AMD has announced the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, which is an 8-core 5800X Zen 3 desktop CPU with additional "3D V-Cache" (96 MiB total L3 cache) and slightly lower clock speeds (and no ability to overclock by manually adjusting frequency or voltage). The CPU will launch on April 20 at an MSRP of $449. Previously released Zen 3 CPUs have gotten price cuts in recent months.
AMD also announced official support for Ryzen 5000 CPUs on older motherboards, provided that they receive a BIOS update:
[In] a move as equally unexpected as launching new Zen 2 SKUs in 2022, AMD is also finally relenting on enabling official support for Ryzen 5000 processors on AMD's older 300 series chipsets. Though the company has long declined to support the newest Zen 3 chips on these older chipsets, almost a year and a half later AMD is finally changing their tune, and will be releasing (and supporting) the necessary code to motherboard manufacturers to add support for the chips in new BIOSes. To that end, Ryzen 5000 support should start appearing in beta BIOSes in April and May.
AMD claims that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D will be 15% faster at gaming on average than the Ryzen 9 5900X:
In either case, AMD has decided to go after the gaming market with their beefy 8-core CPU. As detailed by the company back at CES 2022 and reiterated in today's announcement, AMD has found that the chip is 15% faster at gaming than their Ryzen 9 5900X. As our own Dr. Ian Cutress noted at the time: "The extra cache is meant to help with communications with discrete graphics cards, offering additional performance above the regular R7 5800X. Productivity workloads are less likely to be affected, and for those users the regular Ryzen CPUs are expected to be better."
In addition to the 5800X3D, AMD announced 6 "new" CPUs ranging from $100 to $300 in order to combat Intel's Alder Lake desktop CPU lineup.
Ryzen 7 5700X ($299): 8-core Zen 3, 32 MiB L3 cache
Ryzen 5 5600 ($199): 6-core Zen 3, 32 MiB L3 cache
Ryzen 5 5500 ($159): 6-core Zen 3, 16 MiB L3 cache (may be a Cezanne APU with graphics disabled)
Ryzen 5 4600G ($154): 6-core Zen 2, Vega 7 graphics, 8 MiB L3 cache (this was previously an OEM-only Renoir APU)
Ryzen 5 4500 ($129): 6-core Zen 2, 8 MiB L3 cache
Ryzen 3 4100 ($99): 4-core Zen 2, 4 MiB L3 cache
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AMD's Ryzen 5000 CPUs Get Major Price Cuts, Up to 25 Percent:
AMD's Ryzen 5000 (Vermeer) processors are two years old, but the Zen 3 chips are still among some of the best CPUs on the market. If you're looking for your next upgrade, U.S. retailers, including Amazon, Best Buy, Micro Center, and Newegg, are currently selling the Ryzen 5000 lineup at reduced prices.
The Ryzen 5000 price cuts are probably an answer to the recently released Intel 12th Generation Alder Lake product stack that has helped Intel recover market share in the Japanese and German markets. While Ryzen 5000 still dominates the list of best-selling processors on Amazon and Newegg, Alder Lake has been creeping up to the Zen 3 parts. For example, the Core i7-12700KF is the seventh best-selling chip on Amazon, whereas the Core i7-12700K is in the third spot on Newegg's charts. Moreover, it's that time of the year when retailers start making space for the next wave of processors.
AMD has already confirmed that Ryzen 7000 (Raphael), Ryzen 5000's successor, will hit the market in the second half of the year, so retailers have likely started to offload Ryzen 5000 parts. Ryzen 7000 lives on the completely new AM5 platform with PCIe 5.0 and DDR5 support. The transition to the AM5 socket means consumers will have to invest in a new motherboard, although the topic of the memory remains in the air. Intel's Alder Lake supports both DDR4 and DDR5 memory modules, but AMD hasn't confirmed if Ryzen 7000 will also have hybrid memory support.
The story continues with a chart of prices for various models and has links to vendors, too.
Random question: Is your primary computer a desktop or a laptop? I've been laptop-only for the last 15-20 years -- my computing needs have been relatively modest.
AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review: 3D V-Cache Powers a New Gaming Champion
On average at 1080p, the 5800X3D is ~9% faster than the 12900K, which costs 30% more, and ~7% faster than the Core i9-12900KS, which costs a whopping 64% more. That means the Ryzen 7 58000X3D is now both the fastest gaming chip in our test suite and a better value for gaming specifically than the Core i9 models.
Overclocking either of Intel's Core i9 models requires a beefy cooler and robust motherboard. However, despite its much tamer overall power requirements, the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is still ~3% faster than the overclocked 12900K in our cumulative measurement.
[...] AMD's marketing claim is that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is, on average, 15% faster than the Ryzen 9 5900X. The 3D V-Cache doesn't improve performance in all games, so this will vary, but we recorded a 21% increase over the 5900X at 1080p in our test suite, which is incredibly impressive.
The 5800X3D and the 5800X are built from the same basic design, but the X3D model has a 200 MHz lower boost and 400 MHz lower base clock than the 5800X. Despite that limitation, we recorded a massive 28% gain over the 5800X at 1080p, which is impressive. However, overclocking the 5800X3D's [DDR4] memory yielded an average performance increase of only about 1%, which isn't too meaningful.
[...] These results clearly show that the Ryzen 7 5800X3D is a chip designed specifically for gaming, not for leading-edge performance in application workloads. We've highlighted the 5800X3D beating the 12900K in gaming, but we'd be remiss if we didn't mention that the 12900K is 29% faster in single-threaded work and 62% faster in threaded applications. That chasm grows even larger with the Core i9-12900KS.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Barenflimski on Thursday March 17 2022, @03:03AM (2 children)
It would be so nice if there was at least some way to decipher these names to mean "better than this one."
Ryzen 7 5800X3D > Ryzen 9 5900X?
Without benchmark tests, a newb would think the Ryzen 7 was a few iterations behind the Ryzen 9. Usually bigger is better, and 5900 is bigger than 5800. But I suppose if you cube it all you're winning?
And then I'm just sad I spent any time thinking about this. I'll just end up waiting for Black Friday anyhow.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday March 17 2022, @03:15AM (1 child)
The 5900X is likely better, when applications put all 12 cores to good use. Which will almost never be the case for games, where the 5800X3D allegedly has the edge.
This is a product that will require lots of benchmarks to make sense of it. Because there will be some cases of no gains or small regressions, and other cases of ~30% performance uplift (maybe even +80%).
It's likely that the Zen 4 lineup will have more CPUs with 3D cache, if not all. So it could be less confusing.
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(Score: 2, Funny) by Gaaark on Thursday March 17 2022, @10:26AM
MOTD:
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(Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Thursday March 17 2022, @03:52PM (1 child)
looking to upgrade my 5600g to something better, mostly looking to USE pci4 and top ssd to get that super high i/o speed.
if you go with a non apu chip in the 5k series, pci4 is full speed but the G chips run at half for some reason.
no point spending on pci4 and high end ssd with an apu chip.
hoping this gets fixed in the next rev. hoping this is the next rev ;)
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday March 17 2022, @04:39PM
No. If you're looking to keep using an APU on your motherboard, 5700G is the only upgrade and has the same I/O limitations. And I don't think going to 5700G for 8 cores when you already have a 5600G is worth it for most people.
Then there is the recently launched Rembrandt APU. It is implied that it will come to desktop [tomshardware.com] (AM5 socket, new motherboard needed). If it does, it will support PCIe 4.0 SSD speeds:
https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/USB4-1.png [kitguru.net]
https://www.kitguru.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Platform.png [kitguru.net]
With the upcoming Zen 4 desktop CPUs on the AM5 socket (7000-series, Raphael, non-G), you will see PCIe 5.0 support and likely a small amount of graphics cores [videocardz.com]. So if you really don't want to use a discrete GPU and don't care about the graphics performance, that might be a better option. But everything from the CPUs to the platform (new motherboards and DDR5-only) will be expensive.
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