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posted by martyb on Wednesday October 13, @08:11PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]

[2021-10-13 20:46:32 UTC; Update: Corrected story link.--martyb]

I feel sorry for the accused.

Bomb scare that led to emergency landing at LaGuardia Airport was just passenger adjusting camera: sources:

The “security incident” that forced a New-York bound flight to make an emergency landing at LaGuardia Airport on Saturday turned out to be a misunderstanding — after an airline passenger mistook another traveler’s camera for a bomb, sources said Sunday.

American Airlines Flight 4817 from Indianapolis — operated by Republic Airways — made an emergency landing at LaGuardia just after 3 p.m., and authorities took a suspicious passenger into custody for several hours.

It turns out the would-be “bomber” was just a vintage camera aficionado and the woman who reported him made a mistake, sources said.

Why in the world was the passenger in custody for “several hours”? They didn’t do anything wrong.


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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by maxwell demon on Wednesday October 13, @08:22PM (38 children)

    by maxwell demon (1608) on Wednesday October 13, @08:22PM (#1186756) Journal

    I'm wondering why they needed several hours to distinguish a camera from a bomb. I would have guessed that this should be possible in much shorter time.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:36PM (28 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:36PM (#1186769)

      Security theatre. They have to do the whole show to justify their jobs, because that is what their job actually is.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday October 13, @08:56PM (17 children)

        by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday October 13, @08:56PM (#1186781)

        Except in this case all they're showing their own incompetence. There's only two options:

        1) it's not a bomb, and everyone involved should have been able to determine that it was a false alarm within moments of getting a look at it.
        2) it is a bomb, meaning the huge amount of security theater before boarding was completely worthless.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday October 13, @09:10PM (14 children)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 13, @09:10PM (#1186785) Journal

          How many people know what a film camera is? Or film? Or know that there was a way to take pictures before computers? Nevermind a "vintage" camera.

          Maybe a rotary dial telephone could be mistaken for a bomb timer?

          Once upon a time, people got their mp3's on spools of mylar tape.

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @09:19PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @09:19PM (#1186790)

            Maybe a rotary dial telephone could be mistaken for a bomb timer?

            Once upon a time, people got their mp3's on spools of mylar tape.

            Any more examples while you're on a Rollei?

            • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 14, @01:49PM (4 children)

              by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @01:49PM (#1186962) Journal

              A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, telephones were connected to a wire coming out of the wall. You could only move the phone as far as the length of the wire.

              The only way to put your phone on silent was if the cord was long enough to put the phone into the refrigerator.

              Only fairly well off people could afford to make their YouTube videos which required an 8mm camera, and you could only show them to your immediate circle of friends that lived close enough to come over and view your videos.

              There was no "reality TV". You could only watch a program at the specific time decided by network executive programming dictators directors. TVs were a large box in your living room that you could not carry in your pocket.

              People had to carefully consider whether they could afford to buy a RAM upgrade.

              People used a stick to point at information on a wall chart.

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              • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @07:13PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @07:13PM (#1187081)

                People used a stick to point at information on a wall chart.

                As illustrated here in the first picture on the right [wikipedia.org].

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @12:59AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @12:59AM (#1187414)

                The only way to put your phone on silent was if the cord was long enough to put the phone into the refrigerator.

                My phone sits on the refrigerator, you insensitive clod. Now, shut up or I close the refrigerator's door.

              • (Score: 2) by edIII on Saturday October 16, @11:17PM (1 child)

                by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Saturday October 16, @11:17PM (#1187601)

                Stop it. You're scaring the Millennials :)

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                • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday October 18, @04:06PM

                  by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Monday October 18, @04:06PM (#1188055) Journal

                  They must grow up some day.

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          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday October 13, @10:50PM (2 children)

            by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday October 13, @10:50PM (#1186819)

            Doesn't matter - I'm sure the guy would be happy to (and did) tell them "its a vintage model XYZ camera", which could be confirmed with 10 seconds on Google.

            At which point they've established that the *only* reason to suspect it was a bomb in the first place was completely baseless, and thus have no further reason to suspect it actually is one. Maybe it still is - but that's true of literally everything carried by every person on the plane, and even the idiot shoe-bomber wannabe was smart enough to disguise his bomb as something that wouldn't draw attention.

            If they want to be *really* thorough, have the guy, who to reiterate they no longer have *any* reason to suspect is actually a bomber, open it up himself in a bomb-safe location (usually plenty of fields around an airport), while they watch by video.

            There's no good reason to have detained the man for any longer than it took to top off the fuel tanks to get him and the rest of the passengers back on their way. At best everything beyond that was a performance.

            Paranoid and/or malicious accusations are only becoming more common, and police need to learn to recognize them for what they are and treat them accordingly.

            • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Coligny on Thursday October 14, @02:34AM

              by Coligny (2200) on Thursday October 14, @02:34AM (#1186849)

              Karens have power…

              Bit with low IQ “Better safe than sorry…” is taking a pounding…

            • (Score: 2) by Username on Thursday October 14, @08:11AM

              by Username (4557) on Thursday October 14, @08:11AM (#1186918)

              I'm sure the guy would be happy to (and did) tell them "its a vintage model XYZ camera", which could be confirmed with 10 seconds on Google.

              Yeah, doesn't make sense. Even if it was a bomb, why would they let him hold it? Why would they keep it near all the people? Why didn't they take all the cameras near them if cameras are bombs? Why didn't they subject all the people holding cameras to this search? These questions only makes sense if they thought it was harmless.

              malicious accusations are only becoming more common

              and we don't even have the right to face our accusers anymore. I bet that woman had a purely political grievance against that guy. If they just asked the guy, "would this antifa woman do this because you had a maga hat?" Can flip this antifa-maga any way you like.

          • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday October 14, @01:11AM (3 children)

            by sjames (2882) on Thursday October 14, @01:11AM (#1186838) Journal

            Surely they have some supervisor old enough to remember their parents getting pictures developed at the drug store (chemist). Those not old enough to remember that should be good enough at google to pull up a picture and a web page about the camera based on what the suspect claims it is.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:43AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:43AM (#1186900)

              There was that really creepy movie with Robin Williams in it, where he drove a Honda Echo, just like TMB. Creepy.

            • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @02:16PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @02:16PM (#1186974)

              Face it, nobody cares about what old people know any more. And stop calling me Shirley.

              • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 14, @06:23PM

                by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @06:23PM (#1187064) Journal

                You're right. Once young people valued things older people had learned the hard way.

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          • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday October 14, @06:16PM

            by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday October 14, @06:16PM (#1187056) Homepage Journal

            How many people know what a film camera is?

            More than you think. Camera film was as nonexistent as vinyl records for a time, but I recently bought three rolls of 35mm film at Walgreen's for my 53 year old SLR. They can have it developed, too, but if you want the negatives back you need to take the exposed film to a photo shop like Creve Coure Camera.

            And digital cameras are really a product of this century. Anybody over 30 remembers film cameras, even if it was in their childhood.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @02:54AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @02:54AM (#1187194)

          Over ten years ago. At the airport. Service call. I was to fix a broken power connector in the field.

          During luggage check/boarding, I was asked if I had anything unusual. Yeh, the usual...personal toiletries, change of clothes, a few hand tools, VOM, and a soldering gun.

          GUN?!!??

          Hilarity ensued while my luggage was retrieved and numerous badgehats passed my tools, Simpson 630 , Weller solder gun , solder, flux, solder sucker, and the replacement connector around.

          Thank goodness the pilot knew what they were for.

          You know...those old Cannon/Amphenol circular connectors with the solder cups. Well, an installer misjudged a forklift a bit, and it was a helluva lot easier to move me around than to move that big console.

          Gotta admit they were thorough. Even called my boss, through the main corporate line and would not use his direct access extension

          I learned something that day... Just how few people were aware of common hand tools. It's a wonder we evolved beyond sticks and stones.

          • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Friday October 15, @04:50PM

            by Immerman (3985) on Friday October 15, @04:50PM (#1187309)

            I hate to break it to you, but a soldering iron of any type isn't a common hand tool anymore, if it ever was. Not if "common" means "something most people have at least seen in actual use". And you can say the same of most everything more specialized than a hammer, screwdriver, or saw.

            Modern civilization was built on specialization, where everyone learns more and more about less and less (until at the highest levels they know everything about nothing. Ba-dum-tsh.). In recent decades it's gotten even more dramatic, with a near-total move to non-user-serviceable products - "TV" repair shops went out of business precisely because modern electronics have become so small, complicated, and cheap, that it's very rarely worth fixing something rather than replacing it. While computer analysis and cost-optimization has brought most other products to the point that once one part fails, the rest probably isn't far behind.

            The final result being - if it's not a hand-tool associated with a traditional craft, many/most people are barely aware that it exists, much less what it looks like.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday October 13, @09:58PM (9 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday October 13, @09:58PM (#1186809) Journal

        There is definitely theater going on but this is not it.

        Once you think something may be a bomb moving slowly and carefully is probably a good idea.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:21PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:21PM (#1186811)

          Once you think something may be a bomb moving slowly and carefully is probably a good idea.

          Wise words - there will always be a place for you in the Let's Go Brandon community.

        • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 13, @11:05PM (5 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 13, @11:05PM (#1186822) Homepage Journal

          Enjoy your life of fear. The point is, there was absolutely no reason to suspect that a 35mm camera is a bomb. There is every reason to suspect that the chick involved is probably an "influencer" on Youtube or somesuch.

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          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:47AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:47AM (#1186901)

            Runaway is an idiot. 35mm? Could have been more likely a 5x4, or an 8x10, the really good old cameras with the accordion thing out the front, and a cape, or a hood! But all those are prior to Runaway's experience, and he knows nothing he has not experienced, so he is just the kind of person to report an antique camera as a bomb. Ignorant moron.

          • (Score: 3, Informative) by Nuke on Thursday October 14, @12:29PM (1 child)

            by Nuke (3162) on Thursday October 14, @12:29PM (#1186948)

            I heard it was a twin-lens reflex camera, which usually take 120 film, are larger and rarer than a 35mm film camera, and look quite different. They were made in their day by Rollei, Yashica, Seagull, Mamiya and some others. Nevertheless, soon found by Googling. A 35mm film camera does not look much different from a modern high-end digital camera, although even those are also becoming rare these days except among professionals.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Thursday October 14, @03:19PM

            by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @03:19PM (#1186991)

            The only fear involved in this story is the paranoid passenger. The airlines are also paranoid about bomb threats, so they have to take all reports like this seriously.

            Since we don't have any information about who the people involved were we can't suspect anything.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:18PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:18PM (#1187058)

            just a dumb nosey whore. only dumb whores fly anyways. they all deserve the hours of bullshit.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:28AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:28AM (#1186886)

          Depends on the bomb. Might be best to quietly get a head start on running for cover.

    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Wednesday October 13, @08:51PM

      by looorg (578) on Wednesday October 13, @08:51PM (#1186777)

      Call the bomb squad, wait, find out it's a camera, some standard cavity searching, use ancient camera to take some selfies, since it's not digital developing the pictures takes time.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday October 13, @08:52PM (2 children)

      by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday October 13, @08:52PM (#1186778)

      Yeah. In fact, I don't see why they should have even landed the plane.

      If they really don't want to confront a potentially dangerous passenger, call them up front to deal with some made-up problem with their booking or something, and while they're in conversation with their bag out of sight (sorry sir, no bags are allowed in the hostess area), have someone take a quick peak.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:33PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:33PM (#1187132)

        have someone take a quick peak [... and set off the bomb!]

        We've seen MacGyver and know how many devilishly clever triggers every bomb has! She's lucky she didn't set it off by seeing it already!

        • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Saturday October 16, @06:33AM

          by maxwell demon (1608) on Saturday October 16, @06:33AM (#1187444) Journal

          But if you've seen MacGyver, you should also know that such a bomb can easily be disarmed with a bit of duct tape and a few random things found in the plane. No need to land the plane.

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          The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by MostCynical on Wednesday October 13, @10:27PM (2 children)

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday October 13, @10:27PM (#1186815) Journal

      protocol

      There is probably a checklist for every TLA involved, plus the airline

      Each checklist is likely 20-100 pages long

      Every page needs to be signed, counter-signed and initialed by the appropriate management levels, TLAs (and likely, also, the airline's lawyers)

      None of these people were on site at the emergency landing location, so all had to GET there, check and sing all the forms, then spend alot of time making sure the 'offender' is cowed into NOT suing or making a fuss - which likely took several hours of 'you don't need a lawyer' and 'here, sign this now (or else)'

      Then the plane had to be put through all the pre-flight checks, including possible re-fuelling, and pilot swaps, (depending on flight hours accrued), then re-load meals, etc etc

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by Farmer Tim on Thursday October 14, @04:50AM

        by Farmer Tim (6490) on Thursday October 14, @04:50AM (#1186879)

        … check and sing all the forms…

        Security light opera?

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      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday October 14, @06:34PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @06:34PM (#1187071) Journal

        check and sing all the forms

        I hope the forms are in a key suitable for most vocalists.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:42AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:42AM (#1186899)

      Karen just wanted the manager. This guy should seriously sue and be awarded 7-digit compensation from the cops, the airline and the silly karen (each).

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @06:12PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @06:12PM (#1187331)

      Because US cops are crap? If cops weren't crap "SWATing"[1] wouldn't be dangerous and thus wouldn't be a thing.

      e.g. kids call cops on someone and the cops actually put their lives on the line to serve and protect - including the alleged perp who is "innocent until proven guilty" (instead of being armed cowards who are dangerous to almost everyone they are exposed to).

      And so nothing happens, in the end the kids try other stuff instead.

      I mean if a prankster hoax called firefighters to a place, they don't mindlessly blast the place with high pressure water.

      See also: https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836 [go.com]

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swatting [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by captain normal on Wednesday October 13, @08:22PM (3 children)

    by captain normal (2205) on Wednesday October 13, @08:22PM (#1186757)

    Why does the link to TFA link to S/N, but then goes to 404 error?

    • (Score: 2) by martyb on Wednesday October 13, @08:53PM (2 children)

      by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 13, @08:53PM (#1186779) Journal

      Why does the link to TFA link to S/N, but then goes to 404 error?

      There was an extra space at the start of the story link. The fix should appears shortly.

      Or could I claim "Pics or it didn't happen"?

      ;(

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by weilawei on Wednesday October 13, @08:26PM (2 children)

    by weilawei (109) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 13, @08:26PM (#1186758) Homepage
    That's why they were held and that's why our legal system pleads out 98% of cases as guilty.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:29PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:29PM (#1186764)

      The worst effect of that (certainly intentional) is that once a case is plead out guilty, there's no trial by a jury of peers to establish the truth of the matter. If the prosecution can exert enough coercive pressure, typically by overcharging, then defendants qre essentially making forced "confessions" under duress.

      Our whole society loses by not establishing the truth properly. There's no way 98% of all arrested are guilty--we've seen enough innocent people on death row to know that.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Wednesday October 13, @08:46PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Wednesday October 13, @08:46PM (#1186773)

        Even better - when most victims of such policies are coerced into admitting guilt, it makes the statistics for the effectiveness of just about any policy look really good:

        "98% of suspicious individuals identified by our anal crime probes were found guilty"

        Makes your anal probing policy sound really effective and worthy of greater funding and less oversight, when in reality all you're showing is that your legal system is really good at getting confessions out of anyone who enters.

        And since most of the populace (and their representatives) are too ignorant and/or perversely motivated to recognize the flaw, such things can readily grow ever more invasive.

        We didn't get to be the most-incarcerated nation on Earth by accident.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:31PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:31PM (#1186766)

    BioHazards, as someone else's really bad farts are taken for a terrorist attack.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by SomeGuy on Wednesday October 13, @08:33PM

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday October 13, @08:33PM (#1186767)

    Someone, please make a movie that prominently features a "bomb" that looks like the latest Apple iPhone.

    Then we will sit back grab some popcorn, and watch as many more idiots cause chaos.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:37PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @08:37PM (#1186770)

    Turning into the Home of the Afraid.

    Five years after the 9/11 attack, I was on an airplane and the passengers were afraid when a woman's computer mouse case slid down the aisle during takeoff.

    The more we are afraid, the better the chance the government has of "keeping us safe".

    So sad.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:20PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:20PM (#1186810)

      I was on better flight... woman next to me stored her travel bag in the over head. 3x quart jars of white lighten broke on takeoff a flowed the length of plane. Only the thing stewardess said... "No Smokling and No Matches allowed"

      Makes yoiu just feel safe doesn't?

      • (Score: 2) by sjames on Thursday October 14, @01:18AM (3 children)

        by sjames (2882) on Thursday October 14, @01:18AM (#1186840) Journal

        Actually, I would appreciate the flight crew keeping calm in a situation that doesn't call for any alarm. And I would feel safer by virtue on not needing to worry that someone might see a diagram in some tech manual I am reading and decide I am the next underwear bomber.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 14, @05:32AM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @05:32AM (#1186888) Homepage Journal

          YES! That ^ exactly. Panic and theatrics make every situation worse.

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          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:51AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:51AM (#1186902)

            NO! Only if you have Fox News fed livestock involved. What kind of stupid fucking Republicans do you have to have to freak out over a camera, or student wired timer project, or Critical Race theory? Best to just shoot all the Republicans, before they get on the plane, before they make mistakes like this, again.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:06AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:06AM (#1187416)

            Panic and theatrics make every situation worse.

            Like exposing the dangers of the vax, no?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:22PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:22PM (#1186812)

      We have upgraded since then. Now our buildings collapse and kill people all by themselves. No terrorists needed.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Wednesday October 13, @08:49PM (15 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Wednesday October 13, @08:49PM (#1186775)

    Remember a few years ago when a light bright thing in Boston caused a panic? Oh yeah, here it is. [wikipedia.org]

    The average idiot is an idiot, and "see something say something" is designed to capture information on innocent people who don't conform to the "saw something" dipshit's worldview.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by captain normal on Thursday October 14, @02:48AM (14 children)

      by captain normal (2205) on Thursday October 14, @02:48AM (#1186853)

      Well...the average IQ is 100. That means that 1/2 of the people are not playing with a full 3 digits (I thought that from George Carlin, but it seems his actual quote was "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.")

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:38AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:38AM (#1186890)

        People are really bad at judging "average" though. The negative connotations attached to the word do not lend themselves to objective reasoning about how smart other people really are.

      • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday October 14, @07:29AM (11 children)

        by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Thursday October 14, @07:29AM (#1186912)

        Well...the average IQ is 100. That means that 1/2 of the people are not playing with a full 3 digits (I thought that from George Carlin, but it seems his actual quote was "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.")

        Sorry to say this but Carlin had his math wrong. Its much worse than he said.

        think about it

        (75+80+90+95+100+160)/6 == 100

        So, more than just 50% are below average. My niece tested out at 162, so on her own she can offset a couple of complete idiots and some "average" fools.

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        • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Thursday October 14, @08:59AM

          by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @08:59AM (#1186926) Journal

          So, more than just 50% are below average. My niece tested out at 162, so on her own she can offset a couple of complete idiots and some "average" fools.

          More like the converse instead, they do outnumber her. Furthermore, the common theme in all the so-called reality shows is to demonstrate strategies for those that do outnumber the better candidates to gang up on them and tear them down. The general population watches that stuff and takes it to heart and applies it in real life. So mobbing ends up not being specific to her situation but applies to anyone more skilled, stronger, smarter or any combination of those characteristics relative to the general population.

          We'll see soon whether the accuser is prosecuted for a bomb hoax and the camera owner gets compensation from fines on both the TSA, the airline, and the hoaxer. My guess is that the above paragraph applies and they'll just treat the camera owner as him having done something wrong anyway.

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        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:49AM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:49AM (#1186933)

          Yes, and (125+120+110+105+100+40)/6 == 100 too, and here more than 50% are above average. Being able to produce examples like this doesn't prove anything.

          IQ is assumed to be on a normal distribution with mean 100 and standard deviation 15. IQ test outcomes are transformed to fit that normal distribution. It's symmetrical by definition and that does indeed mean that 50% of the people are on the lower half of the scale.

          • (Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Thursday October 14, @04:15PM (4 children)

            by Oakenshield (4900) on Thursday October 14, @04:15PM (#1187008)

            A trip to the grocery store (the great equalizer, since we all need to eat) seems to indicate that the larger bulk of the distribution is on the below 100 end.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @04:46PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @04:46PM (#1187016)

              High-IQ aren't necessarily disciplined, thoughtful, or more self-aware than others. They're just better at IQ tests.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:27PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:27PM (#1187067)

                "disciplined, thoughtful, or more self-aware "

                Nobody said anything about that. They are seriously retarded. That was the point.

            • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday October 14, @06:30PM (1 child)

              by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Thursday October 14, @06:30PM (#1187069) Homepage Journal

              Grocery store? To ANYWHERE! Watch how people drive, 9 out of 10 don't take their foot off the accelerator when the light ahead turns red, wasting their brake lining and gasoline without actually getting where they're going any faster. Over 90% of accidents are "driver error". People are so stupid that they fear self-driving cars, I fear the cars morons drive.

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              • (Score: 2) by Oakenshield on Monday October 18, @01:33PM

                by Oakenshield (4900) on Monday October 18, @01:33PM (#1187976)

                Truly, anywhere will do. I just figured that we all have to eat. I could have said WalMart but that seems self selective for the extremes.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:33PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:33PM (#1187033)

            Another way to view this is to say that when it is normally distributed the Median = Mean. Maybe that's a more intuitive way to convince people that 100 IQ is the 50th percentile.

          • (Score: 2) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday October 14, @07:52PM

            by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Thursday October 14, @07:52PM (#1187093)

            Thank you for the counter example supporting my point that there saying there is exactly 50% on each side of "average IQ" is incorrect.

            Though I suspect the world would be much less screwed up if your example was the actual case.

            (Fun trivia:: 70 and below is considered to be disabled legally, and at 40, the lowest possible score on the test, the person is usually incapable of managing even basic tasks like bathing without assistance)

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          • (Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Friday October 15, @07:24PM

            by ChrisMaple (6964) on Friday October 15, @07:24PM (#1187355)

            IQ is assumed to be on a normal distribution

            That's almost true. There are 2 problems.

            ... IQ distributions are known to have extended tails.

            ... IQ scores can exceed 200, but can't be less than zero.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 18, @05:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 18, @05:28PM (#1188099)

          Sorry to say this but Carlin had his math wrong. Its much worse than he said.

          think about it

          (75+80+90+95+100+160)/6 == 100

          So, more than just 50% are below average.

          Except that your understanding is incomplete and so you make this elementary mistake. The IQ has a distribution and it's meant to represent populations. This means there is more than 5 or 6 stores in it.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_quotient [wikipedia.org]

          For modern IQ tests, the raw score is transformed to a normal distribution with mean 100 and standard deviation 15

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @09:39PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @09:39PM (#1186802)

    I like to lick them until I can see my reflection. Oh yeah big time fun boys you know it. Gnome sayin?

    Gnome sayin?
    Gnome sayin?

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by deimtee on Wednesday October 13, @10:25PM (4 children)

    by deimtee (3272) on Wednesday October 13, @10:25PM (#1186814) Journal

    I checked a bunch of news stories on this, but they all say pretty much the same thing. None of them identify the camera, does anyone know what it was?

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by MostCynical on Wednesday October 13, @10:32PM

      by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday October 13, @10:32PM (#1186816) Journal

      this story has a video of the guy being made to lie on the runway

      Looks like a normal old film SLR next to his bag ..

      https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/126650610/us-plane-evacuation-was-because-someone-mistook-a-camera-for-a-bomb [stuff.co.nz]

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 13, @10:37PM (#1186817)

      No idea but I'd hazard guess at a fold-out. [lomography.com]

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday October 13, @11:11PM (1 child)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 13, @11:11PM (#1186825) Homepage Journal

      Doesn't much matter, does it? Anything with a detachable lens, and an f-stop setting, a rewind and/or a flash would do the trick. /sarcasm Obviously, we need to outlaw antique cameras to prevent any potential disasters. There oughta be a law!! /sarcasm

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:56AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:56AM (#1186904)

        Yes, the Perp was made to lie on the Runaway, but Runaway was lying already, so how is this not redundant? More than obvious that this was a camera from the German village of Winden, and we are all caught in a temporal loop. Most of us for real, and Runaway due to early onset.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by darkfeline on Thursday October 14, @12:31AM (4 children)

    by darkfeline (1030) on Thursday October 14, @12:31AM (#1186832) Homepage

    "Collapsing any Nation does not require use of Atomic bombs or the use
    of Long range missiles. But it requires lowering the quality of
    Education and allowing cheating in the exams by the students.

    The patient dies in the hands of the doctor who passed his exams
    through cheating.

    And the buildings collapse in the hands of an engineer who passed his
    exams through cheating.

    And the money is lost in the hands of an accountant who passed his
    exams through cheating.

    And humanity dies in the hands of a religious scholar who passed his
    exams through cheating.

    And justice is lost in the hands of a judge who passed his exams
    through cheating.

    And ignorance is rampant in the minds of children who are under the
    care of a teacher who passed exams through cheating.

    The collapse of education is the collapse of the Nation."

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by captain normal on Thursday October 14, @02:29AM

      by captain normal (2205) on Thursday October 14, @02:29AM (#1186848)

      Geez...I almost forgot...,what was the topic now?? Oh yeah...someone playing with a 2 decades old camera is busted because a dim millennial thought his film camera was a bomb. Or was it ignorance is the end of civilization?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @01:55PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @01:55PM (#1186964)

      There doesn't need to be any cheating involved. Just keep finding excuses to lower standards. Think about why so many high school grads need remedial courses in basic math and literacy when they hit college, and how professors are rated.

      The Long March Through the Institutions has been going for generations, and this is the result.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:10AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:10AM (#1187417)

        There doesn't need to be any cheating involved.

        Are you trying to exemplify teaching the controversy? You are doing wrong, it doesn't dumb down your audience.

    • (Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Friday October 15, @07:29PM

      by ChrisMaple (6964) on Friday October 15, @07:29PM (#1187358)

      Humanity is more likely to die from a religious scholar who passed his exams by not cheating.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @12:35AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @12:35AM (#1186834)
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by dltaylor on Thursday October 14, @02:59AM (17 children)

    by dltaylor (4693) on Thursday October 14, @02:59AM (#1186856)

    The idiot who made the claim should be in Federal custody for at least 6 months for "swatting" the camera owner.

    • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Thursday October 14, @05:07AM (6 children)

      by bradley13 (3053) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @05:07AM (#1186881) Homepage Journal

      Stupidity as a punishable crime? While I agree, I think the punishment should be more fitting: the person must take a course or thee in civics.

      Does anyone know what (if any) compensation the guy gets. I mean, they totally ruined his day and may have cost him some real money. All because the professionals made an hours-long drama out of nothing.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 14, @05:24AM (5 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @05:24AM (#1186885) Homepage Journal

        A false statement is a false statement. You could argue that all false statements are made out of stupidity, but false remains false. Charge the accuser with criminal stupidity and be done with it.

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        • (Score: -1, Troll) by aristarchus on Thursday October 14, @07:00AM (2 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday October 14, @07:00AM (#1186905) Journal

          A false statement is a false statement.

          Whoa! A Runaway confession? Can't wait for what follows!

          You could argue that all false statements are made out of stupidity, but false remains false.

          Yes, we do. Runaway statements are make out of stupidity, and ignorance, but remain false. The only question remaining, is it intentional? Or is he really that stupid? I tend toward the latter, from long experience.

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          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 14, @07:53AM (1 child)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @07:53AM (#1186914) Homepage Journal

            You're on a roll tonight aristarchus. Or, should I address you as Nazi Grammama? Or runaway1959? Please, make up your mind(s). Your split personalities are tiresome. I understand that you can get professional help to sort them all out.

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            • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:45PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @10:45PM (#1187141)

              I recall you saying the 2020 election was stolen, what was that about criminal stupidity? Your sock puppets can not save you now!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:14AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 16, @01:14AM (#1187419)

          Charge the accuser with criminal stupidity and be done with it.

          What were you saying about those dangerous vaxxes?

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by canopic jug on Thursday October 14, @05:10AM (9 children)

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @05:10AM (#1186882) Journal

      The idiot who made the claim should be in Federal custody for at least 6 months for "swatting" the camera owner.

      Yes, this was my first thought too. The idiot who caused the plane to be diverted because they called in a hoax needs some hefty fines plus some time in custody. They did seriously inconvenience and endanger the life of the camera owner as well as, to a lesser extent, all the other passengers.

      I use the word idiot but the person was probably of close to average IQ and I'll go with darkfeline's assessment of the state of education [soylentnews.org] instead. Though rather than cheating the problem is created by depriving the schools of funding combined with a continuous indoctrination of fear. Outside of school there is heavy indoctrination, such as the "see something, say something" campaign. Much more fear indoctrination is through the non-stop fear messages found everywhere, especially through commercial media. Since emotions are what drive sales and fear is one of the more profitable motivating emotions and thus driving most advertisements. Inside of school, there are "active shooter" drills, metal detectors, and other bullshit driving fear. Eventually people get stuck in a perpetual state. On top of that, less and less gets taught due to budget cuts, for more than two generations now the US has been continuously sawing away at the curriculum. Notice the prevalence of the attitude that the schools' budgets must be cut further until they show improvement. "The beatings will continue until morale improves."

      There can't be improvement in education without investment in education, and the US has been going in the opposite direction by depriving the schools more and more since around 1980. That's over two generations. On top of that is that the indoctrination is such that most of the denizens no longer operate in a fact based world. That's a problem across all social classes, from Wall Street's LARPers, to red-staters/the resistance, to Facebook useds, and more. It can be that the baseline of common knowledge prerequisite is now insufficient for the general population continue operating and maintaining a republic, but that not only is that a separate topic, the US has not been a republic now for at least 10 years.

      Whatever. No matter why the idiot called in the hoax, they need to be prosecuted for calling in a hoax and the camera owner compensated by them for the trouble.

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      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Thursday October 14, @05:28AM (4 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday October 14, @05:28AM (#1186887) Homepage Journal

        There can't be improvement in education without investment in education,

        Agreed, in principal. But the schools waste so much money, giving them more money obviously won't solve the problem.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:42AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @05:42AM (#1186891)

          Corruption needs to be dealt with, not just dismissed as waste. That's why the schools suck in the first place!

        • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @07:06AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @07:06AM (#1186906)

          Agreed, in principal.

          That is, in "principle", you illiterate moron! Repeat after me: ruling idea = principle. First person, or main thing =principal. Do you think you can handle the difference the next time you are called upon to do so by some pendantic gramma Nazi? I am just waiting for you to "beg the question". Do you feel "lucky", punk? Go ahead, make my day!

          Maybe if we gave Runaway more money, he could learn to spell? Rhetorical question, no need to reply.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @12:03PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @12:03PM (#1186945)

            Since we’re talking about schools and their mismanagement, “principal” might be right after all.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Nuke on Thursday October 14, @12:41PM

          by Nuke (3162) on Thursday October 14, @12:41PM (#1186950)

          Agreed, in principal. But the schools waste so much money ...

          Says someone who makes spelling mistakes,

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:31PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:31PM (#1187070)

        even though the reporter likely deserves contempt, it should be the dumb asses who took the initial report and then made a big fucking deal out of it that get punished. dumb skank flight attendants, and pigs. The higher up the chain the higher the penalty, as they should know more/be better trained. unless the reporter said "he has a bomb", as that would be different

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:35PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 14, @06:35PM (#1187072)

          nevermind. the dumb whore saw the "perp" looking up cameras on the internet and thought they were bomb making instructions. dumb nosey bitch should have told her cuck husband so he could have shut her retarded ass down, if he wasn't such a bitch...

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @07:44AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 15, @07:44AM (#1187228)

            Makes me glad incels are such pricks you can tell what they are before they finish ten words.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by ChrisMaple on Friday October 15, @07:41PM

        by ChrisMaple (6964) on Friday October 15, @07:41PM (#1187363)

        There are many ways to improve education without increasing funding.

        Don't teach creationism. Don't force prayer; don't teach that God is a real thing. Don't teach critical race theory. Don't use ridiculously biassed history books. Don't teach math using the latest fad. Don't teach youngsters that they can choose their own sex at whim. Don't waste time teaching the latest politically correct BS, learning what's important is already difficult enough.

        Don't hire teachers who use their positions to push any political agenda.

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