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posted by janrinok on Sunday January 08 2023, @11:24PM   Printer-friendly
from the is-it-live-or-is-it-Auto-Tune? dept.

Dick Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve has become a woke, sanitized shell of its former self. The crowd of rowdy, inebriated locals and tourists is long gone. What you see now is bouncing and screaming for the latest flash-in-the-pan artists while industry veterans like Duran Duran barely elicit a cheer.

Youtuber and music industry veteran Rick Beato recently posted an interesting video on how Auto-Tune has destroyed popular music. Beato quotes from an interview he did with Smashing Pumpkins' Billy Corgan where the latter stated, "AI systems will completely dominate music. The idea of an intuitive artist beating an AI system is going to be very difficult." AI is making inroads into visual art as well, and hackers, artists and others seem to be embracing it with enthusiasm.

AI seems to be everywhere lately, from retrofitting decades old manufacturing operations to online help desk shenanigans to a wearable assistant to helping students cheat. Experts are predicting AI to usher in the next cyber security crisis and the end of programming as we know it.

Will there be a future where AI can and will do everything? Where artists are judged on their talents with a keyboard/mouse instead of a paintbrush or guitar? And what about those of us who will be developing the systems AI uses to produce stuff? Will tomorrow's artist be the programming genius who devises a profound algorithm that can produce stuff faster, or more eye/ear-appealing, where everything is completely computerized and lacking any humanity? Beato makes a good point in his video on auto-tune, that most people don't notice when something has been digitally altered, and quite frankly, they don't care either.

Will the "purists" among us be disparaged and become the new "Boomers"? What do you think?.


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These Students Figured Out their Tests Were Graded by AI -- And The Easy Way to Cheat 41 comments

These Students Figured Out Their Tests Were Graded By Ai — And The Easy Way To Cheat:

On Monday, Dana Simmons came downstairs to find her 12-year-old son, Lazare, in tears. He'd completed the first assignment for his seventh-grade history class on Edgenuity, an online platform for virtual learning. He'd received a 50 out of 100. That wasn't on a practice test — it was his real grade.

[...] At first, Simmons tried to console her son. "I was like well, you know, some teachers grade really harshly at the beginning," said Simmons, who is a history professor herself. Then, Lazare clarified that he'd received his grade less than a second after submitting his answers.

Now, for every short-answer question, Lazare writes two long sentences followed by a disjointed list of keywords — anything that seems relevant to the question.

[...] Apparently, that "word salad" is enough to get a perfect grade on any short-answer question in an Edgenuity test.

Edgenuity didn't respond to repeated requests for comment, but the company's online help center suggests this may be by design. According to the website, answers to certain questions receive 0% if they include no keywords, and 100% if they include at least one. Other questions earn a certain percentage based on the number of keywords included.

[...] Edgenuity offers over 300 online classes for middle and high school students[...].

Of course, short-answer questions aren't the only factor that impacts Edgenuity grades — Lazare's classes require other formats, including multiple-choice questions and single-word inputs. A developer familiar with the platform estimated that short answers make up less than five percent of Edgenuity's course content, and many of the eight students The Verge spoke to for this story confirmed that such tasks were a minority of their work. Still, the tactic has certainly impacted Lazare's class performance — he's now getting 100s on every assignment.


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Alien Dreams: An Emerging Art Scene 9 comments

From Machine Learning @ Berkeley Blog

In recent months there has been a bit of an explosion in the AI generated art scene.

Ever since OpenAI released the weights and code for their CLIP model, various hackers, artists, researchers, and deep learning enthusiasts have figured out how to utilize CLIP as a an effective “natural language steering wheel” for various generative models, allowing artists to create all sorts of interesting visual art merely by inputting some text – a caption, a poem, a lyric, a word – to one of these models.

[The linked story provides about 3 dozen stunning examples of inputs and generated images as well as an extensive links to resources, preprints, and journal articles.--martyb]


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The Next Cybersecurity Crisis: Poisoned AI 26 comments

Machine-learning systems require a huge number of correctly-labeled information samples to start getting good at prediction. What happens when the information is manipulated to poison the data?

For the past decade, artificial intelligence has been used to recognize faces, rate creditworthiness and predict the weather. At the same time, increasingly sophisticated hacks using stealthier methods have escalated. The combination of AI and cybersecurity was inevitable as both fields sought better tools and new uses for their technology. But there's a massive problem that threatens to undermine these efforts and could allow adversaries to bypass digital defenses undetected.

The danger is data poisoning: manipulating the information used to train machines offers a virtually untraceable method to get around AI-powered defenses. Many companies may not be ready to deal with escalating challenges. The global market for AI cybersecurity is already expected to triple by 2028 to $35 billion. Security providers and their clients may have to patch together multiple strategies to keep threats at bay.

[...] In a presentation at the HITCon security conference in Taipei last year, researchers Cheng Shin-ming and Tseng Ming-huei showed that backdoor code could fully bypass defenses by poisoning less than 0.7% of the data submitted to the machine-learning system. Not only does it mean that only a few malicious samples are needed, but it indicates that a machine-learning system can be rendered vulnerable even if it uses only a small amount of unverified open-source data.

[...] To stay safe, companies need to ensure their data is clean, but that means training their systems with fewer examples than they'd get with open source offerings. In machine learning, sample size matters.

Perhaps poisoning is something users do intentionally in an attempt to keep themselves safe?

Originally spotted on The Eponymous Pickle.

Previously
How to Stealthily Poison Neural Network Chips in the Supply Chain


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Adobe Stock Begins Selling AI-Generated Artwork 15 comments

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2022/12/adobe-stock-begins-selling-ai-generated-artwork/

On Monday, Adobe announced that its stock photography service, Adobe Stock, would begin allowing artists to submit AI-generated imagery for sale, Axios reports. The move comes during Adobe's embrace of image synthesis and also during industry-wide efforts to deal with the rapidly growing field of AI artwork in the stock art business, including earlier announcements from Shutterstock and Getty Images.

Submitting AI-generated imagery to Adobe Stock comes with a few restrictions. The artist must own (or have the rights to use) the image, AI-synthesized artwork must be submitted as an illustration (even if photorealistic), and it must be labeled with "Generative AI" in the title.

Further, each AI artwork must adhere to Adobe's new Generative AI Content Guidelines, which require the artist to include a model release for any real person depicted realistically in the artwork. Artworks that incorporate illustrations of people or fictional brands, characters, or properties require a property release that attests the artist owns all necessary rights to license the content to Adobe Stock.
[...]
AI-generated artwork has proven ethically problematic among artists. Some criticized the ability of image synthesis models to reproduce artwork in the styles of living artists, especially since the AI models gained that ability from unauthorized scrapes of websites.


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Stack Overflow Temporarily Bans Answers From OpenAI's ChatGPT Chatbot 6 comments

The Q&A site has been flooded with ChatGPT coding answers that look correct but often aren't, with moderators calling for a halt:

Stack Overflow, a site where developers can ask and answer coding questions, has temporarily banned the use of text generated from ChatGPT, a chatbot released by Open AI last week.

[...] Since launching, it's been prompted in numerous ways, including to write new code and fix coding errors, while the chatbot can ask for more context when a human asks it to resolve coding problems, as OpenAI sets out in examples. But Open AI also notes that ChatGPT sometimes writes "plausible-sounding but incorrect or nonsensical answers."

This appears to be a key cause of its impact on Stack Overflow and its users who are seeking correct answers to coding problems. Additionally, because ChatGPT generates answers so quickly, some users are supplying lots of answers generated by it without parsing them for correctness.

[...] Stack Overflow says that ChatGPT answers have "swamped" its volunteer-based quality curation infrastructure because there are so many poor quality answers pouring in.

So far, Stack Overflow has detected posts generated by ChatGPT in the "thousands". The other problem is that many answers require a detailed analysis by someone with experience in the subject to determine if the answer is bad.

Previously:


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Wearable Reasoner: Towards Enhanced Human Rationality through a Wearable AI Assistant 24 comments

MIT presents the "Wearable Reasoner," a proof-of-concept wearable system capable of analyzing if an argument is stated with supporting evidence or not to prompt people to question and reflect on the justification of their own beliefs and the arguments of others:

In an experimental study, we explored the impact of argumentation mining and explainability of the AI feedback on the user through a verbal statement evaluation task. The results demonstrate that the device with explainable feedback is effective in enhancing rationality by helping users differentiate between statements supported by evidence and those without. When assisted by an AI system with explainable feedback, users significantly consider claims given with reasons or evidence more reasonable than those without. Qualitative interviews demonstrate users' internal processes of reflection and integration of the new information in their judgment and decision making, stating that they were happy to have a second opinion present, and emphasizing the improved evaluation of presented arguments.

Based on recent advances in artificial intelligence (AI), argument mining, and computational linguistics, we envision the possibility of having an AI assistant as a symbiotic counterpart to the biological human brain. As a "second brain," the AI serves as an extended, rational reasoning organ that assists the individual and can teach them to become more rational over time by making them aware of biased and fallacious information through just-in-time feedback. To ensure the transparency of the AI system, and prevent it from becoming an AI "black box,'' it is important for the AI to be able to explain how it generates its classifications. This Explainable AI additionally allows the person to speculate, internalize and learn from the AI system, and prevents an over-reliance on the technology.

https://doi.org/10.1145/3384657.3384799

Will this help the fight against misinformation/disinformation? Originally spotted on The Eponymous Pickle.


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U.S. Steel Looks to Forge High-Tech Future at Mills Both New and Old 10 comments

A cutting-edge U.S. Steel mill in Arkansas is using AI tools in production, but implementing that tech know-how in century-old plants hasn't been easy:

At a U.S. Steel Corp. mill on the Mississippi River, an automated crane lifts and lowers 1,000-degree hot steel coils into open squares, using a machine-learning algorithm to calculate the optimal spot for each coil to quickly cool down before it is shipped off.

This automated steel-coil yard, laid out like a giant chess board, is one of many advanced-technology operations at Big River Steel, a six-year-old plant in Osceola, Ark., that was built with the goal of harnessing cutting-edge tech to save energy, time and money.

When U.S. Steel took full ownership of Big River last year, it also gained the plant's artificial intelligence know-how and was a signal of the 120-year-old manufacturing giant's commitment to advancing technology in its mills. But implementing the type of technology in use at Big River in the steelmaker's other mills, some of which are over 100 years old, has proven a difficult task, according to the company's chief information officer.

[...] U.S. Steel recently began offering digital training to non-IT employees, including machine operators who spend their time on the ground in the mill. Mr. Holliday said U.S. Steel is on track to meet its goal of having 100 employees trained as "digital agents" by the end of 2022.

Related: 'Green Steel': Swedish Company Ships First Batch Made Without Using Coal


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It's the End of Programming as We Know it -- Again 37 comments

As AI assumes more software development work, developers may eventually be working with training models more than they do with coding tools:

Over the past few decades, various movements, paradigms, or technology surges -- whatever you want to call them -- have roiled the software world, promising either to hand a lot of programming grunt work to end users, or automate more of the process. CASE tools, 4GL, object-oriented programming, service oriented architecture, microservices, cloud services, Platform as a Service, serverless computing, low-code, and no-code all have theoretically taken the onerous burdens out of software development. And, potentially, threaten the job security of developers.

Yet, here we are. Software developers are busier than ever, with demand for skills only increasing.

[...] Matt Welsh, CEO and co-founder of Fixie.ai, for one, predicts that "programming will be obsolete" within the next decade or so. "I believe the conventional idea of 'writing a program' is headed for extinction," he predicts in a recent article published by the Association for Computing Machinery. "Indeed, for all but very specialized applications, most software, as we know it, will be replaced by AI systems that are trained rather than programmed."

In situations where one needs a "simple program -- after all, not everything should require a model of hundreds of billions of parameters running on a cluster of GPUs -- those programs will, themselves, be generated by an AI rather than coded by hand," Welsh adds.

Although some of the article delves into businesspeak, it does speculate on what the roles of IT professionals and developers may be in a future where most of the code writing grunt work is done by AI.

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Netflix Stirs Fears by Using AI-Assisted Background Art in Short Anime Film 15 comments

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/netflix-taps-ai-image-synthesis-for-background-art-in-the-dog-and-the-boy/

Over the past year, generative AI has kicked off a wave of existential dread over potential machine-fueled job loss not seen since the advent of the industrial revolution. On Tuesday, Netflix reinvigorated that fear when it debuted a short film called Dog and Boy that utilizes AI image synthesis to help generate its background artwork.

Directed by Ryotaro Makihara, the three-minute animated short follows the story of a boy and his robotic dog through cheerful times, although the story soon takes a dramatic turn toward the post-apocalyptic. Along the way, it includes lush backgrounds apparently created as a collaboration between man and machine, credited to "AI (+Human)" in the end credit sequence.

[...] Netflix and the production company WIT Studio tapped Japanese AI firm Rinna for assistance with generating the images. They did not announce exactly what type of technology Rinna used to generate the artwork, but the process looks similar to a Stable Diffusion-powered "img2img" process than can take an image and transform it based on a written prompt.

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Robots Let ChatGPT Touch the Real World Thanks to Microsoft 15 comments

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/02/robots-let-chatgpt-touch-the-real-world-thanks-to-microsoft/

Last week, Microsoft researchers announced an experimental framework to control robots and drones using the language abilities of ChatGPT, a popular AI language model created by OpenAI. Using natural language commands, ChatGPT can write special code that controls robot movements. A human then views the results and adjusts as necessary until the task gets completed successfully.

The research arrived in a paper titled "ChatGPT for Robotics: Design Principles and Model Abilities," authored by Sai Vemprala, Rogerio Bonatti, Arthur Bucker, and Ashish Kapoor of the Microsoft Autonomous Systems and Robotics Group.

In a demonstration video, Microsoft shows robots—apparently controlled by code written by ChatGPT while following human instructions—using a robot arm to arrange blocks into a Microsoft logo, flying a drone to inspect the contents of a shelf, or finding objects using a robot with vision capabilities.

To get ChatGPT to interface with robotics, the researchers taught ChatGPT a custom robotics API. When given instructions like "pick up the ball," ChatGPT can generate robotics control code just as it would write a poem or complete an essay. After a human inspects and edits the code for accuracy and safety, the human operator can execute the task and evaluate its performance.

In this way, ChatGPT accelerates robotic control programming, but it's not an autonomous system. "We emphasize that the use of ChatGPT for robotics is not a fully automated process," reads the paper, "but rather acts as a tool to augment human capacity."

Tyler Perry Puts $800 Million Studio Expansion on Hold Because of OpenAI's Sora 16 comments

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/02/i-just-dont-see-how-we-survive-tyler-perry-issues-hollywood-warning-over-ai-video-tech/

In an interview with The Hollywood Reporter published Thursday, filmmaker Tyler Perry spoke about his concerns related to the impact of AI video synthesis on entertainment industry jobs. In particular, he revealed that he has suspended a planned $800 million expansion of his production studio after seeing what OpenAI's recently announced AI video generator Sora can do.

"I have been watching AI very closely," Perry said in the interview. "I was in the middle of, and have been planning for the last four years... an $800 million expansion at the studio, which would've increased the backlot a tremendous size—we were adding 12 more soundstages. All of that is currently and indefinitely on hold because of Sora and what I'm seeing. I had gotten word over the last year or so that this was coming, but I had no idea until I saw recently the demonstrations of what it's able to do. It's shocking to me."

[...] "It makes me worry so much about all of the people in the business," he told The Hollywood Reporter. "Because as I was looking at it, I immediately started thinking of everyone in the industry who would be affected by this, including actors and grip and electric and transportation and sound and editors, and looking at this, I'm thinking this will touch every corner of our industry."

You can read the full interview at The Hollywood Reporter

[...] Perry also looks beyond Hollywood and says that it's not just filmmaking that needs to be on alert, and he calls for government action to help retain human employment in the age of AI. "If you look at it across the world, how it's changing so quickly, I'm hoping that there's a whole government approach to help everyone be able to sustain."

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 08 2023, @11:57PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 08 2023, @11:57PM (#1285886)

    If there isn't a Neil Young rant about "AI" in music, I'd wager a small bet that there will be one soon.

    I'm on (what I assume to be) Neil's side. If I can't be there live (too old for the concert scene now), then I'd rather listen to reasonable quality live recordings, mistakes and all. It's humans, some of us get damn good at what we do, but very rarely are we perfect.

    • (Score: 2) by fliptop on Monday January 09 2023, @12:31AM

      by fliptop (1666) on Monday January 09 2023, @12:31AM (#1285891) Journal

      If I can't be there live

      I guess you didn't know [youtube.com] your chance is probably coming very soon?

      --
      Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:41AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:41AM (#1285912)

      Ignoring the idea of deepfaking an entire concert in video form, what happens when you can't tell that an audio recording of some obscure rock band's live performance is actually generated by AI? Like a fake band playing fake songs, or a real band's real songs being imitated. Imperfections and all, including 3D spatial audio for a room that never existed. Do you enjoy music because it sounds good or because it's what you expected?

      It's the new Turing Test. When we reach the point where you can't reliably tell if some piece of art or music was AI generated, you have no leg to stand on and will be turned into a cyborg.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:14AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:14AM (#1285889)

    One has to remember that current "AI" only knows what it's taught. There's no creativity or novelty. All they can produce are essentially remixes of existing works.
    Will "AI" automate the lowest-common-denominator mainstream conveyor belt of popular genres? Possibly. Will they drive truly creative and inventive artists out of the industry? Not for a while yet.

    • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:23AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:23AM (#1285908)

      One has to remember that current "AI" only knows what it's taught. There's no creativity or novelty. All they can produce are essentially remixes of existing works.

      So, pretty much like humans then. Everything you think or say has been done, nothing new under the sun.

      The current "AI" is creating random eldritch combinations that no sane human would ever dream up. If not truly novel, it can still inspire creativity in humans.

      I acknowledge the limitations and that human creativity is going into the application of these tools and curation of their output, but people are just scratching the surface with the current, dumb "AI". Maybe we will never consider it creative, but it could be directed to create something coherent and not clearly derivative of existing styles and works, due to sheer randomness. Possibly requiring an entirely new approach not being taken by the current diffusion models, but not requiring a sentient machine.

      With respect to job elimination, you are right, but it could decimate the number of artists a few times while driving income down. A rat race with global competition will become worse. You can already find alleged artists suicidal over this stuff. Some of them might be trolls, but not all of them.

      • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Monday January 09 2023, @09:52AM (1 child)

        by PiMuNu (3823) on Monday January 09 2023, @09:52AM (#1285935)

        > Everything you think or say has been done, nothing new under the sun.

        Speak for yourself.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:45PM (#1285959)

          Heard that one before, meatbag.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:31PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:31PM (#1285956)

        One has to admit there is some creative force in the universe. Even if it's trial and error, the stuff that "sticks" ends up incredibly complex and ingenious. I guess for me the remarkable thing is that these things are inevitable owing to being the lowest energy arrangement - or somehow trading local low entropy for global high entropy in such a way that it finds a lower energy state. Utterly baffling.

  • (Score: 2) by EvilSS on Monday January 09 2023, @01:20AM

    by EvilSS (1456) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 09 2023, @01:20AM (#1285897)

    The crowd of rowdy, inebriated locals and tourists is long gone. What you see now is bouncing and screaming [youtube.com] for the latest flash-in-the-pan artists while industry veterans like Duran Duran barely elicit a cheer

    Become? You sure you aren't already the new boomer? Because you sure sound like one.

  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by sjames on Monday January 09 2023, @02:29AM (1 child)

    by sjames (2882) on Monday January 09 2023, @02:29AM (#1285909) Journal

    I wasn't glued to the TV by any means, but Duran Duran was the only band I recognized. I got the impression many in the audience hadn't heard of them.

    Personally I can hear autotune most if not all of the time.

    The problem isn't so much AI etc, but the music industry execs. They don't WANT unique great bands that become a force of their own, they want OK, interchangeable, flash in the pan bands they can keep under their thumbs. The other tools just allow them to do it. It may actually make it easier for them to keep control if the band sounds like a bunch of squawking parrots if given a raw mic.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:00PM (#1285962)

      It's the triumph of management. See also science, where protocol and organization have almost entirely replaced the creative, radical act of looking at things with your own eyes.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Monday January 09 2023, @02:32AM (10 children)

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Monday January 09 2023, @02:32AM (#1285910) Journal

    Essentially the same complaint is in a century old rant about player pianos!

    Look, musicians, deal with it. Painters had to turn to impressionism and abstract art when photographic realism absolutely destroyed realism in paintings-- and that happened about 170 years ago now.

    My mother wanted me to be a musician, like herself. But when I was a kid, I heard a marvel. An Apple II computer was able to play any melody you wanted, perfectly, without having to spend hours practicing and years learning an instrument. I realized computers were only going to get better, much, much better, and so they have. Pianos? They're trash compared to an electronic keyboard. Only thing a piano has over a keyboard is that it doesn't take electricity. Pianos go out of tune, and faster if not played regularly. They take huge amounts of space, they're heavy, and expensive, and lacking in the many features a keyboard has.

    As for painting, screw that, I'm skipping right past film cameras to go straight to digital cameras, the GIMP, Inkscape, online libraries of pixel art and images and all that, FreeCAD, LibreOffice Draw, and whatever other graphics tools I know about. No, I have never used Blender, but I hear it's fantastic for animation.

    As for the rest, yes, the AI/Robot Apocalypse will happen. It won't be an apocalypse though, and I think it won't come as fast as the fearmongers fear. It'll be a Good Thing.

    One of the problems is the thinking around copyright. (You didn't think I was not going to take a swipe at (c), did you??) Some artists scream that pirates are robbing them blind. It's a very poor way to look at things. The ability to copy is a tremendous gift, not a problem. It's like complaining that daylight is a problem because light bulb manufacturers don't get as much business. Further, maybe, we shouldn't use artificial lighting at all, or at least, far less than we do. Copyright has a lot of artists and others bamboozled into thinking that a work of art can be owned in the same way a car is owned. Think they have a right to dictate to all others how "their" art shall be used. These complaints about AI are in the same vein.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @02:50AM (#1285913)

      It's legal for an artist to copy another artist's style. They would be looking at references while doing that, possibly hundreds of them. Getting AI models and DreamBooth outlawed would require some hail mary lawyering in front of the Supreme Court.

      Artists are throwing money at groups like the Concept Art Association [torrentfreak.com] in a desperate bid to kill AI art. We'll see how well that works out for them.

    • (Score: 2) by deimios on Monday January 09 2023, @06:12AM (2 children)

      by deimios (201) Subscriber Badge on Monday January 09 2023, @06:12AM (#1285922) Journal

      The purpose of copyright was to assure compensation for creators so that they are encouraged to create more.
      Now it became more about control.
      You cannot stand on the copyrighted shoulder of giants.

      Still we have nothing better right now.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:39PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:39PM (#1285958)

        "The purpose of copyright was to assure compensation for creators "

        So why aren't there more rich musicians and authors?

        The purpose of copyright was to eliminate copycats diluting the revenue stream of publishers
        who bought manuscripts and music rights to create artificial scarcity

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:19PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:19PM (#1285965)

          As a knowledge worker, it's almost impossible for me to get any recurring benefit for the knowledge I create. It is owned by whoever paid my one-time wages. In that respect, the creative industry is better off. When I started I figured I could work hard and get a few patents that would supplement earned income, but really that doesn't happen. Corporations trade licenses to use intellectual property, cutting knowledge workers out of any financial benefit from their work. But I get to wear my own clothes on casual Friday. Yay.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:47PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @12:47PM (#1285961)

      "Pianos? They're trash compared to an electronic keyboard."

      Get back to me when a collection of computers can play as a jazz ensemble
      Improvisation is communication between musicians, not a player piano roll.

      I just watched the 50th anniversary King Crimson documentary.
      There are still bands out there that never sound the same i performance.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:38PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:38PM (#1285967)

        How was the documentary? I watched the trailer for it yesterday and it looks interesting.

        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:24PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:24PM (#1286029)

          Summary:

          Being in King Crimson is as much fun as working for Apple under Steve Jobs

          You are a master of your craft and Fripp is a cruel task master

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:10PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:10PM (#1285964)

      Music's nice and all but I wish they would focus on sex robots. We can eliminate not just the workers, but an entire sex.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:28PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:28PM (#1286032)

        Just remember bro, you can be replaced with a turkey baster and a sperm bank.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @03:17PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @03:17PM (#1286200)

          Somebody gotta clean the turkey baster. I've always got a job.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @08:00AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @08:00AM (#1285931)

    Was the article written with an AI and too little human oversight? Or was the human overseer still brain impaired from the Christmas and New Year parties?

    Will tomorrow's artist be the programming genius who devises a profound algorithm that can produce stuff faster, or more eye/ear-appealing,

    I thought the main idea is that with AI you won't need to be a programming genius to use/abuse it?

    Where artists are judged on their talents with a keyboard/mouse instead of a paintbrush or guitar?

    The last I checked the human "artists" come out with choice keywords and/or samples, then make the AI do the grunt work AND then the humans pick out what they think would be the "winners".

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:00PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:00PM (#1285963)

      "a profound algorithm that can produce stuff faster, or more eye/ear-appealing"

      The analogy is cranking out 70's sitcoms faster.

      People today want something edgy and different.
      They still crank out stories using the basic formulas
      but every author brings personal experience and
      knowledge that can't be bucketed into a weighted
      neural network.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:25PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @01:25PM (#1285966)

        Exactly. And how exactly is AI mimicry robot ever going to do punk? Or scathing, insightful comedy. At best it's going to do shitty rapid fire 1-liners to its own laugh track. At which point it will achieve self-consciousness and nuke itself, What The Fuck Have I Become???

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:30PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @05:30PM (#1286034)

          "it's going to do shitty rapid fire 1-liners"

          someone actually built one.
          it could respond to laughter, or the lack of it
          and change its path through the laugh maze

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @03:13PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @03:13PM (#1286198)

            Groundhog Day for the poor AI.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JustNiz on Monday January 09 2023, @05:24PM

    by JustNiz (1573) on Monday January 09 2023, @05:24PM (#1286027)

    >> Will the "purists" among us be disparaged and become the new "Boomers"? What do you think?.

    I fucking hope so. At least so all the whiney lilttle tards who label everyone a "boomer" just for having a different opinion to theirs finally get some payback.

  • (Score: 2) by sjames on Monday January 09 2023, @05:48PM

    by sjames (2882) on Monday January 09 2023, @05:48PM (#1286037) Journal

    So far, AI art tools need significant human guidance. Otherwise, they produce semi-coherent dream images, delirium, or nightmares. I mean that somewhat literally, the whole thing evolved from experiments in driving neural nets intended for computer vision backwards, which some believe is analogous to human dreams and hallucinations.

    Of course, they will probably improve with time, but the concern is more long therm than it is next week.

    The copyright argument strikes me as disingenuous. It's an attempt to abuse the law to choke off a new technology rather than solve the underlying problems.

  • (Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Monday January 09 2023, @08:09PM (1 child)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday January 09 2023, @08:09PM (#1286065)

    I can't wait to see an "AI" generated move or TV show. When its only feedback input is how many purchase and advertising dollars it rakes in, it is sure to find the most addictive formula possible that applies to the widest group of people.

    Actually, I may have some idea of what that is like already. My downstairs neighbor leaves this weird shit running on her TV. I have no idea if there is video with it, if you aren't listening it just sounds like a TV show or movie, but sometimes she leaves it up so loud I can hear the dialog.

    I won't claim to have any idea what it is, but it sounds like an endless stream of babble, much like what an AI would pump out. Except every other word is "fuck". The genera can change every few minutes, sometimes it can sound like people arguing, other times like laughing party conversations, other times like a comedy, other times like a movie along with dramatic bits of music. Once I think I even heard it reading an instruction manual. But it mixes in the word "fuck" with everything.

    I think she uses this to cover up her conversations on her cell phone. (Which also mostly consists of "fuck", "fucking", "fuck me", and so on)

    The line from whatever this was that really floored me was when it took a sci-fi genera and there was some male voice explaining how to solve some complex technical problem in this long run-on sentence that went nowhere and described nothing specific. When it finished, a sexy female voice jumped in saying "Time's up! Lets fuck!".

    Or is this just what streaming TV is like these days?

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @07:32AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 10 2023, @07:32AM (#1286167)
      Maybe it's some fringe porn.
  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @09:50PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 09 2023, @09:50PM (#1286093)

    Please define 'woke.' Your use here doesn't match up with any definition.

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