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posted by hubie on Monday March 13 2023, @09:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the please-don't-sue-us dept.

Last month, Volkswagen garnered plenty of bad publicity when it emerged that the company's connected car service refused to help track a stolen car—with a 2-year-old child still on board—until someone paid to reactivate the service. Now, the automaker says it's very sorry this happened, and it's making its connected vehicle emergency service free to most model-year 2020-2023 Volkswagens.
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Most MY2020 or newer VWs are able to use connected services, apart from MY2020 Passats.

Some additional story details for the click-averse:

As Lake County deputies desperately tried to find a stolen Volkswagen with a toddler still inside, they reached out to Car-Net, a service that lets VW owners track their vehicles.

But the Car-Net trial period had ended, and a representative wanted $150 to restart the service and locate the SUV.

The detective pleaded, explaining the "extremely exigent circumstance," but the representative didn't budge, saying it was company policy, sheriff's office Deputy Chief Christopher Covelli said Friday.

"The detective had to work out getting a credit card number and then call the representative back to pay the $150 and at that time the representative provided the GPS location of the vehicle," Covelli said.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Mykl on Monday March 13 2023, @10:13PM (7 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Monday March 13 2023, @10:13PM (#1295992)

    To me, the problem here was not that Volkswagen were a bunch of assholes trying to squeeze an extra dollar from a crisis. Rather, the problem was that the low-level peon did not have permission to think for themselves under any circumstances and make a call on something like this.

    This is the sort of outcome that a company gets when they lock down their front-line staff and prevent them from having any decision making capability. My guess is that if the staff member involved had any discretion whatsoever then they would've provided the service to the cop.

    • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday March 14 2023, @01:35AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @01:35AM (#1296028)

      >the low-level peon did not have permission to think for themselves

      Peons of all levels don't want to think for themselves.

      Just ask Stanley

      Milgram

      .

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:18AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:18AM (#1296035)
      I'm more curious on whether deactivation/subscription expiry just means
      a) tracking info is still collected but they're no longer giving you access to the tracking info.
      or
      b) there's actually no tracking info being collected - they actually need to reactivate it for the tracking info to resume collection.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by darkfeline on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:39AM (1 child)

      by darkfeline (1030) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:39AM (#1296041) Homepage

      Did they not have permission to think for themselves, or were they unable to think for themselves?

      Hint: you don't need permission to think

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by sjames on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:01PM

        by sjames (2882) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:01PM (#1296127) Journal

        You don't need permission to think, but often you don't have permission to act on those thoughts when they relate to the workplace. This increases stress and drives morale down, of course.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by sjames on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:01AM

      by sjames (2882) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:01AM (#1296054) Journal

      It's even worse in many companies. Not only do the call center people have no discretion, they are specifically isolated from anyone who does. As a customer, you actually cannot get in communication with anyone who has any actual discretion through channels. Your best bet is to hack their PBX or embarrass them on social media.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Tuesday March 14 2023, @10:32AM (1 child)

      by PiMuNu (3823) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @10:32AM (#1296068)

      > did not have permission to think for themselves

      If the child had been seriously injured, I think the peon would have, and should have, suffered a significant fraction of the blame. Appeals to authority are no defence against inhuman acts.

      [Trying not to Godwin this one]

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by sjames on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:05PM

        by sjames (2882) on Tuesday March 14 2023, @07:05PM (#1296128) Journal

        Tell that to people who can only shrug when their kids ask "what's for dinner?" because they made the 'mistake' of thinking while employed.

        If you want to see more thinking in the workplace, support stronger laws protecting employees and/or a stronger social safety net.

  • (Score: 4, Funny) by Mojibake Tengu on Monday March 13 2023, @10:13PM

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Monday March 13 2023, @10:13PM (#1295993) Journal

    Perhaps the toddler should carry a gun to defend itself and the car. I've heard American toddlers using guns before.

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  • (Score: 3, Interesting) by ChrisMaple on Monday March 13 2023, @11:45PM (4 children)

    by ChrisMaple (6964) on Monday March 13 2023, @11:45PM (#1296012)

    You will be charged with being an accessory to a kidnapping. You will spend the rest of your life in prison. Now: Where is the car?

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @03:25AM (#1296037)

      Nice try Mr. Cop, but since I'm in a call center in India and using a "stage name", your threats really don't mean very much.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @02:04PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @02:04PM (#1296082)
      Is "not helping" considered an accessory to a crime? Which law is that?
      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @09:47PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2023, @09:47PM (#1296162)

        Have you not watched Seinfeld? The good Samaritan-law (actually in reality it'd be the Duty to Rescue-law).

        In this case the phone person was not putting themselves in danger and it was an infant that needed to be rescued. Also an officer told them to do it. I'd say pretty much a match for duty to rescue-law to be in effect. Though it doesn't make you exactly an accessory.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2023, @01:31AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2023, @01:31AM (#1296183)

          Seems more like Good Samaritan laws are for protecting those who take action, not compelling them to take action:
          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Samaritan_law [wikipedia.org]
          https://recreation-law.com/2014/05/28/good-samaritan-laws-by-state/ [recreation-law.com]

          Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue#Common_law_system [wikipedia.org]

          In the common law of most English-speaking countries, there is no general duty to come to the rescue of another.[1] Generally, a person cannot be held liable for doing nothing while another person is in peril.

          In an 1898 case, Buch v. Amory Mfg. Co., 69 N.H. 257, 44 A. 809, 1897 N.H. LEXIS 49 (N.H. 1898), the New Hampshire Supreme Court unanimously held that after an eight-year-old boy negligently placed his hand in the defendant's machinery, the boy had no right to be rescued by the defendant. Beyond that, the trespassing boy could be held liable for damages to the defendant's machine.[54]

          In the 1907 case People v. Beardsley, Beardsley's mistress, Blanche Burns, passed out after overdosing on morphine. Rather than seek medical attention, Beardsley instead had a friend hide her in the basement, and Burns died a few hours later. Beardsley was tried and convicted of manslaughter for his negligence. However, his conviction was reversed by the Supreme Court of Michigan saying that Beardsley had no legal obligation to her.

          Some states such as Minnesota, Vermont, and Rhode Island make it a misdemeanor offence if it is known that someone is in serious danger and someone can intervene safely or call 911 and they do not.[55]

  • (Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2023, @12:16AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 15 2023, @12:16AM (#1296173) Journal

    The parents should have bought their late model infant with built-in GPS, along with a full suite of diagnostic software. Here they are, trying to blame Volkswagen for their own negligence!

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