from the wear-a-mask-to-protect-from-both dept.
Do You Have a Cold, the Flu or Covid-19? Experts Explain How to Tell the Difference
Do you have a cold, the flu or Covid-19? Experts explain how to tell the difference:
Do you have a cold, the flu or Covid-19? Experts explain how to tell the difference
[...] Case rates of Covid-19 have been on the rise as the Omicron variant has spread, but hospitalization numbers appear to be staying relatively low. For vaccinated people, evidence suggests that infection with this variant seems less likely to be severe, epidemiologist and former Detroit Health Department executive director, Dr. Abdul El-Sayed said.
[...] "The important thing to remember is a vaccine is like giving a 'be on the lookout' call to your immune system. So its capacity to identify, target and destroy viruses is so much higher every time we take another boost of the vaccine," El-Sayed said. "It makes sense that the symptoms you would experience are milder if you have been vaccinated."
Coronavirus + Flu = 'Flurona': Should You be Worried About It?
Coronavirus + Flu = 'Flurona': Should You Be Worried About It?:
It's been dubbed flurona: when a person is infected with the influenza virus and the Covid-19 coronavirus, either simultaneously or back-to-back. Cases are being reported around the globe, and experts say they are likely to grow as the more contagious omicron variant becomes more prevalent. The phenomenon, however, isn't exactly new. Reports of such "co-infections" go back to early 2020.
1. Why is this getting attention now?[...]
2. Should I be worried? [...]
3. What's the effect of getting two infections at once? [...]
In a meta-analysis of various studies last May, researchers from the University of Wisconsin found that 19% of people who tested positive for Covid simultaneously tested positive for another pathogen (a so-called "co-infection") -- be it viral, bacterial or fungal. They found that 24% of patients diagnosed with Covid afterward tested positive for a different pathogen (a so-called "superinfection"). For both categories, the situation was associated with "poor outcomes, including increased mortality," the authors found. The research underscores the need to test for ailments beyond just Covid so that people can be properly treated, the authors said.
4. Is the flu back in full force? [...]
5. Where is flurona being reported? [...]
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by crafoo on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:20PM (26 children)
gonna start talking about vaccine induced immune deficiency syndrome yet, or are we waiting until next year, when the data is harder to ignore?
(Score: 5, Informative) by EvilSS on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:33PM (2 children)
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:12PM (1 child)
I don't know if AC uses the correct terms, but people often got sick after getting the flu shot. Vaccine induced immune deficiency doesn't sound far fetched at all. Get a flu shot, you get flu like symptoms, then within days, you get a cold that just hangs on and on halfway through flu season. The flu virus made you sick, and your immune system wasn't able to battle the injected flu and the cold viruses at the same time.
If you have a better term for that, please tell us what it is.
(Score: 5, Informative) by EvilSS on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:24PM
Bullshit would be a better name for what you posted. As for "vaccine induced immune deficiency", it's another hairbrained scare from the anti-vax crowd. It's claimed to be “similar to AIDS but caused by the C19 jabs.” It's a hoax.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:17PM (17 children)
Idiots like you need to be blocked from being allowed to comment. It's exhausting to constantly have to refute absolute bullshit claims like this.
You are a liar. You, and people like you, are directly responsible for countless deaths because of your malicious stupidity and forfeit the right to public discourse.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:41PM (4 children)
But but but MuH fReE sPeEcHes!
That is the downfall of not having rules and standards, but the flipside is authoritarianism. For better or worse SN has chosen a more free speech route but in years there doesn't seem to be much value to it while the negative aspect of allowing trolls to spread lies is seen daily. However even places with more strict rules see this type of misinformation because bad meducal opinions are not something you can easily use rules to filter.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @09:56PM (3 children)
Perhaps, but everything must have limits, even speech. It's illegal to yell "FIRE!" in a theatre, for example. When the speech is not only unquestionably incorrect but is directly causing people to be injured and killed, I think that is reasonable grounds for censure.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @11:22PM (1 child)
Trouble with logic? If someone is injured because of someone's utterance, the injury happened after the fact. So you propose that you can see into the future and stop the harm before it happens? What, pray tell, will be your criterion? Who, more importantly, will decide what is okay to say and what isn't? Where do you draw the lines? When and where will the censorship stop?
You should study history, specifically the history of free speech. People stunningly smarter than you and your ilk thought this through, over hundreds of years. Undistracted by modern communication and frenzy, they wisely and correctly concluded that freedom of speech was the best way. The only caveat: listeners must be aware that some people babble; much like caveat emptor. Don't believe everything you hear, and problem solved.
Leave people alone. Find something more constructive to do with your life and time.
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Friday January 07 2022, @02:55PM
How about you look in a mirror and do the same?
Typical conservative, better at projection than actually thinking things through. I literally just gave you a direct example of an existing law that codifies what I said.
Just cause logic is hard for you doesn't mean it's hard for everyone else. Then again, I shouldn't expect less from someone to cowardly to post with a real account.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @03:12PM
> It's illegal to yell "FIRE!" in a theatre
In the USA, that is not true. The common misconception derives from misquote from a dictum (a non-binding ancillary opinion) from Holmes in the 1919 case U.S. v. Schenck. "The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic." Schenck was one of the worst SCOTUS decisions (allowing a man to be imprisoned under Espionage and Sedition Acts for publishing a pamphlet opposing the draft for WWI) and was effectively overturned in 1969 with the Court ruling that speech is protected unless the speech "is _directed_ to inciting or producing imminent lawless action *and* is _likely_ to incite or produce such action" [ephasis added].
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:23PM (11 children)
and anti-free speech idiots like you are responsible for many deaths and tyranny. You, and people like you (xi Jinping, Putin, and all other tyrants) are directly responsible for countless deaths, tyranny, abuse, etc... You should be silenced in accordance with your own beliefs that free speech is bad.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:36PM (10 children)
You sound like a spoiled little seven-year-old kid who has just learned the words "tyranny" and "abuse" and who has just been sent, whining and screaming, to his bedroom by his parents for taking a shit in the middle of the living room. "Tyranny!" he yells at the top of his lungs.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:43PM (4 children)
You're missing the point. The point is not that my argument is a good one, it's that his argument is a bad one and by his own logic we can also find ways to say that he is responsible for 'countless deaths' and anyone that says anything that someone doesn't agree with is the worst person in the world and responsible for this and that.
It's all speculative at best and we shouldn't blame someone that says something you disagree with for all the evils that happen to everyone.
While I'm not anti-vax (I got my vaccines), and I think people should get the vaccine (though I do have some concerns), I don't think it's productive to demonize people that disagree with you, demand that they be silenced, etc...
But you don't have a real argument to make. You just want to find a way to demonize people, blame people that you disagree with for everything, and turn everyone against each other so that are too busy blaming each other for everything instead of blaming the government for its failures (and high taxes).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @08:45PM
So we are too busy ... *
(Score: 5, Insightful) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:08PM (2 children)
Wow, did you come up with all that yourself or did you copy/paste it from somewhere on Parler?
YOUR argument has no basis for anything. Mine is completely reasonable because there is irrefutable evidence that antivaxxers ARE causing deaths, even if conspiracy-theory obsessed idiots like you refuse to accept that. Again, I am using the word IRREFUTABLE because the facts are VERY clear. The only person that is being speculative about anything is YOU.
Entire medical systems are collapsing because the assholes that refuse to get vaccinated are getting sick and filling up beds. People with cancer cannot get treatment. People are being convinced to go with idiotic treatments like invermectin, hydroxychloroquine, etc. I could very easily go on and on, but I doubt you care. You just care about MaH FrEeDuMs and fuck everyone else around you.
So spare everyone your toddler tantrums. It's called accepting the consequences of YOUR actions, and you deserve every. single. one. of. them.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @11:49PM (1 child)
Their own!
No, that's because medical staff are isolating.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:37AM
Another troll mod? Replying to your own comments or questioning moderation is poor form. But for the benefit of bad-faith and fact-averse imbeciles:
FACT CHECK: TRUE [springer.com]
FACT CHECK: TRUE [thehill.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @09:20PM (4 children)
The point is that those who refuse to get the vaccine are responsible for the consequences of their own decisions. No one else. Just like those who smoke and drink are and not the tobacco or alcohol companies.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:57PM (3 children)
They are also responsible for the ASSULTS, of spreading the COVID to others.
ANTIVAX are also ANTIMASK and believe they have the divend right to kill others with their stupidity.
So they should:
1) Sign a DNR - to stop making us poay for the their stupidity when they do get sick.
2) State the fuck home, to protect the rest from their stupidity.
3) Stay state at home, to help MAYBE keep them safe and live long pass the "end-of-Covid", so they say then that "they were right !"
Stupid is as stupid does.
You cannot fix stupid... but COVID will nature and evolution by weeding these idoits out of the gene pool. Lets just minimize the their cost to socity on a whole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @04:56AM (2 children)
Would you make a smoker or someone that drinks or eats unhealthy also sign a DNR?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @08:11AM (1 child)
No anti-vaxxer is denied healthcare, stop caressing those straw men its creepy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:28AM
The AC I responded to said they should sign a DNR ...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:35PM (4 children)
One of the issues I have is that the FDA didn't voluntarily release the Pfizer papers that they used to determine emergency use authorization. It was a FOIA request that required them to release it. On top of that they said, OK, we'll release it, but it'll take like 50+ year or whatever. It's very suspicious, as if to give them enough time to doctor it all. Then they black out a bunch of data (not personal information, but general data and numbers). But I hear doctors have access to it but why not the general public? We have just as much a right to it as the FDA and they have no right to prevent us from accessing that information uncensored in a timely manner.
If they have nothing to hide then why all the secrecy. The data is easy to ignore because ... they don't want to release it or they black out various parts of it or they take their time to release it as if to give them enough time to doctor it.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:37PM (3 children)
Also, they need 50+ years to review the information for public release but they were able to review it for emergency use authorization in a very short period of time. Shouldn't it be the opposite?
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:40PM (2 children)
(and the reason why it should be the exact opposite is that, if anything, the public should be able to review the data BEFORE the vaccine gets authorized for use so that we can submit our concerns about it. but, instead, they quickly approve it and they slowly release the data which is exactly backwards. Everything the FDA is doing is not acceptable and we should demand more transparency).
(Score: 1, Insightful) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:15PM (1 child)
No, they shouldn't, and we have more than enough evidence why not. The average person is NOT qualified to correctly interpret the data. All that happens is the armchair analysts whose sum total knowledge of statistics is seeing the word in a newspaper, start spewing nonsense about how the data is "wrong" and "something something BiG pHaRmA".
Look at how the little data that did get put out got twisted by antivaxxers. "It was rushed!" "It's untested!" "It's poison!". It doesn't matter how much raw data is put out there. These people will cherry pick whatever they want and take it into whatever context they want, to satisfy their ignorant, preconceived notions.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @05:36AM
Because only a select few should be allowed to access and interpret the information and to determine what's in my best interest for me. The population must be kept uneducated, education is only for the elite, for those that agree with you.
You sound elitist. Guess what. You're not special. You sound arrogant and conceited and that's not going to result in people trusting you. You are appealing to authority and the number of logical fallacies in your thinking is mind boggling.
If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear. Why is the FDA hiding all this information? What are they hiding?
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @02:22PM (5 children)
Dr. Abdul El-Sayed said "It makes sense..."
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:42PM (4 children)
Prof. Ariel Munitz of Tel Aviv University’s department of microbiology and clinical immunology explained that by repeatedly exposing our immune system to the same variant of COVID-19 we are lessening the likelihood of being able to fight off future variants and strains. We are training our bodies to recognize and fight against just one strain, and if future strains differ from it too much, they will successfully overcome our natural defenses.
https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/not-so-fast-top-immunologist-says-israel-shouldnt-rush-fourth-corona-shot/ [israeltoday.co.il]
https://twitter.com/ArielMunitz/status/1473567313706504192?s=20 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2, Troll) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:13PM (3 children)
I'm going to wait on corroborating evidence because that sounds like some guy trying to get his 5 minutes of limelight.
The immune system can only respond to things it already understands. That's how vaccines work. They prime your system so there's no delay between infection, recognition, and response. If a virus differs too much from what it's been exposed to previously, then of course the vaccine will be less effective, because the body will have a tougher time with identification.
But the idea that the immune system will be less effective at fighting similar viruses when it has to start from scratch? I'm gonna need to see some peer reviewed studies on that.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @01:00AM (2 children)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_antigenic_sin [wikipedia.org]
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28479213/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by ilsa on Friday January 07 2022, @03:03PM (1 child)
Ok but again, this is different from what that guy is saying.
It is well established that the immune system relies on memory of past infection, rather than something more systemic and general.
If a virus is too dissimilar, the immune response will be worse relative to the original infection because it's starting from scratch. This is expected.
What will not happen, is that the immune system will be in a worse position to fight the new infection than if the previous one had never occurred.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @05:49PM
No, it's exactly what the scientist was referring to.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2772613421000068 [sciencedirect.com]
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14760584.2017.1334554 [tandfonline.com]
And finally a paper on antigenic distance.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28180277/ [nih.gov]
Well known risk. [wikipedia.org] Perhaps you should take a long look in the mirror before you go ranting about people spreading "misinformation".
(Score: -1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:08PM (31 children)
Do your own research and take responsibility for your own health. In the last decade I was recommend two surgeries I didn't need and two medications that I no longer take. None of it was actually necessary. People who have chronic infections or disease are in poor health already. Taking a potentially harmful vaccine is not the best solution. Maybe it's the only one they are willing to make any effort for, but taking control of your own health will be much better than being life long customers of the pharmaceutical companies.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:24PM (14 children)
Another voice taking about "Taking a potentially harmful vaccine is not the best solution."
Please remeber Trump wanted know if you could inject bleach. Or take horse de-wormer.
Listen to those that do not know what they are taking about, They are always right (for not knowing what they are taking about).
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:28PM (7 children)
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Friday January 07 2022, @04:07PM (6 children)
Nobody said Ivermectin isn't a very useful drug. Covid isn't a parasite.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @01:50AM (5 children)
Are you ignoring the data from India? They don't give a shit about your domestic squabbles and they are getting very significant results with prophylactic Ivermectin treatment.
Just because the devil Trump says "The sky is blue" doesn't mean running around screaming "The sky is green!" is the best way to demonstrate your piety.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @10:23PM (4 children)
The data on Ivermectin, including the totality of data from India doesn't support the use of Ivermectin. The results out of India don't support the use of Ivermectin and the Dte.GHS doesn't approve of its use for COVID. If anyone thought that the data supported the use of Ivermectin in India, it would be them.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 09 2022, @01:27AM (3 children)
73% reduction in infection. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33592050/ [nih.gov]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 09 2022, @06:05AM (2 children)
You can find one crappy study (and that is a crappy study) that says anything. But go ahead and ask AIIMS why they are ignoring their own researchers' results if they are apparently so great.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 09 2022, @11:35PM (1 child)
You sound like a lawyer arguing in court. "He wasn't there. He didn't do it. Nobody saw him do it. You can't prove he did it"
The anti-ivermectinists simultaneously put forward the arguments that "Ivermectin doesn't work like that. Ivermectin is not anti-viral. You can't prove it works. Even if it works it's because it's reducing parasite co-morbidities".
Even if it works because of parasite reduction, it still works in those areas. Finding out where and why it works would be more sensible than ranting against it just because the Great Yellow Satan might have been in favor of it. Your TDS is showing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 10 2022, @03:50AM
Sorry, but there isn't proof it works at all except for picking and choosing studies. You are claiming that it is a COVID prophylactic/cure and have the burden of proof, and any one of the hypotheses offered still results in the rejection of your alternate hypothesis because all of them result in Ivermectin not being a prophylactic/cure. Even the medical directorate and AIIMS in India don't recommend its use for COVID. Trump has nothing to do with what evidence is there and what isn't. If anyone has TDS here, its probably the person who brought him up after running out of arguments for their position.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:32PM (3 children)
I would not inject bleach. But the horse de-wormer is a medication also given to humans. It is uncertain if it helps against covid. So pointing to studies showing it is not effective is one thing, but calling it horse de-wormer, although technically correct, is just propaganda.
Oh and people really should not dismiss vaccines because there are risks. Everything is risky. For now the current belief amongst specialists is that the benefits outweigh the risks.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by mhajicek on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:06PM (2 children)
It's not propaganda when people have actually been buying animal grade medication for personal use with uncontrolled dosage.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:49PM (1 child)
The problem is that the stuff for humans has increased in price DRAMATICALLY plus you need to go through the time and expense of getting a prescription. So people get desperate and do desperate things.
Trump passed an executive order allowing us to buy drugs from other countries such as Canada. Biden, for no apparent good reason, undid this. His administration talked about reducing drug prices but has done no such thing.
Make the stuff for humans more affordable and accessible with proper instructions (instead of just assuming people are too dumb to follow directions) and maybe people will stop trying to resort to desperate measures. Not doing so makes the whole system look corrupt (which it is) and people don't trust a corrupt system and so they stop believing anything that comes from it.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by mhajicek on Friday January 07 2022, @06:10AM
Here's your proper instructions: don't take medication that your doctor didn't prescribe based on what you read on social media.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:15PM (1 child)
No, Trump didn't want to inject bleach - do your fact checking. And, you got +4 insightful for that idiocy? The zombies are taking over.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:38PM
Oh noes teh minor exaggermatation! Whatevers shalt you dooo!? I know, invade the capitol again to overthrow democracy! It us the anniversary after all!
For all the lies and shit conservatives sling they sure do have some sensitive skin. Those UV light bulbs would probably melt you down.
(Score: 5, Touché) by EvilSS on Thursday January 06 2022, @03:36PM (4 children)
Ah yes the "Future Herman Cain Award Winner Starter Pack". Let us know when it's time for the "prayer warriors" to come to your rescue.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:51PM (3 children)
Do you happen to know where medical malpractice ranks in the annual cause of death breakdown?
I ask because it sounds like you would be surprised.
(Score: 5, Touché) by EvilSS on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:30PM (2 children)
I'd bet it's orders of magnitude higher than legitimate deaths caused by vaccines. Which seems like a good argument to do what you could to avoid being hospitalized during a pandemic.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:17PM (1 child)
You generally get modded troll for saying so, but it is the number three killer, just behind heart disease and cancer. Very little of that is vaccines though.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by EvilSS on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:55PM
I don't doubt it. I've seen it. There is a reason all my doctors are out of a top-10 hospital, even though it's 20 miles from my house. I've seen medical care from military hospitals, rural hospitals, well funded private hospitals, and top-tier research hospitals. There is a vast spread in the quality of care but even in the best hospitals, mistakes happen every day. And that's without the hospitals being overburdened like they are now.
Which, like I said, is a damn good reason to do what you can, like getting vaccinated, to avoid being admitted to any of them whenever possible.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by mcgrew on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:11PM (1 child)
The last time a guy told me he was "doing his own research," one of his sources was Infowars, where every single word is a lie. There sure are a lot of morons here lately, who posted a s/n link to Farsebook?
mcgrewbooks.com mcgrew.info nooze.org
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:44PM
What a nice little anecdote... that you can't provide any proof of, because, well, it's presented as a rhetorical anecdote..
(Score: 5, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @05:13PM (4 children)
Good advice! I did exactly that, and then went and got vaccinated, and purchased a pack of masks. Funny how the same starting point can lead to such different results, isn't it. I guess it all comes down to personal opinion, and in my opinion, you're not nearly as good at critical thinking as you think you are.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:18PM (1 child)
No, the funny part is how intolerant some of you can be toward those who disagree with you. You have some burning need for everyone to verify your decision for you.
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:35PM
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:34PM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:44PM
Only now when we've passed many thresholds of no return do you begin to see the cracks in conservative ideology. Not that you have to toss it all out by any means, just some adjustments here and there. Anti-science FUD is endemic to current conservative thinking, and conservative economic theory has utterly failed. However, far left economic theories like pure communism also failed. The answer is highly regulated free markets, and government beholden to the people not special interests. That worked quite well until Citizen's United gave the keys to the wealthy.
(Score: 4, Informative) by DannyB on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:17PM (1 child)
It is potentially harmful in the same way that taking an Advil or Tylenol is also potentially harmful. Some people will have bad side effects.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Friday January 07 2022, @06:41AM
I just looked up the numbers for Tylenol. The COVID vaccines are way safer. Same for aspirin. Nobody who's willing to take a headache pill has any reason to think the vaccines are too risky.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Friday January 07 2022, @06:33AM
Do my own research?
I can't afford to recruit 30,000 people for a safety and efficacy study. So I happily read the results when someone else did for the Phase 3 trial.
I can't afford to compare results between more than 800,000 vaccinated people and the same number of unvaccinated people. Therefore I learn from the people who did.
The research has been done. We can learn from it.
No matter how I slice it based on wide and critical reading, that "potentially harmful vaccine" is thousands of times safer than COVID.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @09:35PM
Yeah, they wanted my newborn to take that Tetanus vaccine. I did my own research! Did you know that this is a **toxin** that was supposedly inactivated for FORMALIN!! So you have formalin and a toxin in there, god knows what type of stuff it causes. Formalin alone is carcinogenic in even small quantities. And then they said that this was suppose to be given FOUR TIMES!!! FOUR!! How can a vaccine be any effective if you need to give it 4 TIMES in ONE FUCKING YEAR!!
No sirreee, no need for this. Good thing I did my own research and not trust these so called "experts"
/sarcasm -- yeah, need that these days, which is rather sad.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @04:54PM
YES BROTHER! Full immunity IS POSSIBLE, we just have to KEEP BOOSTING! We can't give up now, the finish line may be only one boost away!
I'm gonna BOOOOOOOOST!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:18PM
Every time i leave my home it's a tingle in my throat, irritation of the eyes, sniffles of the nose.
Dry hazy weather will do that.
Mistaken for COVID? Perhaps but the symptoms disappear when I'm indoors.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday January 06 2022, @06:23PM (5 children)
Kelly Ernby stood against vaccine mandates. Her death from COVID made her a symbol [latimes.com]
Get vaccinated.
I posted a recent journal article on SN of a study showing that Trump voting counties are seeing higher covid-19 death rates.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @07:28PM (4 children)
Anecdotes are not data.
She was anti vaccine mandate, not anti-vaccine. Some people (not you of course) actually believe in that whole "liberty or death" thing.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday January 06 2022, @09:18PM (2 children)
I won't post any more here or now. There are a number of anti vaxers who have died of covid-19 very recently. Google knows.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @02:45AM (1 child)
That sounds like the basis for a new conspiracy theory.
Q. Are prominent anti-vaxxers more likely to die than unvaccinated ordinary people in the same age/health group?
A. Someone is going around bumping off prominent anti-vaxxers and making it look like China-Flu did it.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday January 07 2022, @03:24PM
Even if it is untrue, it could easily become a conspiracy theory and spread on social media by people who are malicious and be believed by people who are ignorant, and I hate to say it, but just plain stupid.
The lower I set my standards the more accomplishments I have.
(Score: 4, Informative) by ilsa on Thursday January 06 2022, @10:19PM
Liberty cannot exist without responsibility. These people are nothing more than over-aged toddlers.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 06 2022, @11:41PM (15 children)
Why did everybody suddenly start labelling people anti-vaxers and emitting bile against the unvaccinated?
The theory was that 80% or so vaccination rate would solve all of the problems. And that benchmark has been well exceeded. So why has everybody suddenly turned on the unvaccinated?
Could it be that the vaccination is not the panacea people were hoping for? So now we must all hunt down and destroy the unvaccinated because now it is all their fault. Wasn't it supposedly China's fault? Or did that hysterical response run out of puff?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @12:01AM (7 children)
"The theory was that 80% or so vaccination rate would solve all of the problems. And that benchmark has been well exceeded."
[Citation needed]
Fackin disinfo trolls
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @12:15AM (2 children)
** sigh ** [nih.gov]
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @08:38AM (1 child)
** sigh**
You completely left out the important part, your confident assertion "that benchmark has been well exceeded." However the study ranges from 60-90% depending on
Should at least read your own citations, you just look for the convenient reference no matter how tenuous or even incorrect. My favorite part was
Accounting for anti-maskers is difficult in the extreme and projections vary wildly so if you don't explain the variables and want a single averaged number, like say 80%, then you are no better than clickbait journalism. Being part of the problem which throws off projections decimates your credibility. Honestly you would advance your progress as a human if you were capable of simply accepting that you're approach to COVID is fundamentally wrong and embrace the medical advice of masking and social distancing as much as possible. Would involve self reflection, overcoming a personal limitation and growing as a person because being wrong is not weakness but opportunity for growth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @03:58AM
No it isn't, cloth masks do not protect against or prevent aerosol. This isn't a difficult concept, even for a complete retard like you!
Well exactly, you are part of the problem by being a retard with no credibility.
You would be a better troll if you were not so retarded. The evidence is in and none of the control measures advanced by psychopaths (like you) demonstrate any real world efficacy. So why don't you just fuck off!?!
(Score: 2) by ilsa on Friday January 07 2022, @03:09PM (3 children)
Because the 10% of assholes who refuse to vaccinate are grossly disproportionately exacerbating the situation. They are causing the collapse of health care systems all around the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @09:37PM
Just ban them from hospitals for COVID related stuff. No vaccine, no access.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @10:17PM
No, that's the vaccinated idiots acting like covid is over because they "got the jab".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @04:05AM
Complete bullshit, were you were born mentally retarded? Nobody reviewing your comments here could be less than certain. From where are you getting your misinformation?
Cite your evidence because there is none, you are spreading blatant misinformation. You are a liar, fuck off!
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 07 2022, @12:13AM (6 children)
Vaccines would have been effective against the original variant, Delta destroyed any hope of herd immunity through vaccination as efficacy is too low. The anti-vax loons are being scapegoated by psychopath politicians and their establishment media to cover for the failure of covid policies.
Did you forget all the videos from China showing people collapsing in the street, while they locked up whistleblowers and refused to limit travel? No other coronavirus closely related to SARS-CoV-2 has a furin cleavage site. Isn't it strange that in Omicron it's less effective, almost as if we're seeing regression to the mean?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Reziac on Friday January 07 2022, @02:54AM (5 children)
"Did you forget all the videos from China showing people collapsing in the street, "
Someone suggested that China's wildly panicked response (eg. welding people inside their apartments) was because CV19 wasn't the only virus released, that perhaps nastier bugs got loose too, but burned themselves out before they could spread to the rest of the world. Having seen those videos (and given that CV19's lethality is closer to flu than to smallpox), I begin to think that's not only plausible but likely. China did have people literally dying in the streets. We did not. CV19 alone cannot explain that discrepancy.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @12:44AM (4 children)
Wonder why you got modded troll, you're not stating it as fact and it is an interesting possibility. However it could have simply been COVID-19 causing people to die in the streets, someone with failing lungs might finally freak out enough to go get help then collapse coughing in the street. I'm not knowledgeable enough about Chinese medical operations to know if they can easily get ambulances, is it socialized or do poor people have to cover insane costs like the US?
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 08 2022, @10:27PM (2 children)
Or, as the rightwing loves to point out, viruses usually evolve to be less deadly. The initial strain in China killed a lot more people and eventually lost the race to mutant strains that didn't. An exact parallel to what happened between Delta and Omicron.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday January 10 2022, @12:45AM (1 child)
The speculation I mentioned made the point that even at its initial worst, corona deaths didn't look like that. Someone on the edge of death from the 'rona wouldn't have been wobbling down the street; they'd have been hacking their lungs out and in no condition to stagger anywhere. I think it's reasonable to consider that IF there was a lab leak, more than one pathogen MAY have escaped, and that, more than the 'rona deaths, might explain China's exaggerated initial response. Stay home and wear a mask is rational against corona. Welding the possibly-infected inside their homes is not.
As to becoming less pathogenic, that's more being lucky than typical virus evolution; consider rabies, smallpox, ebola, distemper, and parvovirus, none at all attenuated by time, and they've all been around a lot longer than CV19 has been in the human population.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 10 2022, @04:57AM
I didn't say they became less pathogenic. I said they usually became less fatal over time. Your citation of five diseases where some viruses that cause those diseases became more fatal and pathogenic doesn't change the overall trend among viruses. Which also leads into your "COVID deaths don't look like that" because they absolutely can and do look like that. But even if atypical one of the big problems with zoonotic diseases is that initially they are often more deadly to humans than the animals they are caught from and with different symptoms than what we are used to seeing.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Monday January 10 2022, @12:33AM
My understanding is that medical care in China is very hit-or-miss. You might get good care or you might be on your own, tho I gather it's usually expensive. But these vids didn't show poor people; they were business types in a decent neighborhood.
And the vids I saw showed people without really obvious symptoms other than weakness, then suddenly they collapsed. Not coughing and gasping as one might expect, more like what you might see from a sudden drop in blood pressure.
I've seen dogs die like that, where one moment they're fine, then over a span of no more than ten seconds they go wobbly, fall down, stop breathing, and no heartbeat. In one case we think the cause was a prior bout with infectious arthritis (ordinarily a disease of pigs) which is really a form of staph, and can affect the heart like rheumatic fever. In another it was due to a congenital heart defect that suddenly caught up with the dog. So, was there initially another disease that primarily attacked the heart, but that never made it out of China? Who knows, and by now it's really too late to investigate.
Yeah, dunno why opining on someone else's speculation is trolling, but there ya go. I do think it's reasonable to consider that we might have been seeing more than one thing, not just a coronavirus.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.