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posted by janrinok on Friday January 14 2022, @01:39PM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the [try-to]-get-it-while-it's-hot! dept.

AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D CPU could be in short supply when it launches:

AMD's Ryzen 7 5800X3D, the new 3D V-cache processor revealed at CES, may only be produced in small numbers when it lands in early 2022 – and the chip may remain thin on the ground until the second half of the year rolls around, going by the latest from the rumor mill.

This comes from DigiTimes (via PC Gamer), which reports that TSMC, which is making the 5800X3D, is only expected to kick off with 'small-volume production' of the processor, according to the usual industry sources in the know. However, the report also makes clear that production could ramp up considerably when TSMC's new packaging plant in Chunan (Taiwan) goes live later in the year (supposedly in the second half of 2022).

So, while everyone is (rightly) cautious about the potential amount of stock when it comes to many new PC components at launch, it appears that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D could be particularly shaky to begin with – perhaps for the first few months of the CPU being on shelves (or not, as the case may be).

At least if this report is correct, anyway; and note we certainly must be cautious on that score, as DigiTimes isn't always the most reliable media outlet.

[...] We know that component shortages are making life difficult for AMD (and everyone else) anyway, certainly for the first half of this year, and as PC Gamer points out, the company has to prioritize enterprise chips (Epyc) to a large extent at the high-end as these are big profit spinners.

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On average at 1080p, the 5800X3D is ~9% faster than the 12900K, which costs 30% more, and ~7% faster than the Core i9-12900KS, which costs a whopping 64% more. That means the Ryzen 7 58000X3D is now both the fastest gaming chip in our test suite and a better value for gaming specifically than the Core i9 models.

Overclocking either of Intel's Core i9 models requires a beefy cooler and robust motherboard. However, despite its much tamer overall power requirements, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is still ~3% faster than the overclocked 12900K in our cumulative measurement.

[...] AMD's marketing claim is that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is, on average, 15% faster than the Ryzen 9 5900X. The 3D V-Cache doesn't improve performance in all games, so this will vary, but we recorded a 21% increase over the 5900X at 1080p in our test suite, which is incredibly impressive.

The 5800X3D and the 5800X are built from the same basic design, but the X3D model has a 200 MHz lower boost and 400 MHz lower base clock than the 5800X. Despite that limitation, we recorded a massive 28% gain over the 5800X at 1080p, which is impressive. However, overclocking the 5800X3D's [DDR4] memory yielded an average performance increase of only about 1%, which isn't too meaningful.

[...] These results clearly show that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a chip designed specifically for gaming, not for leading-edge performance in application workloads. We've highlighted the 5800X3D beating the 12900K in gaming, but we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that the 12900K is 29% faster in single-threaded work and 62% faster in threaded applications. That chasm grows even larger with the Core i9-12900KS.

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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by looorg on Friday January 14 2022, @02:34PM (3 children)

    by looorg (578) on Friday January 14 2022, @02:34PM (#1212670)

    Right. New hardware in short supply on release. Not like that hasn't been a thing now for several years. Still apparently not enough of a deal to try and do something about it. I guess they are happy that they sell out their latest graphics cards. But somehow they are not going to the intended customers. Well it's not like they are picky about whom buys their cards. But it would be nice if they at least just acknowledge that our products are for miners now, gamers are second tier customers and we'll get to them eventually ... So they can blame that on the chip shortage or whatever they like but it was a things before the "shortage".

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday January 14 2022, @03:10PM

      by Freeman (732) on Friday January 14 2022, @03:10PM (#1212676) Journal

      Miners may be part of the problem, but demand has increased as well. With the Chinese crackdown on mining/miners, you would think there would be a flood of used cards on the market. Could just be kind of hard to tell, what with used cards also going for obscene prices. I'm hoping that prices start to dip come sometime next year.

      Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by takyon on Friday January 14 2022, @03:51PM

      by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Friday January 14 2022, @03:51PM (#1212681) Journal

      Nvidia got caught sending cards directly to miners, and basically doing fake launches to hide new mining cards (like the RTX 2060 12 GB). Though AMD is not innocent and ended up selling its own mining cards [] as well.

      These CPUs have nothing to do with miners. The reason for the limited launch is that they want as much 3D cache as possible to go to Milan-X Epyc [] customers. 5800X3D is kind of a stopgap, something that might be able to almost tie the Intel Core i9-12900K in gaming, and it gives one last upgrade path for AM4 owners. Too bad there is no 5950X3D since it should also have some of the same huge boosts seen in Milan-X (the amount of L3 cache each core/chiplet can access is the same).

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday January 14 2022, @05:24PM

      by digitalaudiorock (688) on Friday January 14 2022, @05:24PM (#1212703)

      Just under a year ago I built my first new workstation in many many years...running Gentoo on a AMD RYZEN 7 3700X based system with a Radeon RX 5500 XT 8-GB card. Until recently I didn't realize how the GPU market when bat shit crazy. I think that Radeon card cost me inside of $250 at that time. Glad I got it when I did. Insane.

  • (Score: 2) by Revek on Friday January 14 2022, @03:42PM

    by Revek (5022) on Friday January 14 2022, @03:42PM (#1212678)

    Short supply is the theme for the 2020's.

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