Motor Trend and probably many other sources report on the recall of all Teslas with FSD, https://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-admits-full-self-driving-crashes-recalls-360000-cars/
On February 15, 2023, the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) posted a notice that Tesla will recall 362,758 of its Model S, Model X, Model 3, and Model Y vehicles—the entirety of its current lineup—from model years ranging between 2016 and 2023, and equipped with the Full Self-Driving Beta software suite. This driver assistance software, which is technically in beta, has been under investigation for years. NHTSA and Tesla have determined that the system "allows a vehicle to exceed speed limits or travel through intersections in an unlawful or unpredictable manner [that] increases the risk of a crash."
At the bottom there is a link to a Tweet by Elon:
Definitely. The word "recall" for an over-the-air software update is anachronistic and just flat wrong!
I remember at least one Soylentil commenting about turning off over-the-air updates from Tesla because they remove features. For the same reason the same owner never took their car to Tesla for service because of the likelihood of updates being applied against their wishes. Not sure if this applies in that case?
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NHTSA's ODI says that in both cases, the model year 2023 Model Ys each required repairs on the production line that involved removing their steering wheels. The wheels were refitted but were only held in place by friction—Tesla workers never replaced the retaining bolt that affixes the steering wheel to the steering column. In 2018, Ford had to recall more than 1.3 million vehicles after an incorrectly sized bolt resulted in a similar problem.
The ODI document states that "sudden separation occurred when the force exerted on the steering wheel overcame the resistance of the friction fit while the vehicles were in motion" and that both incidents occurred while the electric vehicles still had low mileage.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 19, @07:35PM (8 children)
My computers upgrade against my wish (apart from my Linux machines).
My cellphone upgrades against my wish.
I mean I can disable upgrade altogether. But I can't accept one security package for example, and leave out other shit pushed by Microsoft, Google or Apple.
Consumer electronics don't respect their rightful owners' wishes anymore, and haven't done so for a long time now. Why would car manufacturers be anymore respectful?
And of course, as a side note, what business do cars eve have getting OTA updates anyway? They multi-ton machines barrelling down the road that have been certified to do so safely before being put on sale. Nobody should alter their specs willy-nilly after the certification. Just like aircraft.
(Score: 4, Informative) by RamiK on Sunday February 19, @08:57PM (7 children)
I never bothered but you can get a windows server license under $10 over at allkeyshop.com and run Windows Server Update Services [microsoft.com].
I tried finding good guides but best I could come up with that isn't marketing material is this guy from India running through the server 2019 wsus deployment under 10min: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGIS83oA2Tg [youtube.com]
https://www.makeuseof.com/disable-auto-update-android-apps/ [makeuseof.com]
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(Score: 2, Funny) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 19, @09:09PM (6 children)
How about you read the next line before jumping on the keyboard:
(Score: 4, Informative) by RamiK on Sunday February 19, @10:45PM (5 children)
It's in that very same page: https://www.makeuseof.com/disable-auto-update-android-apps/#how-to-disable-auto-updates-for-specific-apps [makeuseof.com]
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 19, @11:01PM (4 children)
I wasn't talking about apps. I was talking about the OS. You can't pick what you want to keep in the OS update packages.
Case in point: a few years ago, Google decided to kill a very useful feature: NFC unlock [betanews.com]. Just like that. No explanation, no asking anyone's opinion. Nevermind people like me who liked the feature, or the cottage industry of companies selling wristbands and rings with NFC transponders to automatically unlock your phone. King Google had spoken, and you have to bow to their wishes.
Well, if you wanted to keep NFC unlock, you had to stop updates altogether. Meaning you lost access to security updates. You either have to accept everything or nothing at all. King Google doesn't give you a choice.
Unlike my Linux box for example that displays a list of packages and I can choose what I will or will not upgrade. For instance, on this laptop, I have to keep a certain version of the Linux kernel because other version fuck up the LCD backlight, and I have to keep a certain version of the Xpra client because the Xpra developer tends to not give a shit about backward compatibility. You can't do that in Android.
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Monday February 20, @01:04AM (3 children)
You don't get much of a choice in base packages when doing a major debian/fedora/arch version update either.
Regardless, AOSP been fairly lean for half a decade now and most of the apps there are replaceable. Like, I believe android 6 or 7 were the last versions not to let you replace webview?
Smart Unlock was an insecure hack:
( https://nelenkov.blogspot.com/2014/12/dissecting-lollipops-smart-lock.html [blogspot.com] )
It's why payment apps use additional 2-factor-auth like pin codes.
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(Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday February 20, @04:09AM (2 children)
I'm fully aware of that. It's not the point.
The point is: why does Google give itself the right to remove stuff I use from my system because it's insecure?
It's my system. I should have the right to run insecure things if I want to. Perhaps I don't have banking apps and I don't do payments with my cellphone, and it doesn't matter one bit that my unlock mechanism isn't secure. Perhaps Android could throw a fit if I do install a banking app and I use that form of unlocking - just like it throws a fit if I install a banking app and I have no form of screen locking at all. But Google shouldn't have the right to decide what I can or cannot run.
You on the other hand seem to have fully internalized that the device that YOU own can be configured by third parties who know better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @06:00AM
Insecure devices are a contagion, a threat to network security
(Score: 2) by RamiK on Monday February 20, @01:34PM
They didn't remove it from your system. They removed it from gapps. It was your manufacturer's decision to include gapps in their firmware and it's your decision to buy those devices and use those gapps features by signing on their license terms when you register an account with your device.
On a more constructive note, if you REALLY want the NFC unlock feature, there's a magisk module that lets you enable NFC scanning on the lock screen: https://github.com/Magisk-Modules-Repo/NfcScreenOff [github.com]
Its code [github.com] suggests it supports a fairly large number of devices ( https://patcher.lapw.at [patcher.lapw.at] downloads a csv listing them ) so can just contact the developer and ask them if something like https://github.com/adrianchifor/TapUnlock [github.com] still works / could be made to work to unlock the screen with an nfc tag and the likes. If it just works, congrats: Just ask them what new device they recommend and buy it. If not, fix up the code / pay someone to fix it up and get yourself a phone that supports it. Mind you, magisk sometimes triggers safetynet so banking and payment apps as well as DRMed apps (netflix) might stop working... But that's the price we pay for owning our devices: Software vendors might be unwilling to run on them.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @07:50PM (12 children)
1 dead, 4 injured after Tesla crashes into firetruck [abc10.com]
The owner is a self-aggrandizing jerk (possibly a plus for premium car brands). In Japan somebody would be impaling themselves with a sword by now, I'm just sayin'...
(Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 19, @07:53PM (9 children)
In fairness, if you own a Tesla and you still trust the self driving feature enough to let it get you in an accident, after the feature being very publicly denounced as not ready for prime-time and the multiple other cases of accidents it caused, you kind of deserve to get hurt.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @08:29PM (7 children)
In fairness, if you own a short skirt and you still trust the police enough to let yourself get raped, after police have been very publicly denounced as not being everywhere and minutes away when seconds matter, you kind of deserve to get raped.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Sunday February 19, @08:37PM (6 children)
What a stupid analogy. People of any gender wearing anything they like without being harrassed is a fundamental right. Napping, reading a newspaper or brushing your teeth behind the wheel isn't.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @08:56PM (2 children)
> People of any gender wearing anything they like without being harrassed is a fundamental right.
So is not being robbed, mugged, stabbed, shot, or any other abusive or destructive thing, but thank you for sharing your fantasy and magical thinking. Here in reality, we deal with things as they actually are. How about this: try walking around in a meat suit on the Serengeti and let us know how that works out for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @12:17AM (1 child)
Your analogy still sucks.
Still trusting the feature named "FSD" as a tesla owner is equivalent to someone deliberately donning a meat suit and deliberately locking themselves in a cage with a famished lion and tossing the key away.
Not being raped, stabbed, or murdered is a right as well. But if you actively solicit "rape, stab, then murder me" then you shouldn't complain about getting what you ask for.
But thanks for playing. How does Elon's dick taste? Musky?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @02:21PM
Wrong.
Trusting the "FSD" feature is sorta like your intelligence level: stupid. But there ain't no law against being a retard.
And Tesla didn't "force" the FSD on you (regardless of what you are wearing). You quite literally had to ask for it. And not only that, it looks like you have to *pay* for it on their website.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ChrisMaple on Monday February 20, @01:46AM (1 child)
There are laws against indecent exposure. Before COVID, and maybe again, there were/are laws against wearing a ski mask into a bank. These laws are justified and proper.l
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @02:18PM
Try looking up the State of Oregon where they allow you to be 100% nude on your own property as long as you aren't "playing with yourself". This caused some serious outrage in a neighboring community because an elderly man would regularly go down to check his mailbox in the nude...and he would always time it so he was getting the mail when the school bus was stopping to pick up children. He wasn't diddling himself or any of the children. Just nude while getting the mail.
Fortunately, my kids aren't in government-controlled education camps where they are forced to think shit like that is normal or to put up with it.
(Score: 3, Funny) by stormreaver on Monday February 20, @08:18PM
Absolutely! A good looking woman should be able to walk anywhere completely naked without be harassed, raped, or threatened. That's a campaign I would sign on for in a heartbeat. Clothing is mandatory for everyone else.
(Score: 2) by WeekendMonkey on Monday February 20, @10:06AM
I don't mind the negligent Tesla driver getting hurt, but what about everyone else caught-up in their stupidity? Should Teslas and other cars using 'self drive' have amber warning lights on the roof?
(Score: 2) by Nuke on Sunday February 19, @08:05PM (1 child)
abc10.com denies me access.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @12:25AM
If only I could be as lucky. It's not like there's anything meaningful on that site anyway.
(Score: 1, Troll) by DadaDoofy on Sunday February 19, @08:16PM (8 children)
Knowing that Musk's takeover of Twitter has left the current administration out for revenge, I wouldn't be surprised if this came down from legal as a strategy to get in front of any potential liability from his "failure to take action".
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @08:24PM
Indeed, they knew all the way back in 2021 that Musk was going to take over Twitter, so they started the investigation back then to throw Jim Jordan off the scent. But you're right, foiled! That crafty Biden! I think they waited this long to implement this recall because they wanted to see if the Tesla crashes were killing more MAGAs than regular people, but it seems that wasn't the case so they had to take action.
(Score: 4, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @12:19AM (6 children)
Biden seems to occupy a super-position of being both demented and addling, while being super crafty and playing 5D chess, all at the same time.
Here, go read this: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/02/fox-news-dominion-lawsuit-trump/673132/ [theatlantic.com]
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @12:34AM (5 children)
Because it's not biden, it's his handlers. The same people who started the war in Ukraine by playing on Putin's stupidity and ego.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Ox0000 on Monday February 20, @12:44AM (4 children)
Please name names. Be as explicit as you can. You clearly know something us plebs do not. Please clearly, and verbosely describe the plot to destroy our "way of living".
Can you also share where this super secretive information, where these dastardly plots are being uncovered and shared? I too want to move up in the world and starting knowing of things that everyone else is too dumb to see.
Who are these handlers? What are their names? Where do they work? What are their e-mail addresses? Don't be lazy and call out some random amorphous organizations or collectives. Give me names, concrete names of concrete people because you seem to know what you're talking about!
Please spell it out because the more people know, the more they can be countered, right? If only everyone had the fortune of knowing what you knew, the world would be such a better place.
So please, lay the entire plot out, I'm here to listen.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by ChrisMaple on Monday February 20, @02:09AM (3 children)
Joe Biden's primary handler is his wife.
The Ukraine disaster is due to weakness in the U.S. Presidency, not due to any diabolical plan by U.S. leadership. The primary characteristic of the Biden administration is incompetence, backed up by corruption, hatred of America, and other standards of leftism.
Destroying our way of living comes from encouraging illegal immigration and providing massive support for illegals already in the country, opposing school choice and encouraging the teaching of false history and science, depleting the military, encouraging racism, inadequate response to the growing dangerous drug problem, massively increasing the money supply, ad infinitum.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @04:07AM (2 children)
> The Ukraine disaster is due to weakness in the U.S. Presidency,
Gee, that's funny, I thought it was because Putin massed troops on the Ukraine border, claiming it was just "maneuvers" or an "exercise"...and then invaded a sovereign country. At which point Putin was surprised that the Ukrainians decided to fight for their land, but Putin doubled down anyway.
I fail to see how the Tribes of Europe doing what they have always done, can be blamed on the USA (presidency or any other aspect of the USA).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @05:16PM (1 child)
AC parent (Tribes of Europe) here -- thanks Mods!!
I was surprised at that first -1 Troll mod, but had my faith restored by the support that followed (currently at +4).
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday February 20, @06:07PM
It is often the case. There will sometimes be somebody who is having a bad day, or who is naturally predisposed to modding stories down for trivial reasons, but the community tends to be self correcting over time. In this case it was somebody who has pretty strong views on the subject and he moderated things as he saw them. There is nothing at all wrong with that and if everybody held the same views it wouldn't be a very entertaining discussion site, now would it?
The important thing is that everybody contributes to the discussion whether they agree with one's own point of view or not. I think you currently have the moderation that your comment deserved. I just wish that the person who modded you down had explained why he views your comment the way that he did.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 19, @08:17PM (4 children)
If the software update is happening only because the NHTSA got involved, then yes, it is a recall. "Recall" doesn't mean you have to physically bring your car into a service station, it means the manufacturer is compelled to fix an issue. There are "voluntary" recalls and forced recalls, but in either case there is a pressing issue that is being addressed.
(Score: 2) by aafcac on Sunday February 19, @10:56PM
It should as that's the best way to know that the fix was applied, but further fixes are somewhat harder to tie to a specific history to the dealer.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Sunday February 19, @11:20PM (2 children)
Your car can also fail roadworthiness, be uninsurable and other things if it is subject to a recall and nothing is done about it.
A recall is not "just an update".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @12:23AM
A recall is not just an update, that is correct.
But an update to the vehicle mandated by the NHTSA or risk all your vehicles losing their road-worthiness cert is a recall nonetheless.
(Score: 2) by Adrian Harvey on Monday February 20, @05:24AM
That may be, but calling it a recall implies actually recalling something physically. It’s almost as confusing as calling your driver assistance package “full self driving”. Poetic justice perhaps?
(Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Monday February 20, @02:14AM (1 child)
Was full-self-driving a paid-for function? If so, do the owners get their money back?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @03:20AM
> Was full-self-driving a paid-for function?
Yes. Initially at low cost, but as newer versions were claimed to work better the price went up.
> If so, do the owners get their money back?
No idea, I haven't read anything either way.
It's possible that the OTA update will address the concerns of the NHTSA--and FSD will still work...but only up to the posted speed limit (etc) which would probably make using it unattractive to most customers (imo). Some sources made that seem possible.
In general, I've heard that Tesla service can be poor, so the chance of getting money back seems unlikely.
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday February 20, @06:08AM (7 children)
Do you think this will be used as a precedent to limit other more common automatons?
For example a simple cruise control can be forced to obey speed limit. Another example is a very useful follow another car feature that many new cars have. Would it have to obey speed limit as well and as such became useless.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Ox0000 on Monday February 20, @03:51PM (3 children)
Can you elaborate as to why adaptive cruise control obeying the speed limit would make it useless? I am having a hard time understanding why adhering (or having to adhere) to the speed limit is such an imposition to you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @05:26PM (2 children)
> I am having a hard time understanding...
Have you spent any time driving on USA interstates or other limited access roads? With very few exceptions, everyone is exceeding the posted speed limit, all the time. Driving *at* the posted limit makes your car a source of irritation to everyone else. This can lead to other follow-on problems when the slow car disrupts the smooth flow of traffic forcing people to change lanes to get around, and so on.
Worst case, I really don't want to be a left lane bandit: https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=left%20lane%20bandit [urbandictionary.com]
(Score: 2) by Ox0000 on Monday February 20, @09:03PM (1 child)
But you're assuming only one car, probably yours, has the speed limiter. If *all* cars have the speed limiter, then this whole class of problem goes away in its entirety because those speeders won't exist. I understand what you say, namely that if delta(you, other_car) is too high, then there is a significant increase in risk to all drivers and that if the human has their foot on the pedal, normalizing behavior happens where everyone starts driving faster. However, the point of posted speed limits is a) for them to be followed (aren't we supposed to be a nation of laws?) and b) to maximize flow-through as analyzed by traffic engineers who are also balancing the risk that comes with moving along in a multi-ton contraption at high velocity.
I am willing to bet real money that (almost all) those speed limits are actually pretty well thought about and not just slapped on with as much thought as a fleeting sentence "yeah, this _feels_ like a 25mph road, just slap that on, fuck it, it's Friday".
If you go at the posted speed limit (and remember, that's the upper boundary), and some idiot chooses to surpass you at an objectively dangerous delta(v1, v2), the solution is not to make everyone's risk increase by telling/letting them "go faster". The solution is to nab the speeder and show them that their freedom stops where someone else's begins. This can be demonstrated to said individual in a variety of ways, fines, community service, withdrawal of driving privileges until a more reasonable level of maturity has been reached, permanent withdrawal of driving privileges, ... I'm just getting started here.
I'm going to assume that you're really targeting the safety aspect here, and are advocating for harsher enforcement and subsequent punishment for speeders. Is that accurate?
Unless, of course, I'm not reading you correctly and instead this truly is just about "I'll go at whatever damn speed I want, and fuck everything and everyone else"... but you sound like a well adjusted human, so I'm going to assume that isn't the case.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21, @04:52AM
Same AC, nice to have a discussion with you.
> If *all* cars have the speed limiter, ...
If you start now and mandate this on all new cars, they will start rolling out in a few years, say 2025. Cars without will be in use for 20+ years, based on how long cars have been lasting recently. In other words, something like this will take a long time to cover the US fleet. If this limit was somehow added to cruise control, my guess is that most people would not use cruise on open interstates and instead use the pedal to go the speed they wanted. Max-speed-limited "smart cruise" would still be useful in stop and go traffic.
> However, the point of posted speed limits is a) for them to be followed ...
Depends on where you are. In many jurisdictions low speed limits are clearly set (and enforced by speed cops) to fund local governments. This corrupt behavior reduces the respect for all gov't rules, not just these corrupt ones. At times this has been so blatant that AAA (auto club) route instructions actually highlight areas of "strict speed limit enforcement". I remember one piece of interstate in W. Virginia that went on for ~10 miles at 45 mph for this exact purpose--after about 5 miles I got bored, drifted up to 55 or so (it was a nearly empty road) and promptly got an expensive ticket.
> I am willing to bet real money that (almost all) those speed limits are actually pretty well thought about and not just slapped on ...
Here's the national overview: https://highways.dot.gov/safety/speed-management/speed-limit-basics [dot.gov]
One of the common rules is to set the limit at the "85 percentile speed", something completely ignored during the era of national 55 mph limits that I've lived through. I'm primarily thinking about interstates because I use them for long distance travel. When I drive 750 miles (multiple 1500 mile round-trips per year) that means ~10 hours each way (plus stops) if I can average 75 mph, and ~11.5 hours if I go the limit (which is 65 for most of this regular trip)--a significant time saving (fyi, smaller car, average about 30 mpg).
I generally move with the left/fast lane traffic which runs ~10 mph over the posted limit. As a guess, I'm probably at more like the 90 percentile speed, passing most in the right lane but rarely passing anyone that is in the fast lane (except the odd left-lane-bandit). I keep an eagle eye on my mirrors and try to move over when someone comes up behind me, to let them continue smoothly at their chosen speed. I'm not distracted by a phone because I don't have one.
In town I'm usually somewhere near the posted limit, because these are (as you suggest) more often posted rationally, at least in my neighborhood.
> and are advocating for harsher enforcement and subsequent punishment for speeders.
Not really. The biggest chunk of accidents are still attributed to drunk/impaired driving, that's where things need to focus imo. Too many drunks can afford lawyers, and (at least around here) it's common to read about drunks, even ones involved in fatal accidents, getting off easy.
A group of friends got together ~25 years ago with a breathalyzer and a good (for the day) driving sim (arcade game). We all learned just how bad our driving gets with more than one drink/hour, and I've never driven with more than one drink in me since then (likely a few times before that, but never since the experiment).
If I was dictator (unlikely!!), I would consider offering a simulator/drinking/breathalyzer session like this as part of driver training--let everyone experience first hand how they degrade with impairment. This could extend to distraction as well (phones, etc). I don't think this can be made mandatory--some fraction of the population get bad simulator sickness, which is debilitating even without being drunk/distracted.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 20, @05:39PM (2 children)
> a simple cruise control
A digital cruise control that also has access to current speed limit information* (via GPS, maps, etc).
ftfy
* One serious problem with this is incorrect speed limit info, for example, slowing for temporary work zones. Don't know about other systems, but our older stand-alone Garmin GPS units (with traffic-delay information) often don't register a lower posted speed when there is construction.
Since work zones are among the most dangerous parts of interstates (for the construction workers!), tracking the work zone speeds really ought to be a hard requirement for any kind of automatic cruise control. But I have no idea how this could be implemented--could local highway maintenance crews somehow be required to upload their locations on a near-continuous basis, with realtime updates to the cars? There is a long history of failed highway systems that relied on infrastructure... Perhaps cameras in cars that "watch" the speed limits signs be required--in which case spoofing becomes the next problem.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by legont on Wednesday February 22, @06:31PM (1 child)
New cars simply read signs these days.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by legont on Sunday February 26, @08:32PM
Hmm, why is it flamebait? Cars do read speed limit signs and report them to drivers. Cars don't need maps and such for that. They do it old fashioned way and they are rather good at it.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.