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posted by martyb on Thursday January 27 2022, @03:37PM   Printer-friendly
from the chaaaaaarge dept.

Tesla exceeded revenue estimates in Q4 2021 by more than $1 billion:

According to Tesla's shareholder deck for Q4, which was released on Wednesday, not only was the company profitable, but it exceeded analyst estimates for revenue by over a billion dollars. Not bad when you're over a billion bucks ahead of the game, right?

[...] In the production department, things were similarly rosy. The company reported that it increased overall production of all its vehicles combined by 70% versus Q4 of 2020. Of course, that's not super surprising given what 2020 was like. Interestingly, Model S and Model X production was down 19% year over year, while the Model 3 and Model Y were up by 79%, which shows the brand's continued commitment to its more affordable models.

[...] Tesla also continued to expand its Supercharger network to a total of 3,476 stations with 31,498 plugs. That's a bump of 36% in stations over 2020, which is pretty respectable, especially considering supply chain issues and their effect on everything construction-related.


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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @03:54PM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @03:54PM (#1216176)

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/10/26/teslas-china-sales-have-grown-to-nearly-half-the-sales-in-the-us.html [cnbc.com]

    Bullet points on this article:

    Elon Musk’s electric car company reported sales of $3.11 billion in China in the third quarter, or 48.5% of the $6.41 billion U.S. sales during that time, according to a filing Monday.
            China’s share in Tesla’s overall sales rose to 22.6% in the third quarter, up from just under 20% a year ago.
            Tesla shares hit a record high — and a $1 trillion market cap — in New York trading Monday after rental company Hertz announced it would buy 100,000 Tesla cars by the end of next year.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday January 27 2022, @04:31PM (5 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday January 27 2022, @04:31PM (#1216182)

      And the stock price continues to sink past levels last seen in October 2021.

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @04:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @04:54PM (#1216187)

        Jew-run ventures such as Tesla are not made successful through their own hard work, they are anointed their success using dark money, and by the deep-state thugs who need a legitimate cutout for their activities. Amazon, Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, all the same shit. Palantir will be the next one to reach obscene and questionable levels of success. So greedy Jews can profit and further subjugate the Goyim.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Freeman on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:03PM

        by Freeman (732) on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:03PM (#1216189) Journal

        If a company isn't bleeding money, then it must be worthless. Quick, someone throw more money at Uber!

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      • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:25PM (1 child)

        by crafoo (6639) on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:25PM (#1216198)

        In a market where every P/E ratio is completely F-ed up by free printed money and effectively 0 interest rates, total market capitalization and a company's profitability have little correlation.

        • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday January 28 2022, @04:18AM

          by legont (4179) on Friday January 28 2022, @04:18AM (#1216387)

          Yet, P/E is the only thing we can use for an estimate. Based on it and old fashion charts I hereby predict it will drop into 30-100 area.

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      • (Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday January 28 2022, @03:49PM

        by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 28 2022, @03:49PM (#1216462)

        From what I understand it is the chip shortage that is the biggest factor. Tesla has postponed production of Cybertrucks due to that.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:24PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:24PM (#1216197)

    What's that in Dogecoin?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @06:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @06:11PM (#1216212)

      Depends on what day/minute/second you ask. And if Elon has changed his mind again about accepting crypto as payment for cars...

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:42PM (4 children)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday January 27 2022, @05:42PM (#1216204) Journal

    Tesla has become predictably overambitious with its timelines. When it was announced the Cybertruck was said to begin sales in 2022. Now they're pushing it to 2023. That's not a big deal when the deposit was $100, but when that sort of thing happens consistently it softens the impact of the company's announcements. They should try to do the opposite every third or fourth announcement, to begin shipping new models before initial deadlines.

    That would keep the level of investor and market attention where Tesla still needs it to be. Other car manufacturers are coming out with their own electric cars, and some of them are credible. Especially in sectors like semis, delivery vans, and trucks where Tesla hasn't really entered yet, the Fords and GMs of the world aren't waiting around for Tesla to steal a march on them anymore.

    Long term market domination will depend on Tesla locking in key advantages like setting standards, owning critical patents on battery technology, and that sort of thing.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @06:17PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @06:17PM (#1216215)

      I still think that Elon wants to be a battery manufacturer. It's a much more straightforward business if you are selling business-to-business (supply batteries to other car companies, utilities, etc) than it is to sell to individual buyers ("consumers").

      I predict he'll get out of the Tesla car business and then claim he started Tesla to have an initial market for his batteries. (no predictions as to when this might happen)

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:22PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:22PM (#1216261)

        yes, battery are essential but they are not "high tech" like computer chips are. i suppose it's possible to reverse engineer cpus but i also think that reverse engineering batteries is alot easier.
        so, having a "outlet" (in shape of a e.car) for your own batteries is probably still a good thing to have ...
        as for who will "win" the battery market, it's all about cost, duh. so whoever can decouple at least the energy input cost of manufacturing batteries will win. plain and simple dog-fooding.
        this is plain logical but with all the financial wizardry .. or rather sorcery, who knows how the "i'll pat your back if you pat mine" cabal of old money will twist the market towards an "agreeable" winner ... one thing is for sure; it will not come cheap. just like fusion is taking forever, maybe not because it's difficult to make a fridge-sized deuterium fusor with excess output, but a herculean (and time consuming) task to mold education, science and clubbermint enough to make it impossible so that only a >50'000 ton machine is just barely feasible : P

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:29PM (#1216268)

          cabal (noun): you know ... wydencliff(?) tower and a pigeon lover dying broke and alone in a n.y. hotel room -cabal.

        • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday January 28 2022, @11:55AM

          by PiMuNu (3823) on Friday January 28 2022, @11:55AM (#1216421)

          > maybe not because it's difficult to make a fridge-sized deuterium fusor with excess output

          Thanks Mr AC. I will await your designs for that fusor. Looking forwards to seeing it!

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:50PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 27 2022, @08:50PM (#1216281)

    "he started Tesla to have an initial market for his batteries"

    And he ran a solar panel company into the ground.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28 2022, @01:15AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28 2022, @01:15AM (#1216347)

    If "analysts" miss the mark by one BILLION, and yes that is with a "B", it shows what bullshit projections are from "the street." These same projections where a company's stock will go down if they doubled their profits, but the experts expected them to treble them.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28 2022, @04:56AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 28 2022, @04:56AM (#1216390)

      but the experts expected them to treble them

      It's all about the bass with investors

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