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posted by hubie on Saturday July 30 2022, @12:26AM   Printer-friendly
from the I'm-a-Copenhagen-junkie dept.

Two players leverage quantum rules to achieve a seemingly telepathic connection:

A quantum particle can exist in two mutually exclusive conditions at once. For example, a photon can be polarized so that the electric field in it wriggles vertically, horizontally, or both ways at the same time—at least until it's measured. [...] The polarization emerges only with the measurement.

That last bit rankled Albert Einstein, who thought something like a photon's polarization should have a value independent of whether it is measured. He suggested particles might carry "hidden variables" that determine how a two-way state will collapse. However, in 1964, British theorist John Bell found a way to prove experimentally that such hidden variables cannot exist by exploiting a phenomenon known as entanglement.

Two photons can be entangled so that each is in an uncertain both-ways state, but their polarizations are correlated so that if one is horizontal the other must be vertical and vice versa. Probing entanglement is tricky. To do so, Alice and Bob must each have a measuring apparatus. Those devices can be oriented independently, so Alice can test whether her photon is polarized horizontally or vertically, while Bob can cant his detector by an angle. The relative orientation of the detectors affects how much their measurements are correlated.

Bell envisioned Alice and Bob orienting their detectors randomly over many measurements and then comparing the results. If hidden variables determine a photon's polarization, the correlations between Alice's and Bob's measurements can be only so strong. But, he argued, quantum theory allows them to be stronger. Many experiments have seen those stronger correlations and ruled out hidden variables, albeit only statistically over many trials.

[...] Now, Xi-Lin Wang and Hui-Tian Wang, physicists at Nanjing University, and colleagues have made the point more clearly through the Mermin-Peres game. In each round of the game, Alice and Bob share not one, but two pairs of entangled photons on which to make any measurements they like. [...]

If hidden variables predetermine the results of the measurements, Alice and Bob can't win every round [...] and on average, they can win at most eight out of nine rounds.

[...] Generating two pairs of entangled photons simultaneously is impractical, Xi-Lin Wang says. So instead, the experimenters used a single pair of photons that are entangled two ways—through polarization and so-called orbital angular momentum, which determines whether a wavelike photon corkscrews to the right or to the left. The experiment isn't perfect, but Alice and Bob won 93.84% of 1,075,930 rounds, exceeding the 88.89% maximum with hidden variables, the team reports in a study in press at Physical Review Letters.

[...] Xi-Lin Wang says the experiment was meant mainly to show the potential of the team's own favorite technology—photons entangled in both polarization and angular momentum. "We wish to improve the quality of these hyperentangled photons."

arXiv paper: Jia-Min Xu, Yi-Zheng Zhen, Yu-Xiang Yang, et al., Experimental Demonstration of Quantum Pseudotelepathy, arXiv:2206.12042v1 [quant-ph] 24 Jun 2022


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by SomeGuy on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:01AM (8 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:01AM (#1263792)

    So if I close my eyes, all you assholes will all disappear, right?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:21AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:21AM (#1263797)

      The way I understand it, if you cease to exist, your world, from your perspective, ceases to exist along with you.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:27AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:27AM (#1263799)

        Whether or not your essence ( spirit, soul, etc. ) will continue to exist has long been considered by theologians and philosophers, and from what I see, no one has any definitive answer.

        Pascal's Dilemma.

    • (Score: 2) by looorg on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:21AM (2 children)

      by looorg (578) on Saturday July 30 2022, @01:21AM (#1263798)

      As far as I am concerned you are just a figment of my imagination.

      • (Score: 2) by bart9h on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:26AM (1 child)

        by bart9h (767) on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:26AM (#1263867)

        But you have no imagination.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:02AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:02AM (#1263877)

          He seems to have figments of something.

    • (Score: 5, Touché) by legont on Saturday July 30 2022, @02:58AM (1 child)

      by legont (4179) on Saturday July 30 2022, @02:58AM (#1263821)

      True. However, once you open your eyes, you will get another world full with even worse assholes and it will be consistent all the way back to the Big Bang. You, as well as anybody else, would not remember that the world was different.
      What you need to do is to close your eyes and imagine a world without assholes, but I am sure you can't do this for an obvious reason - you are an asshole yourself.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:38PM (#1263947)

        This happens every time you close your eyes, even to blink. The Universe is replaced with one with even greater assholes, it's happening right now I can feel it.

    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Sunday July 31 2022, @12:35AM

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Sunday July 31 2022, @12:35AM (#1263991) Journal

      If you don't measure how many posts are here, then every post here disappears.

      This Post [hobbyfarms.com] has been removed, because it might cause a fence.

      --
      How often should I have my memory checked? I used to know but...
  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday July 30 2022, @02:51AM (7 children)

    by c0lo (156) on Saturday July 30 2022, @02:51AM (#1263818) Journal

    Reality Doesn’t Exist Until You Measure It

    I mean, look, if the answer to "If there's nobody to watch, do bears poop in the woods?" is negative, I'm afraid the bears will all go extinct

    (large grin... only serious)

    --
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
    • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:01AM (4 children)

      by legont (4179) on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:01AM (#1263822)

      Bears do watch aka measure.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:10AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:10AM (#1263827)

        How watches the watchers, tho?

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday July 30 2022, @04:05AM (1 child)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 30 2022, @04:05AM (#1263844) Journal
          Sounds like you can't help but watch.
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:40PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:40PM (#1263948)

            I like to watch [churchofeuthanasia.org]

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:12AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @03:12AM (#1263833)

        The bears aren't you.

    • (Score: 2, Funny) by anubi on Saturday July 30 2022, @09:12AM (1 child)

      by anubi (2828) on Saturday July 30 2022, @09:12AM (#1263874) Journal

      Maybe the bear didn't poop until the hiker stepped in it?

      --
      "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @11:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @11:36AM (#1263891)

        Unpossible, no bear is so full of shit as the wait for Godot to hike would result in. I measured and thus it became reality.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Frosty Piss on Saturday July 30 2022, @04:01AM

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Saturday July 30 2022, @04:01AM (#1263841)

    A quantum particle can exist in two mutually exclusive conditions at once. For example, a photon can be polarized so that the electric field in it wriggles vertically, horizontally, or both ways at the same time—at least until it's measured.

    Sounds like mathematicians masturbating.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday July 30 2022, @05:08AM (2 children)

    by crafoo (6639) on Saturday July 30 2022, @05:08AM (#1263856)

    superposition until there is an interaction

    nothing to do with measurements, specifically, other than measurements must necessarily interact with the quantum field

    nothing to do with "intelligence" looking it's way. all woo bullshit and no real scientist actually talks or thinks like that

    quantum theory allows them to be stronger

    stop with the disingenuous language. A theory doesn't "allow" or disallow anything about reality, ever. It either accurately describes reality or it does not.

    • (Score: 2) by inertnet on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:29AM

      by inertnet (4071) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:29AM (#1263882) Journal

      Right, also:

      A quantum particle can exist in two mutually exclusive conditions at once

      Isn't it that quantum particles can exist in a multitude of states and not just two.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @07:10PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 30 2022, @07:10PM (#1263949)

      The best description of quantum mechanics I read was ironically on a Christian website [landoverbaptist.net].

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by maxwell demon on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:10AM

    by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 30 2022, @06:10AM (#1263864) Journal

    For example, a photon can be polarized so that the electric field in it wriggles vertically, horizontally, or both ways at the same time

    Photons that wriggle horizontally and vertically at the same time are photons with diagonal, circular or elliptic polarization, depending on the phase. That's true in quantum mechanics just the same way as in classical electromagnetic waves. Nothing strange here.

    The quantum strangeness starts only with entanglement, where you get non-local correlations.

    Two photons can be entangled so that each is in an uncertain both-ways state, but their polarizations are correlated so that if one is horizontal the other must be vertical and vice versa.

    Again, wrong. If two photons are (maximally) entangled (the total correlation from the second part only exists with maximal entanglement), then a single photon is not in a superposition state (“both-way state”) but actually unpolarized (that is, they behave as if they had a completely random polarization).

    Many experiments have seen those stronger correlations and ruled out hidden variables,

    Actually they only ruled out local hidden variables.

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    The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:46AM (2 children)

    by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 30 2022, @10:46AM (#1263887)

    To quote Douglas Adams:

    "I only decide about my Universe," continued the man quietly. "My Universe is my eyes and my ears. Anything else is hearsay."
    "But don’t you believe in anything?"
    The man shrugged and picked up his cat.
    "I don’t understand what you mean," he said.
    "You don’t understand that what you decide in this shack of yours affects the lives and fates of millions of people? This is all monstrously wrong!"
    "I don’t know. I’ve never met all these people you speak of. And neither, I suspect, have you. They only exist in words we hear. It is folly to say you know what is happening to other people. Only they know, if they exist. They have their own Universes of their own eyes and ears."
    ...
    "It’s nothing to do with me," he said, "I am not involved with people. The Lord knows I am not a cruel man."
    "Ah!" barked Zarniwoop, "you say 'The Lord'. You believe in something!"
    "My cat," said the man benignly, picking it up and stroking it, "I call him The Lord. I am kind to him."
    "Alright," said Zarniwoop, pressing home his point, "How do you know he exists? How do you know he knows you to be kind, or enjoys what he thinks of as your kindness?"
    "I don’t," said the man with a smile, "I have no idea. It merely pleases me to behave in a certain way to what appears to be a cat. Do you behave any differently?"

    If perception by something is required to determine the state of the universe, there are enough somethings out there capable of perceiving things to establish most of reality.

    --
    The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
    • (Score: 2) by aliks on Sunday July 31 2022, @09:28AM

      by aliks (357) on Sunday July 31 2022, @09:28AM (#1264037)

      Not so fast - its quite hard to talk about quantum mechanics in ordinary English.

      When we are talking about measurement and perception, what we mean is that our experiment (or our particle) is interacting (entangling) with the external world. The key question is why this entanglement does not make much difference in our everyday world.

      No need for sentient organisms peering at dials.

      --
      To err is human, to comment divine
    • (Score: 2) by Sourcery42 on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:37PM

      by Sourcery42 (6400) on Tuesday August 02 2022, @04:37PM (#1264579)

      I thoroughly enjoy Douglas Adams. It might be time for a re-read. Have an upvote. Cats are fun too, as long as Schrodinger stays out of it.

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