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posted by martyb on Tuesday October 19 2021, @01:19AM   Printer-friendly

Apple has announced two new Arm SoCs for its upcoming MacBook Pro laptops. Both share the same CPU, but differ in GPU and RAM size.

The Apple M1 SoC for Macs has 8 CPU cores: 4 performance cores and 4 efficiency cores. The newly announced M1 Pro and M1 Max have 10 cores: 8 performance cores and 2 efficiency cores. CPU performance (multi-threaded) is about 70% faster, at around a 30 Watt TDP (M1 Pro) instead of 15 Watts for the M1. The 16-core "neural engine" with 11 TOPS of machine learning performance is unchanged from the M1.

While the M1 has an (up to) 8-core GPU with 2.6 TFLOPS FP32 of performance, the M1 Pro doubles that to 16 cores and 5.2 TFLOPS, and the M1 Max doubles it again to 32 cores and 10.4 TFLOPS. The M1 Pro is comparable to an Nvidia RTX 3050 Ti discrete laptop GPU, while the M1 Max is comparable to an RTX 3080 laptop GPU. These levels of performance are achieved at around 30 Watts for the M1 Pro and 60 Watts for the M1 Max, compared to around 100-160 Watts for laptops with discrete graphics.

The M1 Pro has around 33.7 billion transistors fabbed on TSMC "5nm" in a 245 mm2 die space, while the M1 Max has 57 billion transistors at 432 mm2. The M1 Pro will include up to 32 GB of LPDDR5 RAM, and the M1 Max will include up to 64 GB.

Also at Wccftech.

See also: Apple Announces The M1 Pro / M1 Max, Asahi Linux Starts Eyeing Their Bring-Up

Previously: Apple Has Built its Own Mac Graphics Processors
Apple Claims that its M1 SoC for ARM-Based Macs Uses the World's Fastest CPU Core
Your New Apple Computer Isn't Yours
Why is Apple's M1 Chip So Fast?
ARM-Based Mac Pro Could Have 32+ Cores
Booting Linux and Sideloading Apps on M1 Macs


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Apple has built its own Mac graphics processors:

Like iPhones and iPads, Apple Silicon Macs will use an Apple-designed GPU – something that makes complete sense when you consider this is how current iOS devices work. But it could be a reason for pause by some high-end users during the transition period from Intel-based hardware.

[...] You see, while Intel Macs contain GPU’s from Intel, Nvidia and AMD, Apple Silicon Macs will use what the company seems fond of calling “Apple family” GPUs. These use a rendering system called Tile Based Deferred Rendering (TBDR), which iOS devices already use.

It works differently from the Immediate Mode rendering system supported in Intel Macs: While the latter immediately render imaging data to device memory, the former makes more use of the GPU by sorting out each element first before submitting it to device memory.

You can find out more here.

The effect is that TBDR rendering delivers lower latency, higher performance, lower power requirements and can achieve higher degrees of bandwidth. The A11 chip and Metal 2 really consolidated this technique.

It’s important to note that the GPU in a Mac with Apple silicon is a member of both GPU families, and supports both Mac family and Apple family feature sets. In other words, using Apple Silicon and Rosetta, you should still be able to use software designed for Intel-based Macs.

[...] How will Apple exploit this? Will it ditch fans in order to make thinner Macs? Will it exploit the opportunity to explore a new design language for its PCs? At what point will an iPhone become all the Mac you ever need, given your choice of user interface and access to a larger screen?


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Apple Announces The Apple Silicon M1: Ditching x86 - What to Expect, Based on A14

The new processor is called the Apple M1, the company's first SoC designed with Macs in mind. With four large performance cores, four efficiency cores, and an 8-GPU core GPU, it features 16 billion transistors on a 5nm process node. Apple's is starting a new SoC naming scheme for this new family of processors, but at least on paper it looks a lot like an A14X.

[...] Apple made mention that the M1 is a true SoC, including the functionality of what previously was several discrete chips inside of Mac laptops, such as I/O controllers and Apple's SSD and security controllers.

[....] Whilst in the past 5 years Intel has managed to increase their best single-thread performance by about 28%, Apple has managed to improve their designs by 198%, or 2.98x (let's call it 3x) the performance of the Apple A9 of late 2015.

[...] Apple has claimed that they will completely transition their whole consumer line-up to Apple Silicon within two years, which is an indicator that we'll be seeing a high-TDP many-core design to power a future Mac Pro. If the company is able to continue on their current performance trajectory, it will look extremely impressive.

Your New Apple Computer Isn't Yours 133 comments

Your Computer Isn't Yours:

On modern versions of macOS, you simply can't power on your computer, launch a text editor or eBook reader, and write or read, without a log of your activity being transmitted and stored.

It turns out that in the current version of the macOS, the OS sends to Apple a hash (unique identifier) of each and every program you run, when you run it. Lots of people didn't realize this, because it's silent and invisible and it fails instantly and gracefully when you're offline, but today the server got really slow and it didn't hit the fail-fast code path, and everyone's apps failed to open if they were connected to the internet.

Because it does this using the internet, the server sees your IP, of course, and knows what time the request came in. An IP address allows for coarse, city-level and ISP-level geolocation, and allows for a table that has the following headings: Date, Time, Computer, ISP, City, State, Application Hash

Apple (or anyone else) can, of course, calculate these hashes for common programs: everything in the App Store, the Creative Cloud, Tor Browser, cracking or reverse engineering tools, whatever.

This means that Apple knows when you're at home. When you're at work. What apps you open there, and how often. They know when you open Premiere over at a friend's house on their Wi-Fi, and they know when you open Tor Browser in a hotel on a trip to another city.

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A medium article

On Youtube I watched a Mac user who had bought an iMac last year. It was maxed out with 40 GB of RAM costing him about $4000. He watched in disbelief how his hyper expensive iMac was being demolished by his new M1 Mac Mini, which he had paid a measly $700 for.

In real world test after test, the M1 Macs are not merely inching past top of the line Intel Macs, they are destroying them. In disbelief people have started asking how on earth this is possible?

If you are one of those people, you have come to the right place. Here I plan to break it down into digestible pieces exactly what it is that Apple has done with the M1.

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Citing sources close to Apple, a new report in Bloomberg outlines Apple's roadmap for moving the entire Mac lineup to the company's own custom-designed silicon, including both planned release windows for specific products and estimations as to how many performance CPU cores those products will have.

[...] New chips for the high-end MacBook Pro and iMac computers could have as many as 16 performance cores (the M1 has four). And the planned Mac Pro replacement could have as many as 32. The report is careful to clarify that Apple could, for one reason or another, choose to only release Macs with 8 or 12 cores at first but that the company is working on chip variants with the higher core count, in any case.

The report reveals two other tidbits. First, a direct relative to the M1 will power new iPad Pro models due to be introduced next year, and second, the faster M1 successors for the MacBook Pro and desktop computers will also feature more GPU cores for graphics processing—specifically, 16 or 32 cores. Further, Apple is working on "pricier graphics upgrades with 64 and 128 dedicated cores aimed at its highest-end machines" for 2022 or late 2021.

New Mac models could have additional efficiency cores alongside 8/12/16/32 performance cores. Bloomberg claimed the existence of a 12-core (8 performance "Firestorm" cores, 4 efficiency "Icestorm" cores) back in April which has not materialized yet.

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Previously: Apple Announces 2-Year Transition to ARM SoCs in Mac Desktops and Laptops
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The open-source/Linux Apple M1 work continues to be quite busy this week... The latest is Alyssa Rosenzweig who has been working on reverse-engineering the M1 graphics processor has been able to write some early and primitive code for rendering a triangle.

Alyssa Rosenzweig of Panfrost fame has been working to reverse engineer the Apple M1 graphics as part of the Asahi Linux effort with developer Marcan.

This week the milestone was reached of drawing a triangle using the open-source code. It's an important first milestone but important to keep in mind that this isn't an initial driver triangle but rather hand-written vertex and fragment shaders with machine code for the M1 GPU. Those hand-written shaders are submitted to the hardware via the existing macOS IOKit kernel driver. If not clear enough, this was done on macOS and not the early Linux state as well.

Previously: Your New Apple Computer Isn't Yours
Linus Torvalds Doubts Linux will Get Ported to Apple M1 Hardware
ARM-Based Mac Pro Could Have 32+ Cores

Apple Pulls the Plug on User-Found Method to Sideload iOS Apps on M1 Mac

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @01:48AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @01:48AM (#1188257)

    TSMC fabbed chips?

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:13AM (4 children)

      by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:13AM (#1188266) Journal

      Yes.

      The M1 Max is truly immense – Apple disclosed the M1 Pro transistor count to be at 33.7 billion, while the M1 Max bloats that up to 57 billion transistors. AMD advertises 26.8bn transistors for the Navi 21 GPU design at 520mm² on TSMC's 7nm process; Apple here has over double the transistors at a lower die size thanks to their use of TSMC's leading-edge 5nm process. Even compared to NVIDIA's biggest 7nm chip, the 54 billion transistor server-focused GA100, the M1 Max still has the greater transistor count.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by EEMac on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:27AM (3 children)

        by EEMac (6423) on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:27AM (#1188275)

        I predict Apple will run into a limit here fairly quickly. Putting *everything* on one chip gives them amazing performance right now. But manufacturers split functions up between chips and use smaller transistor counts for many, many solid reasons.

        2026, come back to fact-check me! If I'm wrong, good for Apple.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by takyon on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:35AM

          by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:35AM (#1188278) Journal

          I think Intel's upcoming combination of chiplet (or "tile") technologies are designed to split everything up and join them together with minimal efficiency losses or latency issues.

          https://www.tomshardware.com/news/intel-teases-14th-gen-meteor-lake-cpus-tile-design-192-eus [tomshardware.com]

          For right now, Apple has created what looks like the ultimate APU or SoC. At least for laptops. Hopefully this kicks everyone in the ass and spurs improvements. I think a lot of people would like a "super APU" with High Bandwidth Memory.

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        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:37AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @02:37AM (#1188280)

          They've been doing it for a long time. Even back in the 80s, they had used custom chips instead of stringing up bunch of off-the-shelf chips to reduce the chip counts and to lower manufacturing costs (and probably other reasons, too).

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27 2021, @08:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 27 2021, @08:22PM (#1191095)

          I really do not get the hoopla about this new chip.

          It is pretty much the same setup as AMD makes for Sony and Microsoft games consoles.

          Only people that should be going gaga are the Apple fanatics that have been living under a fruit shaped rock for decades, and do not have the first clue about the wider technology world.

          But because those invariably include big name journalists etc, Apple changes are big changes even if the rest of the world have been doing it for some time already.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @03:20AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @03:20AM (#1188290)

    me thinks the real astonishment needs to fall to TSMC being able to "print ~57'000'000'000” or so transistors flawlessly @ 5nano meters (thats alot of zeros AFTER the ".")
    let's hope this engineering wizardry will solve world hunger, global warming, cure cancer and covid-19 thru 25 and also bring down the prices of gtx3080 to a affordable level :)

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bussdriver on Tuesday October 19 2021, @03:15PM (1 child)

      by bussdriver (6876) on Tuesday October 19 2021, @03:15PM (#1188428)

      Political problems can't be solved by tech... that is until Terminators are built.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @06:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 19 2021, @06:47PM (#1188497)

        Terminators - Finally a technical solution to a political problem.

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