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posted by hubie on Friday February 17, @12:36AM   Printer-friendly
from the mark-your-calendars dept.

An asteroid will just miss us in 2029. Scientists are making the most of a rare opportunity:

To be clear: The asteroid is not going to hit us.

There was a while there when it seemed like it could. Suffice to say those were heady days in the asteroid-tracking community. But as of March 2021, NASA has confirmed that there is absolutely zero chance the space rock known as 99942 Apophis will strike this planet for at least 100 years. So, phew. Cross that particular doomsday scenario off the list.

What remains true, however, is that on Friday, April 13, 2029, an asteroid wider than three football fields will pass closer to Earth than anything its size has come in recorded history.

An asteroid strike is a disaster; an asteroid flyby, an opportunity. And Apophis offers one of the best chances science has ever had to learn how the Earth came to be — and how we might one day prevent its destruction.

[...] "We've never seen something that large get that close," said Lance Benner, a principal scientist at JPL.

"Close," in the space world, is a relative term. At its nearest, Apophis will pass roughly 19,000 miles (31,000 kilometers) above Earth's surface. That's about one-10th the distance to the moon.

[...] From the ground, Apophis will resemble a star traversing the night sky, as bright as the constellation Cassiopeia and slower than a satellite. Though it may appear far away for those of us down here, it will in fact be near enough for NASA to reach out and touch it. OSIRIS-REx, a spacecraft currently ferrying home samples from the surface of an asteroid called Bennu, will rendezvous with Apophis in 2029. Shortly after April 13, the craft — by then renamed OSIRIS-APophis EXplorer, or OSIRIS-APEX — will steer toward the asteroid until it is drawn into its orbit, eventually getting close enough to collect a sample from its surface.


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by bloodnok on Friday February 17, @01:49AM (12 children)

    by bloodnok (2578) on Friday February 17, @01:49AM (#1292101)

    an asteroid wider than three football fields...

    Much as I try, I can't help some pedantry. Which 3 football fields is it wider than? Aren't all football fields the same width? Surely that would mean its wider than all football fields.

    I suspect they mean that the diameter is 3 times greater than the length of a football field. And I suspect they don't mean the version of football that is played with feet and a ball.

    How can this be so fucking hard? Everyone knows the unit of length is either olympic size swimming pools, blue whales or elephants. Honestly the standard of journalism these days makes me want to weep.

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    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @03:39AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @03:39AM (#1292113)

      Maybe two Libraries of Congress?

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by captain normal on Friday February 17, @03:40AM (5 children)

      by captain normal (2205) on Friday February 17, @03:40AM (#1292114)

      Damn right, Why can't they just say it's ~300 meters in diameter? And which type of football field? American football has 100 yards by 50 yards (plus 10 yards at dither end for end zones. so say 120 yards long. Futbool (Soccer) fields are 105 meters x 68 meters. Aussie Rules football is just plain weird, "For senior football, the playing field is an oval, typically between 135–185 metres (148–202 yd) long goal-to-goal and 110–155 metres (120–170 yd) wide wing-to-wing. Grounds can vary from long and narrow to almost circular, and are not necessarily symmetrical, depending upon how and where the field was constructed. At least 5 metres (5.5 yd) of space between the boundary line and any fence is required for safety."
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_rules_football_playing_field [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by RS3 on Friday February 17, @05:11AM (2 children)

        by RS3 (6367) on Friday February 17, @05:11AM (#1292126)

        And then you have Canadian football fields at 110 yards (101 m) long X 65 yards (59 m) wide with 18 (16.4592 m) yard end zones.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_football [wikipedia.org]

        I like when they use Statue of Liberty or Empire State building or Burj Khalifa when comparing heights, like in rocket heights for example.

        Speaking of rockets, it'll be interesting if they ever have to try to deflect an asteroid to save earth.

        • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday February 17, @04:29PM (1 child)

          by isostatic (365) on Friday February 17, @04:29PM (#1292184) Journal

          > Speaking of rockets, it'll be interesting if they ever have to try to deflect an asteroid to save earth.

          Yes, the extinction (or aversion of) the human race would probably count as interesting.

          The DART mission was quite positive on the ability to actually do something about it (Assuming the collision is detected with a long enough time window)

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Asteroid_Redirection_Test [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday February 17, @06:17PM

            by RS3 (6367) on Friday February 17, @06:17PM (#1292220)

            > Yes, the extinction (or aversion of) the human race would probably count as interesting.

            That's not what I wrote nor meant. The motivation for such a mission is pretty obvious. The interesting part would (will?) be how humans, globally, would interact, hopefully harmoniously, to achieve the goal.

            We've seen quite a few rocket failures around the world in recent years. Would nations with rockets come up with an international plan to launch several rockets, in case one fails? Would the seriousness of an asteroid deflection mission ramp up the need for better quality control? Would governments and rocket companies open up to people, such as members here, to get involved and help think through the engineering scenarios? Or would it be business as usual "nothing to see here, move along"? I, for one, would like some direct input into such a mission. If I had been involved at Boeing or FAA, MCAS would _never_ have flown (nor Challenger).

      • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Friday February 17, @04:25PM (1 child)

        by isostatic (365) on Friday February 17, @04:25PM (#1292183) Journal

        Only one of your "football" fields hosts a game which where the primary means of the ball is the foot

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Friday February 17, @02:38PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @02:38PM (#1292167) Journal

      I'm not sure why you're trying to get it in units of blood, rocks don't even bleed.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by DannyB on Friday February 17, @03:34PM (1 child)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @03:34PM (#1292174) Journal

      You should be able to understand the measurements because there is a ton[1] of information on this.

      [1]a metric ton of information, not those Imperial units

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    • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday February 18, @08:48PM

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday February 18, @08:48PM (#1292438) Homepage Journal

      I agree completely. What's wrong with meters? To us Americans, that's just a couple inches longer than a yard. A kilometer is a bit over half a mile. It seems ever since everybody got a computer, everything's either measured to a ridiculously precise amount, or measured in football fields and olympic swimming pools.

      Someone please tell the media to grow a brain.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @04:34AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @04:34AM (#1292119)

    From the ground, Apophis will resemble a star traversing the night sky, as bright as the constellation Cassiopeia and slower than a satellite.

    I want to check that out with binoculars if not a telescope. Imagine if it rains that night.

    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday February 17, @06:27PM

      by RS3 (6367) on Friday February 17, @06:27PM (#1292225)

      It would be cool to see live. I barely got to see a comet's tail once. The good news is that over the past 50 or 100 years there's been a big increase in amateur astronomy, telescopes, cameras, live streaming, etc., so there should be plenty of ways to see it if circumstances prevent direct viewing.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Friday February 17, @03:50PM (7 children)

    by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @03:50PM (#1292177) Journal

    I know the text well enough that these things always seem to come to mind instantly . . .

    The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down on the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

    Aren't comets dirty snowballs? If part of a large dirty snowball comes through the atmosphere, yet makes earth impact, wouldn't one unschooled in modern science describe it as hail (frozen) and "fire". I will need to get more creative to explain the "mixed with blood" part. All these dirty snowballs are traveling together with "the big one". (of course, over time might not gravitation attract all of the surrounding dirty snowballs into the central large mass of the big one?)

    The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed.

    The big one hits. Probably in the ocean. The ocean is more of the surface area of the earth, so it is more likely.

    The third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star, blazing like a torch, fell from the sky on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water— the name of the star is Wormwood. [eg, "bitter"] A third of the waters turned bitter, and many people died from the waters that had become bitter.

    After the big one, another big rock breaks up as it enters the atmosphere. It carries some kind of biological contamination that affects all the drinkable water.

    The fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun was struck, a third of the moon, and a third of the stars, so that a third of them turned dark. A third of the day was without light, and also a third of the night.

    A lot of dirt from the ground now in the atmosphere reducing visibility of 1/3 of the sky, or all of the sky by 1/3. Like a mini nuclear winter.

    Now if only I could get paid for writing things like this. But software is more fun to write.

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    • (Score: 2) by turgid on Friday February 17, @04:48PM (2 children)

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @04:48PM (#1292190) Journal

      Apparently "Chernobyl" is Russian for "Wormwood."

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 17, @05:01PM

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @05:01PM (#1292194) Journal

        There are interesting things online, such as: In a dictionary, he showed the Ukrainian word for wormwood, a bitter wild herb used as a tonic in rural Russia: chernobyl.

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      • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday February 18, @09:17PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday February 18, @09:17PM (#1292447) Homepage Journal

        Is there a Russian word that sounds like "donnor party" to English speakers? If so, what does it mean? I need it for the Anglada story.

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    • (Score: 2) by RS3 on Friday February 17, @06:36PM (2 children)

      by RS3 (6367) on Friday February 17, @06:36PM (#1292228)

      You've un-hid your light, out from under the proverbial (not literally Proverbs!) bushel.

      > Now if only I could get paid for writing things like this.

      There are places to potentially get paid for sharing your wisdom and insight. Maybe YouTube, or various teaching / preaching opportunities. Regardless, your treasures and rewards in Heaven will be far greater than gold or other fungible / temporal / fleeting things of this world.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DannyB on Friday February 17, @10:05PM (1 child)

        by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 17, @10:05PM (#1292288) Journal

        While I am a true believer TM, I am so unworthy that I always have to doubt. Encyclopedic knowledge of parts of the text is not enough.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by RS3 on Friday February 17, @10:28PM

          by RS3 (6367) on Friday February 17, @10:28PM (#1292291)

          I'm reminded of a very silly movie's line "we're not worthy". (sorry for the reference, but it was funny in that dumb movie). Nobody is worthy. Not judging, but certainly some are less worthy. (cough cough, something in my throat! (talking about myself)) What did Moses say, something about "Moses said to Yahweh, “O Lord, I am not eloquent, neither before now, nor since you have spoken to your servant; for I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.”" https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Exodus%204%3A10 [biblegateway.com] (Ex. 4:10)

          It just hit me that Moses, being slow of speech, would be a better candidate for God to speak through, rather than someone who has his own thoughts and versions of what people should be doing.

    • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday February 18, @08:59PM

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday February 18, @08:59PM (#1292440) Homepage Journal

      The same Bible says that Jesus will return in three days, and that to God, a thousand years is but a day. So by that reckoning, it's shortly after midnight, and the Bible says that Jesus will come "like a thief in the night". 2120 will still be the wee hours.

      Or 2112 if you're in a rush.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Friday February 17, @06:53PM (2 children)

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Friday February 17, @06:53PM (#1292239)

    Anyone know what is the delta v? How eccentric is the (solar) orbit? I think there are websites for this sort of thing, anyone know?

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @08:51PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 17, @08:51PM (#1292272)

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/99942_Apophis [wikipedia.org]
      Aphelion 1.0993 AU (164.45 Gm)
      Perihelion 0.7461 AU (111.61 Gm)

      So it wanders from just a little further out than Earth almost back to Venus.

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