The findings suggest that we "resist updating our beliefs" about those we publicly support – even when they commit acts we might find appalling, say researchers.
[...] "Imagine a celebrity or a politician you greatly admire does something you consider deeply immoral and repugnant. Would you stand by them?" said lead author Simon Karg, who conducted the work while at the Cambridge Body, Mind and Behaviour Laboratory.
"We can see that people often keep holding on to a positive character evaluation even when the admired person commits a severe transgression. The more important the person has been to us, the less likely we are willing to change our favourable opinion," Karg said.
Cambridge social psychologist Prof Simone Schnall, the study's senior author, said: "People often use celebrities in the construction of their social identity. A threat to the standing of a public figure can be perceived by fans as a threat to their own self-identity – something we may feel compelled to defend."
[...] "There are numerous examples of celebrities and politicians acting in less than ideal ways without much backlash from devoted partisans. It seems that fervent supporters will readily excuse deplorable actions by their heroes. The question is whether anything can break this spell of commitment," Karg said.
Journal Reference:
Karg, S. T., Lim, M., & Schnall, S. (2022). Followers Forever: Prior Commitment Predicts Post-Scandal Support of a Social Media Celebrity. Social Psychological Bulletin, 17, 1-26. DOI: 10.32872/spb.8283
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @12:26AM
Charismatic bullshitters play to people's vanity.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:39AM (10 children)
Is that why democrats still like HRC?
(Score: 5, Informative) by TheReaperD on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:49AM (8 children)
What are you talking about? We never liked her to start with! Party operatives at the DNC forced her upon us, likely because the Clintons had dirt on all the committee members. It's the GOP that's absolutely obsessed about the woman. Us Dems, when she left the spotlight, our response was 'good riddance!' The GOP: 'Bengazi!', 'Email Server!', 'Pizzagate!' (This last one really floors me. A child prostitution ring in the basement of a Dominos?! [Said basement didn't even exist.] Like HRC would be caught dead in a Dominos!)
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:16AM (1 child)
Are you trying to undermine your own arguments? It wasn't a Dominos it was Comet, and nobody has ever denied that many members of Hillary's inner circle were frequent customers. Regardless of how ridiculous the theory was, lying to try to discredit it has the opposite effect.
As for HRC being over and forgotten, why are CNN pushing for her again? https://mobile.twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1568995475478519813 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2) by TheReaperD on Thursday September 15 2022, @07:45PM
I didn't care enough to look it back up and get all the facts right. It's not like I was going to change the parent poster's mind with a solid, logical argument. Besides, I got the name wrong, so what? What different does that make? It changes none of my points.
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:38AM (5 children)
Well, since the DNC/GOP is fucked, why do they still get 98% of the vote? Fervent fans indeed!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by HiThere on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:31PM (3 children)
Because the system is rigged to favor two parties. Not two particular parties, but two parties. So if you want your vote to count at all, you vote for one of two presented choices. Alternatives have different problems. With Instant Runoff the problem is information overload, but you can vote for the candidate you prefer.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @01:26AM (2 children)
Then people should be more active during the primaries, and regardless of "information overload" they should be instant runoff until one candidate can get his/her 50%. A "none of the above" on the ballot can't hurt either. We need to make life more difficult for the incumbency
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday September 16 2022, @01:27PM (1 child)
Instant Runoff doesn't mean additional rounds of balloting, so that's not a concern. I suppose "none of the above" might, though. But it still seems a good idea.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @10:06PM
The real problem is the animal psychology that "compels" a person to vote along party lines. I figure they just want feel like they belong to the "in crowd", preferred by the alpha. It's still a personal choice, can't pin it on any real external factors. We "rig" the system ourselves, even when just passively following the herd
(Score: 2) by Sourcery42 on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:13PM
Because if you don't vote for a lizard then the wrong lizard might get it. May the best reptile win!
(Score: 4, Insightful) by srobert on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:48PM
I'm registered as a Democrat. If I liked HRC I would have voted for her but I didn't. If the Democratic party can't see fit to nominate a more progressive candidate than that, then they won't be getting my vote in November. I don't like Trump and his ilk and I won't vote for them. But I can endure them until the Democrats remember why FDR won 4 times.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:46AM
Second, there is the converse effect - demonization of someone that the critic doesn't know well. The researchers treated the deploring side as if it were a normal viewpoint. But why should the rest of us do so? Most of the critics would know just the deplorable act, not the positive side of the celebrity and thus operate on incomplete information.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by dwilson98052 on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:10AM (3 children)
...a lot.
Now I know why all the Trumpers can't seem to get their heads out of their asses.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @07:53AM (2 children)
Are they fans of their asses?
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 15 2022, @03:59PM (1 child)
Possibly, but they are definitely BIG fans of a certain ass.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:37PM
I'd tap that ass! [xkcd.com]
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:12AM (1 child)
Despite the soiling of reputation done to the church by misbehaving priests...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by HiThere on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:37PM
I don't know that that's a good fit. Were the individual priests that committed the acts still respected afterwards?
One could construct an argument based around the way the church shielded and protected those immoral priests, but just saying "priests" doesn't do that. It would be like saying "police". Generally is isn't the individual policeman that's respected, but the organization. So the proper cause of lack of respect is the way the organization responds to improper actions by individual policemen.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Thursday September 15 2022, @03:06AM (20 children)
Let's look at the open source community.
Reiser is dead to us. I was willing to believe he couldn't have been that stupid, but once it was crystal clear that he did in fact murder his wife, I was so done with him. Felt embarrassed that I'd ever defended him. He also is exhibit A in why we in the software community are not a breed apart. Curse him for that stain to our reputation.
RMS is a more complicated case. From all I've heard, he hasn't done anything outright criminal, but seems the man does treat women poorly. His behavior is not excusable. His transgressions don't warrant severe punishment, but I don't want him any longer being the face or voice of the libre software movement.
In contrast, MAGA believers excuse almost anything. Sexual assault, sedition, even murder. It's sickening that they actually celebrate the likes of Rittenhouse.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @03:45AM (4 children)
You must have missed the copious amount of evidence that exonerated Rittenhouse, and that little trial where the "victim" Grosskreutz melted under cross-examination and admitted to pointing a gun at him. Rittenhouse is no hero, but his bullets only hit criminal scum for some strange reason. Call it an act of God, or a work of art.
But wait, you couldn't be wrong about da MAGA nahtzees. Your judgment has only been impeccable since you stopped simping for Hans Reiser.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:39PM (3 children)
bzipitidoo was not commenting about Rittenhouse being found not guilty or otherwise. He was commenting on him being put on a pedestal by the MAGAts, as if the killing of other people is a virtue worthy of hero worship.
I've commented about that scenario at length in the past, and I'm not interested in re-hashing that argument. Suffice it to say that I find violence and killing distasteful (even when such measures are warranted) as that (to me) is a failure of civilization, making us no better than wild animals.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @12:44AM
Not hero worship, but his control and trigger discipline were well worth admiration. Any cop attacked like he was would have been spraying bullets everywhere, with significant collateral damage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 17 2022, @05:28PM (1 child)
There is a serious basic difference in the way the two sides see the world. Let me ask you, if KR had been wearing a blue uniform and carrying a badge would you still have looked at his actions the same way?
Those on the "right" have that whole self-sufficiency, do-it-yourself, anti-tyranny, mindset. Look up "badges don't grant extra rights" for some of the more extreme views. By their views, you not only have the right, but the duty to defend yourself and others. Their argument is that if you wouldn't have a problem with a cop doing it, then you shouldn't have a problem with a citizen doing it either. By that view there are far far more police shootings worthy of a murder charge than what KR did. They saw that trial as a political stunt. They were right. There were plausible charges (although he beat those too), but anyone who looked at the videos knew there was no legitimate way to convict him of murder.
They praise KR not for killing two and wounding one, but for his excellent trigger discipline and weapon control. Despite carrying a weapon that could have laid out most of the crowd chasing him, he shot only those three who attacked him with deadly force.
Of course, they also praise him because doing so gets right up the lefties' noses, and they are a bunch of trolls.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday September 19 2022, @06:34PM
Absolutely, 100%. A uniform and badge shouldn't give one the right to ignore the rules of society and civilization.
Yup. And they have that mindset up and until the point where *they* need help. They can also be guilty of the worst tyranny imaginable as long as it's not them being subjected to it.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:20AM
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Reiser5-April-2022 [phoronix.com]
We can make it great again!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Sjolfr on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:22AM (9 children)
Perhaps too many people are binary good-v-evil thinkers? Reiser killed his wife and is paying for it but that doesn't mean that previously supporting his FS had anything to do with it. I think it's appropriate that we discard reiserFS but that's also because there are better options out there. We all must be careful not to overgeneralize ourselves in to thinking that we support evil through layers and layers of separation. I think that most of those generalizations are tricks of perception.
Truth and fact is all we really have to fight against all this BS.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:23AM (8 children)
I couldn't agree more.
Without the significant contributions of Wernher von Braun [wikipedia.org], the US space program would have taken much, much longer than it did. And von Braun was an actual Nazi.
There are many (well, all of us, to some degree) flawed people out there. People do stupid/evil/nasty things all the time. But that doesn't mean that everything they touch must be burned with fire.
Context and perspective are important things too often lost these days. and more's the pity.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:46PM (1 child)
Calling von Braun an actual Nazi is technically correct, and it's like calling someone in the US a Republican or Democrat. You couldn't hold a government job in Germany at that time without being a party member. But it wasn't his ideology. AFAIKT what he was, was a "rocket nerd". He didn't really have much in the way of political opinions. We really did welcome some ideological Nazis into the US government after the war, but many of them ended in the government intelligence services.
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(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @02:44PM
Fair enough. Operation Paperclip [wikipedia.org] brought quite a few unsavory folks into the US and gave them jobs, citizenship and security too.
Was that good or right? For some of those folks and some of the work they did for the US, yes. For some, probably not
Edison was a pretty big scumbag when it came to monetizing the ideas of others, which was reprehensible. But that doesn't take away from the good stuff he did (inventions, evangelizing electrification, etc.) either.
As I said, we're all flawed in one way or another.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:14PM (5 children)
Also, you have to include Dr. Mengeles experiments on Jews/twins/etc that have saved lives around the world.
All that data that couldn't be done by 'non-Nazi's' that was already done: why let it go to waste now that it WAS done.
But as the saying goes (in some sort of way like this): May you never meet your hero: you are sure to be disappointed.
Einstein, for all his great ideas, seems to have a flaw in his theories but is like Galen in that he can do no wrong.... except for fool around on his wife, be an absent father... possibly have errors in his theories.....
We all have flaws and NO ONE should be anothers' 'hero'.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:41PM (2 children)
That's a little reductive, as in most cases we can admire and respect some aspects of a person while not admiring or respecting other aspects.
For example, I do like much of Orson Scott Card's writing and I respect his literary work, but don't much care for his discriminatory ideas about folks that aren't like him.
I'd also note that while I'm not a fan of his personal beliefs about other people [salon.com], he's written some excellent fiction.
How about Eric Clapton? By many accounts he's kind of an asshole. But he sure can play guitar. And I like and respect the latter, but not the former.
Nuance is an important tool that often sits unused. I wish more people would employ it.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:25PM (1 child)
You say you respect them, but you don't say they are 'Heroes'.
Einstein WAS a hero of mine: i did a speech about him in public school (also did one on the Michelson-Morley experiment... yes, i was the autistic nerd in the class).
I thought his theories were golden and untouchable: now i see there are problems and that he is considered untouchable, like Galen was (which put back medicine for centuries).
THE CHURCH was considered like a second God to many people: now the cracks are showing like lines on my face and people are starting to see things for what they are (but too slowly, IMHO).
Nuance is for some things: i find that nuance is not for 'HEROES'. Nuance is for things you 'respect', not worship.
As an aside: if Atlantis did ever exist (which i doubt), i bet it had no organized religion and hero worship, but did have pure science. Imagine how much further we might be if there WAS no 'organized' religion (and that is separate from RELIGION: belief is one thing: cult-like teaching is another.... "Believe as I say, do as I say" is not religion).
Science would negate Galen quickly because Galen was quickly shown to be wrong, but fanatics kept the truth from being known.
Copernicus and Galileo were gagged and the truth was held back by religious leaders for fear it would take away their power.
'Heroes' are to be admired, but are not to be respected and followed without examination.
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(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:11PM
You won't get any argument about that from me.
As the old saw goes, "I'm from Missouri." [thefreedictionary.com]
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by Sjolfr on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:27PM (1 child)
I think "hero" has been distorted in the past decade (possibly due to the popularity of super-hero shows and make-believe). I do agree that we need to be careful of whom we choose, and why, to be our heroes. Right now my daughter is my hero because she's knocking it out of the park in terms of life and adulting. Lots of other folks are genuine heroes every day. True heroism is something that the everyday, flawed, troubled, person can achieve by doing things that inspire others to be better. On the converse side the same everyday, flawed, troubled, person can choose to be an ass-hole or worse.
Nazi medical experiments are an interesting thought exercise. On one hand all of that data was generated as a direct result of forcibly torturing people and discarding them just for the sake of data. On the other hand we still do some of that everyday except that we do so with actual consent and kindness. Medical experiments and surgery come to mind; carving up people to learn how it all works but we use informed consent, proper anesthesia, and skilled healing with actual benefit in mind. Evil isn't really the "what" but rather more about the "how" and "why". At least IMHO.
I, for one, wouldn't go within 10Km of that nazi data. Don't give much of a care of what it has in it. Incinerate it. Yet, a metric ton of the medical data, that we have built solid practices on, came through learning from the mistakes of really terrible episodes in the past.
I guess "hero" isn't something a person is for all time. It's more of what the person did in a moment of time and, hopefully, what they continue to strive to do.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:50PM
Interesting... Captain.
You make some good points: my daughter and my son and my wife and my parents and siblings are my 'heroes' as in I respect the job they've done and are doing.
1. My daughter has done a pretty good job in her life considering the mistakes she almost made. She knows i love her.
2. My son is severely autistic, but with help he has done well: he writes poetry and has said many things which made me think. He knows i love him.
3. My wife is amazing and my son would be worse off without her. She knows...
4. My parents... i wouldn't be doing as well as i am without them and what they have taught me. They know...
5. My sister has had a lot of problems in life (partly because of being so stubborn and having mental health problems) but is doing 'okay' and she knows....
6. My brother is divorced but it seems to be mutual. He has his own business and is doing well and is happy. He knows...
Is anyone my HERO? No. But i totally respect the above. I respect Einstein, but no longer hero-worship him.
Dr. Mengeles data has saved many lives, but yeah, it gives you the 'Red-shirt guy wipes the icky, creepy-feeling thing off his bare hands because he was stupid enough to take off his protective gloves' thoughts and I'm glad i didn't have to deal with it.
I respect what you said! BUT... i think, yeah, heroes are over-promoted and over-stated: now, i respect but do not worship.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:32AM (3 children)
Oh my. Did Rittenhouse actually do something wrong? Immoral? Deplorable? Would you fill us in?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:00PM (2 children)
Yes. He killed 2 people and maimed another. You can argue that what he did was legal (rightly so) and it was only bad people he did it to, but the facts (which no one disputes) are that he killed 2 and maimed another. You may be OK with that, and that's fine. I have a different opinion.
I will also say no more about this.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:07PM (1 child)
I'm glad that you didn't claim that he murdered two people. Maybe you're a bit smarter than the average liberal minded person.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:44PM
He was found not guilty, so not murder.
Not to toot my own horn, but yes, I am quite a bit smarter than the average liberal. I am probably orders of magnitude smarter than the average conservative too.
(That last was a joke. Mostly....)
I'd get scores of 99th percentile in all the aptitude tests in school, and if you asked my classmates who the smartest was they'd point at me. That probably sounds conceited, but those are the facts. Take it as you will.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Mykl on Thursday September 15 2022, @03:33AM (3 children)
- Kevin Spacey
- Johnny Depp (before his exoneration this year)
- Will Smith
And many more. I think that people are very quick to drop a celebrity who has done something immoral. I put politicians in a different camp.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:33PM (2 children)
Not sure if i understand the whole thing, but my thought is Will Smith shouldn't have slapped him: he should have slugged him, and the slug should have been expected...you make fun of someone, you understand there MAY be consequences.
Maybe i'm wrong, but if someone made fun of my wife, they should expect a response...
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(Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday September 16 2022, @03:43AM
For better or worse, some roasting happens at these ceremonies. If you feel you need to respond to words with violence (in any circumstance), then I don't know whether it's possible to have a civil discourse with you about this.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @04:46AM
Will Smith is a broken individual who was cucked by his wife with a young man, humiliated in front of the world on his wife's podcast talk show, and will always live in the shadow of the infamously murdered rapper Tupac Shakur. The threat of divorce hangs over Smith much like the Sword of Damocles.
Smith's feeble slap was not an act of strength. It was an act of profound weakness. Notice in the Zapruder film that he was laughing at Chris Rock's joke seconds before noticing his wife's grimacing expression, and only after seeing her did he go into attack mode. Will Smith is a little bitch and apparently you would emulate his behavior.
As a Cucknadian, you don't even have free speech. Maybe you can convince the government to prosecute the guy who shits all over your wife.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by deimios on Thursday September 15 2022, @03:58AM (2 children)
It's less about the "heroes" and more about your image of them and of the world.
Understanding reality and making a consistent representation (image) of said reality in your mind takes a lot of effort.
So when anything goes against that representation, it contradicts your image of reality and the correction of your image would take a lot of effort, so instead you attempt to minimize the anomaly in a way that it somehow still fits into the current image.
Feelings are the motivation and intellect is the method. So if you feel good about someone your intellect will come up with numerous reasons why that is correct.
People don't like to admit being wrong, so if they chose their "hero", their object of worship, and that "hero" doesn't behave as they expected, then clearly the behavior was misunderstood, since any other explanation would result in admitting to being wrong.
TL;DR; "I chose him and I cannot be wrong, so everyone and everything else is wrong"
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 15 2022, @09:38AM (1 child)
That applies to purchases as well. A Ford guy will probably always be a Ford guy, unless and until Ford really screws him over. Apple people continue to buy Apple products, no matter how much they are screwed. And, there's that old Pepsi vs Coke thing. It takes a lot to get anyone to change their mind about anything.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:38PM
"Cognitive dissonance"
I experience this a lot when observations do not correlate with parental or other trusted prior teachings.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Barenflimski on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:13AM (3 children)
It's not that hard to figure out that people forgive each other, and there is nothing wrong with that.
Everyone does stupid stuff. I know a whole lot of folks I wouldn't want making decisions for me, but I don't hate them for their stupid decisions.
Not forgiving people is cancel culture at its finest.
It's like anything else. You let some line out on folks, and when they get out of control, you real them and let them know they're screwing up.
Everyone need guardrails, love and forgiveness.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Mykl on Thursday September 15 2022, @04:19AM (2 children)
It depends on the nature of the 'transgression'.
I am OK with the idea of forgiving someone for going on a rant, or possibly DUI, or some other stupidity.
I am less inclined to turn the other cheek for someone like Jeffrey Epstein, Roman Polanski or Harvey Weinstein.
(Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:46PM (1 child)
I usually run things past Hanlon's Razor.
( Do not attribute to malice things that can be attributed to ignorance. Not the classic definition, but it's what I will likely do.
Then past Mens Rea. If I cannot detect premeditation, it was carelessness or just plain accident. Some things just happen sometimes.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday September 15 2022, @01:51PM
Maybe, but if it's carelessness, then I'm less likely to trust that they were careful about anything else. Perhaps it depends on what you mean by forgive. For some meanings, I'm quite willing to forgive people, but I'll still update my priors about them.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:25AM (7 children)
Once you demonize someone, are you less likely to forgive and believe nice things about them, even in the face of evidence?
eg. If Trump gave a billion dollars to charity, would DeathMonkey's head asplode?
(Score: 5, Interesting) by weirsbaski on Thursday September 15 2022, @05:55AM (3 children)
I can't speak for DeathMonkey, though I do despise DT. A scenario where DT gave away a billion wouldn't make my head asplode, but it would make me wonder how he's parlaying that to feed his own (sizable) ego.
What would make my head asplode is DT making an honest, expect-nothing-in-return apology about something. Anything. Even as simple as acknowledging that he was rude to someone who didn't deserve it, and is genuinely sorry. You may have to scrape my skull pieces from across the room if that ever happened.
(Score: 1) by Sjolfr on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:36PM (2 children)
Trump, and every other billionaire out there, have each given hundreds of millions of dollars away in their lifetimes. Arguably they've also added trillions of dollars in value to the world we live in. And all it takes to destroy that is a false narrative, perpetuated by eager acolytes, poured in to the ears of the adoring masses. That works on all sides of an issue because most people don't think outside of their box and because most people think that they are not "most people". Yet here we are.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Friday September 16 2022, @03:51AM (1 child)
Talk to me about Trump's charity work. I'd love to hear more.
I challenge you to find something Trump has done that did not (plan to) personally benefit him financially.
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Sunday September 18 2022, @12:43AM
Or was not done using someone else's money...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:02AM (1 child)
If Trump gave $1 to charity DeathMonkey's head would wonderfully spectacularly assplode.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 15 2022, @08:00AM
you mean: .... asssssplode
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Thursday September 15 2022, @06:22PM
I can't say one way or the other, but I do know that I would be thinking "Which alien invader is wearing the Donny tRump suit?"
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 16 2022, @01:11AM (1 child)
I admired aristarchus, worshipped the internets upon which he posted. But then I found out what he did. Oh, boy! Never saw that coming! Needless to say, I still admire him, but just don't hear from him much anymore.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday September 16 2022, @01:51AM