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posted by janrinok on Wednesday March 29, @05:10PM   Printer-friendly

With new detection, officials warn of spring and summer transmission risks:

Health officials in New York have once again detected poliovirus in wastewater from Rockland County, where a case of paralytic polio occurred last summer.

Wastewater samples from Rockland and several nearby counties were positive for poliovirus for months after the initial case was reported in July, suggesting widespread circulation of the virus in the region.

So far this year, officials have only detected poliovirus in one sample, which was collected from Rockland in February. Two samples from the county taken during March were negative. Before the detection in February, the last positive sample from the region was found in mid-December in Orange County, just north of Rockland. The last positive detection in Rockland was in October.

While the data doesn't suggest that poliovirus is again circulating widely in the region, health officials are wary that the virus could easily restart. Rockland has one of the lower vaccination rates in the state; as of August, only 60.34 percent of 2-year-olds in the county were up to date on their polio vaccinations. Some areas of the county have rates in the 50s.

Officials are concerned about the potential for international spread of polio to Rockland's sizable Jewish community during upcoming holiday travel.

[...] Officials continue pushing for vaccination in parts of the county where anti-vaccine sentiments are high. They're offering free polio boosters at walk-in clinics, working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to audit vaccination coverage at day cares and schools, and trying to improve vaccination messaging.

"It is our obligation to protect all our residents from these debilitating and potentially fatal diseases. The law requiring childhood vaccinations has been in place for many years for this very reason," County Executive Ed Day said. "I urge our residents to act now and protect yourselves, your family, and your community."


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  • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @05:25PM (23 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @05:25PM (#1298666)

    This is the natural consequence of letting in millions of 3rd-world people, bringing in their 3rd-world diseases.

    • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @05:34PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @05:34PM (#1298668)

      It's one of the too many strong reasons to do better border control- to thoroughly test immigrants for diseases that we (USA, or whoever) thought we had wiped out, and have little to no defense against. Just like the Maya, Inca, Aztec, etc., when the Spanish came in droves with their diseases.

      • (Score: 5, Informative) by pTamok on Wednesday March 29, @05:49PM (1 child)

        by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday March 29, @05:49PM (#1298676)

        There's plenty of defences:

        1) 2 types of vaccine - weakened virus, given by mouth, and inactivated virus, by injection.
        2) Most transmission is by the fecal-oral route, so good public health and sanitation, including hand hygiene, and good hygiene around meal preparation will stop most transmission.

        Of course, if you can't be bothered to use the defences, more infections can be expected.

        • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @09:28PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @09:28PM (#1298713)

          I recently worked in a food factory. Everything USDA organic- NO preservatives. So you'd think cleanliness was tantamount to everything. For the most part things were kept pretty clean. Most of the workers were "Mexican" (could have been from anywhere south of US-Mexico border). One bathroom was for offices and production workers were not supposed to use it. Some colleagues' offices were very near said bathroom, and they'd take note of production workers using office staff's bathroom. It was very easy to tell that most of them did NOT wash their hands. Sometimes did not even flush. It occasionally got even worse but no need for details here.

          TBF, they were supposed to wash / scrub before re-entering production area, but I seriously doubt they did- I never saw any of them washing up. They did sometimes wear gloves, especially if they were in any kind of contact with empty food containers or batching / mixing / filling operations. Empty food containers were inverted and hit with strong steam before being filled.

          Not all Hispanics were unsanitary, and not all gringos were sanitary, but the majorities were as above.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by turgid on Wednesday March 29, @05:47PM (12 children)

      by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 29, @05:47PM (#1298673) Journal

      No, it's the natural consequence of anti-vaxxers and their paranoid delusions ruining the last 60+ years of progress for the rest of us,

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @07:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @07:47PM (#1298700)

        Don't forget the CIA: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(14)60900-4/fulltext [thelancet.com]

        On May 2, 2011, President Barack Obama announced that the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) had located and killed Osama Bin Laden. The agency organised a fake hepatitis vaccination campaign in Abottabad, Pakistan, in a bid to obtain DNA from the children of Bin Laden, to confirm the presence of the family in a compound and sanction the rollout of a risky and extensive operation. Release of this information has had a disastrous effect on worldwide eradication of infectious diseases, especially polio.

        https://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/jul/11/cia-fake-vaccinations-osama-bin-ladens-dna [theguardian.com]
        https://www.npr.org/2021/09/06/1034631928/the-cias-hunt-for-bin-laden-has-had-lasting-repercussions-for-ngos-in-pakistan [npr.org]

        Can someone remind me of the good things the CIA does? As in the CIA makes things better for the average US citizen more than it makes things worse?

      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @08:01PM (8 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @08:01PM (#1298704)

        Polio was eradicated from the Americas by 1992. You don't need vaccines against diseases that no longer exist in a population.

        Unfortunately, because of the open borders policy and the lack of proper testing of incoming immigrants, it was brought back into this country.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Wednesday March 29, @08:19PM (7 children)

          by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 29, @08:19PM (#1298706) Journal

          Unfortunately, because of human greed, vaccination was limited by geography.

          • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @09:30PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @09:30PM (#1298714)

            Why TF should I, as a lifelong US citizen, get a vaccine for a disease that was wiped out in the USA? Oh, there are NO possible side-effects from the vaccine? Well alright alright alright then.

            • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Mykl on Wednesday March 29, @10:00PM (5 children)

              by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday March 29, @10:00PM (#1298720)

              So that you can travel overseas without the fear of contracting it and bringing it back to your family?

              Or so that your buddy, who has been told to head overseas to check on his company's supplier systems for compliance, doesn't bring it back?

              More to the point, the US needs to continue to fund vaccinations for 3rd World countries. This is to ensure that said 3rd World Country remains friendly with the US rather than the next country to offer vaccinations to it (e.g. China). If the US turns its back on the world, China and Russia are only too happy to step in and make friends with everyone else. What does that do for US influence?

              • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @10:22PM (4 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @10:22PM (#1298722)

                So that you can travel overseas without the fear of contracting it and bringing it back to your family?

                I'm sure you meant well, but this "thinking" is the absolute core of so many of today's problems. You took what I wrote and the scenario of it, changed it up, then refuted your construction as if that's what I wrote.

                For anyone traveling overseas, it's a very different scenario, right? I didn't address US citizens' travel at all.

                I'm generally talking about better border control and security. Do you know what you have to do to bring a pet into the US, from anywhere?

                I generally like and agree with what you said about the US helping other countries. I've always felt strongly about it, but we still need good efficient disease testing. We can't force other countries to eradicate diseases like TB, typhoid, plague, etc. But we need to do our best to keep ourselves disease-free.

                I would support some kind of treaty with other countries who have determined to, and succeeded in eradicating those diseases. Said agreements would need to include that all agreement countries would test people coming into their countries (returning citizens, visitors, or immigrants). The purpose of the agreements would be to minimize unnecessary testing.

                • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @10:48PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @10:48PM (#1298725)

                  Don't forget to thank Brandon, and his 'surge the border' speech, for encouraging millions to swarm the border. There are literally dozens of diseases making appearances in the US as a result of unscreened illegal alien invaders.

                • (Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Wednesday March 29, @10:51PM (2 children)

                  But we need to do our best to keep ourselves disease-free.

                  I agree. I'm old and I've never had pertussis, polio, measles, chicken pox, diphtheria, rubella or smallpox.

                  Why is that? Because I received vaccinations (with the exception of smallpox) for them, as did most of the folks in my generation (early GenX).

                  Bring me a hot illegal immigrant with polio and I'll happily buy frisbees [thoughtcatalog.com] with her.

                  And that goes for all the other infectious diseases for which I've been vaccinated. And since I'm vaccinated for those diseases, I don't have to worry about getting such a disease myself. What's bad with that?

                  I'd say that regardless of border security since tens of millions of people [trade.gov] [PDF] come to the US every year completely legally, getting vaccinated against such diseases makes a lot of sense even if you don't leave the US.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 30, @09:15AM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 30, @09:15AM (#1298837)
                    If you're old, you might want a polio booster vaccine before exposing yourself to a high dose of polio viruses.
                    • (Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Thursday March 30, @12:19PM

                      If you're old, you might want a polio booster vaccine before exposing yourself to a high dose of polio viruses.

                      According to the CDC [cdc.gov]:

                      Who is at an increased risk for exposure to poliovirus?

                      In the United States, the risk of getting polio is extremely low. However, there are some situations that put people at increased risk for exposure to poliovirus such as:

                      • Travelers who are going to countries where there is an increased risk of exposure to poliovirus.
                      • Laboratory and healthcare workers who handle specimens that might contain polioviruses.
                      • Healthcare workers or other caregivers who have close contact with a person who could be infected with poliovirus.
                      • Unvaccinated adults whose children will be receiving oral poliovirus vaccine (for example, international adoptees or refugees).
                      • Unvaccinated adults living or working in a community where poliovirus is circulating.

                      I don't see bludgeoning the flaps of an illegal immigrant on the list, so I think I'm okay. ;)

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                      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by krishnoid on Thursday March 30, @01:26AM (1 child)

        by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday March 30, @01:26AM (#1298762)

        Let's not discount the contributions from 60+ years of progress in multiple scientific fields (including the Internet [nwbe.org]):

        Wastewater samples from Rockland and several nearby counties were positive for poliovirus for months after the initial case was reported in July, suggesting widespread circulation of the virus in the region.

        The fact that wastewater surveillance can detect the presence of the virus before cases start showing up in hospitals, and that the government's public health notification system publishes rather than hides this information, is really valuable forward intelligence. The, er, "natural consequences" of viral RNA staying intact all the way from the body all the way to waste treatment is Nature throwing us a bone, though.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday March 30, @05:07AM

          by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Thursday March 30, @05:07AM (#1298795)

          Even then, stupidity gets in the way. My local sewage treatment authority acted like wastewater surveillance was something bizarre that I'd made up.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by pTamok on Wednesday March 29, @05:52PM (3 children)

      by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday March 29, @05:52PM (#1298677)

      I guess you don't even know what the definition of 'Third World [wikipedia.org]' is.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 30, @12:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 30, @12:03AM (#1298753)

        What in their post would make you say that?

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Thursday March 30, @03:26PM (1 child)

        by VLM (445) on Thursday March 30, @03:26PM (#1298903)

        In 2023, its "new york"

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Tork on Wednesday March 29, @06:31PM

      by Tork (3914) on Wednesday March 29, @06:31PM (#1298685)
      If simple exposure to what you have termed "3rd-world diseases" is all it takes to be a 'consequence' then you are finger-pointing in the wrong direction.

      Slowing the spread of polio is not what you intended with your remark.
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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Wednesday March 29, @07:11PM

      by Opportunist (5545) on Wednesday March 29, @07:11PM (#1298692)

      It's more a natural consequence of bozos thinking they know biology better than people who studied it because they listen to some snake oil peddlers on the internet.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @07:11PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @07:11PM (#1298693)

      It's almost as if there's no attempt to find a solution... Chat robots gotta chat.

  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by DadaDoofy on Wednesday March 29, @07:50PM (9 children)

    by DadaDoofy (23827) on Wednesday March 29, @07:50PM (#1298701)

    Things like this are the direct fallout from lies about the Covid "vaccine" (it's not). You don't need a mask (we need ours first). Oh wait, no, you absolutely DO need a mask (we have ours now). The "vaccine" will stop the spread of Covid. The unvaccinated are spreading Covid.

    When your government is caught in one lie after another, people start to mistrust the government. Even when they are telling the truth, as in the need for people to be vaccinated with actual vaccines against diseases against which they are effective.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by pTamok on Wednesday March 29, @09:40PM (3 children)

      by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday March 29, @09:40PM (#1298718)

      Things like this are the direct fallout from lies about the Covid "vaccine" (it's not). You don't need a mask (we need ours first). Oh wait, no, you absolutely DO need a mask (we have ours now). The "vaccine" will stop the spread of Covid. The unvaccinated are spreading Covid.

      When your government is caught in one lie after another, people start to mistrust the government. Even when they are telling the truth, as in the need for people to be vaccinated with actual vaccines against diseases against which they are effective.

      The Covid vaccines (plural) are vaccines. They induce immune responses that mean the immune system can respond faster to infection by SARS-CoV-2 viruses. Like all vaccines, they are not 100% effective, but as the recent roll-out of malaria vaccines shows, a vaccine does not need to be 100% effective in order to have a positive public health benefit.

      As for masks: surgical masks are lousy at preventing infection of the wearer by infectious aerosols. They exist to reduce the risk of the surgeon infecting the patient when the patient is vulnerable (skin open during surgery). So you are most interested in other people wearing masks, because they act to reduce the infectious aerosols produced by other people (surgeon infecting patient). If you want to reduce your own risk of infection, you need an N95 mask at minimum, worn properly (which is hard). This has been known since day one, when medical staff dealing with infected patients needed N95 masks, of which there was a shortage. Wearing a surgical mask saves others. Do the right thing.

      If you are not vaccinated, and have symptomatic Covid infection, the average length of time you are infectious (can spread disease to others) is lengthened compared to vaccinated people - because vaccinated people have had their immune system primed to deal with the virus. Without the vaccination there is a latency period during which (hopefully successfully) your immune system is building up the necessary tools to deal with the infection. So non-vaccinated people are disproportionately infectious for longer, and therefore have more opportunity to spread the disease.

      As for the government not lying: I too am in favour of motherhood and apple pie. Governments know it is a bad idea. Duh! And Covid vaccines are effective, just not 100%, BUT way better than zero.

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by krishnoid on Thursday March 30, @01:13AM

        by krishnoid (1156) on Thursday March 30, @01:13AM (#1298760)

        Wearing a surgical mask saves others.

        What if you wear it backwards?

      • (Score: 2) by DadaDoofy on Thursday March 30, @02:19PM (1 child)

        by DadaDoofy (23827) on Thursday March 30, @02:19PM (#1298885)

        Before Covid, vaccines contained weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Covid vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. This required a change to what qualifies as a vaccine.

        • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Friday March 31, @09:20AM

          by pTamok (3042) on Friday March 31, @09:20AM (#1299110)

          Before Covid, vaccines contained weakened or inactive parts of a particular organism (antigen) that triggers an immune response within the body. Covid vaccines contain the blueprint for producing antigens rather than the antigen itself. This required a change to what qualifies as a vaccine.

          OK, before Covid, vaccines contained either:

          1) An different organism that induce an immune response against the disease you are vaccinating against. The orginal vaccine was cowpox, infection by which protected you against infection by smallpox. It's why vaccines are called 'vaccine', which comes from vacca, the Latin for cow.
          2) A weakened form of a disease causing organism, which induces an immune response that protects against infection by the normal 'strong' form. I won't go into the details of the weakening process. However, it is a fully viable organism, and spontaneous mutations can, and do occur, which is why there are occasional Polio outbreaks traced to mutations of the weakened form of polio virus given as a vaccine.
          3) Denatured - broken up - bits of a disease-causing organism, which cannot reproduce, but present the same chemical identifiers as the live disease-causing organism. These are often given with adjuvants - chemicals which strengthen the immune response - because the vaccine can't reproduce to produce more of a response naturally. Some people really don't like the use of adjuvants.

          In all case, the immune system learns to recognise the shape of chemicals on the surface of the invading organism and produces chemical tags or labels to latch on to that shape (lock-and-key idea), which then subsequently tells the rest of the immune system to dispose of things labelled in that manner. It's a pretty interesting process.

          What the Covid mRNA vaccines do (there are 'traditional' Covid vaccines too) is use an universal mechanism found in all living cells for protein production. The instructions for producing proteins are carried by a chemical called RNA, in this case, messenger-RNA (RNA, or ribonucleic acid, is a completely different chemical to DNA, deoxyribonucleic acid, which your genes are made of. Some things use RNA as their genetic store, but it has disadvantages compared to DNA). You give a cell messenger-RNA, which it uses as instructions to build a protein.

          Now, the Covid mRNA vaccine is designed to produce a chemical that looks like the 'spikes' found on the outside of the virus. It's not a complete copy, as the end that would be attached to the virus body needs to have a terminal that is different. The cells produce this protein, just like any other protein, and the immune system recognizes that it is 'foreign' and produces labels to tag it as needing to be removed. So the immune system learns to recognise the spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 virus, without the full organism being present, which is a neat trick, equivalent to case (3) above. The main thing is you are getting your body to produce the proteins that the immune system learns to deal with.

          It's all vaccines, which are simply stuff used to evoke an immune response that will work against particular disease-causing organisms. mRNA vaccines are a really cool approach, and show real promise in treating cancer, by provoking an immune response to particular cancer cells. It's truly brilliant breakthrough technology.

    • (Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 29, @10:53PM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 29, @10:53PM (#1298727) Homepage Journal

      Flamebait, because you are trying to make this issue a political issue, and directly citing the whole covid fiasco, which was largely political.

      Polio didn't just crop up in the past year or two, as a result of the pandemic. Whatever is happening in Rockland has been happening for decades. And, FYI, Rockland County is a deep blue county, NOT red, not Republican, not Trump voters, not MAGA country. https://bestneighborhood.org/conservative-vs-liberal-map-rockland-county-ny/ [bestneighborhood.org]

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      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @11:15PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 29, @11:15PM (#1298731)

        FYI, Rockland County is a deep blue county, NOT red, not Republican, not Trump voters, not MAGA country.>/quote>

        That's an odd thing for you to say. Especially since both US representatives (NY17 and NY18) for Rockland County are, wait for it, Republicans [house.gov].

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Thursday March 30, @03:49PM

        by cmdrklarg (5048) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 30, @03:49PM (#1298910)

        Correct. The problem with Rockland County isn't political, it's the religious views of many Orthodox Jewish residents with respect towards vaccination in general.

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    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Beryllium Sphere (r) on Thursday March 30, @05:03AM

      by Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) on Thursday March 30, @05:03AM (#1298794)

      Effectiveness, not as good as at first, but proven in gold standard experiment: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577 [nejm.org]

    • (Score: 1, Redundant) by VLM on Thursday March 30, @03:28PM

      by VLM (445) on Thursday March 30, @03:28PM (#1298905)

      Even when they are telling the truth, as in the need for people to be vaccinated with actual vaccines against diseases against which they are effective.

      I'll call it now, you know this polio thing is going to be spun as "great news, we have a new and improved vaccine for polio"

      This is our government; it doesn't work for us; they can't possibly be doing something that's good for us, tried and tested, actually works. They'd never do that.

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