California can once again set its own emissions rules, EPA says:
California can now set its own emission standards under the Clean Air Act, the EPA announced today. The decision puts an end to a feud that began when automakers pushed the Trump administration to revisit fuel efficiency rules, which eventually led the former president to revoke California's waiver to declare its own standards in 2019. California is known for pushing stricter emissions requirements than the federal government, standards which have also been adopted by 16 other states and Washington, D.C.
"Today we proudly reaffirm California's longstanding authority to lead in addressing pollution from cars and trucks," EPA Administrator Michael S. Regan said in a statement. "Our partnership with states to confront the climate crisis has never been more important. With today's action, we reinstate an approach that for years has helped advance clean technologies and cut air pollution for people not just in California, but for the U.S. as a whole."
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @12:41AM (24 children)
and adopt the California rules for everybody
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:39PM (5 children)
And be thrown out on their arses ASAP.
Wake up greenie; your great ally Mr. Putin is going down but the economy will suffer for it. Not the best time to try and steal another chunk of money out of people's pockets.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:20PM (3 children)
Shut up, aristarchus.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:49PM (2 children)
Uhoh, resident russian asset who shitposts way too much is somehow, someway, getting dumber. Truly we live in wondrous times.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:01PM (1 child)
I wish! No, foreign powers probably find me just as unemployable as domestic corporations, but I don't know where to apply to find out for sure. Shilling sounds like a fun job.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:35PM
It really is! Can you put in a good word?
(Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Friday March 18 2022, @03:05PM
And here we have the "party of state's rights" bitching that a state got its rights back.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:51PM (15 children)
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:51PM (10 children)
Whatever makes you feel better widdle bibby. White supremacy is stupid, and the GOP are traitors, may this small transfer of knowledge help light your way.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:16PM (9 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:33PM (8 children)
Poor manbaby needs to deflect. Whatever helps you emotionally grow
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 13 2022, @12:13AM (7 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @05:08PM (6 children)
Yet you keep denying the GOP insurrection and 45's criminal actions. We can pull up a thesaurus and find other words that might aid your comprehension.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 13 2022, @08:34PM (5 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @10:12AM (4 children)
No, the subject at hand is California's regulations on emissions, not mileage. Though I'm not sure why, since California's been setting their own standards since Clean Air Act gave them the option except for the last few years. Other states can use either the Federal standards or California's standards, as they please.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 14 2022, @02:23PM (3 children)
It's in the name: for example, CAFE == "corporate average fuel economy". The story also terms it "fuel efficiency rules".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2022, @12:46AM (2 children)
The EPA press release doesn't mention CAFE. It mentions the Clean Air Act and starts by saying "Today, EPA reinstated California’s authority under the Clean Air Act to implement its own greenhouse gas (GHG) emission standards and zero emission vehicle (ZEV) sales mandate." There's nothing in the EPA release about mileage.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 15 2022, @03:46AM (1 child)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 15 2022, @03:13PM
The article about revoking the waiver does mention fuel economy, but when talking about the waiver it only mentions emissions. "The announcement comes a day after President Donald Trump said he would revoke a federal waiver that enabled California to set stricter standards for vehicle emissions, insisting that the move ultimately would produce "far less expensive" and safer cars." "Wheeler responded by pointing out the action only targets California's greenhouse gas emissions rules for cars and trucks but still allows the state to regulate other kinds of pollution from vehicles." So it looks like the waiver was only for emissions and was revoked because CA was trying to regulate mileage. Either way, what was restored was only an emissions waiver.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @04:27AM (3 children)
California just suffers from bad management and insufferable bureaucracy, the smog rules are needed, not that they help contain the Chinese smog that drifts over. Rumor has it that a full 25% is Chinese , that's kind of a lot
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @04:55AM (2 children)
Sounds like bullshit. Citation, please!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @03:50PM
Just google it, I'm not gonna waste my time with you
(Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday March 13 2022, @04:53PM
Ozone is created via reaction with sunlight and nitrogen oxides. Despite US sources dropping by a factor of 2, ozone generation has allegedly gone up due to those Asian sources. China and India are the primary sources.
The "25%" seems to be particulate pollution which I couldn't find a primary source to cite. This secondary source [discountfilters.com] sums up what I've found:
It links to a LA Times story that no longer exists and isn't archived in the Wayback Machine.
https://www.laweekly.com/news/does-29-percent-of-las-smog-come-from-east-asia-bay-area-study-dust-storms-carry-pollution-over-pacific-2391736 [laweekly.com]
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Sunday March 13 2022, @06:40AM (1 child)
CARB Compliant vehicles are significantly more expensive to purchase and service. No thank you.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @09:35AM
For most of your mass-market cars, the difference is something like $200 new. Your average new car buyer probably spends more than that on useless upgrades.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @01:07AM (3 children)
Bought a used car in Philly, brought to Cali, had to pay cuz it's not Cali-emission standard.
This was decades ago.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @01:24AM (1 child)
Did you have the onion on your belt?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:01AM
Of course I did! That was the style in those days.
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I ran a 8 year experiment back in the 80s when one of the farmers markets was singing the praises of their bio-degradable onions. Tacked a couple to the sunny side of a shed, and staked a couple more on the ground. Ten years later my wife took them down and threw them in the recycle when we moved out of that house.
Statute of limitations on false advertising had already expired.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @05:07AM
I was a smog test/repair tech in Cali... The Ca car smog test program is a fucking farce that hasn't been needed since the mid to late 80's when almost every car went to fuel injection.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:05AM (3 children)
Federalism is good when Democrats do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:50AM (2 children)
If California is free to set stricter standards based on their local environmental and economic situation, why couldn't say Florida set theirs lower?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @09:10AM
Technically they should be able to, but those vehicles wouldn't be legal to sell or operate in states with stricter standards, or on federal highways. Or at least, that's how it's supposed to work. The Commerce Clause has been much abused by both parties to bludgeon opposite-aligned states into compliance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @04:55PM
They already has DeSantis, how low do you expect them to go?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @09:28AM (1 child)
i am counting solar panels here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w97eh_HfYfQ [youtube.com]
seems not only the police is blind.
fyi, if every car counted where electric ... well those 10 panels i counted are more then enough.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @10:26AM
sry to have to play nostra-dumbus but woulnd want to be the leader of any country in 2024-2026.
trust fund life is gonna stall around there since asking people to consume (anything) less is counter everything human history has taught us. less breed for you, same amount of cake for me.
yes, i am sorry germany, but before you can help the world you gotta help yourself and i doubt you're gonna have any spare capacity to build and export your green tech anywhere (my stuff is all from china, wut?)
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 12 2022, @01:18PM (28 children)
EPA Administrator Michael S. Regan is another political crony who admires authoritarians. Federal standards may or may not be strict enough, but you don't give one state "authority" to force stupid shit on all the other states.
To be clear, California has no legitimate authority, they are only being handed the power to dictate their will to the world.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:20PM
Being stupid should hurt, only way you'll learn
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:32PM (10 children)
How is this giving California any authority over any entity outside of the state of California? It doesn't force other states to do anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:37PM
Runaway the moron is mad california has a large market and will influence emissions of major automakers. Almost like he hates any freedom that doesn't conform to his narrow world view.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 12 2022, @03:55PM (8 children)
As stated above, California has no authority in the matter. They do, however, acquire power with the ruling. Let us be carefully distinguish between authority and power. Any automaker desiring to sell autos in California must meet California standards. Since the automaker isn't going to create two auto assembly lines, one for California, the other for The Rest Of The World, California effectively controls emissions standards for the entire United States, and by default, for the world.
I'm sure that some automakers have never even considered importing their vehicles into the US, while others might import if the standards weren't so high. But, California effectively blocks importation of any vehicles that don't meet their emissions standards.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @05:24PM
You've got issues man.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 12 2022, @06:19PM (6 children)
I'm sorry - but you are talking complete rubbish.
What car manufacturers wish to do, or who wishes to import cars into the US, is a matter for that company and its shareholders to decide. California is not giving them an ultimatum. If they chose to comply with California it is because they can make money by doing so,
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:53PM (5 children)
Jani begins to get a clue. Wonder if there is any hope for him long term.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 13 2022, @06:17AM (4 children)
I've always 'had a clue' Ari. But when this sort of stupidity ends up in the comments outside of a journal I feel free to give my opinion, just as everyone else is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @05:11PM (3 children)
Don't mind me while I doubt your mental powers when you can't even identify an ari post correctly. Really makes one doubt your previous allegations, though I will say his sock puppeting seems quite believable. Why haven't you banned the usernames with slurs in them?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 13 2022, @06:59PM (2 children)
You are posting as AC. Only 1 person has ever previously used that abbreviation of my name. If it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck then do forgive me if I think it is a duck.
Which names are you referring to?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @08:24PM (1 child)
And everyone that uses "ari" is a Runaway troll? Get real, your powers of deduction are weak and while I condemn ari for sock puppeting your false accusations make me wonder if someone else is pretending to be ari, complete with the slur username which would be easy for you to find by searching for the most common racial slurs. By your logic you can be called a fascist because ducks quack and all that. Something to be aware of when you sit smugly thinking you're more reasonable or considerate than the other trolls.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 14 2022, @02:27PM
The difference is that "ari" is a widely used nickname.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday March 12 2022, @06:15PM (13 children)
California is entitled to enforce rules in California. They are not being given the power to impose them on anyone else. If car manufacturers elsewhere decide to comply to California's laws then that is something for their shareholders to complain about.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:54PM (1 child)
So we can surely apply this same logic to other topics right? What about abolition? Can states make their own rules or is that different somehow?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:58PM
Are you really not embarassed by that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @07:55PM
Welcome to the GOP narratives, sadly you're too old so all the cold war propaganda has a death grip on your brain.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:02PM (8 children)
I've already explained it. California sets the standard for every vehicle coming into the state. Auto manufacturers can't run two production lines, so all their cars conform to California laws, or none conform. It's as plain as the nose on your face.
I would be amused if the major auto makers collectively told California to stick it up their asses, and break it off in there. No more new cars for California - no American cars, no foreign cars, none, except for the limited amount of electric cars being produced.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 12 2022, @08:18PM (7 children)
Gramps doesn't like reality and is trying to rewrite history. Your buddies are busy censoring schools and restricting freedoms, but sure California emmissions policy is the REAL tyranny.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 13 2022, @02:46AM (6 children)
Censoring schools? You mean Florida? Do you have any idea what is in the bill, or are you just parroting those talking points again?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/how-a-florida-parental-rights-bill-was-misnamed-as-a-dont-say-gay-bill [washingtonexaminer.com]
https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/1500971287010852868?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1500971287010852868%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/community-family/how-a-florida-parental-rights-bill-was-misnamed-as-a-dont-say-gay-bill [twitter.com]
Do you think that it's alright for perverts to groom little children who don't understand what sex is?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 13 2022, @05:17PM (2 children)
Wow, so now you're going with "think of the children"? Really? That is the longest running excuse for anti-freedom bullshit that we used to make fun of, but Fox is shoving that FUD into your eyeballs so it MuSt be true! All the actual grooming I heat about comes from friends that have escaped cults like Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses. JWs are in lots of legal trouble right now for covering up pedophilia. We all know about Catholics.
But yeah, we need more rightwing bigotry to keep everyone's attention on the non-problems that make rightwingers uncomfortable! Get fucked you evil cunt.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 13 2022, @09:44PM (1 child)
Absolutely not. I'm going with "stop thinking of the children, get out of their classes, stop teaching them smut and filth!"
Apparently, you missed the grades K thru 3.
Oh, I forgot that Bible thing. "Warp them young, and they will not depart from your warping."
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @03:25PM
Look, an idiot! No really, you're too fucking stupid for the modern world and should spend your days on a porch yelling about your lawn. I'd make a joke about witch burnings but you morons tend to miss sarcasm.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @09:50AM (2 children)
You can explain what sexual and gender identity is to children in an age appropriate way without even getting close to mentioning sexual intercourse. Perhaps you should go to your local library and ask for some appropriate books for your elementary aged child. Perhaps they will give you "Families, Families, Families" "And Tango Makes Three" or one of the other countless books that do so.
Or maybe you think that telling kids about heterosexual and cisgendered people in an age appropriate way is equally grooming? If so, the only pervert here seems to be you making everything about sex. If not, what is different that makes one about sex and the other not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @10:09AM (1 child)
The thing is, you DON'T teach children about heterosexual relations, until they ASK. No mother ever decided that today her six or seven year old must learn the birds and the bees. If a six year old ASKS ABOUT sex, THEN you explain the facts of life. That is why people are shocked that sex education of any type is part of the curriculum in K thru 3.
The bill does not prohibit talk between students. It does not prohibit answering a child's question. The bill only prohibits setting up shop, and introducing children to the gay world as part of the curriculum.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 14 2022, @10:29AM
Where did I mention heterosexual relations or teaching children about sex at all? You can tell people that Heather has two mothers or that Bobby has a mother and a father without having to explain what they do in the bedroom.
And that doesn't even touch the fact that even answering a child's question by a teacher counts as instruction. That is what is so insidious about the bill precisely because it isn't limited to the formal curriculum.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 14 2022, @02:41PM
(Score: 2) by Nobuddy on Friday March 18 2022, @03:07PM (1 child)
Morons that screech for states rights always screech louder when a state gets a right they don't like.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday March 18 2022, @07:53PM
Perhaps you should read my posts on the subject again? I'm not "screeching" about a state's right, but complaining that California gains the de facto power to dictate what all the other states are going to accept.
California insists that the auto industry builds things to meet their own requirements, and that effectively dictates that all the other states and territories will have those same requirements.
If California demands such a privilege, then they could at least negotiate with the other member states of the United States. That doesn't necessarily require federal government involvement, just a meeting of the minds among state agencies and governors.