

      • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Monday September 20 2021, @03:31PM

        by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @03:31PM (#1179691) Journal

        Before they were pulled down as "pro-isis propaganda" there were many videos of Isis using RC aircraft in exactly the way you describe. They started with little consumer units and then upsized to units that could carry and drop mortar rounds. Both fixed wing and rotorcraft, fwiw.

        E.g. https://www.thesun.ie/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2019/08/NINTCHDBPICT000304338660.jpg?strip=all&quality=100&w=1200&h=800&crop=1 [thesun.ie]

        (From the dark but funny article: Sun: Isis killed by drone bomb low-battery return to home [thesun.ie]. (Note: The Sun is not a reputable source.)

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday September 20 2021, @04:42PM (5 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @04:42PM (#1179725) Journal

        I own a drone that can reach 5000' feet and travel miles with 4 pounds of cargo

        Wouldn't that drain the drone's battery? How would you have enough battery capacity to get your drone back after delivering cargo?

        Amazon will want to know.

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        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by ElizabethGreene on Monday September 20 2021, @08:29PM (4 children)

          by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @08:29PM (#1179828) Journal

          I own a drone that can reach 5000' feet and travel miles with 4 pounds of cargo

          Wouldn't that drain the drone's battery? How would you have enough battery capacity to get your drone back after delivering cargo?

          Any 700 class heli should be able to easily pop out a couple of miles, loiter for a while, and get back. I've not seen one optimized for range; it would be interesting to see what they could do.

          • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:57AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:57AM (#1179973)

            Why would a Microsoft employee know so much about the potentials for weaponized drones? Asking for a friend, of course.

            • (Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday September 21 2021, @09:53AM

              by Marand (1081) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @09:53AM (#1180016) Journal

              Maybe they're planning a visit to Cupertino and want to be prepared.

            • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Wednesday September 22 2021, @03:44AM

              by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 22 2021, @03:44AM (#1180291) Journal

              The answer isn't as interesting as you'd hope. At a makerspace I met a guy and we worked through his idea to use a quad to place top ropes for climbers so people didn't have to place prot/bolts and deface the rock. After playing with the idea we found it to be technically feasible with a couple of caveats. The biggest one was the weight of the rope. We tested it in a climbing gym, hanging a thin line (unwaxed bank line) and using that to haul up the top rope. The hard part is clipping the top hard point(s) from a fidgety quad. Real rock top mounts are placed assuming that a highly dexterous tailless monkey with plenty of digits and opposable thumbs would be clipping in, not a 7-dof quadcopter with a carabiner on a stick being thrown around in the wind.

              Also it's annoyingly noisy and the quad+fpv+batteries is just more crap you have to haul out.

          • (Score: 2) by MIRV888 on Thursday September 23 2021, @04:25PM

            by MIRV888 (11376) on Thursday September 23 2021, @04:25PM (#1180766)

            Those 2nd Gen Mavic 2 is incredible. 26 minutes flight time depending on how you driver her. Collapsible for easy, discrete transport. Optical zo0m cams available with motion tracking and gimble stabilization. They cost a lot, but they are really nice. Now their balls are clipped because they require a cellular data connection to keep you out of restricted airspace. That will be the model going forward I suspect. Drones scale pretty well. So a delivery drone with range is doable, but the issue is automated flight. Just like driving, there's a million ways sh1t can go wrong. A serious issue is bird strikes. Hawks & Eagles do not like drones in their airspace and they will attack, ninja top gun style.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday September 20 2021, @03:42PM (4 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday September 20 2021, @03:42PM (#1179694)

      The only reason the killer robot weighed a ton and was so expensive were all the fail safes.

      A hobby level quad or hexacopter can deliver a servo aimable remote control gun of your choosing to a rooftop or other perch of your choosing, and a video "fpv" link can help make sure the target is lined up before firing. All this can be delivered and executed for an equipment cost well below $100k, for at least 7 years now.

      Personally, I would go with a grenade launcher, just to be sure... Second chances might be hard to come by.

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      • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:30PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:30PM (#1179715)

        Why didn't they just use the Jewish Space Lasers?

        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday September 20 2021, @04:43PM

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @04:43PM (#1179727) Journal

          Nobody wants to be the first one to start a war in space.

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday September 20 2021, @04:48PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @04:48PM (#1179730) Journal

          Why didn't they just use the Jewish Space Lasers?

          That is supposed to be SECRET Jewish Space Lasers.

          How did you find out? Who told you the secret?

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:36PM (#1179784)

            MTG told me and she said they have an "extra crispy" setting.

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday September 20 2021, @04:41PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Monday September 20 2021, @04:41PM (#1179724) Journal

      Notes? They also saw that one popular TV show.

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  • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:30PM (24 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:30PM (#1179664)

    A colonial apartheid state that flagrantly commits war crimes and has no respect for human rights is an anachronism that should not exist. Terroristic assassinations should not be a part of any modern society's activities.

    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @02:41PM (#1179671)

      Excluding the apartheid part, Israel and Iran are similar in the kind of international terrorism they engage in, and they're both states run by religious freaks. They really fit each other.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:17PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:17PM (#1179706)

      It's their war (Iran vs. Israel), not yours, so your opinion means nothing.
      Maybe you would allow an Iranian-funded missile to be lobbed at your apartment building just for fairness without retaliating.

      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @07:08PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @07:08PM (#1179797)

        When the Israelis fund their own activities, it will be reasonable to suggest that foreigners keep their noses out of it. But, the fact of the matter is that Israel gets a crapton of funding to engage in crimes against humanity and nobody seems willing to do anything about it. It's gotten so bad that even Germany has backed off its policy of not commenting on Israeli after decades of keeping silent as the Israelis ran amok.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:41PM (19 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:41PM (#1179723)

      This is true, but Israel wouldn't be able to commit the atrocities it does if it were not for support from the US. It is the US veto in the UN security council that has prevented the Palestinians living in refugee camps, since being driven from their homes by armed European jews, decades ago, from returning. It is the US who sends BILLIONS of dollars in military aide to Israel EVERY YEAR which is used to murder the indigenous Palestinian population, and attack Israel's neighbors. It is the US who has vetoed the many UN resolutions that would have brought some shred of dignity back to the horribly oppressed Palestinian people by the European Jewish settlers who call themselves Israelis.

      It isn't just the US government. US evangelical christians want to see the world burn, and see Israel as key in that plan. These christians want WWIII to destroy the world, and believe that Israel will be ground zero for where that war begins. Sadly/scarily, these christian zealot crazies hold high offices and exert great influence on US politics through their hold on the Republican Party e.g., President George "Baby Bush" was one, and congress is currently full of them, and one was recently appointed to the supreme court by Trump.

      And, the Democrat party is equally pro-Israel in all its crimes due to supporting a Jewish state, and a misplaced belief that criticism of Israeli policies of ethnic cleansing, war crimes, apartheid, nuclear weapons proliferation, and settler colonialism is somehow "antisemitic".

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:03PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:03PM (#1179762)

        Why don't the Palestinians try being not Muslim for a while, then maybe people will like them more.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:38AM

          by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:38AM (#1179988) Homepage
          There are plenty that are Christian.
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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday September 20 2021, @09:01PM (16 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @09:01PM (#1179842) Journal

        Yeah, I suppose you deserve your 'interesting' mod. But you seem to have maybe missed some history. When the Arab world decided to put an end to Israel, it was the Arab world that ordered those Palestinians to leave their homes, then abandoned the Palestinians. The situation wasn't entirely created by the Israeli Jews.

        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @11:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @11:28PM (#1179874)

          Facts have a liberal bias because liberals get to decide what are facts and what aren't. That bit of history you cite doesn't agree with the narrative and so isn't 'factual'.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:33AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:33AM (#1179903)

          Strange, Runaway has garnered a "Disagree" mod, but it is showing a 1 instead of 0, no way of knowing if it is +/-. Did the value of a "Disagree" mod change? Not only are we beset by mod-bombing, but now mod-hacking, too?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:16PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:16PM (#1180130)

            Disagree has no mod value, that is specifically its purpose. So you can disagree with someone while not trying to limit their post's visibility. Negative mod points are supposed to be used for posts that deserve it, not just stuff you disagree with.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:28AM (12 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:28AM (#1179913)

          You are mistaken or lying. If mistaken, try reading actual history and not far-right / christian-zionist propaganda.

          Jews literally forced Palestinians from their homes at gunpoint in a series of 70 massacres in 1948. Going into a village and lining up and murdering small children until the adults agreed to surrender was SOP for the european-jewish invaders. All totaled, the jews destroyed 530 villages and murdered 15,000 Palestinians in 1948. About 80 percent of the Palestinian population were made refugees by this ethnic cleansing. And, 78% of Palestinian land was stolen, at this time as well.

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:08AM (10 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:08AM (#1179931) Journal

            Uhhhmmmmm, maybe you should take your own advice. Read history yourself. I was not referring to 1948, unless the Six Day War has been re-written into 1948.

            To be very clear, I've not excused or justified anything that David ben Gurion and his friends did in the 40s or 50s. Perhaps in some other post, I might address what I think of Balfour, and the mass exodus of Jews to Israel. But my post above had absofuckinlutely nothing to do with that decade.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:20AM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:20AM (#1179949)

              To claim my first post that you responded to is incorrect is to deny that European settler Jews drove Palestinians from their homes at gunpiont. Your claims of different periods in history, in your response to my second post, is irrelevant. Nearly half of the indigenous Palestinian population in what is now Israel were driven from their homes by armed European Jewish settlers-- this fact supports my original assertion that, "...Palestinians living in refugee camps, since being driven from their homes by armed European jews..."

              In the Nazi concentration camps, there were Jews who collaborated with the Nazis against their own people. But, to claim, e.g., "that it was Jews responsible for Auschwitz" is absurd. It was far-right fascist white christian nazis that were responsible for rounding up and exterminating jews. Your claim that it was Arabs responsible for Palestinian refugees is wrong in a similar vein. Jewish settlers drove the Palestinians from their homes with terrible violence. Nothing that comes after changes that fact.

              https://time.com/5710303/nazi-collaborator-trials/ [time.com]

              And, the Jew on Palestinian violence continues to this day. In the most recent massacre of Palestinians by European Jewish settlers, last month, hundreds of Palestinian children were murdered by the jewish settlers.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:49AM (4 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:49AM (#1179953) Journal

                Your claims of different periods in history, in your response to my second post, is irrelevant.

                So, all living descendants of Timur and his armies should answer for their actions.

                History matters.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:24AM (3 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:24AM (#1179965)

                  Tamerlane, Runaway, you ignorant moron! Can't you get your Wikipedia version of history straight? The Armies of Missouri are coming for you, the Angels of Death, the Mormons, Runaway. Can you hear them, yet? They make a hellacious joyous noise to the Heavenly Fornicator!

                  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:35AM (2 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:35AM (#1179967) Journal

                    Yes, Timur the Lame. That's the guy. Are you prepared to hunt down all living descendants of him and his armies, and make them answer for the pyramids of skulls built all across Asia, Arabia, and parts of Europe and Africa?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:59AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @06:59AM (#1179974)

                      We know where you live, Runaway. Want to take the DNA test, so we know what parts of you to burn at the stake?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:19AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:19AM (#1179983)

                        We? You and your sock puppets?

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:44AM (3 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:44AM (#1179991) Homepage
              By not mentioning it you were presenting a distorted history where 1948 never happened, which is disingenuous at best.
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              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @08:01AM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @08:01AM (#1179995) Journal

                So, in order to discuss the 2016 election, I must refere to all US presidential elections prior to 2016? It would be disingenuous at best if I failed to do so? I disagree. My original statement stands on it's own.

                When the Arab world decided to put an end to Israel, it was the Arab world that ordered those Palestinians to leave their homes, then abandoned the Palestinians.

                Events prior to, after, or peripheral to that one event aren't negated simply because I didn't mention any of them.

                • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:24PM (1 child)

                  by FatPhil (863) <pc-soylentNO@SPAMasdf.fi> on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:24PM (#1180037) Homepage
                  > When the Arab world decided to put an end to Israel

                  So back in the days of this guy's writings, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb
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                  • (Score: 2) by Pav on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:03PM

                    by Pav (114) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:03PM (#1180064)

                    That's like saying the USA wants to genocide jews because KKK. Qutb couldn't even get his own muslim countrymen in Egypt to overthrow democracy and impose a theocracy after his small band of crazies managed to successfully assassinate the Egyptian president. Even during their recent color revolution Egyptians just demanded better from their democracy instead of imposing theocracy (not that they got more accountability, but whatever)...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:57AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:57AM (#1179946)

            "Nearly 80% made refugees" was either really bad math (by me) or a typo (it is late, it is really f'ing hot, can't sleep). It was 850,000 of 2M population made refugees. Should have said nearly half.

    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:18AM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:18AM (#1179896)

      Right? When it's much simpler to use filthy American scientific media [youtu.be] to have them eliminate him themselves. No blood on your own hands at all!

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:51PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @04:51PM (#1179735)

    So, is the only reason this hasn't started World War 3 that Iran isn't in a position to fight back and doesn't have powerful enough allies to back them up?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:17PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 20 2021, @06:17PM (#1179767)

      There are still plenty of wars in the world, just between non-nuclear states.

      Interestingly, Israel has its nukes ready to go too.

      • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:47AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:47AM (#1179951)

        And nukes aimed at Europe. If the Apartheid unclean state of israel gets attacked by anyone, Europeans die by israeli hands. And still some of you call these creatures "friends"? The israeli jewish propagands is working. Your governments are infiltrated by khazar satan-worshiping rats.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by canopic jug on Monday September 20 2021, @06:49PM

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Monday September 20 2021, @06:49PM (#1179793) Journal

      WWWIII already started, online, some years ago.

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