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posted by hubie on Tuesday May 03, @11:41AM   Printer-friendly [Skip to comment(s)]
from the take-a-little-ride-on-the-old-John-Deere dept.

An article about how the Russian military stole farm equipment from a John Deere dealership in the Ukraine, only to find it all remotely disabled when trying to use/sell it on the other side:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/01/europe/russia-farm-vehicles-ukraine-disabled-melitopol-intl/index.html

Russian troops in the occupied city of Melitopol have stolen all the equipment from a farm equipment dealership -- and shipped it to Chechnya, according to a Ukrainian businessman in the area.

But after a journey of more than 700 miles, the thieves were unable to use any of the equipment -- because it had been locked remotely.

Over the past few weeks there's been a growing number of reports of Russian troops stealing farm equipment, grain and even building materials - beyond widespread looting of residences. But the removal of valuable agricultural equipment from a John Deere dealership in Melitopol speaks to an increasingly organized operation, one that even uses Russian military transport as part of the heist.

[...] Other sources in the Melitopol region say theft by Russian military units has extended to grain held in silos, in a region that produces hundreds of thousands of tonnes of crops a year.

Are there other examples like this justifying some sort of limited DRM? How prominent do you think this will be held up as an example in lobbying efforts to justify not passing "Right To Repair" laws?


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Bricking Tractors with Cory Doctorow 15 comments

A while back, retired journalist and octogenarian, Chris Biddle, had an excellent interview with author and digital rights activist Cory Doctorow about digital restrictions. They speak in particular about digital restrictions technologies which have been spread within agricultural equipment through the equipment's firmware. Their conversation starts out with mention of the use of network-connected firmware to brick the tractors which were looted from dealership sales lots in Ukraine by the invading Russian army. Cory gives a detailed overview of the issues hidden away by the mainstream press under the feel-good stories about the incident.

But was the bigger picture more worrying? I speak with Cory Doctorow, author, Guardian journalist with a special interest in protecting human rights in this digital age.

He says that whilst 'kill-switches' used to disable the machinery provide a security benefit, it is possible that widely available 'hacking' technology could also be used to disrupt the world's agricultural infrastructure by those with more sinister motives.

All of which feeds into the Right to Repair cases currently going through the US courts. It is also all about who owns the tractor, who owns data, and who owns the rights to the embedded software?

Deere contends that a customer can never fully own connected machinery because it holds exclusive rights to the software coding.

Some US farmers have attempted to unlock the embedded by purchasing illegal firmware –mostly developed by sophisticated hackers based in Ukraine!

The interview is just under 45 minutes.

Previously:
(2022) New York State Passes First Electronics Right-to-Repair Bill
(2022) John Deere Remotely Disables Farm Equipment Stolen by Russians from Ukraine Dealership
(2022) A Fight Over the Right to Repair Cars Turns Ugly
(2021) Apple and John Deere Shareholder Resolutions Demand They Explain Their Bad Repair Policies
(2021) The FTC is Investigating Why McDonald's McFlurry Machines are "Always Broken"
(2020) Europe Wants a 'Right to Repair' Smartphones and Gadgets
(2019) New Elizabeth Warren Policy Supports "Right to Repair"
(2016) Sweden Wants to Fight Disposable Culture with Tax Breaks for Repairing Old Stuff


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:45AM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:45AM (#1241804)

    -nomsg

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:48AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:48AM (#1241805)

      Found the Russia troll! DRM is winning the war against the antichrist! I'll bet you're a homosexual faggot!

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:40PM (7 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:40PM (#1241833)

        Dood DRM lmao

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 03, @06:51PM (6 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 03, @06:51PM (#1241945) Journal

          To me, "DRM=BAD" is a boring topic.

          I'm much more interested in what we do with it now that it exists which is generally lacking in those posts.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:22PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:22PM (#1242053)

            DRM means that what you buy isn't yours and the vendor can take it back at any time without recourse or compensation. Russia just found out what that means the hard way. We may laugh but it doesn't make DRM less evil just because it hit someone we don't like this time.

            • (Score: 1) by anubi on Tuesday May 03, @11:58PM (3 children)

              by anubi (2828) on Tuesday May 03, @11:58PM (#1242073) Journal

              I guess they will either

              1) Part the stuff out.

              2) Develop their own OS which will not be under control of John Deere.

              The latter will be welcomed by farmers all over the world.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:00AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:00AM (#1242076)

                3) Junk perfectly good stuff for no good reason

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:18AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:18AM (#1242083)

                  Too useful to junk mechanical parts.

                  But the electronics need to be redesigned to remove the stuff that keeps it from working.

                  The Russians are damned good at that.

                  Even in the DOS days, the Russians reversed software to get the trackers out and made it work.

                  Hat tip to +Fravia and +ORC.

                  Your teachings will be remembered.

                  I rank copyright violation right below distributing useful things that compel one to endless servitude.

                  I don't have the right to demand a refund on software that won't work by claiming the right to "fix" it, "rights" granted by the same authority... That is, I can do it.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:04AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:04AM (#1242128)

                  Oh no. Won't somebody please think of those trying to profit from their crusade of mass murder.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @01:23PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @01:23PM (#1242187)

              yeah. just gotta hope you're never on the wrong side of the fence (from jd point of view).
              also hope that your harvest telemetry adds up to the future bets, long or short, people made from paying jd for that data (monetzing user data, 100% organic and made(!) anonymous). if your bumper crop telemetry data doesn't jieve with futures contract maybe you will be declared "on the wrong side of the fence" too, the side the harvester doesn't start on?

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 03, @03:32PM (3 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 03, @03:32PM (#1241892) Journal

      DRM being a tool I don't really feel one way or the other about it directly.

      Like most tools sometimes they can be dangerous and with the universal constant of assholes ruining everything nice for everyone; sometimes they need regulation.

      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by mcgrew on Tuesday May 03, @06:40PM (2 children)

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday May 03, @06:40PM (#1241941) Homepage Journal

        The only one I want in charge or control of any of my tools is ME. If I cut myself with my own knife, it's my own fault unless the knife was deliberately engineered to cut its owner because its manufacturer wanted him cut.

        The hard drive manufacturers are doing the same thing. All of a sudden I couldn't connect a new computer to my Seagate 4TB network drive, which is now a "media streaming device" and not a network drive. I found googling for a fix that it had been done deliberately by Seagate last summer. I suspect that when the Western Digital died, that may have been at the behest of the manufacturer, as well.

        This shit should be a prison time felony.

        --
        Free Martian whores! [mcgrewbooks.com]
        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 03, @06:48PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 03, @06:48PM (#1241943) Journal

          We would need the will as a nation to pass the regulation required to throw people in jail over this.

        • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday May 03, @06:48PM

          by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday May 03, @06:48PM (#1241944)

          Well, there can be a helpful middle ground [reviewgeek.com].

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday May 03, @08:51PM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @08:51PM (#1241990) Journal

      Sometimes even bad tools can be used for good porpoises.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by requerdanos on Tuesday May 03, @11:48AM (7 children)

    by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @11:48AM (#1241806) Journal

    Are there other examples like this justifying some sort of limited DRM?

    One group of people exerting unjust power over another, also unjust, group does not "justify" DRM. It's jerks being jerks to other jerks.

    defectivebydesign.org [defectivebydesign.org]

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by richtopia on Tuesday May 03, @02:58PM (3 children)

      by richtopia (3160) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @02:58PM (#1241880) Homepage Journal

      I would say military applications of DRM are appropriate. I mean literally missiles only being activated with the launch key. Which I suppose predates DRM, so a Physical Rights Management.

      Now, in this example the consumer (the military) specified this protection and owns the key, so maybe it isn't Rights Management but rather protection against unauthorized use. Using the key example, is a house key a rights management technique?

      Not a lawyer. Not a crypto expert.

      • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @08:32PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @08:32PM (#1241976)

        The issue isn't that it's being used here, it's that they had to include it to begin with. If ever there were a justified reason for using DRM, this would be it. But, having every one of these subject to cracking is dangerous. What's to stop Russian cracking of our farm equipment?

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:24AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @12:24AM (#1242085)

          A tool is a tool. Just because it can be misused doesn't mean we avoid it otherwise we'd be living in caves.

          That said, DRM's original intent is for misuse against the consumer/general public which I think is mostly what most people are against that you've kinda also noted in the first part of your sentence.

          However, the second is a bit unnecessary, most things are subject to cracking including a normal physical lock, doesn't mean we want to avoid it.

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @02:48AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @02:48AM (#1242120)

            You're missing the point. If enough of them got locked up, it could damage huge amounts of crops. We had enough trouble when folks from South of the border couldn't sneak in and pick our cross, this could be worse.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by mcgrew on Tuesday May 03, @06:42PM (2 children)

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Tuesday May 03, @06:42PM (#1241942) Homepage Journal

      DRM? How is this Digital RIGHTS management or even digital restrictions management when tractors aren't digital devices? The same goes for cars, DRM shouldn't be legal for this.

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:26PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:26PM (#1242055)

        The same way that banning replacement ink cartridges and water filter cartridges is DRM protected: The software that enforces it is an access control and therefore protected by the DMCA.

      • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday May 04, @12:27AM

        by arslan (3462) on Wednesday May 04, @12:27AM (#1242087)

        A lot of things are being made "smart" via digitizing some of the functions - whether sensible or not. That is a valid digital property, hence has attached rights - regardless if DRM is the right thing to do or not. Just answering your question.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:56AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:56AM (#1241812)

    right to repair means I get full specs, and I can ask anyone to help me fix "the thing".
    remote control means company has remote control capabilities.

    I don't see what the problem is here.
    if I can safely repair "the thing", it means I can turn off remote control capabilities.
    but the company is free to brick "the thing" while being transported by thieves (and then it needs to justify the accusation of thievery to the proper authorities, obviously).

    article doesn't say anything about equipment stolen from owners (i.e. people who bought it and were using it) and then being bricked --- equipment was stolen from dealership. so it's fine (in my mind) if the maker still has control over it.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by requerdanos on Tuesday May 03, @12:03PM (6 children)

      by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @12:03PM (#1241821) Journal

      right to repair means I get full specs, and I can ask anyone to help me fix "the thing".
      remote control means company has remote control capabilities.

      Well, John Deere's DRM means that you don't have permission to repair, as part and parcel of their being able to remotely disable.

      According to a relevant article [dtnpf.com],

      Equipment manufacturers currently will not allow farmers the hardware or software needed to diagnose a problem, much less repair it.

      Right to repair would take away the DRM, which would take away the remote control capability in its current form.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:22PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:22PM (#1241852)

        ok. I agree that what this company is asking for right now is absurd.
        but I fully support their right to use any kind of DRM they want BEFORE "the thing" is purchased. now, and in the future.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:24PM (#1241874)

          The problem is that the remote disable is baked into the guts of the tractor. If it were a removable device, it would be acceptable. Removed upon sale or end of lease.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 03, @03:35PM (1 child)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 03, @03:35PM (#1241893) Journal

        John Deere is definitely a bad actor when it comes to DRM.

        But it is possible for us to separate the application of certain aspects of programming from an asshole company when discussing the DRM, right?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:33PM (#1242057)

          TFA is about DRM being applied by the 'asshole company' in question.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @04:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @04:28PM (#1241909)

        Right to repair would take away the DRM, which would take away the remote control capability in its current form.

        Current Right to repair bills may take it away, but it could be possible to have both - basically require the remote control gets turned over on sale of the equipment. Then the individual farmer would get the same benefit that John Deere currently gets - able to remotely brick their own stuff.

        IOW, require ALL the keys be handed over - the physical door key, the ignition key, the crypto keys that allow access to remote bricking and any part signing keys. It's only framed as an either-or situation because the manufacturer doesn't want to transfer the benefits of DRM in the sale of the product.

      • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday May 04, @12:30AM

        by arslan (3462) on Wednesday May 04, @12:30AM (#1242091)

        Are you sure about that? DRM extends to the physica/mechanial non-digital parts of the thing or just the digital parts?

        If the latter then DRM just means you can't "repair" the digital parts, i.e. the software running; which is probably a good thing as "most" farmers won't really know software development anyway and given there's no certification for programming farmer equipment, general run of the mill programmer could create unforeseen problems.

        Of course DRM is still not a good thing in general due to its original intent.

  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by fraxinus-tree on Tuesday May 03, @11:58AM (5 children)

    by fraxinus-tree (5590) on Tuesday May 03, @11:58AM (#1241815)

    Cracked John Deere firmwares have circulated for years. The irony is, the group that cracked them is from Ukraine.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:42PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:42PM (#1241876)

      That's going to put a damper on Putin's Parade. I hear the Ukrainian farmers are offering free towing to the participants.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @07:39PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @07:39PM (#1241965)

        Ha Ha. You are funny. Go to gulag.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @08:21PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @08:21PM (#1241971)

          Do not pass gulag, do not collect 200 rubles.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:35PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:35PM (#1242058)

            Only a really crappy gulag doesn't supply toilet paper!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:03PM (#1242236)

              No gulag toilet paper, is potato.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:00PM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:00PM (#1241817)

    It is no longer a theory that JD can do a remote disable whenever they need to.

    That seems in clear conflict with the concept of ownership. If you buy and pay for it, then you should have the right to use it. After sale, JD should not be able to remotely disable it. If if feels like a sale, then it's a sale. No amount of creative legal words in the sales contract should defeat this.

    JD not providing the necessary technical means to help fix something that just broke is bad enough, but activelly doing something to break it is a whole 'nuther level of wrong.

    Note that is this case, the equipment appears to have been still owned by JD, to the remote disable is totally ok.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 03, @12:41PM (4 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @12:41PM (#1241834) Homepage Journal

      I'm waiting for the day when a bank robber makes his getaway on a John Deere. California Highway Patrol is helpless to stop the marauding tractor, so JD steps in and bricks the tractor just as it is crushing yet another patrol car. You know, those spikes don't do much when your tires are filled with magic sealant! And, it's tough to do a pit maneuver on a vehicle that outweighs your vehicle by a factor of 10! High speed mayhem on I5, tune in for the helicopter coverage!

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      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 03, @01:09PM (3 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday May 03, @01:09PM (#1241848) Journal

        You may have seen this, but in 2004 a guy in Granby, Colorado [kunc.org], did just that.

        Nothing they tried stopped him. Eventually the vehicle got stuck in a basement after it demolished a building so the driver committed suicide.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:19PM (#1241850)

          Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things. RIP Killdozer.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 03, @01:20PM (1 child)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 03, @01:20PM (#1241851) Homepage Journal

          Yeah, that was one interesting example. Of course, any Ukrainian today could have stopped that machine, with a nice Molotov cocktail. :^)

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:40PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:40PM (#1242061)

            A Javelin would have stopped Killdozer in its tracks.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday May 03, @03:37PM

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Tuesday May 03, @03:37PM (#1241894) Journal

      What rights do they have to it BEFORE it is sold, as is the case here where they were stolen from a dealership?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @05:28PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @05:28PM (#1241922)

      I can disable your car whenever I want to. But then I would get thrown in jail. Don't confuse the ability to do something with the legal right to do it. We all have the ability to do things that we have no legal right to do.

      It does seem creepy that JD took the extra trouble to have the ability to remotely disable things they sell. But here is an example where they were actually able to use that ability both legally and constructively. I imagine this is a useful deterrent to theft in other places as well.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @11:42PM (#1242065)

        Anti-theft is a valid reason for remote bricking capability. The problem is that JD retains it as a unilateral right even after sale.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:05PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:05PM (#1241822)

    Reported the other day that Ukraine missiles hit two small-ish Russian boats in the Black Sea. I looked up the boat type...built in a Russian shipyard, big diesel engines sourced from Caterpillar (USA).

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday May 03, @12:05PM (10 children)

    by looorg (578) on Tuesday May 03, @12:05PM (#1241823)

    So is the tractor "bricked" now forever or can it somehow be unlocked or hacked open? I know the John Deere DRM appears to be a gigantic pain for normal farmers. So I'm not entirely sure here that their horrific DRM is for the win or justified just cause they managed to stop some russian looting expedition. I guess they'll learn and not steal any John Deeres then and instead just loot anything else that isn't nailed down (or is, it just takes a bit more effort).

    Still seems like this war-looting is a classic thing, just look at all the pictures from WWII how people had arms filled with watches etc. Weird that pillaging hasn't gone away, as a motivator, in modern warfare.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:33PM (6 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:33PM (#1241828)

      Using military transport to take heavy machinery or literally tons of grain to sell is quite a step up from soldiers grabbing jewels or art off the walls of a museum.

      • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday May 03, @12:35PM (5 children)

        by looorg (578) on Tuesday May 03, @12:35PM (#1241830)

        Yes and No. It's obviously a difference in scale. But it's not new as a phenomenon. That said if someone steals a John Deere today it's not really comparable to looting some museum of ancient things. One can be replaced, and is replaced daily. The other isn't.

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 03, @12:49PM (4 children)

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 03, @12:49PM (#1241838)

          This goes back way past WWII. Caesar stayed in power (for a while) based on redistribution of his spoils of conquest. I'd bet the tradition extends back long before human history into any organized groups which "make war" on others.

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          • (Score: 3, Informative) by looorg on Tuesday May 03, @06:57PM (3 children)

            by looorg (578) on Tuesday May 03, @06:57PM (#1241950)

            No doubt. Then the spoils of war was part of the pay and reward scheme. One just assumed, wrongly, that that went away sort of when we decided to pay them normal salaries etc. No need for the other "war perks" or whatever. Since it's generally frowned upon these days by western society.

            • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 03, @09:30PM (2 children)

              by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 03, @09:30PM (#1242003)

              I mean, the whole concept of "offensive war" is offensive to Western sensibilities these days. We're training our youth to teabag their conquests instead.

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              • (Score: 2) by looorg on Tuesday May 03, @09:58PM (1 child)

                by looorg (578) on Tuesday May 03, @09:58PM (#1242019)

                Partially true anyway. There doesn't seem to be to many issues with bombing for freedom (or oil or peace or profit or something). At least not initially. It seems it's the the offensive war that fills body-bags that seems offensive, as long as the body-bags are not for enemy corpses in a farfarawayistan then it's tolerable at least for some time.
                Question is if there is a just war anymore and what it would be? Special Operations in Ukraine doesn't seem to be it anyway. Also clearly the various peacekeeping things and bombing for terrorism/freedom was not long on the list. They had their backing for a time but then things turned against them to and it became a 20 year unwinnable slog.

                • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday May 04, @02:01PM

                  by JoeMerchant (3937) on Wednesday May 04, @02:01PM (#1242198)

                  "In the Queen's Navy an officer must always choose the lesser of two weevils..."

                  I think the bombings are perceived as addressing a "greater wrong" and of course, the value of "their lives" is always weighed less than the value of "our lives," so aerial bombings get a major advantage in that calculus - not to mention the jobs that bombs and planes and aircraft carriers generate back home.

                  Hopefully, global instant free video communication will eventually make all lives "our lives."

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 03, @12:46PM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday May 03, @12:46PM (#1241835)

      A tractor is never "bricked forever" - the ECU is a minor expense as compared to the chassis and powertrain. Now, it might take an annoying amount of reverse engineering to retrofit a new brain into the thing, but it is possible.

      Bad car analogy: it is common practice to pluck an engine out of one car, install it in another, and retrofit an aftermarket ECU to avoid the hassle of "fooling" the OEM ECU into working in a new body, possibly with very different intake/exhaust plumbing - possibly including the addition of a turbocharger... There won't be as big of an (existing) market in tractor-combine aftermarket ECU systems - but if this type of manufacturer bricking goes on much more, justified or not, the people holding the chassis and powertrains will have sufficient motivation to make one, and if those things go open source it's going to put a hurt on the likes of John Deere - they might have to actually start offering valuable warranty service to keep people from ripping out the factory ECUs on the day after purchase, the way I put OpenWRT in my router.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:28PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:28PM (#1241875)

        You mean it is possible "in theory."
        In practice, what is the availability of such a bootleg ECU (legal, widespread?) and what is the cost?

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:32PM (#1241827)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:58PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @12:58PM (#1241841)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:07PM (#1241846)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday May 03, @01:13PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday May 03, @01:13PM (#1241849) Journal

    I don't approve of Russians looting Ukraine, but I really don't want any company bricking equipment they've already sold. The practice ought to be prosecuted as felony theft, because they are depriving you of the use of property you have paid for and now own.

    --
    Washington DC delenda est.
  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by SomeGuy on Tuesday May 03, @01:27PM

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Tuesday May 03, @01:27PM (#1241853)

    So this is what Putin meant by "Special Military Operation".

    Special, as in "special ed."

    I'll also just point out that while this one time Digital Restrictions Management did something good, it does not justify its existence. At least 99% of the time what it does is bad. Besides, these "special" Russians will still probably make money from parts.

    I always have to groan when I see a title like "EvilRapeTech saves a baby!" because I know darn well that sort of thing sways a lot of idiots in to thinking whatever tech is suddenly good for them.

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:38PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @01:38PM (#1241855)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:06PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:06PM (#1241869)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:22PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @02:22PM (#1241873)

    Jew Talmud excerpts (the book that calls Christ's mother a whore & a bastard of a roman soldier).

    This WILL be DOWNMOD HIDDEN ("gosh, I wonder by WHOM?" (not)): Yes, even though they are FACTS that JEWS provide from their own texts no less proving they are RACIST, murderous, pedophilic, thieving lying scum from THEIR OWN WRITINGS (you name it disgusting)!

    Know thy ENEMY + who are the REAL "hate speak" & "racis'" assholes that yell "antisemitism" YET THEY ARE NOT SEMITIC @ all in AshkeNAZI/Khazar FAKE JEWS!

    Read below, & judge for YOURSELF (not JEW CNN type MainStreamMedia programming you with their not even 1/2 truth BULLSHIT - it amazes me the METHODS/CONCEPTS they preach to YOU are 'bad' YET jews themselves are FAR MORE GUILTY OF what they preach against than anyone else):

    Yebamoth 98a: "All children of the goy are animals"

    Yebhamoth 11b: "Sexual intercourse with a little girl is permitted if she is three years of age."

    Aboda Sarah 37a: "A Gentile girl who is three years old can be violated."

    Avodah Zarah 36b: "They decreed connection with a heathen child that it should cause defilement by seminal omission so that an Israelite child should not become accustomed to commit PEDERASTY with him. It is therefore to be concluded that a heathen (non jew) girl from the age of 3 + 1 day for inasmuich as she is then capable of the sexual act she likewise defiles by a flux. This is obvious"

    Schulchan Oruch, Orach Chaim 14, 20, 32, 33, 39: "A Jew may do to an Non-JEWESS what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat"

    Avodah Zarah 37a: "R. Joseph said: Come and hear - a maiden aged 3 years and 1 day may be acquired in marriage by a coition (sex) and if her deceased husband's brother cohabits with her she becomes his"

    Szaaloth-Utszabot, The Book of Jore Dia 17: "A Jew should and must make a false oath KALNIDRA (what they recite on entry into day of atonement that for the next 12 months no oath they make to others MATTERS & can be broken) when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

    Schabouth Hag. 6d: "Jews may swear falsely by use of subterfuge wording."

    Nedarim 23b: "He who desires that none of his vows made during the year be valid, let him stand at the beginning of the year and declare, 'Every vow which I may make in the future shall be null'. His vows are then invalid."

    Sanhedrin 59a: "A goy (Gentile) who pries into The Law (Talmud) is guilty of death."

    Yalhut 245c: "Extermination of the Christians is a necessary sacrifice" per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] (one HELL of an INFORMATIVE video that)

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 388: "It is permitted to kill a Jewish denunciator everywhere. It is permitted to kill him even before he denounces."

    Choshem Ha'mishpat 425.50: "Everyone who sheds the blood of the NON-JEW (impious) is as acceptable to God as he who offers a sacrifice to God"

    (Like they said Jesus is in HELL boiling in SHIT (excrement) next below, perhaps, per https://www.brighteon.com/83442414-4300-4360-9ade-b999d9e40ca5 [brighteon.com] & where JEWS literally say "We killed Yeshua and are PROUD of it"? & that's JESUS CHRIST = Yeshua)

    Gittin 57a: "Jesus (Jashua) is in HELL boiling in hot excrement"

    Midrasch Talpioth page 225 L: "The Jew is not permitted to consider the goyim as human beings"

    Choschen Hamm 388, 15: "If it can be proven that someone has given the money of Israelites to the Goyim, a way must be found after prudent consideration to wipe him off the face of the earth."

    Tosefta. Aboda Zara B, 5: "If a goy kills a goy or a Jew, he is responsible; but if a Jew kills a goy, he is NOT responsible."

    Zohar, Vuyshiah 177b: "Jews may cheat Goys over a bill" etc.

    Hadarine 20, B & Schulchan Aruch, Choszem Hamiszpat 34B & Gad. Shas. 2:2: "A Jew may violate but not marry a non-Jewish girl."

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348: "All property of other nations belongs to the Jewish nation, which, consequently, is entitled to seize upon it without any scruples."

    Tosefta, Abda Zara VIII, 5: "How to interpret the word 'robbery.' A goy is forbidden to steal, rob, or take women slaves, etc., from a goy or from a Jew. But a Jew is NOT forbidden to do all this to a goy."

    Mas. Shabbath 32b: "On the house of the Goy one looks as on the fold of cattle"

    Baba Mazia 114b: "The Goyim are not humans. They are beasts"

    Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156: "When a Jew has a Gentile in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same Gentile, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the Gentile shall be ruined. For the property of a Gentile, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it."

    Seph. Jp., 92, 1: "God has given the Jews power over the possessions and blood of all nations."

    Choschen Hamm 266,1: "A Jew may keep anything he finds which belongs to the Akum (Gentile). For he who returns lost property (to Gentiles) sins against the Law by increasing the power of the transgressors of the Law. It is praiseworthy, however, to return lost property if it is done to honor the name of God, namely, if by so doing, Christians will praise the Jews and look upon them as honorable people."

    Baba Necia 114, 6: "The Jews are human beings, but the nations of the world are not human beings but beasts."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Do not save Goyim in danger of death."

    Hilkkoth Akum X1: "Show no mercy to the Goyim."

    Zohar, Toldoth Noah 63b & Simeon Haddarsen, fol. 56-D: "When the Messiah comes every Jew will have 2800 slaves."

    Nidrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L: "Jehovah created the non-Jew in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The non-Jew is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night."

    Schulchan Aruch, Johre Deah, 122: "A Jew is forbidden to drink from a glass of wine which a Gentile has touched, because the touch has made the wine unclean."

    Rosh Hashanah 17a: "Christians who reject the Talmud shall go to HELL and be punished there for all generations"

    In the BRIGHTEON link above, they show Jesus as a MONKEY being pounded by a hammer with nails into a cross mocking him.

    Mas Yevamoth 61b: "All JEWS will have a part in the future world The Goyim at the end of the world will be handed over to the angel DUMA and sent down to hell"

    (AGAIN - Bear in mind that JEWS supplied that material above, not I...)

    * RACIST, megalomaniacal, pedophile, murderous, lying & twisted THIEVES TO THE CORE in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews!

    APK

    P.S.=> All I can say is "EAT SHIT Synagogue of SATAN" per John in REVELATIONS (where he states "those who say they are jews but are not" more or less in stating what they are in Khazar/AshkeNAZI fake jews who follow the above set of rules from their "book of LAW")... apk

  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @04:22PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 03, @04:22PM (#1241906)

    Is it true what CNN reports, that Russians stole John Deere tractors from the Ukraine, sent them to Chechnya and John Deere then bricked them?

    Answer: Yes, in principle. Except it was the Ukrainian army instead of the Russians that stole the tractors, they were sent to their extended family members around the Ukraine instead of Chechnya, and local hackers replaced the control units instead of the tractors being bricked.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 04, @04:54PM (#1242248)

      How else could they tow Russian tanks?

  • (Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Wednesday May 04, @01:54AM (1 child)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Wednesday May 04, @01:54AM (#1242111)

    Vladimir Putin or John Deere.

    • (Score: 2) by fraxinus-tree on Wednesday May 04, @03:34PM

      by fraxinus-tree (5590) on Wednesday May 04, @03:34PM (#1242225)

      It is possible to hack the firmware of JD. With Putin, not so easy.

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