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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:12PM   Printer-friendly

COVID-19: Without masks, two metres distancing is not enough:

To prevent the spread of COVID-19 indoors, the two metres physical distancing guideline is not enough without masks, according to researchers from Quebec, Illinois, and Texas. However, wearing a mask indoors can reduce the contamination range of airborne particles by about 67 percent.

“Mask mandates and good ventilation are critically important to curb the spread of more contagious strains of COVID-19, especially during the flu season and winter months as more people socialize indoors,” says Saad Akhtar, a former doctoral student under the supervision of Professor Agus Sasmito at McGill University.

While most public health guidelines recommend physical distancing of two metres for people from different households, the researchers say distancing alone is not enough to prevent the spread of COVID-19. In a study published in Building and Environment, the researchers found that when people are unmasked, more than 70 percent of airborne particles pass the two metres threshold within the 30 seconds. By contrast, less than 1 percent of particles cross the two-metre mark if masks are worn.

Coughing is one of the main sources of spread of airborne viruses from symptomatic individuals.

Journal Reference:
Jayaveera Muthusamy, Syed Haq, Saad Akhtar, et al. Implication of coughing dynamics on safe social distancing in an indoor environment—A numerical perspective Building and Environment (DOI: 10.1016/j.buildenv.2021.108280)


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:21PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:21PM (#1184759)

    Good thing we went through a rushed, forced, *EXPENSIVE* vaccination push!

    To hell with masks for this damn cold. Oops, almost time for my yearly Flu shot..

    • (Score: 4, Funny) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:20PM (12 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:20PM (#1184788) Journal

      <no-sarcasm>
      I got my third Covid-19 vaccine shot (booster) on Sept 02, more than a month ago.
      </no-sarcasm>

      Should I be worried about the buildup of microchips in my blood?

      --
      People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:03PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:03PM (#1184803)

        Should I be worried about the buildup of microchips in my blood?

        Nah. There will be a Java class on stack overflow that'll let you activate them in time for the 5G rollout.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:33PM (5 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:33PM (#1184816) Journal

          Since 5G causes covid-19, will I need a different vaccination when 6G comes along?

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          • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:39PM (4 children)

            by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:39PM (#1184820)

            Like 5G, 6G will operate on a plethora of frequencies, so you'll need, ah, a plethora of vaccinations.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:14PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:14PM (#1184847)

              And a booster for long distance travel.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:23PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:23PM (#1184949)

              A pletura you say?

              • (Score: 3, Funny) by driverless on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:38AM (1 child)

                by driverless (4770) on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:38AM (#1185047)

                Well, you told me I have a pletura. And I just would like to know if you know what a pletura is. I would not like to think that a person would tell someone he has a pletura, and then find out that that person has *no idea* what it means to have a pletura.

                • (Score: 3, Funny) by edIII on Thursday October 07 2021, @11:43PM

                  by edIII (791) on Thursday October 07 2021, @11:43PM (#1185342)

                  Forgive us, Driverless. We know that we, lowly posters, do not have your superior intellect and education. But could it be that once again, you are angry at something else, and are looking to take it out on us?

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      • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:01PM (1 child)

        by RS3 (6367) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:01PM (#1184886)

        You should worry that the auto manufacturers will mine them.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:13PM (2 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:13PM (#1184939) Journal

        Too many chips contribute to blood clotting. Just so you know.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:31AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:31AM (#1185077)

          No, they don't. You are wrong, again. This is the result of being stupid.

    • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:28AM

      by Opportunist (5545) on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:28AM (#1185105)

      Don't get the flu shot, the risk/reward matrix is even worse this year than usual. Even though it's more likely to actually work because the virus had fewer chances to mutate since the vaccine was developed, there is also a heavily reduced risk of getting infected.

      Oh, you're not wearing a mask and your friends likely ain't either? Yeah, in this case you might want to consider it.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by PiMuNu on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:24PM (10 children)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:24PM (#1184761)

    What's a "former doctoral student"? Does that mean postdoc? Failed doctoral exam? Weird phrase.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by looorg on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:29PM (8 children)

      by looorg (578) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:29PM (#1184765)

      That is a weird phrase. My first interpretation of it would be that he failed and washed out. He somehow for some reason didn't complete the degree. If it's Post doc then he managed to complete the program and is now as a matter of fact a Doctor (or Ph.D. or M.D. or whatever depending on subject). You need a degree to get the PostDoc placement.

      • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:46PM (3 children)

        by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:46PM (#1184797)

        the whole phrase might matter.

        "says Saad Akhtar, a former doctoral student under the supervision of Professor Agus Sasmito at McGill University."

        He might still be a doctoral student but no longer under the supervision of Prof. Sasmito.
        He might have abandoned or put his doctoral pursuits on hold to take a job or something.
        Or he might be a PhD now, but studied under Prof. Sasmito and they wanted to highlight that relationship.
        If you are working on your PhD it's mostly just a matter of putting in the work and finishing it. It's very rare to actually 'fail' a thesis defense, since you aren't even allowed to schedule the thesis defense until your supervisor and committee think its ready.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:25PM (#1184857)

          still a candidate no longer supervised by Prof Sasmito. at least that is what his webpage says https://www.akhtarsaad.com/ [akhtarsaad.com]

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:22PM (1 child)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:22PM (#1184896)

          "says Saad Akhtar, a former doctoral student under the supervision of Professor Agus Sasmito at McGill University."

          He might still be a doctoral student but no longer under the supervision of Prof. Sasmito.

          in this case it would make more sense to phrase it as

          Saad Akhtar, a doctoral student formerly under the supervision of Professor Agus Sasmito

          --

          Or he might be a PhD now, but studied under Prof. Sasmito and they wanted to highlight that relationship.

          then try

          Saad Akhtar, a doctor who studied under the supervision of Professor Agus Sasmito

          --
          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
          • (Score: 2) by vux984 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:43PM

            by vux984 (5045) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:43PM (#1184915)

            Per the other poster, its the former. Nobody disagrees that statement could have been better written but it's hardly an egregious offense against the English language.

      • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:28PM (3 children)

        by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:28PM (#1184861) Journal

        Saad Akhtar
        www.akhtarsaad.com

        I did my Ph.D. at McGill University, where I was supervised by Prof. Agus Sasmito. My research is focused on developing multi-scale and multi-physics ...

        --
        "I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
        • (Score: 2) by looorg on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:09PM (2 children)

          by looorg (578) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:09PM (#1184935)

          As noted this wasn't really about his research or anything but that the phrase in the article was odd -- but probably not incorrect (i'm not really one to make those judgements). If one points out the former part it seems like something is odd. Normally you don't just talk about your former degrees once you obtain a better (or higher) one. So you don't go around talking about your bachelors once you have a masters and you don't really mention that besides as a line in your CV as you start or get your Ph.D.
          So by stating former it seems weird, in all cases but one -- where your professor was/is somehow a recognized super-star in their field (or however you want to put it) and you are for some reason wanting to have some of their glory attached to yourself.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:01AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:01AM (#1185008)

            you probably want to take the query up with Shirley Cardenas. although i suspect your speculation is more about exercising your own neurons than really wanting an answer to marginally poor written copy in a press release.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:11AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:11AM (#1185014)

            It sounds like a roboarticle. They probably took the PR release from McGill about the paper and that it how it decided to describe someone who used to study under that professor. Read that way, that sentence as constructed makes more sense. Something connecting the individual to the university along the lines of "X, who was supervised by Professor Agus Sasmito, says 'blah'" gets flipped into what you see.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:17PM (#1184786)

      > Failed doctoral exam?

      Perhaps that is why he's Saad?

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by looorg on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:26PM (16 children)

    by looorg (578) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:26PM (#1184762)

    Masks? People here stopped wearing masks more or less a month ago or so when they announced that all the restrictions would be lifted at the end of last month (yes they thought the announcement of the lifting was the lifting so they stopped caring about a month or so in advance of the actual lifting). So this last weekend was the first weekend without restrictions. There was a surge at the bars, and similar places, of people. The police reported that the drunktanks was filled to the last spot etc. Now waiting to see if there is a surge in new reported cases.

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:16PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:16PM (#1184784)

      Why not tell us where you are?

      • (Score: 2, Troll) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:22PM (6 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:22PM (#1184790) Journal

        Why not tell us who you are?

        --
        People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:53PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:53PM (#1184925)

          Why not tell us who you are?

          I'm Anonymous Coward, it's listed right there. Pay attention!

          • (Score: 3, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:18PM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:18PM (#1184944) Journal

            You all look alike, though.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:50PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:50PM (#1184999)

              Asian?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:03AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:03AM (#1185010)

                no, wearing a mask still.

                • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:31AM

                  by Opportunist (5545) on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:31AM (#1185107)

                  Damn facial recognition dodgers!

                  By the way, has anyone noticed that the same people who got up in arms about "Muh freedumbs" when it came to CCTV facial recognition are also the same that refuse to cover their face so they can't be recognized? One has to wonder whether they're stupid or just stupid.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:31AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:31AM (#1185108)

                  It sure would be awesome if you morons could get it through your thick heads that people wearing masks are protecting other people. Well, unless they are wearing n95+. The idea that taking the pandemic seriously is done from a place of fear and cowardice is, well, frankly just more conservative projection.

    • (Score: -1, Insightful) by crafoo on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:49PM

      by crafoo (6639) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:49PM (#1184798)

      The new variant cases and deaths peaked around August 16th. I mean, if you really care. We are talking about a respiratory illness that has 1/10th of the danger as the "vaccines" for anyone under 65 who isn't a fattie AIDS patient.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:30PM (5 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:30PM (#1184813)

      I don't know where you are describing, but here's what happened in my area a few months ago: The state lifted masking requirements for vaccinated people, and the signage switched to describe masks as highly recommended by the CDC. A significant majority stopped masking immediately in public places, even though statistically about 45% of them were completely unvaccinated when they did so. Approximately 2 weeks later, the incubation period of Covid-19, reported cases increased significantly and started heading upwards into the second big wave, exactly as the doctors and epidemiologists predicted would happen.

      I'm still wearing my mask in public spaces, and even many smaller gatherings of all-vaccinated people I've been at. I'll continue to do so until Covid-19 is about as common as Ebola in my region. It's a minor inconvenience at most, and could prevent a lot of trouble.

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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:14PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:14PM (#1184940)

        Please tell me you aren't one of those people who wears a mask while driving a car with no one else inside.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:28PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:28PM (#1184954)

          Wow, you're triggered by people who find wearing the mask less inconvenient than constantly taking it on and off? You should understand that in traffic you could be getting quite a lot of other people's exhaled air. Not likely to get infected from it, but if you're an at-risk individual for whom COVID is basically a death sentence why would you NOT take every precaution possible? You don't wear seatbelts and ride a hog with a brain catcher. Ask yourself, why are you so upset by other people's choices that have zero impact on you and are zero danger to anyone else?

          • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:53PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:53PM (#1185002)

            Is that you Bubble Boy?

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by Thexalon on Friday October 08 2021, @05:41PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Friday October 08 2021, @05:41PM (#1185581)

          Only when I'm going between stores and it's less annoying to keep my mask on than to take it off and find a place to put it.

          --
          The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Opportunist on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:33AM

        by Opportunist (5545) on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:33AM (#1185109)

        That's because the same 45% that don't get vaccinated were also the 45% that immediately got rid of the mask for "muh freedumbs" and because that's how you "stick it to DA MAN!"

        The only problem with the virus is that it only kills too few of them. Just imagine what a wonderful place this world would be if selfish, stupid and ignorant could be eliminated that easily.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:40PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:40PM (#1184871)

      We need emergency field drunk tanks now to handle the overflow! Our drunk tank infrastructure just isn't set up to handle this kind of pandemic.

  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:28PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:28PM (#1184764)

    Coughing is one of the main sources of spread of airborne viruses from symptomatic individuals.

    How is that an excuse for forcing masks on HEALTHY individuals?

    Implication of coughing dynamics on safe social distancing

    is that the sick should be staying at home.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Tork on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:37PM (6 children)

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:37PM (#1184771)

      How is that an excuse for forcing masks on HEALTHY individuals?

      The excuse for doing it was heaps of people dying due to contrarianism.

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      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:56PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:56PM (#1184831)

        A stupid excuse indeed, as befits The Stupid Party.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Tork on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:06PM (3 children)

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:06PM (#1184837)
          The voters for one party are being killed disproportionately, so go right on ahead calling political parties 'stupid'. ;)
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          🏳️‍🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️‍🌈
          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:23PM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:23PM (#1184854)

            The millenials are mostly lefties and lefties do not understand correlations? The Stupid Party indeed.

            "A man who has not been a socialist before 25 has no heart. If he remains one after 25 he has no head."

            • (Score: 2) by Tork on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:27PM

              by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:27PM (#1184859)
              Heh maybe I play GTAV too much but I sometimes wonder if I'm talking to an NPC.
              --
              🏳️‍🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️‍🌈
            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:31PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:31PM (#1184955)

              Since reality has a liberal bias your conservative wisdom is just fantasy to keep you on the GOP plantation. Better luck next time NPC#BIGNUM!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:21PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:21PM (#1184947)

        My great grandfather had contrarianism. Fortunately, he died of old age before the disease could destroy him.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:21PM (2 children)

      by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:21PM (#1184789)

      How do they know they're healthy?

      We and they could have some confidence if we were doing saturation testing as Dr. Michael Mina (rapidtests.org) has advocated and as South Korea implemented.

      If the suggestion was that everyone with a cough should stay home, I have a relative (former smoker) who could never go shopping under that rule.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:11PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:11PM (#1184842)

        How do they know they're healthy?

        Not coughing?
        Being that TFA is all about those who do cough.

        If the suggestion was that everyone with a cough should stay home, I have a relative (former smoker) who could never go shopping under that rule.

        For those rare individuals (around here, not a single cough heard on a bus most days), there are, well, handkerchiefs. Coughing in public without covering your mouth is a very uncouth behavior since looooong before COVID, people never needed any studies to teach their children that coughing on other people is bad.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:20AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:20AM (#1185016)

        Both before and after COVID I've had people in my office intermittently coughing and with notes for the appointment saying they've had a chronic cough tell me that they don't have a cough or the one I just pointed out is "the first time today."

    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:32PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:32PM (#1184815)

      Prove you're healthy.

      Oh, you can't, without constant tests, because of the lengthy incubation period. We might as well allow suicide vests to be worn around and detonated in public spaces.

      Asshole. Your freedoms stop at my nose. Respect them or be imprisoned.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:16PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:16PM (#1184849)

        Prove you're healthy.

        Prove you're human.

        With TFA titled "Implication of coughing dynamics on...", your spewing that bullshit means "you" are a dumb programmed bot.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:32PM (#1184768)

    It's so hard to keep up with the latest scientific recommendations.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:37PM (28 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:37PM (#1184773)

    Especially vs. a COMMON-COLD being put out as some "plague" when they CAN'T SHOW YOU A "COVID 19 VIRUS" under an electron microscope!

    When Dr. Robert Malone who CREATED MRNA VAX TECH says "nobody should take these shots EVER"!

    When THE PCR TEST was invalidated by Kary Mullis the INVENTOR of it stating it proves nothing when it is turned up past iirc 24 cycles, which it WAS, to create FALSE POSITIVE results that ROPED DOPES IN for the next point:

    When the WHO changes the DEFINITION of "pandemic" from NUMBER OF DEATHS vs. NUMBER OF CASES to make a herd stampede in panic (herd of stupid sheeple).

    ABOVE ALL ELSE? What is the survival rate, for nearly ALL AGE GROUPS, minus accompanying co-moribities already in place in the person? 95-99++%??

    Please - keep being DIMWITTED & taking those shots while you also enjoy: periocarditis, myocarditis, brain aneurisms, NERVOUS "twitch" disorders OR PARALYSIS or lung CLOTS if not cancer or sterility from your "FINE VACCINE" (which doesn't even WORK, lol - except to tune you into RADIO STATION "WKILL" or "WDEAD", lol - can't happen soon enough & it will soon, bank on it).

    Revelation 18:23 = "for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.” & GREEK for SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT = Pharmakeia (pharmaceuticals)...

    APK

    P.S.=> Consider THIS a "warning SHOT" Pun intended... apk

    • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:52PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @04:52PM (#1184778)

      Nobody can dispute facts you extoll so they down moderate hide your post and you as troll yet they can't prove you incorrect on anything you state. Figures. Very typical for the real trolls on soylent, sockpuppet multiple fake accounts they up moderate themselves (many selves) or down moderate hide away what they can't defeat with facts. Typical leftist bullshit.

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:23PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:23PM (#1184792)

      Yep.
      It's not so bizarre that people reject the truth, and cling to lies when we understand the spiritual aspect of all this.

      From 2 Thessalonians 2:
      "They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

      Now, cue the demon-influenced anti-God people, and all their meaningless ravings against Truth and Goodness.

      • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:57PM (6 children)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:57PM (#1184801) Journal

        Just to offer a contrary opinion about what the text says and means:

        From 2 Thessalonians 2:
        "They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness."

        Now, cue the demon-influenced anti-God people, and all their meaningless ravings against Truth and Goodness.

        Do you think "the lie" is about a vaccine?

        I think "the lie" in that verse (2 Thes 2:11) means the very first lie recorded in the bible. (just my opinion)

        That first lie came in two parts:
        (1) you won't die (you can live forever in your sins)
        (2) you can be like God (or you are a God, or you are God, etc)

        My answer to the two parts of "the lie" are:
        (1) you will surely die, and if you're not careful you will die in your sins
        (2) many verses in the old testament make clear there is no other like God, he is the one and only. He says he will judge any other so called god who did not create this heavens and this earth.

        Do you really think that verse is about the covid-19 vaccine?

        Here is another thing I would point out about conditions in the present day when this post was written:
        (referring to Rev 13)
        * there is currently no beast
        * there is currently no false prophet
        * there is currently no image of the beast created by the false prophet
        * there is currently no global mandate to bow down to the non yet existing image
        * there is no global mandate to take a mark

        --
        People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:15PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:15PM (#1184807)

          "Do you think "the lie" is about a vaccine?"
          "Do you really think that verse is about the covid-19 vaccine?"

          Of course not! This is a principle - a dynamic, that I believe is in play today.
          Certainly not unique in history either. But I think that verse serves as a somewhat poetic explanation of why it is practically impossible to reason with the people who have been deceived by their various leaders into swallowing the lie that this pandemic is actually a pandemic. It's not. It's a lie fabricated to get mRNA garbage into people. This will not end well for ANY of us - vaxxed or non-vaxxed!

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:42PM (4 children)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:42PM (#1184821) Journal

            The possible ways that 2 Thes 2:11 can be misused to refer to all kinds of things does not escape me. Some could apply it to Trump voters. Fox News viewers, etc. But that is not why it was written. At the time it was written. I believe there will come a deception, a delusion, but it will be religious in nature. The religion of antichrist. The original lie. (just my opinion)

            I happen to believe the pandemic is real. 1 in 500 Americans have already died from it. It is contagious. People get it. They die from it. It is spread by exhaled droplets. Masks provide significant (but not absolute) protection. These things are simple facts which should be obvious.

            As I mention elsewhere here, I received my third covid-19 shot over a month ago. I know of missionaries who have been vaccinated so they can travel and follow their calling.

            I fully expect that things in the world, whether covid or something else, are going to get worse and worse. I have peace about it. I don't worry. I don't have control over it. I'm not going to get out of this life alive. Whether things end well, depends on where you go afterward, IMO.

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            • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:53PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:53PM (#1184926)

              " 1 in 500 Americans have already died from it."

              bull fucking shit, dumb ass slave.

              "I received my third covid-19 shot over a month ago"

              lmao. what a fucking fag. you're the cause of the new strains, you dumb fucking zombie. Enjoy dying from your cowardice.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:33PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:33PM (#1184956)

                We've been waiting over a decade for you to grow up. Now it is time for therapy.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:54PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:54PM (#1185004)

                  We've been waiting over four decades for you to grow up. Now it is time for therapy.

                  FTFY

              • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:28PM

                by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:28PM (#1185251) Journal

                1 in 500 Americans have already died from it.
                       

                bull fucking shit, dumb ass slave.

                You can google for it.

                Or you can do this:
                1. Google for US Population
                2. Google for Number of Americans Dead from Covid-19
                3. Do this sophisticated mathematical operation called Division.

                I received my third covid-19 shot over a month ago
                       

                lmao. what a fucking fag. you're the cause of the new strains, you dumb fucking zombie. Enjoy dying from your cowardice.

                The Unvaccinated are the cause of the new strains.

                Let's see which happens first. Me dying of cowardice by wisely getting vaccinated, or you dying of covid-19 by stupidly staying unvaccinated, and probably also maskless.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:33PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:33PM (#1184795)

      LOL @ this chump replying to himself to generate consensus. Sad stuff.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:06PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:06PM (#1184804)

        Call him names proving you fail and that yu can't prove a thing wrong he stated as they are established facts https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

        "Generating consensus"? Give us a break! Everyone knows (especially admins on this site who state it here) Soylentnews has become sockpuppet fake account heaven for the real trolls on this site https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org] that upmod themself (under many fake accounts) and downmod hide facts you can't overcome per the 1st link posted above.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:37PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:37PM (#1184958)

          Call[ing] [me] names prov[es] you fail and that y[o]u can't prove a[ny]thing wrong [that] [I] stated as they are established facts[lol] https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] [soylentnews.org]

          "Generating consensus"? Give [me] a break! Everyone knows (especially admins on this site who state it here) Soylentnews has become sockpuppet fake account heaven for the real trolls on this site https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org] [soylentnews.org] that upmod themsel[ves] (under many fake accounts) and downmod [to make less visible the] facts you can't overcome per the 1st link posted above.

          FTFY, wanna send your resume to get cleaned up? Maybe you'll finally be gainfully employed!

          PS: AC sock puppeting isn't much better than actual sock puppeting

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:40AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:40AM (#1185078)

            At least we don't have to deal with aristarchus any more. He was rational, at least, but evidently SN deserves APK more.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:04PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:04PM (#1185172)

              What do you think the A stands for?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (#1184900)

      Less than 30 seconds of searching the 'net proved you are stupid. There are pictures of the virus taken with electron microscope by several different people at several different labs. Your other points are equally dumb and easily disproven.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:44PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:44PM (#1184917)

        Hot air lies & no substance/proof from you: Let's see your photos from a REPUTABLE lab then (no, not the DNA chain sequence done on a computer, a REAL photo by electron microscopy)

        As far as the REST of what I put down here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

        I can literally post Kary Mullis nobel prize winner/noble laureate (PCR test inventor) state the test produces false positives galore literally & especially when it is TURNED UP as it was, plus Robert Malone the inventor of MRNA vax tech stating NOT TO USE the vax as well!

        APK

        P.S.=> That list of bad side effects I noted too? Undeniable fact also... apk

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:23AM (4 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:23AM (#1185018)

          Do it then. Give the exact quotes and the time and date they were given.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:23PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:23PM (#1185220)

            Kary Mullis video on how FAUCI & crew produced false positives from PCR tests HE INVENTED https://www.brighteon.com/2d4f2b32-a417-4f17-94d2-a58a0e2e4744 [brighteon.com]

            * BETTER THAN MERE QUOTES - actual STATEMENTS by the inventor of PCR tests himself for which he received a nobel prize no less & nobody KNOWS IT BETTER than he did OR how it can be misused to produce false positives (by turning up the cycle rate over 24-45 cycles which it WAS on the 'test results').

            APK

            P.S.=> Eat your words & you posted no proof of your bs (an actual photo by an electron microscope of a COVID 19 virus - you can't produce that as there aren't any in existence - all a HUGE lie & all they have is a computer model "picture" of a molecular strand they SIMULATED only).

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:07PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:07PM (#1185320)

              Seems fitting to link to a Mullis clip from the 90s to deny the existence of the Coronavirus. That clip is him desperately trying to hold on to his HIV denialism in the face of mounting evidence of the HIV/AIDs connection and HIV PCR. Sadly his statement was as wrong then as it is now, which is to say completely.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:32PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:32PM (#1185226)

            Robert Malone (inventor of MRNA tech) says "The government shouldn't force young adults and teens to take experimental coronavirus vaccines, says inventor of mRNA vaccines" http://45.89.97.6/2021-06-28-government-shouldnt-force-young-adults-teens-vaccinated.html [45.89.97.6]

            * SO, where's your ACTUAL PHOTO PROOF of a CORONA 19 virus from an ELECTRON MICROSCOPE big talker? Can't find one eh? WHY?? They DON'T ACTUALLY EXIST (only computer model simulated "photos" do is why).

            APK

            P.S.=> That in addition to MORE Kary Mullis proofs *inventor of PCR tests for which he got a nobel prize) on how PCR tests were abused by turning up the cycle rate on them over 25-45 cycles https://www.brighteon.com/80d65131-22e5-48e2-853c-bcb7d64bf51f [brighteon.com]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:11PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:11PM (#1185322)

              "Don't mandate shot" != "don't use it" Too bad you can't read. To drive a further wedge into that distinction, he himself got one, by the way.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by dalek on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:10PM (5 children)

      by dalek (15489) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:10PM (#1184989)

      Especially vs. a COMMON-COLD being put out as some "plague" when they CAN'T SHOW YOU A "COVID 19 VIRUS" under an electron microscope!

      Wrong. See https://www.niaid.nih.gov/news-events/novel-coronavirus-sarscov2-images [nih.gov].

      When Dr. Robert Malone who CREATED MRNA VAX TECH

      Misleading, at best. See https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w [nature.com].

      When Dr. Robert Malone who CREATED MRNA VAX TECH says "nobody should take these shots EVER"!

      Despite spreading misinformation about mRNA vaccines, Malone received the Moderna vaccine. See https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2021/08/robert-malone-vaccine-inventor-vaccine-skeptic/619734/ [theatlantic.com].

      When THE PCR TEST was invalidated by Kary Mullis the INVENTOR of it stating it proves nothing when it is turned up past iirc 24 cycles, which it WAS, to create FALSE POSITIVE results that ROPED DOPES IN for the next point:

      False. The cycle threshold is related to the amount of SARS-CoV-2 viral load. PCR tests are not useless after 25 cycles. See https://www.science.org/news/2020/09/one-number-could-help-reveal-how-infectious-covid-19-patient-should-test-results [science.org] and https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/02/11/fact-check-post-distorts-whos-covid-19-pcr-testing-guidelines/4340677001/ [usatoday.com].

      When the WHO changes the DEFINITION of "pandemic" from NUMBER OF DEATHS vs. NUMBER OF CASES to make a herd stampede in panic (herd of stupid sheeple).

      False. The WHO no longer uses "pandemic" as an official description of a disease outbreak. See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-021-81814-3 [nature.com].

      ABOVE ALL ELSE? What is the survival rate, for nearly ALL AGE GROUPS, minus accompanying co-moribities already in place in the person? 95-99++%??

      Misleading. This does not take into account long-term effects of COVID-19. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2021/04/11/how-common-is-long-covid-new-studies-suggest-more-than-previously-thought/ [forbes.com].

      Please - keep being DIMWITTED & taking those shots while you also enjoy: periocarditis, myocarditis, brain aneurisms, NERVOUS "twitch" disorders OR PARALYSIS or lung CLOTS if not cancer or sterility from your "FINE VACCINE" (which doesn't even WORK, lol - except to tune you into RADIO STATION "WKILL" or "WDEAD", lol - can't happen soon enough & it will soon, bank on it).

      Oh dear, so much misinformation and nonsense. Whatever risks there may be from COVID-19 vaccines are far less than from actually getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated. See https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/is-the-covid19-vaccine-safe [hopkinsmedicine.org], https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/does-covid-19-vaccine-affect-fertility-heres-what-experts-say [muhealth.org], and https://www.healthline.com/health-news/vaccine-side-effects-vs-covid-19-damage-theres-no-comparison [healthline.com] for starters.

      Since I've demonstrated that your entire post is nonsense, you'll certainly follow me around and harass me for weeks, perhaps even months or years. You're very predictable in that you'll attack someone for extended periods of time whenever they show that you're wrong about something, which happens very frequently. Once this account is old enough to be eligible to moderate, I'll be happy to give you the spam mods you deserve.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:42PM (#1185236)

        Kary Mullis INVENTOR of PCR tests speaks in a video on how FAUCI & crew produced false positives from PCR tests HE INVENTED https://www.brighteon.com/2d4f2b32-a417-4f17-94d2-a58a0e2e4744 [brighteon.com] [brighteon.com]

        * Actual STATEMENTS by the inventor of PCR tests himself for which he received a nobel prize no less & nobody KNOWS IT BETTER than he did OR how it can be misused to produce false positives (by turning up the cycle rate over 24-45 cycles which it WAS on the 'test results').

        Robert Malone (inventor of MRNA tech) says "The government shouldn't force young adults and teens to take experimental coronavirus vaccines, says inventor of mRNA vaccines" http://45.89.97.6/2021-06-28-government-shouldnt-force-young-adults-teens-vaccinated.html [45.89.97.6]

        APK

        P.S.=> you LOSE moron... apk

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:13PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:13PM (#1185265)

        "PCR TEST INVALID The validity of the PCR test for COVID19 has always been questioned, in particular the number of “augmentation cycles” used to detect the virus. It was recently admitted by the American Centre for Disease Control that any cycles above 30 were too many and would result in a majority of false positives. Now the CDC has decided to ditch the whole PCR test as invalid." https://freenations.net/cases-fall-as-vaccinations-decline-vaccine-deaths-continue-pcr-test-invalid/ [freenations.net]

        AND let's see the CDC itself stating the same too https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html [cdc.gov]

        AND even MORE of the same from https://www.zerohedge.com/covid-19/why-cdc-quietly-abandoning-pcr-test-covid [zerohedge.com] "Why Is The CDC Quietly Abandoning The PCR Test For COVID?"

        PLUS MORE "Confirmed: PCR Tests CANNOT Detect SARS-CoV-2, Cause of COVID19" https://principia-scientific.com/confirmed-pcr-tests-cannot-detect-sars-cov-2-cause-of-covid19/ [principia-scientific.com]

        See subject - lol, it's FACT per that above PLUS my other post from Kary Mullis himself the PCR test inventor himself stating how false positives result from PCR test use here https://www.brighteon.com/2d4f2b32-a417-4f17-94d2-a58a0e2e4744 [brighteon.com]

        In fact, what I just put up is only a FRACTION of what I could have in regards to PCR tests being invalid from TONS of reputable sources galore!

        * YOU LOSE, loser....

        APK

        P.S.=> Dimwit limey - don't EVER try me you STUPID fool, or I'll destroy you AGAIN easily, lol - of course, like your BRAND NEW FAKENAME TROLLING SOCKPUPPET ACCOUNT NAME of "Dalek"? You'll hide under ANOTHER fakename account that FUCKS like you use to abuse others only to have EGG ON YOUR FACE vs. me dumbo - this? This was just "too, Too, TOO EASY - 'just 2ez'"... apk

        • (Score: 1) by dalek on Thursday October 07 2021, @09:14PM (2 children)

          by dalek (15489) on Thursday October 07 2021, @09:14PM (#1185305)

          Wrong again, APK. You're back to spreading misinformation, I see. The CDC is not requesting that all PCR testing be eliminated. See https://www.aacc.org/cln/articles/2021/september/cdc-planning-to-withdraw-request-for-eua-of-sars-cov-2-pcr-test [aacc.org].

          After December 31, 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) will withdraw its request to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for emergency use authorization (EUA) of the CDC 2019-Novel Coronavirus Real-Time RT-PCR diagnostic panel. CDC is announcing this in advance so that any clinical laboratories that are using this test have adequate time to select and implement one of the many FDA-authorized alternatives.

          CDC first introduced this assay for detection of SARS-CoV-2 in February 2020. Now, however, the agency has decided to voluntarily withdraw its request for EUA primarily because “hundreds of SARS-CoV-2 [polymerase chain reaction (PCR)] tests have received EUAs and are widely available,” said AACC President Stephen R. Master, MD, PhD, FAACC. This means that “CDC’s test is no longer needed to fill an unmet testing need.”

          The CDC is requesting the FDA end the emergency use authorization (EUA) for the specific PCR test that was developed by the CDC back in February 2020. They're not doing it because PCR tests are inherently flawed but because there are now a large number of other PCR tests available, so the CDC's PCR test is no longer needed.

          I know, you'll just reply and move the goal posts or use AC sock puppetry to pretend that you weren't caught spreading more misinformation. You're incapable of logic or being reasoned with. But for anyone else who is reading this, APK is spreading misinformation. The CDC isn't requesting that PCR testing be eliminated, just that labs switch to other PCR tests instead of the one developed by the CDC over a year ago. On the same page describing the CDC's request that the EUA be withdrawn for their own PCR test, it also says that Roche received an EUA for a PCR test.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @03:35PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @03:35PM (#1185544)

            See subject & THANKS: You prove PCR tests GENERATED FALSE POSITIVES the entire time now & due to that "vaccine" Clotshots caused ALL THESE ISSUES & people took the deathshot based on FALSE RESULTS period (which IS THE MAIN POINT dumbo): periocarditis, myocarditis, brain aneurisms, NERVOUS "twitch" disorders OR PARALYSIS or lung CLOTS if not cancer or sterility from your "FINE VACCINE" (which doesn't even WORK, lol - except to tune you into RADIO STATION "WKILL", lol) - & yes, even the vax makers have to put that on the warnings REGARDING THESE CLOTSHOTS now, so YOU LOSE as usual & so does ANYONE dumb enough to take the shot - period!

            As Kary Mullis himself, the inventor of the PCR test stated, it generates FALSE POSITIVES (nobody understood that tech BETTER THAN HIMSELF, for which he got a nobel prize for no less) & "can find anything" if the test cycle is turned up too far which it was & the actual LINK to a video with him STATING THAT FACT is in this link here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1185265#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] &

            * Those false positives condemned people to DEATH SENTENCES as there is NO DENYING the shots have BAD SIDE EFFECTS & NOT ALL YOUR BULLSHIT "interpretations" changes that along w/ the FACT false positive results were the "results" of those FINE pcr tests!

            Sad state of affairs that when a "non-idemifiable" VAX maker can kill people based on FAULTY BULLSHIT & for what? SHEKELS!

            SEE MY SUBJECT LINE ABOVE:: You've LITERALLY "EXTERMINATED" yourself, "Dalek" (how ironic) by taking that clotshot AND trying me only to FALL FLAT ON YOUR FACE - classic!

            APK

            P.S.=> Best part is, since you obviously took your CLOT SHOT? You can look forward to the list of BAD SIDE EFFECTS ABOVE (facts) & you'll be GONE for good thank God... apk

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @08:12PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @08:12PM (#1185610)

            See my subject & answer these questions so you can exterminate yourself more Dalek

            1.) What's the survival rate for COVID (minus co-morbidity factors/other medical issues present already in a person)?

            ANSWER = roughly 99++% across ALL age groups (or close to it)

            2.) WHY TAKE AN UNPROVEN SHOT that generates ALL THESE BAD CONDITIONS:

            periocarditis
            myocarditis
            brain aneurisms
            NERVOUS "twitch" disorders (sp? gillian barre etc.)
            PARALYSIS
            lung CLOTS
            cancer
            sterility

            BASED ON FALSE POSITIVE RESULT GENERATING PCR TESTS per all the evidences I noted here on that note vs. your bs WHICH HELPED ME PROVE IT no less, lol https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1185265#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

            (To which the CDC got rid of OLD TESTS (that did false positives due to cycling turned up too high to panic sheeple into taking a CLOT SHOT) & NOW "new tests" are out? No thanks!)

            They don't KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING (or do & want to kill you)!

            PCR test cycles TURNED UP TOO HIGH in cycling per Kary Mullis the NOBEL LAUREATE who was awarded the NOBEL PRIZE for that test (nobody knows it better than he - HE INVENTED IT) DID OCCUR & the fact "new tests" out out PROVES IT - but those that took the shot based on FALSE POSITIVE RESULTS I list above ARE IN DEEP SHIT (dead).

            * Especially when a PFizer scientist ADMITS natural immunity is better (NDA he signed got him scared for it too, admitting it)

            https://www.brighteon.com/2aa6d13f-e0bb-4fd7-8f7a-fb36df5e0b18 [brighteon.com]

            Hmmm?

            3.) E.G. All you have to REALLY "endure" is a flu like condition pretty much - e.g. My Mom's 84++ & SURVIVED IT - a pussy like you can't, obviously (lol)!

            * YOUR "CURE" IS WORSE THAN THE DISEASE!

            Of course per your 'threat' of downmod bombing me quoted here:

            Once this account is old enough to be eligible to moderate, I'll be happy to give you the spam mods you deserve - by dalek (15489) on Wednesday October 06, @11:10PM (#1184989)

            THANKS FOR SHOWING US YOUR "MODUS OPERANDI" SOCKPUPPETEER troll!

            (... of being THE LOWEST OF THE FUCKING LOW, you pitiful weak troll (no confidence in your bs too, hiding behind FAKENAME FUCK sockpuppet accounts galore no doubt)).

            Oh & THAT'S NOT GOING ON here on SOYLENTNEWS?

            BS - SOYLENT NEWS' OWN moderators/admins here KNOW it goes on, big write up here on it in fact https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org]

            (On downmod bombing opponents/upmodding their many sockpuppet accounts etc. who "downmod bomb" others when they are BLOWN AWAY by FACTS - AFTER ALL - you ADMIT you're going to try that on me (& fail, I can post here with NO LIMITS or banneability put on me)).

            APK

            P.S.=> Not that you'll admit it or state fact/truth but I wonder about you - ARE YOU INVOLVED IN THIS FOR SOME MONETARY GAIN? Like being part of some firm involved in the production or distribution of this POISON SHOT or other 'biotech' dangerous bs with fools playing with WHAT THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND??

            LASTLY: Want to see something HORRIBLE (like morgellon's disease) RESULTING IN VAX FOLKS' BODIES? Take a peek (1 of TONS LIKE IT I can produce from TONS of MEDICAL PROS of most all ranges) Exclusive VIDEO Captures "Organism" From Vaxxed Soldier's Body https://www.brighteon.com/00d8a2fb-f4c3-43e3-a433-e3aa45b5faf9 [brighteon.com] ... apk

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:04AM (#1185037)

      c6gunner your FAKEname's on a post impersonating me & worse is you altering /. user's words https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45117&page=1&cid=1182129#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] as I challenged you to show you do better work & you can't after you tried to mock me you hypocrite LYING loser.

      * You're online FAKENAME trash c6gunner & a childish dishonest punk!

      PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH TOO saying what I don't on vaccines. I would NEVER say something so STUPID as you SHITWEASELS hide behind UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS & post as me. You WISH you were me & that's why YOUR KIND impersonates me. You can't help you're an immature little BUTTHURT no-mind, lol! I blew you away in TONS OF PLACES and easily dust your no-mind bullshit blatherings. You only post MISINFORMATION & impersonate me because you KNOW NOTHING about tech. PROVE you've done better than I. You'll just DOWNMOD HIDE my post AGAIN & "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" instead of SHOWING US YOUR WORK.

      UNBELIEVABLE how far you LOWLIFE weezils will go. Impersonating me after ALL these years you "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME FUCK. I got FULLY VACCINATED w/ Pfizer in March unlike you LOWLIFE SCUM who HIDE & IMPERSONATE because that's all YOUR KIND can do.

      APK

      P.S.=> Impossible to deny FACT of your FAKEname (for your FAKE wasted lie of a so-called life) on that link above you unbelievable pussy loser... apk

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:19PM (89 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:19PM (#1184787)

    Apparently, republicans don't need masks or vaccines. They are immune to Covid. And reality.

    • (Score: -1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:28PM (29 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:28PM (#1184793)

      Take a moment to really think about what you're saying.
      Do you really believe that natural immunity doesn't exist?
      Do you really believe that natural immunity is inferior to the "vaccine"-imparted "immunity"?
      ...Even when Pfizer's own scientists agree that natural immunity is superior?
      Are you SO invested in hate towards political opponents that you're willing to cling to lies?
      God help you.

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:34PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:34PM (#1184817)

        If you live long enough to get natural immunity.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:44PM (25 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:44PM (#1184823)

        Vaccines are superior in one very critical way: How you get it.

        If you get vaccinated, you risk an approximately 0.0001% chance of complications more serious than "your arm is a bit sore", a 0% chance of dying, and a 0% chance of passing a deadly disease to somebody you care about through the procedure.

        If you acquire natural immunity by getting and surviving Covid, you risk a 1-2% chance of dying, about a 10% chance of being hospitalized (assuming they have available beds, and which will cost you your life savings and a bunch of your future income in the USA thanks to the insanely inefficient privately run health care hodgepodge), an unknown but we think somewhere around 20-30% chance of long-term disabilities, and about a 60% chance of passing it to anybody you live with.

        So natural immunity might be better for you once you have it, but the cost of getting it is high, assuming you place any value at all on human life.

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        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:36PM (13 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:36PM (#1184868)

          If you get vaccinated, you risk an approximately 0.0001% chance of complications more serious than "your arm is a bit sore", a 0% chance of dying, and a 0% chance of passing a deadly disease to somebody you care about through the procedure.

          1 per million? I believe that less than 1 per million vaccine recipients files a successful claim for injury from the vaccine injury compensation fund. I might believe that less than 1 per million serious complications are reported and recorded as attributable to the COVID vaccine. Actual rates? Higher. I think we've vaccinated about 200 million US citizens so far, are you telling me there are less than 200 complications more serious than a sore arm in all of the US so far? That doesn't track with the number of people I know who have had worse.

          0% chance of dying or transmission, to how many significant figures? I'd believe < 0.5%, but those are pretty crappy odds for risk of death, especially if you are exposed multiple times daily. If you are implying less than 1 per million with your 0%, you are making that up and you are dead wrong. Transmission happens via vaccinated people - less than non-vaccinated people, approximately 80% less which is really good, but calling it zero is a great way to lose credibility. Symptomatic COVID also happens after vaccination, it's rare but nowhere near 1 per million rare, and of those cases some do indeed die - that might be reaching 1 per million territory. People argue about dying with COVID vs dying of COVID, and that will never get untangled. Overall death rates are still up from 2019 levels, significantly - if that's not COVID, then there really is a big conspiracy out there.

          Basically, when you spout crap like 0%, you sound like my Republican Governor, and are 100% tuned out - prejudicing future statements to also be judged as lame attempts at influencing rather than providing actual information.

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          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:52PM (12 children)

            by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:52PM (#1184882)

            I think we've vaccinated about 200 million US citizens so far, are you telling me there are less than 200 complications more serious than a sore arm in all of the US so far?

            I had a feverish night after taking the vaccine. The next day I was a bit tired due to having trouble sleeping from the fever. The day after I was totally fine. Which I don't consider "serious", because it led to little more than some minor inconveniences. Sore arms have lasted a few days, and might inhibit lifting for a while, so also on a similar scale.

            The closest thing reported as far as serious complications are approximately 90 people experiencing blood clots. Which are entirely treatable, and they all survived.

            0% chance of dying or transmission, to how many significant figures?

            The "0%" numbers I'm referring to are putting in probability terms the fraction 0/200,000,000+, as in it has never once been reported as happening. Nobody has yet been shown to have died as a direct result of getting a Covid-19 vaccination (and don't point me to a VAERS report, because that does not confirm the cause of death for that person, and had a death been shown to have been caused by a vaccine the FDA would have pulled that vaccine already). And there's no mechanism for a Covid-19 vaccine dose to give live Covid-19 to somebody else, since the vaccine contains nothing resembling a live Covid virus.

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            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (8 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (#1184898)

              as in it has never once been reported as happening.

              https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/12/health/covid-vaccine-death.html [nytimes.com]

              56 year old M.D. - dead within reasonable reaction time after receiving vaccine. After careful deliberation it was decided that he died of "natural causes." I'm sure the others have been explained away equally well.

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              • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:44PM (6 children)

                by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:44PM (#1184916)

                After careful deliberation it was decided that he died of "natural causes." I'm sure the others have been explained away equally well.

                So: "Per my own link, doctors and pathologists trained and equipped to evaluate what happened here investigated all the available evidence and concluded that the death was not caused by the vaccine. To the contrary, this story provides evidence that deaths that could conceivably have been caused by vaccines are being actively investigated by people who know what they're doing to look for problems, and so far they haven't found one. However, since I'm reading this story with a preconceived belief that the vaccine is dangerous and doctors are liars, I'm going to assume that everybody in a position to know what actually happened are all liars, and so the evidence against my point is actually evidence for it."

                That's not a very convincing argument.

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                • (Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:57PM (5 children)

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:57PM (#1184927)

                  Never once been reported? False. Reported, investigated, conclusions illogical but supporting the party line.

                  Other stats higher than your Zero arguments:

                  https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html [cdc.gov]

                  Selected (not comprehensive) adverse events:

                  Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States. Severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis, can occur after any vaccination. If this occurs, vaccination providers can effectively and immediately treat the reaction. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis.

                  200 million vaccinated, so that's 400 to 1000 cases of Anaphylaxis. Sucks if one of them is you, but hey, what are the odds, right?

                  CDC and FDA are monitoring reports of Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS) in people who have received the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine. GBS is a rare disorder where the body’s immune system damages nerve cells, causing muscle weakness and sometimes paralysis. Most people fully recover from GBS, but some have permanent nerve damage. After more than 14.8 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 210 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of September 22, 2021. These cases have largely been reported about 2 weeks after vaccination and mostly in men, many 50 years and older. CDC will continue to monitor for and evaluate reports of GBS occurring after COVID-19 vaccination and will share more information as it becomes available.

                  GBS is one of those "welp, this is my life now" sucky outcomes that sticks with you, often for decades or until death.

                  Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of September 22, 2021, VAERS has received 1,541 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 892 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.

                  There's a thousand cases of heart infection, slightly scarier than a sore arm.

                  A review of available clinical information, including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records, has not established a causal link to COVID-19 vaccines. However, recent reports indicate a plausible causal relationship between the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and TTS, a rare and serious adverse event—blood clots with low platelets—which has caused deaths pdf icon[1.4 MB, 40 pages].

                  So, we're not going to come out on the government website and say that the vaccine has killed anybody, but there is a plausible causal relationship between one of the vaccines and some now dead people.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:51PM (2 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:51PM (#1184963)

                    "supporting the party line."

                    Ah, and here I thought you weren't a conservative hack. Yuck. Otherwise I appreciate your posts, but comments like the one I quoted inform people that your commentary is informed by conspiracy theories.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @01:10AM (1 child)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @01:10AM (#1185029)

                      The govt is mandating the vaccines and will not take no for an answer. Anything that would make the vaccines look like anything less than mother's milk is being suppressed. That's just a fact.

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:03AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:03AM (#1185095)

                        That's just a fact.

                        No, it isn't and you know that, so you are a liar. We will hang you at dawn, followed by the drawing and quartering, and the auto de fe. We have been too easy on Republican thus far.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:24PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:24PM (#1185271)

                    Wow, you found 1000 cases of adverse affect, which means he was lying to you!

                    It isn't 1 in a million, it is 1 in a 100,000, so there!

                    Also, "maybe some people died of the vaccine, we aren't sure, but maybe 3 deaths could be attributed to one of the versions of the vaccine."

                    Meanwhile, 1,965 new covid deaths in the US yesterday: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailydeaths [cdc.gov]

                    Yeah, I think this a pretty easy decision, the numbers aren't even close.

                    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday October 08 2021, @01:13AM

                      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday October 08 2021, @01:13AM (#1185358)

                      It's one in 100,000 that have been reported - that the process has deemed worthy to induct into their system and report.

                      I have worked in Medical Device companies for 30 years. Our best estimates of field complaint rates (not involving death) are that we get approximately 1 complaint to the company for every 20 adverse events. Vaccine injury may have a different number, probably in the range of 10 to 30, I can guarantee you it's not less than 2.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:14AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:14AM (#1185085)

                It's pointless arguing with a religious zealot like Thexalon. Logic and facts didn't put him in that position, and logic and facts won't get him out of it.

                It's just another example of a Democrat's inability to understand anything other than Black and White. There is no gray in their world. Any questioning of the Received Wisdom From Authority is Heresy and You Must Be Stoned To Death, or at least cancelled.

            • (Score: 3, Informative) by ElizabethGreene on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:47PM (2 children)

              by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:47PM (#1184918) Journal

              The closest thing reported as far as serious complications are approximately 90 people experiencing blood clots.

              The most serious and common side effects reported to date are anaphylaxis occurring in roughly 1-in-200,000 individuals[1] and subsequent deaths (> 95) [1]. The vaccination protocol was reworked to deal with this risk, e.g. vaccination sites (are supposed to) monitor patients for warning signs after they receive the vaccine and now are required to have emergency treatment on hand to respond to anaphylaxis.

              [1] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8255352/ [nih.gov]

              • (Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:51PM

                by ElizabethGreene (6748) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:51PM (#1184923) Journal

                (I neglected to add...)

                This rate of side effects is far less than the risk of dying from Covid among all age ranges. People without infection acquired immunity should get vaccinated. I support their right not to, but they should get vaccinated.

              • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:03PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:03PM (#1184931)

                you people who believe the government (ZOG government services corp) and big pharma are beyond pitiful.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:41PM (10 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:41PM (#1184873)

          an approximately 0.0001% chance of complications more serious than "your arm is a bit sore"

          0.02% per shot, at the very, very least (86 thousand urgent care reports per 398 million doses).
          https://openvaers.com/covid-data [openvaers.com]

          a 0% chance of dying

          https://openvaers.com/openvaers/openvaers-deaths [openvaers.com]

          about a 60% chance of passing it to anybody you live with.

          15-22% https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.29.20164590v1 [medrxiv.org]

          Pants on fire, Mr. Liar.

          • (Score: 5, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:55PM (4 children)

            by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:55PM (#1184885)

            What VAERS says is that X number of people died after being vaccinated.

            VAERS DOES NOT say that the vaccines were the cause of death.

            Please extinguish your own pants first.

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            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Username on Wednesday October 06 2021, @10:11PM (3 children)

              by Username (4557) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @10:11PM (#1184977)

              And x number of people died with covid, not from covid.

              Cannot just use that logic to make covid look scary then turn around and dismiss it when it makes the vaccine look scary. We need to be consistent.

              We're going to have a few million people die with vaccine just like we had a few million die with covid.

              • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 07 2021, @04:36PM (2 children)

                by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 07 2021, @04:36PM (#1185207)

                There have been ZERO deaths proven to be caused by the vaccines. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html [cdc.gov]

                Meanwhile, we are over 700,000 dead in the US alone due to COVID19. Are there some counted that should not have been? I imagine so, however I am also willing to bet that there are just as many that weren't counted that should be.

                COVID19 is scary. If you're thinking it's not, you haven't been paying attention or are being deliberately obtuse.

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                • (Score: 2) by Username on Friday October 08 2021, @09:47AM (1 child)

                  by Username (4557) on Friday October 08 2021, @09:47AM (#1185476)

                  Nothing in the link proves the deaths were not caused by the vaccine.

                  Nothing in the link proves deaths were not caused by covid.

                  The only thing that was proved is that if you hypocritically dismiss all deaths with vaccine, while keeping the deaths with covid, you will get those numbers.

                  My point still stands. You need to apply the same system for recording deaths to both, or use it with neither, in order to compare results. Otherwise it's nonsense. You need the same metrics.

                  I can do this too. Let's say 700,000 fish have died while in water, and 7,000 fish have died while having water-vaccine. We cannot prove the water or vaccine killed either, but i'm only going to apply that to the vaccine related deaths and make it 0 and link to a post about correlation doesn't equal causation. Bam. 0 fish died from water-vaccine.

                  • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday October 11 2021, @08:07PM

                    by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 11 2021, @08:07PM (#1186270)

                    Your analogy is close, but flawed. The numbers for COVID19 and the vaccines ARE using the same metrics (i.e. proven data).

                    The VAERS data only shows reported adverse affects after a vaccination. That's it. There is no proof of causation, whether it be death or whatever. There could be a link, or it could be completely coincidental. The only data you can get from VAERS is that something happened AFTER a vaccination. It does not say that something happened BECAUSE of a vaccination. Using that data as proof that the vaccines are dangerous is highly misleading.

                    The CDC, on the other hand, is keeping track of causes of death. There is ample proof that COVID19 has killed 700K+. There is zero proof that the vaccines have killed anyone. Therefore, we are using the same metrics.

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:32PM (4 children)

            by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:32PM (#1184904)

            What the sibling reply said about VAERS is absolutely correct. VAERS reports mean that a vaccine dose happened, then something bad happened, which is not the same thing as the vaccine dose causing something bad. Post hoc fallacy and all that.

            [chance of complications] 0.02% per shot, at the very, very least (86 thousand urgent care reports per 398 million doses).

            Which means that if we accepted every single one of these reports as being "vaccines caused a problem", it means that you're 100 times more likely to die from Covid than you are to experience a problem worthy of a doctor's office from getting vaccinated. Which means said vaccine is still massively safer.

            [chance of transmission to household members] 15-22%

            Which, if we accept that number, is still a massively higher risk than the 0% chance offered by vaccination. There's absolutely no mechanism for a vaccine to make somebody else sick.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:42AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @12:42AM (#1185022)

              It doesn't even mean that. It means that random people filed reports claiming that happened. Are good number legitimate, yes. But there are also a large number of fake reports in there about the coronavirus vaccines too. Right wing groups admit to filing false ones and a glance at the data shows a large number of obviously impossible data.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:21AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @07:21AM (#1185086)

              Nobody sensible is arguing that the vaccine is worse than COVID. They are objecting to your paternalistic attitude and denial of facts.
              The vaccine causes SOME adverse events. The disease causes MORE adverse events. The disease IS worse than the vaccine. That does NOT make the vaccine perfect. Stop saying the vaccine is PERFECT and people will stop correcting you.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @01:53AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @01:53AM (#1185376)

                "Stop saying the vaccine is PERFECT and people will stop correcting you."

                I haven't seen a single person say that, and when people share reports of vaccine side effects I see people take the reports seriously. If there are any issues with the articles those get called out, and plenty of people are skeptical of single studies with low participant count.

                Stop saying the vaccine is DANGEROUS and people will stop correcting you.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @10:31AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @10:31AM (#1185482)

                  There, there, sonny, why don't you run along and play. Picking out one hyperbolic word and focusing on it as the whole argument is a rather juvenile tactic usually attributed to republicans.

                  The vaccine is dangerous. How dangerous is what the adults capable of nuance are discussing.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:53PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:53PM (#1185003) Journal

        Are you "immune" isn't quite as important as, Are you contagious.

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      • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:03PM

        by epitaxial (3165) on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:03PM (#1185213)

        Like all those other people who are naturally immune to HIV, the flu, the common cold, etc etc. People who talk about that stuff also suck down fast food and smoke Marlboros while complaining about how they don't know whats in the vaccine.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:28PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:28PM (#1184794)

      Correction: You're immune to reality and verfiable facts per my last post here you downmod hid https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] calling ME a TROLL? Please, lol - you're the f'ing STUPID trolls!

      APK

      P.S.=> As far as who is exempted from COVID shots (that only IMBECILES would subject themselves to)? Let's see a list here now too as to THAT: Congress, Legislative Branch, Whitehouse staff, CDC employees, FDA employees, USPS employees, NIAID employees, AND HERE'S THE MAIN KICKER (shoemakers won't WEAR THEIR OWN KILL YOU DEAD SHOES) in PFizer & Moderna employees - NOW, if the shots are SO GOOD (they aren't effective except to speed you on the way to your graves) WHY aren't THOSE bodies' members taking them & INSTEAD ARE EXEMPTED? "Don't they care" about others?? Obviously not & why the hell do those DUMB ENOUGH to subject themselves to LIES & SICKNESS if not DEATH in my link @ the start of this care if "stupid folks" (like me, lol - far from dumb enough to die by a death shot) don't take the CLOTShot? We'll be DEAD, right?? Wrong - other way around & YOU ALL KNOW IT (hence the inability to disprove the points I noted in my link above)... apk

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:53PM (49 children)

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @05:53PM (#1184799) Journal

      All kidding aside, there's almost no point in any news around the science with this one anymore, at least not for most of the general public. All the disparities in vaccination rates amoung, for example, racial groups etc, have pretty much evened out...but the disparity between those on the left and right has increased.

      Those on the left for the most part are doing the right thing in terms of COVID, especially in terms of getting vaccinated. Those on the right for the most part aren't. The sad part is that they're not doing so primarily because of sole-less politicians on the right that decided that following Trump's lead in politicizing the pandelic (and ratcheting it up if anything)...many of whom probably (like Trump) got vaccinated themselves...is a good "political strategy"...and that all the death it causes is acceptable collateral damage. We've got plenty of the same bullshit here to...like runaway's endless bullshit about Fauci etc (yet another vaccinated hypocritical shithead by the way).

      As I write this I almost can't believe I've lived to see something so massively fucked up.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:37PM (32 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:37PM (#1184818)

        Leftists do 2 things RIGHT (dying vs. facts in this post I put up you downmod hid since you can't prove its points wrong & LITERALLY DYING) https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] so you are correct in "no point in any news around the science with this one anymore" since you have PROVEN you can't prove facts I put up wrong.

        AND additionally

        Leftists are also DYING (figureatively) since they publicly have humilitated themselves being reduced to a "downmod" from the SOCKPUPPET gallery of TRUE TROLLS on soylent (& other sites galore) that upmod themselves via many sockpuppet accounts OR downmod what blows their bullshit away (per my 1st link above).

        Your own admin staff writes about sockpuppeteer CHEATING in moderation abuse going on on THIS site in fact https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org]

        APK

        P.S.=> I actually feel SORRY for those dumb enough to take the vax - they've committed suicide & MORE SORRY for "apologists" like YOU that can't take out facts I put up you can't disprove since they are VALID, verifiable & UNDENIABLE - facts are like that & the BANE of the lying deluded LEFTISTS, period (& everyone sane knows it except leftist brain-damaged deceivers who deceive ONLY THEMSELVES apparently)... apk

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:42PM (2 children)

          by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:42PM (#1184822) Journal

          Holy fuck. Was any of that intended to make any sense? Where's my "-1 Go Back on Your Meds" mod?

          • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:49PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:49PM (#1184826)

            Call him names but he crushed you with facts you can't disprove https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and you had to downmod hide them so you lose, leftist.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:44AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:44AM (#1185051)

            See subject: c6gunner IMPERSONATED ME to spread MISINFORMATION because he's a loser JEALOUS JOWIE & he KNOWS it. That wasn't me & I would NEVER post something so STUPID. I've been FULLY VACCINATED since March w/ Pfizer unlike these no-mind shitweasels. These lowlife "ne'er-do-wells" attack you digitalaudiorock & try to make me look bad because I've dusted their no-mind bullshit blatherings REPEATEDLY & they KNOW they CAN'T DO BETTER than I. You can see C6GNNER impersonated me here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45117&page=1&cid=1182129#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] & FAILED miserably.

            They TRIED to downmod me (literally 100's of downmods levelled on my posts the past week - I just overrode them via my UNLIMITED ac post ability (which I'm SURE a guy like YOU knows how I do it)) - they failed that too! That's why they're impersonating & STALKING me now.

            * They ALWAYS do themselves in - every single time & they ARE completely DEFICIENT & PATHETIC! They hide behind UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS & stalk me because they WISH they were me.

            (Everyone KNOWS that for years now, ever since I put out my hosts engine which stops ads/tracking scripts/threats online & SPEEDS you up 2 ways (hardcode fav sites resolved 1st & adblocking FASTER vs. any other method & you control it, easily locally, yourself)? They've been "at me" but LOSING bigtime (that link above REALLY "seals the DEAL" on them - best part? They DID IT TO THEMSELVES (getting me to look into it & telling me who they are when IMPERSONATING me)).

            APK

            P.S.=> Funny how since mid 2012 when I released my hosts program I got attacked (always was upmodded a LOT on /. before that, suddenly after that, much less & TONS of downmods occurred - "Gosh, I wonder WHY?" NOT - their profits are adversely affected in webmasters + advertisers mostly, inferior security issue riddled competitors next, malware makers last (they just make more keeping ME "in business" stalling them)). Now I've left /. so they continue to STALK & IMPERSONATE me here. Unbelievable... apk

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:49PM (19 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:49PM (#1184827) Journal

          I actually feel SORRY for those dumb enough to take the vax - they've committed suicide

          Do you have a cite for that?

          When I got my 1st, 2nd and 3rd covid-19 shot, I felt quite liberated. Happy.

          That is similar to everyone I know who is vaccinated.

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          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:03PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:03PM (#1184834)

            He cites known facts you can lookup yourself https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

            All you sockpuppet moderation cheaters downmod hid it where he lists facts from serious authorities on MRNA, PCR tests, in the inventors of both and who knows that better than they do or did, plus WHO changes and more including bad side effects even the vax makers now warn of.

            Look up his points and prove them wrong. Good luck on that. Can't be done to facts.

            QUESTION: Why would you take a shot for a disease that very rarely kills with a 95-99++% survival rate for anyhow? Especially since it has such a big list of dangerous side effects?? You got chumped is why.

            You feel ok??? For now. Wait until you're exposed to another CORONA based infection and cytokine storms inflammation rejection starts for you. Flu season is just around the corner. Be very afraid.

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:35PM (5 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:35PM (#1184866) Journal

              I see the "facts" you linked to. And your bible quotation.

              Revelation 18:23 = "for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.” & GREEK for SORCERY/WITCHCRAFT = Pharmakeia (pharmaceuticals)...

              I would refer you to an answer I gave here. [soylentnews.org]

              Here is another thing I would point out about conditions in the present day when this post was written:
              (referring to Rev 13)
              * there is currently no beast
              * there is currently no false prophet
              * there is currently no image of the beast created by the false prophet
              * there is currently no global mandate to bow down to the non yet existing image
              * there is no global mandate to take a mark

              I also pointed out that I know of missionaries who have been vaccinated in order that they can travel safely and follow their calling.

              I have heard the argument about the greek word translated to English as "sorceries" is Pharmakeia and therefore MUST SOMEHOW have some connection with pharmaceuticals and vaccines. Maybe all vaccines and all drugs of any kind whatsoever. So definitely do not take any DayQuill! Oh my! I find such an argument unconvincing.

              I know the text. I read and reread it. I watch for the rise of antichrist. But I don't see it yet. This vaccine is not the droids you are looking for. Move along.

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              People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:54PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:54PM (#1184884)

                John the revelator wrote from patmos (isle off Greece iirc) & used GREEK originally, so don't even TRY "outsmart me" on scripture (& your bs doesn't apply to MY post period though I could tear that up easily too) OR greek since any FOOL can see the roots of PHARMA (& all its derivates) roots of "pharmakeia". Same virtue knowing LATIN has for roots for meanings of terms.

                I also see you AVOID this to NO END since it's facts you can't get the best of too & instead you all 'downmod hid" it, lol https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

                * Satan uses scripture too & RELATIVE TRUTH (fails vs. facts, merely a point of view SATAN himself used to deceive EVE the dumb bitch) - it fails with your "interpretations", lol - the province of losers vs. fact & common-sense, everytime.

                APK

                P.S.=> Everyone knows (especially admins on this site who state it here) Soylentnews has become sockpuppet fake account heaven for the real trolls on this site https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org] that upmod themself (under many fake accounts) and downmod hide facts you can't overcome per the 1st link posted above.

                • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:09PM (2 children)

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:09PM (#1184894) Journal

                  John the revelator wrote from patmos (isle off Greece iirc) & used GREEK originally . . . etc

                  Yes, I've had six decades to learn all this and more.

                  so don't even TRY "outsmart me" on scripture

                  I gave a few quotations, and my own views of it, and stated it is just my opinion. (But those views are not my opinion alone.)

                  I would never try to outsmart someone as obviously clever as yourself.

                  If you think this particular vaccine is the mark of the beast, I will not attempt any further to convince you otherwise. There is no point.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:33PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:33PM (#1184906)

                    As he said on Satan quoting scripture too using "relative truth' (fails vs. facts, just as you all seem to do here avoiding all of his points and downmod hiding it) https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] you admit you fail then by using your 'interpretations' where you admit greek is the root language used for pharmakeia now, correctly, and sense says like Latin, you determine meanings of words by their native/root tongue and go from there. You also avoid his question on why you'd take a shot that is known to fuck you up. Why's that? Tough to deny it based on facts in the link above, isn't it? I feel sorry for you man. I really do. you got suckered. All they have to do is make people be afraid to turn them into SHEEPLE! Don't ever try outsmart APK. He's made a career of making others "EAT THEIR WORDS" & literally has destroyed his opponents using that very phrase most every time he does. Slashdotters have seen him do it 1,000's of times.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:28PM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:28PM (#1184953)

                      why you'd take a shot that is known to fuck you up

                      I got vaccinated. It didn't fuck me up at all. Am I doing it wrong?

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                      / When I dream of dyin' / I never feel so loved (So loved) / -- Shaed, Trampoline [genius.com]

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:03PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:03PM (#1184887)

                Odd you avoid a question he asked of you here in you now deflecting from it https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184834#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:14PM (2 children)

            by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:14PM (#1184848) Journal

            This AC shithead is replying to his own bullshit to fake some sort of consensus, just as he, and his other personality apparently, did in the thread "they" keep linking to.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:25PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:25PM (#1184856)

              Call him names! It proves you fail against his facts you had to down mod hide here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184834#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and it's so amusing watching you fakename forums clowns (fact, not name calling OR is the fakename you are using on your birth certificate? No, it's not) as you fail against known facts. You keep proving his points. Especially about yourselves! "Generating consensus"? Give us a break! Everyone knows (especially admins on this site who state it here) Soylentnews has become sockpuppet fake account heaven for the real trolls on this site https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=21/08/19/0211237 [soylentnews.org] that upmod themself (under many fake accounts) and downmod hide facts you can't overcome per the 1st link posted above.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:01PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:01PM (#1184929)

              This AC shithead is replying to his own bullshit to fake some sort of consensus

              The OP "pulled an aristarchus"

          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:40PM (6 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:40PM (#1184872)

            If you were suffering from fear of COVID before the vaccine, I can definitely see how getting it is liberating and a good trade for any risk that the vaccine poses. The odds of avoiding severe COVID effects are definitely better post-vaccination.

            If you aren't suffering from fear of COVID, the risks of vaccination become relatively more significant.

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            • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:04PM (5 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:04PM (#1184890) Journal

              My wife and I were not suffering from fear before the vaccine. We were concerned and wanted to be safe. So we acted in a way to keep ourselves safe. We used hand sanitizers liberally. Wore masks. Severely limited interactions with people we did not know. We got groceries delivered to our front door. Wiped everything down. We stayed home alone for Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. It wasn't fun. But we didn't get covid. There are people we know who did get it.

              My office was a ghost town. So I continued to go in to the office. Only one or sometimes two other people there and we didn't happen to have work spaces close to each other.

              Getting vaccinated was great. We still wear masks when we go out.

              I just learned this morning that someone my wife knows just got covid. We are trying to avoid that for ourselves.

              Otherwise, life is happy. Still continuously employed.

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              People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:38PM

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:38PM (#1184910)

                I have been fortunate on the employment front. I was work from home when my company got acquired by a "big fish" with an office local to my home 8 years ago. Since then, I have been sort-of expected to report to the office on a sort-of regular basis, but a colleague (same level 8 years ago, promoted to management 2 years ago) was cheering hard for me to continue keeping up the work from home practices and demonstrating to the team how it's done. So, naturally, post-COVID he has negotiated that our department is not returning to office with the rest who were ordered to start "transitioning in, 2 days a week" last week.

                Part of the "fear" statement is poking fun at those who "don't fear the COVID" - like so many of my neighbors who have gone down with it for 6 weeks and longer. One (ex-physician aged 62) died 8 months post-infection, did he die "of COVID" even if he didn't have an active infection at the time? Sure seems like it to me. He retired from medical practice when he contracted COVID, had an abrupt and fatal cardiac event this 4th of July.

                We have an above average fear of vaccines in this house - not so much fear, but mistrust. Being told to give your 2 year old a Hep-A vaccine and watching his temperature spike to 108F several hours later will do that. We still get "the classics" like tetanus, but the smorgasbord of every new vaccine for every little thing is more than we think is a good idea. Now this one gets rushed out, seems to have gone O.K. so far - but some of our concern centers around not only the safety / efficacy of the vaccine "as designed" but also "as delivered."

                Obligatory bad car analogy: I want a Tesla Pickup, but I don't want it bad enough to get one during the first year of production.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:08PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:08PM (#1184934)

                "My wife and I were not suffering from fear before the vaccine. We were concerned and wanted to be safe. So we acted in a way to keep ourselves safe. We used hand sanitizers liberally. Wore masks. Severely limited interactions with people we did not know. We got groceries delivered to our front door. Wiped everything down. We stayed home alone for Thanksgiving and Christmas last year. It wasn't fun. But we didn't get covid. There are people we know who did get it."

                lmao! I go everywhere without a mask and have not received clot shot and i haven't gotten covid either. kind of like the bear tax i guess.

                • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:17PM (2 children)

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:17PM (#1184942) Journal

                  I go everywhere without a mask and have not received clot shot and i haven't gotten covid either. kind of like the bear tax i guess.

                  The opposite of concern and care is reckless.

                  It's like saying, I go out in lightning storms with my tinfoil hat and I've never been struck by lightning. Kind of like the lightning tax.

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                  People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:58PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:58PM (#1185007)

                    I have this rock that prevents tiger attacks and Covid-19. Would you like to buy it?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:38AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:38AM (#1185113)

                      You should check out the reddit section hermancainaward that shows all the people saying the same things as you, then they get COVID and die. Some regret their decisions, some go to their graves spewing the same lives that got them killed.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:39PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:39PM (#1184960)

            When I got my 1st, 2nd and 3rd covid-19 shot, I felt quite liberated. Happy.

            Why does that remind me of all those born again Christians who can't stay out of your face, demanding that you share their experience? Sounds like this whole vax-or-be-canceled thing is just a new religion. Members of the religion choose to mark themselves by wearing masks.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:41AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:41AM (#1185049)

            See subject: c6gunner IMPERSONATED ME to spread MISINFORMATION because he's a loser JEALOUS JOWIE & he KNOWS it. That wasn't me & I would NEVER post something so STUPID. I've been FULLY VACCINATED since March w/ Pfizer unlike these no-mind shitweasels. These lowlife "ne'er-do-wells" attack you DannyB because I've dusted their no-mind bullshit blatherings REPEATEDLY & they KNOW they CAN'T DO BETTER than I. You can see C6GNNER impersonated me here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45117&page=1&cid=1182129#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] & FAILED miserably.

            They TRIED to downmod me (literally 100's of downmods levelled on my posts the past week - I just overrode them via my UNLIMITED ac post ability (which I'm SURE a guy like YOU knows how I do it)) - they failed that too! That's why they're impersonating & STALKING me now.

            * They ALWAYS do themselves in - every single time & they ARE completely DEFICIENT & PATHETIC! They hide behind UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS & stalk me because they WISH they were me.

            (Everyone KNOWS that for years now, ever since I put out my hosts engine which stops ads/tracking scripts/threats online & SPEEDS you up 2 ways (hardcode fav sites resolved 1st & adblocking FASTER vs. any other method & you control it, easily locally, yourself)? They've been "at me" but LOSING bigtime (that link above REALLY "seals the DEAL" on them - best part? They DID IT TO THEMSELVES (getting me to look into it & telling me who they are when IMPERSONATING me)).

            APK

            P.S.=> Funny how since mid 2012 when I released my hosts program I got attacked (always was upmodded a LOT on /. before that, suddenly after that, much less & TONS of downmods occurred - "Gosh, I wonder WHY?" NOT - their profits are adversely affected in webmasters + advertisers mostly, inferior security issue riddled competitors next, malware makers last (they just make more keeping ME "in business" stalling them)). Now I've left /. so they continue to STALK & IMPERSONATE me here. Unbelievable... apk

        • (Score: 4, Informative) by tangomargarine on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:09PM (4 children)

          by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:09PM (#1184893)

          you downmod hid since you can't prove its points wrong

          This sentiment always amuses me. Posters not disgruntled because others disagree with them, or are hurting their karma, or are modding them incorrectly out of vindictiveness -- but they're *hiding my post*!

          ...which doesn't really do a whole lot because you can just click the "+" to expand, and by default I want to say everybody sees posts at -1 merely collapsed, not hidden? It's not censorship if it's still there.

          --
          "Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
          • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (3 children)

            by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:27PM (#1184899) Journal

            While 3 Leftists don't make a right wing nutjob, it only takes one wrong to make a right wing nutjob.

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            People today are educated enough to repeat what they are taught but not to question what they are taught.
            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:51PM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:51PM (#1184924)

              Funny then how APK totally destroyed you on Greek roots vs your relative truth "interpretations" when a guy with actual knowledge busted you so bad you had to concede his points here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184906#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] and not odd that all you all had vs verifiable facts APK put out was more abused downmods to hide all this too then https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:57PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:57PM (#1184928)

                you're not generating any sympathy for yourself by carpet-bombing these posts all over the thread dude

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:55PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:55PM (#1184965)

                  He doesn't want sympathy, he wants people to fully validate his craziness and anything less sends him into a religious crusade against cancerous windmills!

        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:24PM

          by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:24PM (#1184993)

          Leftists do 2 things RIGHT (dying vs. facts ...

          I see why you're demanding links from everybody, cos you certainly ain't finding the info on your own! Heh.

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          🏳️‍🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️‍🌈
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:09AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @02:09AM (#1185041)

          c6gunner your FAKEname's on a post impersonating me & worse is you altering /. user's words https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45117&page=1&cid=1182129#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] as I challenged you to show you do better work & you can't after you tried to mock me you hypocrite LYING loser. I CAUGHT YOU impersonating me here too https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=45332&page=1&cid=1184773#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] & posting LIES.

          * You're online FAKENAME trash c6gunner & a childish dishonest punk!

          PUTTING WORDS IN MY MOUTH TOO saying what I don't on vaccines. I would NEVER say something so STUPID as you SHITWEASELS hide behind UNIDENTIFIABLE ANONYMOUS & post as me. You WISH you were me & that's why YOUR KIND impersonates me. You can't help you're an immature little BUTTHURT no-mind, lol! I blew you away in TONS OF PLACES and easily dust your no-mind bullshit blatherings. You only post MISINFORMATION & impersonate me because you KNOW NOTHING about tech. PROVE you've done better than I. You'll just DOWNMOD HIDE my post AGAIN & "Run, Forrest: RUN!!!" instead of SHOWING US YOUR WORK.

          UNBELIEVABLE how far you LOWLIFE weezils will go. Impersonating me after ALL these years you "ne'er-do-well" FAKENAME FUCK. I got FULLY VACCINATED w/ Pfizer in March unlike you LOWLIFE SCUM who HIDE & IMPERSONATE because that's all YOUR KIND can do.

          APK

          P.S.=> Impossible to deny FACT of your FAKEname (for your FAKE wasted lie of a so-called life) on that first link above you unbelievable pussy loser... apk

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:58AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @06:58AM (#1185082)

            I am APK, and I approved this posting.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:36PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 07 2021, @05:36PM (#1185229)

            Impersonating me again? Please - what a pack of LOSERS infest this site in soylent news!

            APK

            P.S.=> You really ARE a pack of weak losers & I hope that COVID shot(s) you took KILL you fucker... apk

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @06:38PM (#1184819)

        Praise the Lard and pass the body bags.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:34PM (12 children)

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:34PM (#1184865)

        The sad part is that they're not doing so primarily because of sole-less politicians on the right that decided that following Trump's lead in politicizing the pandelic (and ratcheting it up if anything)...many of whom probably (like Trump) got vaccinated themselves...is a good "political strategy"...and that all the death it causes is acceptable collateral damage.

        So here's the really nutty thing about that: Imagine an alternate universe where Trump just did exactly what CDC director Redford, Surgeon General Adams, and his other medical advisors told him to do. So now Trump is standing up there back in January and February of 2020 telling everyone to mask and socially distance. The US accepts testing kits from the WHO, does substantial testing and contact tracing to try to track the spread as closely as possible, and passes out all the necessary equipment to hospitals such as PPE and ventilators per the bureaucratic plans already in place. And since it's their glorious leader telling them to do all this, the Republican base does it. The Democrats also push the same "we're not playing politics, do masking and social distancing", because pandemics are bad for business, so the Democratic base also does it. So now we get to November 2020, and figuring the same kinds of infection rates as countries that did the same thing we'd have about 3000 deaths and 30,000 cases total, and Trump could run ads about how his responsible leadership saved tens of thousands of lives, not all messed up like those dirty foreigners in Brazil and China. The media goes gaga over the newly responsible Donald Trump showing great results and protecting America from a global plague. It would have helped him immensely politically.

        Which means that it wasn't political expediency that sent the Republicans down the very wrong path.

        Instead, I'd posit 2 other explanations that weren't really about politics so much:
        1. Avarice: When Trump and the people around him saw doctors and states desperate for PPE, and millions of other people desperate for some kind of medical protection and turning to him for answers, they looked at that desperation and saw dollar signs. After all, when people are desperate, they're willing to pay a lot of money to fix their problem, so you want to be in the position to be holding something that appears to be what they need and selling it at premium prices. And that's exactly what they did, with hospital equipment, with hydroxychloroquine, and most recently with ivermectin.
        2. Pride: In Trump's mind, he's the smartest person in any room he's in. After all, he's by all appearances rich, he became president when nobody thought he had a snowball's chance in hell of winning, he'd gotten away with frauds and crimes left and right, and he'd consistently outmaneuvered major financial institutions, media outlets, prosecutors, and trained politicians to get what he wanted. So if he's the smartest person in the room, he's going to be utterly incapable of responding to any situation with "Well, you're the experienced and trained professional, you know far more about this than me, so tell me what needs to happen and I'll make it happen." Instead, his approach would be, and was, "You're an experienced and trained professional, so you're going to fix this the way I want it fixed, and I don't want to hear any excuses or contradicting me or you're fired."

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:50PM (1 child)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @07:50PM (#1184880)

          it wasn't political expediency that sent the Republicans down the very wrong path.

          I attribute "big risk taking" as a strong factor in most Red party thinkers. Sure, they could take precautions, invest a little now and prevent a massive pandemic, but just imagine how good they'll look if the whole thing just blows over and they don't waste a bunch of economic activity on pandemic prevention! I believe DeSantis has been pushing this line since early 2020: re-open sooner, get going faster, we're Florida we don't get the flu. We've got the vaccine now, no excuses: REOPEN! Oh, that darn delta variant, who could have seen that coming? Just keep it open, we'll reach herd immunity eventually.

          To back off from maximal economic growth policies is to betray the party. It's almost like they are hardwired to ignore risk and focus only on the best imaginable outcome. I bet that's how most of them reached their current place in life, and as for the 99.9% who followed the same philosophy but failed? Well, they weren't worthy, they're just parasites we need to get rid of. Has anybody seen John Galt?

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          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:23PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @08:23PM (#1184897)

            Sure, they could take precautions, invest a little now and prevent a massive pandemic, but just imagine how good they'll look if the whole thing just blows over and they don't waste a bunch of economic activity on pandemic prevention!

            And if they had told people to wear homemade masks, and used contact tracing and testing to limit more significant measures to the people likely to actually have Covid-19 back in March 2020, they would have wasted very very little economic activity indeed. So I'm not buying that explanation.

            There are lots of Republicans who I am pretty sure would have had very little problem following the "just do what the doctors say" plan, especially with the doctors telling them "follow this plan, and we can minimize the impact on business". Mike Pence, Jeb Bush, Ben Carson, Rand Paul, Mitt Romney, et al aren't my favorite politicians by any means, but I'm reasonably certain they would have taken the approach of "just listen to your advisors and do what they tell you". The whole "we can't prevent a pandemic, that would hurt business!" idea was a false dilemma made up by people who were hunting for excuses for refusing to do their obvious duty.

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            The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:43PM (8 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:43PM (#1184961) Journal

          The media goes gaga over the newly responsible Donald Trump

          You've gone too far. Just put that crack pipe down, and get on with life.

          If Trump had walked across every river in the US to personally lay hands on COVID sufferers, and cure them of COVID (along with AIDS, cancer, and acne) the media still wouldn't have said anything good about him.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:58PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @09:58PM (#1184967)

            "I didn't vote for the guy"

            says the man baby who doesn't like personal responsibility but defends Herr Drumpf at every opportunity.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Thexalon on Wednesday October 06 2021, @10:06PM

            by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @10:06PM (#1184975)

            I'm figuring that based on the fact that about 3 years ago, he gave a speech that was on-script the whole time and appeared to be serious and reasoned, and the Washington press corps responded quite favorably.

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            The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
          • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:40AM (5 children)

            by Opportunist (5545) on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:40AM (#1185114)

            You have the same with the right wing media and Biden. Frankly, if Biden walked across the Hudson river today, Fox would title "Some prez wannabe, he can't even swim".

            Media outlets cater to their audience. They simply and plainly tell them what they want to hear, so they keep their eyes glued to the screen because those eyes is what they sell to their advertisers.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:35AM (4 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 07 2021, @10:35AM (#1185121) Journal

              Media outlets cater to their audience.

              I dunno if that's true or not. Media outlets most definitely cater to repressive regimes that will punish them if they send the wrong message. Media outlets also cater to those with lots of money. They don't cater so readily to those with limited funds.

              It might be more accurate to say the audience follows the media, wherever the media leads them, especially when there is little to no competition.

              That's a roundabout way of saying that George Soros, Bloomberg, Google and Alphabet, Bezos, Facebook, and select other extremely wealthy SOB disseminate their propaganda through mainstream media.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @01:55AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @01:55AM (#1185379)

                You deny that Fox caters to its audience? Is that why they had lawyers argue that Pecker Carlson and other grifters can't be sued because no reasonable person would believe their lies? You are such a twit.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @02:26AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 08 2021, @02:26AM (#1185388)

                  Lawyers should put forward every possible defense for their clients, even if some of them are contradictory or unflattering, so that they can win an issue on a single technicality. Rachel Maddow and MSNBC just used the same defense you mention to get a defamation lawsuit by OAN dismissed.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 08 2021, @03:44AM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday October 08 2021, @03:44AM (#1185419) Journal

                  Fox caters to Rupert Murdoch more than it caters to Joe Sixpack, watching Fox Four local news after getting home from work in the coal mines.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0sKalTgzPs [youtube.com]

              • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Friday October 08 2021, @08:30AM

                by Opportunist (5545) on Friday October 08 2021, @08:30AM (#1185471)

                That's certainly true in certain countries, but these countries can easily be identified by only having one kind of lie in their media: The one the government likes.

                As long as your media outlets tell lies that differ from them that your government tells, you should be fine.

        • (Score: 2) by shortscreen on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:02PM

          by shortscreen (2252) on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:02PM (#1184988) Journal

          Which means that it wasn't political expediency that sent the Republicans down the very wrong path.

          It's almost like some people just don't believe in unchecked government micromanagement of everyone's daily lives.

      • (Score: 2) by Opportunist on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:37AM (1 child)

        by Opportunist (5545) on Thursday October 07 2021, @08:37AM (#1185112)

        In other words, the selfish pricks are in higher danger of being infected and dying?

        I fail to see the problem.

        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Friday October 08 2021, @05:51PM

          by Thexalon (636) on Friday October 08 2021, @05:51PM (#1185583)

          There are several problems, and they all amount to the problem they cause other people:
          1. While they're getting infected and dying, they're helping to breed mutations that can kill others. That's how Delta and Mu variants came about.
          2. They're using up valuable hospital resources that means people who aren't selfish pricks get heart attacks and other solvable problems they sometimes wind up dead.
          3. They're subjecting medical personnel (aides, nurses, and doctors in approximately that frequency) to breakthrough infections. Which leaves them unable to work for a while, which reduces hospital resources even more. And some of them get killed too, even if the odds are much lower.

          It's just like how drunk drivers get themselves killed fairly frequently, but also sometimes manage to kill other innocent people too.

          --
          The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 06 2021, @11:45PM (#1184996)

      This seems like a good spot to drop this.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpZeYBEYPTE [youtube.com]

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