BBC - Could nuclear desalination plants beat water scarcity?
There are communities on every continent running short of water, according to the United Nations. Unfortunately, although our planet is swathed by oceans and seas, only a tiny fraction of Earth's water - about 2.5% - is fresh, and demand for drinking water is projected to exceed supply by trillions of cubic metres by 2030. Desalination plants, which remove the salt from seawater, could help supply the fresh water needed. However, these plants are considered among the most expensive ways of creating drinking water- as they pump large volumes across membranes at high pressure, which is an extremely energy intensive process. One radical solution could be using floating vessels equipped with desalination systems.
Powered by nuclear reactors, these vessels could travel to islands, or coastlines, struck by drought, bringing with them both clean drinking water and power. "You could have them moving around on an intermittent basis, filling up tanks," says Mikal Bøe, chief executive of Core Power, which has come up with design for this type of desalination plant.
It may sound far-fetched but the US Navy has provided desalination services during disasters in the past, with the help of its nuclear-powered ships, while Russia already has a floating nuclear power station designed to potentially power desalination facilities.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @02:44AM (3 children)
Get it safe, clean, too cheap to meter, and you can have all the desalination you want.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DannyB on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:50AM (2 children)
The problem with nuclear fusion is that on cloudy days the solar panels do not collect as much energy from the nuclear fusion.
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(Score: 2) by unauthorized on Wednesday June 22 2022, @07:47AM
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(Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Wednesday June 22 2022, @07:59AM
This is, when you turn the knob to the left of 0, running the reactor in fission mode for a while.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @02:58AM
Fabrication and operation and maintenance of the rigs will have to be fully mechanized for sustainable profit
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:25AM (8 children)
Was browsing Youtube earlier today, ran across some Lake Mead videos. The lake is nearly dead. The Colorado River is dying. The volume of water remaining is a pretty small fraction of what it used to be. The cities and the agriculture that depends on them are soon going to wither.
Either desalination starts soon, or those western cities are going to die.
Not that I really care about any of those cities - the real problem is, where are all those people going to go? Bad enough the migrants from Mexico and the rest of Latin America. Now we have to deal with Californians?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:52AM
Put the nukes in the desert and you won't even risk contaminating anything. But no, gotta save the environment via disposable wind and solar or just burning natural gas.
Don't forget to cut your showers too because that's where all the water is going, peasant.
The dem^h^h aristocrats!
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @05:51AM
Arkansas is more dead, having relied on Fossil water in the Ogala Aquifier. Soon all those Southern Okies will have to trek to California, to get jobs picking produce. Grapes of Wrath, and whatnot.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by FatPhil on Wednesday June 22 2022, @09:20AM
Top tip - don't try and farm in a desert.
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(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @10:12AM (4 children)
You know, this is just bullshit
https://savethecolorado.org/threats/population-growth/ [savethecolorado.org]
1. it's the population, stupid
2. it's the agriculture
3. go back to point 1
The river is not "dying".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorado_River [wikipedia.org]
100% of your water problems are caused by yourselves. Not only you are blocking Colorado River from reaching Mexico in any meaningful fashion, destroying the environment there, but now you are using so much water, that the reservoirs are falling. Why? PEOPLE. And this crisis is not new either. I've heard of this since the 1960s! And it's brought on by lack of regulation.
This problem is like having 100k ticks on a deer and then they are complaining that the deer is dying. Maybe, you know, plan ahead a little instead of acting like those ticks on a deer.
Desalination plants? For where, Arizona? You know, they need water access in the first place. And desalination plants are not going to save you due lack of water management. It's just another way of "how to make money on the sheeple". Manage water access to businesses and farms and other excess users and there will be no issue with "Colorado River dying".
This is aside, but congrats on reaping what you sow?
As for California, it seems it lost mostly the poor and there is net positive migration of the well-off. Must me them taxes? (hint: it's lack of affordable housing)
https://www.ppic.org/blog/whos-leaving-california-and-whos-moving-in/ [ppic.org]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday June 22 2022, @11:23AM (2 children)
"Lack of regulation"? You just said it was "PEOPLE".
That last complaint also ignores that the river has been fully allotted [wikipedia.org] by regulation for a century. Yes, since 1922. Just because a decision is regulated doesn't make it a good one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 23 2022, @04:00AM (1 child)
The allocation doesn't mean much when Federal law says that as long as there is a drought California can claim a larger share and everyone else has to make up the difference.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 23 2022, @04:46AM
Consider what you're saying with that phrase. Conflicting regulation is still regulation.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:31PM
I like how they are also floating!
I'm not opposed to some "futurism" from time to time but to take a nuke plant and add a fucking boat to it and pretend we don't need the fix the so-fucked-it's-on-southpark water rights laws is insane!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:50AM (3 children)
Why not permanent installations instead of vessels making a regular circuit to various coastal locations to fill up water tanks, provide power?
Only Checkov would approve of Nuclear Wessels.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @04:27AM
I was thinking the same. It's much more logical to build a regular offshore rig
(Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday June 22 2022, @06:52AM
That's because you know the shit will hit the fan but you don't know which blade will strike it first.
Meantime nobody gonna give you money for the whole bar roof repair. They will be waiting for the folks covered with shit.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @09:20AM
Because seagoing vessels can just go elsewhere if/when legislated against?
Anti-nuclear-power legislation bought by Russian money is a clear and present danger, it is prudent to be prepared.
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @04:17AM (1 child)
So how much carbon will desalination pump into the atmosphere?
Oh wait, it's military and they do not have to publish those figures and we are using nuclear?
Presumably, climate change is making society sicker with each passing year and thus accelerating our fossil fuel dependency, while giving us a false security using some tiny nuclear for a portion of the equation.
How can they with a straight face tell us that we have net zero by 2050?
Good Luck with that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @09:26AM
Do not worry, your personal carbon will be returned into the soil long before 2050. Or straight into the atmosphere, if you will get lucked out with a nuke.
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @04:41AM (1 child)
Human nature being what it is, nuclear desalination plants only mean more profits to power-structures as they sell you the liquid you need to survive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @05:04AM
Meh, the peasants live like kings now.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Wednesday June 22 2022, @05:29AM (2 children)
Pump it back into the sea? I sure the existing sea life won't have a problem living in a much saltier environment.
I guess you could stuff it with iodine and sell it as table salt.
My ducks are not in a row. I don't know where some of them are, and I'm pretty sure one of them is a turkey.
(Score: 4, Informative) by anotherblackhat on Wednesday June 22 2022, @06:20AM (1 child)
There's about 10^18 tonnes of water in the ocean.
Desalinating a trillion tonnes and putting the salt back into the ocean will raise the salinity by less than one part per million. And even that will go away once the desalinated water flows back into the sea.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @10:19AM
Yeah, except it's not going evenly into the ocean. This is a known issue with these plants.
https://www.keiken-engineering.com/news/brine-disposal-how-efficient-desalination-plants-get-rid-of-toxic-remnant [keiken-engineering.com]
Let's just say these are not exactly great solutions here. If you want to build a 1k km pipe into the ocean, then it will have little effect. Otherwise, it will cause problems if you want to use this for millions of people
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FACT: Exfiltration isn't possible without orders either.
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* THANKS FOR LOSING TO ME yet again, as always for you... try me again? THIS COMES UP AS PROOF (as well as another I have on YOU regarding using sources where YOU contradict yourself - want quotes of that too? ASK!)
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FACT: Exfiltration isn't possible without orders either.
FACT: Orders come from C2 servers!
So YOU LOSE chump... a BETTER ARTICLE than what I used proves it for me!
* THANKS FOR LOSING TO ME yet again, as always for you... try me again? THIS COMES UP AS PROOF (as well as another I have on YOU regarding using sources where YOU contradict yourself - want quotes of that too? ASK!)
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& did I block that in my original posts here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=49835&page=1&cid=1253504#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] on this BOGUS sockpuppet upmodding yourselves shithole website (which also noted FIREWALLS are invaluable here too, per wildcards (or even IP address use, URL domain/subdomain too in many as well))?
YES I DID! I was correct...
& YES, hosts work vs. this threat too stupid!
FACT: hosts files block symbiote C2 servers which is all you really need to do to nullify their communication.
FACT: Exfiltration isn't possible without orders either.
FACT: Orders come from C2 servers!
So YOU LOSE chump... a BETTER ARTICLE than what I used proves it for me!
* THANKS FOR LOSING TO ME yet again, as always for you... try me again? THIS COMES UP AS PROOF (as well as another I have on YOU regarding using sources where YOU contradict yourself - want quotes of that too? ASK!)
HOW ESPECIALLY EMBARASSING FOR YOU with your NO-DOUBT self-upmodded by sockpuppet accounts of YOURSELF too - now that YOU have EGG ON YOUR FACE fucko!
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(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @08:42AM
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& did I block that in my original posts here https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=49835&page=1&cid=1253504#commentwrap [soylentnews.org] on this BOGUS sockpuppet upmodding yourselves shithole website (which also noted FIREWALLS are invaluable here too, per wildcards (or even IP address use, URL domain/subdomain too in many as well))?
YES I DID! I was correct...
& YES, hosts work vs. this threat too stupid!
FACT: hosts files block symbiote C2 servers which is all you really need to do to nullify their communication.
FACT: Exfiltration isn't possible without orders either.
FACT: Orders come from C2 servers!
So YOU LOSE chump... a BETTER ARTICLE than what I used proves it for me!
* THANKS FOR LOSING TO ME yet again, as always for you... try me again? THIS COMES UP AS PROOF (as well as another I have on YOU regarding using sources where YOU contradict yourself - want quotes of that too? ASK!)
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @09:03AM (1 child)
This is why things are going wrong on this rock. We've been mistreating both mother Earth and mother Nature with our behaviour and instead of removing the bad habids that cause all these problems, we just throw in new mechanisms in the situations that will create new problems in the future. But hey, as long as we can keep doing what we're doing, we're ok, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @09:28AM
https://www.vhemt.org/ [vhemt.org]
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(Score: 5, Informative) by bradley13 on Wednesday June 22 2022, @10:57AM (4 children)
As always, these articles seem to totally ignore the elephant in the room. It's not about drinking water. Household usage is a small fraction of the water usage. Most water usage in the West is for agriculture. You just have to raise square miles of water-hungry almond trees in the desert, not to mention rice. California, Utah, New Mexico - basically all of the Western states have farmers raising crops that have no business in a desert.
Those farmers get water for free (in many cases) or for a fraction of the price paid by residential users.
On top of that, water has fundamentally been misallocated. For example, water rights to the Colorado River were set almost a century ago, optimistically based on the flow during several wet years. The numbers are simply wrong - there isn't that much water in the river in normal years, much less during periodic droughts.
The solution is simple, if politically impossible: All consumers pay the same price for water. As soon as big agricultural concerns see their costs rise to something reasonable for a desert, they will change to different crops, or move elsewhere.
Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday June 22 2022, @03:07PM
So much that. I still remember my grandparents when I was kid, conserving water in California. The problem, isn't the people using it, it's the corporations using it.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 22 2022, @05:43PM
Trying to grow lush green grass lawns in the desert doesn't help either.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Hartree on Wednesday June 22 2022, @06:21PM (1 child)
You've hit on the one thing that may be politically harder than building nuclear power plants or long-distance high-tension lines.
These water wars have been going on without respite for over a century in the west and I doubt we'll see much hope in politics. Technical solutions are easier, but still hard because of artificial political barriers. (Example: why keep using spray irrigation when drip irrigation is far more water efficient? Well, because we've always done it that way and if we use less water, we'll get our allocation cut. Welcome to Catch 22).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 23 2022, @04:41AM
You can bet your bottom dollar that if the roles were reversed and California farmers had to cut back so that Colorado farmers could get 'their share' it would have been fixed a century ago.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 23 2022, @12:00PM
In Hunter's Safety they teach you how to make a solar still to win fresh & safe drinking water in survival situations. So why can't they cover over salt pans with clear plastic and collect the condensation in separate vessels? After all, the point of salt pans is to let the water evaporate and leave the salt behind, so why not win twice by collecting the evaporate?
Washington DC delenda est.