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posted by martyb on Tuesday September 21 2021, @11:53AM   Printer-friendly

New Research Shows Regular Exercise May Lower Risk of Developing Anxiety by Almost 60%:

Anxiety disorders – which typically develop early in a person’s life – are estimated to affect approximately 10% of the world’s population and have been found to be twice as common in women compared to men.

And while exercise is put forward as a promising strategy for the treatment of anxiety, little is known about the impact of exercise dose, intensity or physical fitness level on the risk of developing anxiety disorders.

To help answer this question, researchers in Sweden recently published a study in Frontiers in Psychiatry to show that those who took part in the world’s largest long-distance cross-country ski race (Vasaloppet) between 1989 and 2010 had a “significantly lower risk” of developing anxiety compared to non-skiers during the same period.

The study is based on data from almost 400,000 people in one of the largest ever population-wide epidemiology studies across both sexes.

[...] “We found that the group with a more physically active lifestyle had an almost 60% lower risk of developing anxiety disorders over a follow-up period of up to 21 years,” said first author of the paper, Martine Svensson, and her colleague and principal investigator, Tomas Deierborg, of the Department of Experimental Medical Science at Lund University, Sweden.

“This association between a physically active lifestyle and a lower risk of anxiety was seen in both men and women.”

[...] While a male skier’s physical performance did not appear to affect the risk of developing anxiety, the highest performing group of female skiers had almost the double risk of developing anxiety disorders compared to the group which was physically active at a lower performance level.

“Importantly,” they said, “the total risk of getting anxiety among high-performing women was still lower compared to the more physically inactive women in the general population”.

Journal Reference:
Martina Svensson, Lena Brundin, Sophie Erhardt, et al. Physical Activity Is Associated With Lower Long-Term Incidence of Anxiety in a Population-Based, Large-Scale Study, Frontiers in Psychiatry (DOI: 10.3389/fpsyt.2021.714014)


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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:02PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:02PM (#1180035)

    FFS, scientific incompetence. The people who participate in long-distance cross-country ski races are somewhat different from those who sit at home watching Dancing with Stars on TV while munching on pizza. The former know they'll go on to good jobs and satisfying lives. The latter are anxious about whether Kanye and Beyonce are going to split up.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:44PM (#1180045)

      However, the results were not altered when we adjusted for age, sex, and education

      Nothing about income but education basically covers it when it's Sweden.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Dale on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:13PM

      by Dale (539) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:13PM (#1180052)

      I was going to say that there is a far cry from half an hour three times a week exercise and participating in "the world's longest cross country ski race." That is an long ways from "regular exercise" the title indicates.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:32PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:32PM (#1180056)

      If West and Knowles no longer want to bang, who cares?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:13PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:13PM (#1180110)

        All women, apparently, based on a sample of my household.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:18AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:18AM (#1180295)

          Kanye and Beyonce were never fucking though?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by looorg on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:28PM (3 children)

      by looorg (578) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:28PM (#1180075)

      If one would want to it will not be to hard to find issues with their study and how it was designed. As a starter they are only counting participants that finished the race, and they are sorted by how long it took them compared to how long the elite took the finish the race. As noted these are not normal or common people. They also subtract all the people that fail to complete the race in time. Further stacking one of the groups. Perhaps the people that didn't finish was to anxious about not finishing to finish the race.

      About 15-16k reople register for the event every year. But out of them about 15-20% do not show up to the race, for various reasons. Could be cause you have to register more or less a year in advance. Then another 10-15% are stopped at various points along the race cause they are deemed to not be able to finish the event in a reasonable time, max 8h. The male elite usually finish in about 4h (the record is 3h40-something minutes) and the female elite are usually about 20 minutes or so behind them.

      I pulled some stats for the race of 2020 race. 16733 people registered, 13915 started it, 11940 finished it. It's still a very good register to finish ratio. The ratio for sign up to completion appears to be similar more or less from year to year, plus minus a percentage here and there. "Funny" side note, it was trivial to find login credentials to their statistics system with just a few searches. Credentials created years ago but was for some reason still active ...

      Anyhow as mentioned it won't be hard to make an argument for that these are not normal people that sign up for a cross-country skiing event 90 km long to be completed in 8h or less. Most of them train for this for the better part of a year or more before they do it. So perhaps it's not all about being fit, even tho a requirement, but perhaps it's just about people that can set and complete long term goals? Perhaps it's just hard to worry about ordinary stuff, or whatever you are anxious about, when you are training hard or competing.

      Potential questions, as noted by them to, are why it doesn't appear to work as well for females as for males. Perhaps they are just more anxious by nature or have more things to worry about or perhaps males just generally doesn't care as much. Perhaps the women become anxious about being able to finish the race? Or they think about how much other things they are forsaking by training and taking part in it?

      Also I just glanced over their paper but it doesn't appear to mention what they are anxious about. Perhaps it's about finishing in time? At the end of the paper they are guessing a bit but conclude it wasn't part of the paper so they don't know or have any data about it. Are fit and unfit people anxious about the same things?

      • (Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:37PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:37PM (#1180092) Journal

        Also I just glanced over their paper but it doesn't appear to mention what they are anxious about. Perhaps it's about finishing in time?

        So you just spent five paragraphs armchair quarterbacking a study you merely glanced at and clearly don't actually understand.

        They're measuring the incidence of anxiety for decades AFTER the race. So no, they're not anxious about finishing the race.

        “We found that the group with a more physically active lifestyle had an almost 60% lower risk of developing anxiety disorders over a follow-up period of up to 21 years,

        • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:12PM (1 child)

          by looorg (578) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @04:12PM (#1180097)

          Yes I did notice that part to. But No I did not do what you claim that I did. I glanced over to see if I could find some reason given or what type of specific anxiety they had. None was listed as far as I can tell. They don't even know why men and women are different in that regard, except to note that they are. Which really isn't that helpful or insightful as a conclusion.

          They are not actually mentioning what kind of anxiety or anxiety disorders there are as far as I and tell so it's perhaps a more general anxity. They are also discounting a lot of people for various reasons and disorders that apparently doesn't count. But it still leaves a very large and wide field of anxiety open.

          They are comparing a very non-normal group with a more general group and it's extrememly hard to draw any kind of solid and good conclusions based on such cases. Except very general conclusions along the lines of excersise appears to be good. I'm fairly certain without even looking that excersise is also great for a lot of other, non-anxiety related, issues.

          But seriously don't take single sentences out of context so you can go on some little tirade.

          • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:04PM

            by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:04PM (#1180104) Journal

            Yes I did notice that part to. But No I did not do what you claim that I did. I glanced over to see if I could find some reason given or what type of specific anxiety they had.

            Here is the list, from the study:

            Anxiety disorders were defined according to the International Classification of Diseases (ICD), tenth revision (ICD10), or ninth revision (ICD9). Diagnoses included are (F40, F41, F42, 300A, 300B, 300C, 300D, 300D, 3000, 3001, 3002, 3003).

            They are not actually mentioning what kind of anxiety or anxiety disorders there are as far as I and tell so it's perhaps a more general anxity.

            FALSE

            They don't even know why men and women are different in that regard, except to note that they are. Which really isn't that helpful or insightful as a conclusion.

            And? A study that can't answer questions it isn't designed to answer is useless?

            They are also discounting a lot of people for various reasons and disorders that apparently doesn't count.

            People who already have anxiety disorders were excluded because they already have anxiety and they are studying new cases.

            They are comparing a very non-normal group with a more general group and it's extrememly hard to draw any kind of solid and good conclusions based on such cases. Except very general conclusions along the lines of exercise appears to be good. I'm fairly certain without even looking that excersise is also great for a lot of other, non-anxiety related, issues.

            What you think is common sense and what we have scientific evidence for are two different things

            But seriously don't take single sentences out of context so you can go on some little tirade.

            Is this better?

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:10PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:10PM (#1180107) Journal

      The people who participate in long-distance cross-country ski races are somewhat different from those who sit at home watching Dancing with Stars on TV while munching on pizza.

      Yep, and one of those differences is a significant reduction in later onset of anxiety disorders!

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:39PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:39PM (#1180135)

      The former know they'll go on to good jobs and satisfying lives.

      Why do you state this? This is not true by my observations at all. I've met as many people who are avid cardio enthusiasts who are narcissistic a-holes as aren't (which I must say, a hint of that narcissistic a-holiness I can smell in your condescending comments against TV watchers).

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:22AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:22AM (#1180296)

        People who can afford to have time-consuming hobbies like running marathons, skiing, biking, etc., are generally upper-class. Poor people, who have much more to be anxious about, have neither time or money to buy equipment and do the training necessary.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:59PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @12:59PM (#1180049)

    As someone that has had anxiety in the past, and has it now, I think they have their relationship backwards - at least in some cases. When I had enough free time to exercise and wasn't dealing with any chronic diseases or injuries, I got to exercise and didn't have anxiety. When I was recovering from a herniated disk, when I had a kid in the hospital for ten days that needed emergency surgery to save his life, when I was working crazy hours so as not to run out of money - I had anxiety, and no time for fitness.

    I don't like these studies. Everyone should be exercising, period. But too many people read these headlines and use them as an excuse to shit on people with anxiety and depression. "If you got your ass off the couch, you'd feel better!" instead of realizing that often - not always, but often - the person is on the couch as a result of their problem and not as a cause.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:11PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:11PM (#1180051)

      The study is specifically talking about chronic anxiety and/or depression, rather than temporary crisis induced episodes. And for chronic disorders, regular excercise helps a lot in maintaining the right hormone levels, better oxygenation etc, reducing the amount of medication needed for example. It's also why mental healthcare in several countries include physiotherapists, to drive regular physical excercise.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:25AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:25AM (#1180297)

        If you work all the time to make ends meet - are you going to be able to afford the time and money required to get mental health treatment? Will it even be a consideration? Having the freedom to take care of yourself is a luxury in modern capitalist societies.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:20PM (#1180055)

      I strongly suspect a contributing factor to the US increase in obesity and sedentary population is that between the 1970s and today schools cut gym class frequency and took focus off fitness and onto sports. And anecdotally, gym class for kids is hell for anyone that's not athletic. A gym teacher's job is to foster an appreciation and enjoyment of exercise in everyone in the class. Speaking for myself, my friends, my family, and my kids, the jocks have fun and everyone else is at best ignored or at worst bullied.

      Here's an idea - gym for younger kids is every day and starts with a quarter mile run. Gym for middle schoolers is every day and starts with a half mile run. Gym for high schoolers is every day and has a mile run. *Poof*, childhood obesity and diabetes levels will drop substantially. But no, my kid has to learn the name of Robert E. Lee's horse, the difference between tempera and acrylic paint, and the date of Archduke Ferdinand's assassination while she has gym once a week and runs the mile in gym once a school year. No wonder there's so many chubby kids in the school.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:15PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:15PM (#1180112)

      Come on, we know it's an excuse. Buck up! Go for a walk, eat a healthy piece of fruit and at least *try* looking like the actors on TV.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:53PM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @01:53PM (#1180060)

    I actually have a chronic anxiety disorder. The first year it manifested, I began a regular exercise routine. It wasn't much; but, the goal was to build out some muscle mass; and I also received a fair bit of cardio at my job. I did build out some muscle mass, and was quite impressively toned for my build. However, exercise did absolutely NOTHING to improve ANY symptoms of, 'anxiety.' ZERO.

    At the very best, the most you could hope for, is perhaps putting some of that excess adrenaline to use, and giving yourself some endorphins and shit; but, I would wager that regular exercise, is at best, going to take 10% off your overall suffering levels; but, more realistically maybe 2 or 3%

    If you know of something that works better than that, do it, because it's a colossal waste of time and energy, burning yourself out doing pushups or running on a treadmill.

    However, if you are doing it for the health benefits, then, knock-yourself-out. 30 minutes of intensive cardio 5 days a week probably is not a bad idea; but, don't expect it to make you suddenly feel as though there is anything to hope for and you won't feel as if your life is ruled by fear. lol. All it's really going to do, is be irritating, difficult, painful, and leave you even more exhausted than you already were; ultimately, you'll be just as miserable afterwards as you were before. However, if you stick to it, to say, build muscle mass, lose weight, or improve your physical fitness, at least you'll have that going for you when you feel like a miserable piece of shit 1 year later. Having achieved actual gains in my strength and muscle mass was a plus; but, anxiety related crap was unaffected; I was just a slightly stronger, equally fearful person at the end of it all, lol.

    Fuck these pricks. God forbid a sample group, living lives that are conducive to PEAK physical fitness should know what it feels like to be terrified to walk a block from their house.

    Maybe I'm wrong. But if I am, you better damn make sure it's a regular work out routine that you stick to regularly. You won't get any results unless you stick to it. If you find you can't stick to it, don't beat yourself up and waste your time, come back when you are ready to commit. It's a lifestyle thing, once you stop, you lose the benefits... That's why healthy people tend to work out, because, feeling good, kind of feeds on itself. You could work out regularly for 2 years straight, and still be just as miserable as when you started, if not more so, if your mental condition is what it is, and your heart and spirit aren't in it.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bradley13 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:24PM (3 children)

      by bradley13 (3053) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:24PM (#1180072) Homepage Journal

      That sounds really rough. And I expect you're right: there can be a kind of feedback cycle: feel good, exercise, feel better. And the reverse, of course.

      Still, I am struck by the number of people claiming to have various disorders today. Anxiety, depression, PTSD, ADHD, whatever. To what extent are we putting "illness" labels on the normal range of human variability?

      Example: I have an adult son who is, and always has been, someone who just cannot stay still. Hyperactive? ADHD? Probably, someone could diagnose him with some syndrome - but really, he's just a data point on the spectrum of human behavior. He has found a career where things are always happening, he always needs to be on the move - so it suits him. But some psychologist missed out on an expensive diagnosis, and some drug companies missed out on another kid they could have medicated into submission.

      And the self-diagnoses. In a forum, yesterday, some woman was claiming to have acquired PTSD from some ordinary life event gone wrong. Things like that cheapen the *actual* diagnosis. And anyway - remember our parents and grandparents, who fought in various wars, before PTSD was a thing? With surprisingly few exception, they went through life just fine without a label. They didn't talk much about what they went through; they just got on with life.

      I'm sure there are people who genuinely need help. Like AC in the parent post probably. But they would seem to be a tiny minority of the people who wear labels of psychological conditions like some weird badge of honor.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:29PM (#1180090)

        They've just changed the name. Goes back at least as far as WW1, look up Shell Shock.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:28AM (#1180298)

        Back when your parents and grandparents were sent to war, they sent people to asylums when they had problems. Suicides were ignored and intentionally forgotten, because it was considered shameful. PTSD certainly did exist, go read the writings some of the survivors left us... Dau by Ed Dodge is quite good.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @11:35AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @11:35AM (#1180342)

        OP replying -

        I agree with you completely; and your not alone in that line of thinking. I had a friend in highschool who was given an, 'ADHD,' diagnosis; his parents decided to pull him out of therapy immediately and didn't give him any of the pills. Their response was to, 'keep him busy,' and they did. He was a huge dork and was made fun of frequently and socially isolated because of it when I met him; but, after our friendship ended, he managed to integrate socially. His first girl friend was 3 years his senior, he went on to college, and as far as I know, is probably leading a relatively normal life to this day (much more so than mine I'd imagine).

        Then you have people who throw the, 'trauma,' word around like it means nothing. "I ordered a LARGE iced tea from McDonalds yesterday and they gave me a medium, and when I complained they got all upset! I was traumatized." Or then you hear the word, 'trigger,' is now part of the common American vernacular. It's a fucking joke.

        As for me, I find Thomas Szasz to be have been an extremely enlightened invididual, of which, most people would prefer to turn a blind eye to his body of work, because it doesn't bode well for their credibility. Institutional psychiatry has gotten way, way out of hand; it has been for a long time; and I doubt it will get any better in the near future. Maybe when the number of people WITH a mental disorder out numbers those with one; they will be forced to reconsider the nature of their ignored absurdity; because at that point, being abnormal will be the norm, and being abnormal will be normal. However, it's doubtful even that event would cause any of these assholes to question themselves; they'd probably just dig their heels in even harder and use it as leverage to support their positions.

        anywho...

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:40PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:40PM (#1180076)

      Have you tried exercising?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @08:19PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @08:19PM (#1180141)

        Turn it off and on again.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by NPC-131072 on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:47PM

      by NPC-131072 (7144) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @02:47PM (#1180077) Journal

      That's why healthy people tend to work out, because, feeling good, kind of feeds on itself. You could work out regularly for 2 years straight, and still be just as miserable as when you started, if not more so, if your mental condition is what it is,

      Hello fren,

      Past studies [nih.gov] found there is a lesser (but verifiable) benefit to exercise for those with long-term physical and mental health issues.

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by http on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:18PM (1 child)

      by http (1920) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:18PM (#1180114)

      People who say they get cardio at work, generally don't. Hard work and cardio are different things. Find an activity you actually enjoy, and you may be changing your mind.

      Before the pandemic hit, I was at the dojo 4-6 days per week, cycling a minimum of a half hour a day on top of that, with a resting heart rate between 45 and 50. You're not going to convince anyone that that's not "conducive to PEAK physical fitness". Physical activity is, for me, the most important component in not having PTSD run my life. And yes, I do know exactly what it's like to be terrified to walk a block from my house. It happens infrequently, these days.

      The psychologists I worked with are remarkably empirical, though they get a lot of flack for "lack of rigour" from armchair "hard science" people who don't know a potentiometer from a burette They get to see what actually works for their patients, and there's a reason exercise is recommended: it works for most people*. Though I initially resisted the suggestion to take up a martial art, my life didn't get noticeably better until I did and committed to it. It began as only two days per week, but I stuck with it - because it's fun. So before you fuck these pricks, consider that they're trying to help people in your situation, and your arrogant dismissal is unwarranted.

      *Not every treatment works equally well on every patient. Case in point, every medication tried on me had disastrous side effects. It's funny, watching a doctor headscratching over the blue book, except for the part where you can't see (or stand up) straight. Non-pharmaceutical treatment was available in my area. Good luck finding something that works for you, and if you have, I gotta say existential bitterness is a terrible side effect.

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      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:25PM

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:25PM (#1180118) Journal

        Have you gone back to the dojo yet?

        I got vaxxed up and probably procrastinated a bit too long and now I'm concerned about all the heavy breathing again because of Delta.

        Home workouts just aren't the same for me...

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:19PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:19PM (#1180115)

      > I was just a slightly stronger, equally fearful person at the end of it all, lol.

      You missed the final step of the program, where you show off your toned body to miserable fat fucks. Rake in the jealous glances, flex that bicep, pick up hot chicks, mock the losers.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:28PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @03:28PM (#1180089) Journal

    Haha....not really!

    BUT, personally I do find that a hardcore workout (with lots of punching and kicking) does A LOT to reduce my stress.

    YMMV, of course.... Figured I should post a counter-anecdote to all the naysayers!

  • (Score: 2) by LabRat on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:13PM (1 child)

    by LabRat (14896) on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:13PM (#1180111)
    The jounral title got a song stuck in my head. "I, I felt strangely hypnotized." [youtube.com]

    I don't particularly like this paper, if only because they are comparing participants in an expensive endurance sport to regular people. Skiing isn't free. They didn't control for socio-economic status, which is a contributor to development of anxiety at a young age (ie. food insecurity). Granted, Sweden has a UBI. I'm just saying this paper isn't as broadly applicable as it could have been.
  • (Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:24PM

    by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 21 2021, @05:24PM (#1180117)
    A few weeks ago I woke up one morning with terrible anxiety. Like imagine knowing you've got something terrible happening later in the day but you have no idea what, so you don't even have a means to reassure yourself that everything's fine. I took a Benadryl and like 30 seconds later it was MUCH better. I've had never heard of allergies causing anxiety before, but for some it actually is a thing.

    Disclaimer: This is NOT a rebuttal or a claim of a miracle cure or anything like that, just sharing in case it helps somebody here. Anxiety sucks and in my case it would interfere with my work.
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:39PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @07:39PM (#1180136)

    Works for me. None of this silly "exercise" stuff. I don't even want to be seen running to the bus in the morning

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 22 2021, @04:34AM (#1180299)

      Hey, it all works the good ol' lung muscles, right?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @09:49PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 21 2021, @09:49PM (#1180179)

    Yeah, correlation/causation is beaten to death here, and so is "anecdote is not data" but I feel like I have to chime in about my own experience with this. Since having been bitten by a local pitbull, I now carry pepper spray and walk less frequently. Covid doesn't help, as walking in to local stores was part of walks in the past. I have to force myself to exercise now. I still get out, but not as often. Sometimes I drive to a different neighborhood where people do a better job of controlling their damn dogs.

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