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posted by hubie on Monday April 10, @04:04AM   Printer-friendly
from the kill-it-with-fire-from-space dept.

Australia will ban tiktok on government devices despite claims by chinese officials that the application is safe to use.

Is any application on a mobile device really safe to use? What personal data do they collect? Where do they send it? Why don't mobile devices come with the firewall enabled?

Australia's top spy agency has added to growing concerns about a popular social media app, and its collection of users' personal data. State governments across the nation are issuing TikTok bans on official work devices as concerns about data safety increase worldwide.

The app's Australian general manager Lee Hunter recently told The Project that users should feel "safe" on TikTok, and claimed China had no way of accessing data – despite the site's parent company operating out of China.

However, national intelligence organisation Australian Signals Directorate (ASD) recently released advice about the app, warning the general public not to use it on a device that can access other information.

"Do not use it on a phone that can access any official information, for example, any workplace communication (email clients, MS Teams)," the ASD warned in advice shared by the Tasmanian government.

Previously:
    The 'Insanely Broad' RESTRICT Act Could Ban VPNs in the USA
    Banning TikTok
    TikTok Would be Banned From US "for Good" Under Bipartisan Bill
    President Trump Threatens TikTok Ban, Microsoft Considers Buying TikTok's U.S. Operations[Updated 2]


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President Trump Threatens TikTok Ban, Microsoft Considers Buying TikTok's U.S. Operations[Updated 2] 80 comments

[20200803_012617 UTC UTC Update 2:]

tl;dr version: Trump threatened to ban TikTok. Then Microsoft said it was in talks to buy TikTok. Then Microsoft said the talks were in doubt after Trump's threats. Now, Microsoft is "continuing discussions."

Microsoft to continue discussions on TikTok purchase after talking to Donald Trump:

After reports US President Donald Trump is considering an order to force Beijing-based tech company ByteDance to divest ownership of popular social-video app TikTok, Microsoft has announced it will be "continuing discussion" on a potential purchase of TikTok after a conversation between Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and the President.

"Microsoft fully appreciates the importance of addressing the President's concerns," said Microsoft, in a statement. "It is committed to acquiring TikTok subject to a complete security review and providing proper economic benefits to the United States, including the United States Treasury.

[20200802_144217 UTC Update 1; added:]

Microsoft pauses talks on TikTok US deal - reports:

A possible sale of Chinese-owned TikTok's US operations to Microsoft is reportedly on hold after Donald Trump vowed to ban the video-sharing app.

A sale was thought close to agreement, but was put in doubt after the US president's warning on Friday.

The Wall Street Journal said Microsoft had now paused talks despite TikTok owner ByteDance making last ditch efforts to win White House support.

It comes amid criticism of Mr Trump's threat as an attack on free speech.

[...] Late on Friday, Mr Trump told reporters aboard Air Force One: "As far as TikTok is concerned we're banning them from the United States."

[Original story follows.--martyb]

TikTok: Trump says he will ban Chinese video app in the US

President Donald Trump has announced he is banning the Chinese-owned video-sharing app TikTok in the US.

He told reporters he could sign an executive order as early as Saturday.

US security officials have expressed concern that the app, owned by Chinese firm ByteDance, could be used to collect the personal data of Americans.

[...] Microsoft has reportedly been in talks to buy the app from ByteDance, but Mr Trump appeared to cast doubt that such a deal would be allowed to go through. If the deal went ahead reports say it would involve ByteDance shedding TikTok's US operations.

TikTok Would be Banned From US “for Good” Under Bipartisan Bill 46 comments

Lawmakers liken TikTok's widening influence in the US to "digital fentanyl":

In September, President Joe Biden announced that TikTok would remain accessible in the US once a deal could be worked out to assuage national security concerns. At that time, Biden said it would take months for his administration to weigh all the potential risks involved in inking the deal. Among detractors of the brewing deal, Senator Marco Rubio (R-Fla.) and Congressman Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) emerged, alleging in a Washington Post op-ed that any deal that Biden arranged with the Chinese-owned social media platform "would dangerously compromise national security."

Now, Marco and Gallagher have teamed up with Congressman Raja Krishnamoorthi (D-Ill.) to introduce new bipartisan legislation in the Senate and House of Representatives, formally calling for a ban on TikTok. It's the only way, lawmakers feel, that TikTok can truly be stopped from collecting sensitive data on Americans for the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) and censoring content to influence elections, sow discord, or potentially even "indoctrinate" users.

[...] The bill—officially known as the ''Averting the National Threat of Internet Surveillance, Oppressive Censorship and Influence, and Algorithmic Learning by the Chinese Communist Party Act'' or the ''ANTI-SOCIAL CCP Act"—is designed to block and prohibit all transactions by social media companies controlled or influenced by "countries of concern." The legislation specifically names TikTok and owner ByteDance as existing national security threats. But if passed, its provisions would also extend to any social media platform controlled by other US foreign adversaries, including Russia, Iran, North Korea, Cuba, and Venezuela.

Banning TikTok 19 comments

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2023/02/banning-tiktok.html

Congress is currently debating bills that would ban TikTok in the United States. We are here as technologists to tell you that this is a terrible idea and the side effects would be intolerable. Details matter. There are several ways Congress might ban TikTok, each with different efficacies and side effects. In the end, all the effective ones would destroy the free Internet as we know it:

There's no doubt that TikTok and ByteDance, the company that owns it, are shady. They, like most large corporations in China, operate at the pleasure of the Chinese government. They collect extreme levels of information about users. But they're not alone: Many apps you use do the same, including Facebook and Instagram, along with seemingly innocuous apps that have no need for the data. Your data is bought and sold by data brokers you've never heard of who have few scruples about where the data ends up. They have digital dossiers on most people in the United States.

If we want to address the real problem, we need to enact serious privacy laws, not security theater, to stop our data from being collected, analyzed, and sold—by anyone. Such laws would protect us in the long term, and not just from the app of the week. They would also prevent data breaches and ransomware attacks from spilling our data out into the digital underworld, including hacker message boards and chat servers, hostile state actors, and outside hacker groups. And, most importantly, they would be compatible with our bedrock values of free speech and commerce, which Congress's current strategies are not.

The 'Insanely Broad' RESTRICT Act Could Ban VPNs in the USA 22 comments

https://www.vice.com/en/article/4a3ddb/restrict-act-insanely-broad-ban-tiktok-vpns

[...] The bill could have implications not just for social networks, but potentially security tools such as virtual private networks (VPNs) that consumers use to encrypt and route their traffic, one said. Although the intention of the bill is to target apps or services that pose a threat to national security, these critics worry it may have much wider implications for the First Amendment.

"The RESTRICT Act is a concerning distraction with insanely broad language that raises serious human and civil rights concerns," Willmary Escoto, U.S. policy analyst for digital rights organization Access Now told Motherboard in an emailed statement. [...]

[...] Under the RESTRICT Act, the Department of Commerce would identify information and communications technology products that a foreign adversary has any interest in, or poses an unacceptable risk to national security, the announcement reads. The bill only applies to technology linked to a "foreign adversary." Those countries include China (as well as Hong Kong); Cuba; Iran; North Korea; Russia, and Venezuela.

The bill's language includes vague terms such as "desktop applications," "mobile applications," "gaming applications," "payment applications," and "web-based applications." It also targets applicable software that has more than 1 million users in the U.S.

"The RESTRICT Act could lead to apps and other ICT services with connections to certain foreign countries being banned in the United States. Any bill that would allow the US government to ban an online service that facilitates Americans' speech raises serious First Amendment concerns," Caitlin Vogus, deputy director of the Center for Democracy & Technology's Free Expression Project, told Motherboard in an emailed statement. "In addition, while bills like the RESTRICT Act may be motivated by legitimate privacy concerns, banning ICT services with connections to foreign countries would not necessarily help protect Americans' privacy. Those countries may still obtain data through other means, like by purchasing it from private data brokers." [...]


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by legont on Monday April 10, @04:32AM (3 children)

    by legont (4179) on Monday April 10, @04:32AM (#1300715)

    Australia did not have a recession since the USSR fall for a simple reason of being commodity attachment to China. Yet, they are biting the master's hand. Fascinating indeed.

    --
    "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @03:51PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @03:51PM (#1300761)

      I always thought of Australia as the UK's lapdog, so it's good to learn they're actually China's bitch.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by gawdonblue on Monday April 10, @09:40PM

        by gawdonblue (412) on Monday April 10, @09:40PM (#1300812)

        Australia has always outsourced its foreign policy.
        Indeed it used to be that Australia was Britain's lapdog, but Australia has been "all the way with USA" since at least LBJ.
        Embarrasingly, the Prime Minister at the time of the Iraq invasion - John Howard - described Australia as the "USA's deputy sheriff".
        This diplomatic cultural cringe [wikipedia.org] continues, with the current government following up on the previous government's decision to purchase nuclear-powered submarines, aimed at China (as per the GP), which will triple Australia's military budget and reduce China's likelyhood of buying Australia.
        Australia's defence policy explained. [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by corey on Tuesday April 11, @09:12PM

      by corey (2202) on Tuesday April 11, @09:12PM (#1300995)

      This isn’ta master/underling arrangement you portray. Yeah so China are more powerful in defence and economy. But China are just as dependent on Australia’s exports. They don’t control Australia like some make out. This was in the news only today:

      China vows to ‘re-establish trust’ with Australia
      Daniel Hurst
      Daniel Hurst
      The Chinese government has said it will work constructively with Australia to “resolve our respective concerns on trade and economic issues in a balanced way”.

      The comments follow the Australian government’s announcement yesterday of a “pathway” to a possible resolution of the long-running dispute over Beijing’s 80% tariffs on Australian barley.

      The Australian government said it will temporarily suspend its World Trade Organization (WTO) dispute as China promises to review its barley tariffs over the next three to four months. Australia said it will resume the WTO challenge if Beijing doesn’t scrap the tariffs at the end of that review.

      Wang Wenbin, a Chinese foreign ministry spokesperson, told reporters in Beijing overnight that the two economies “have a lot to offer each other and such cooperation is good for both sides”.

      He said improving the relationship between China and Australia was “not only in the fundamental interest of both peoples, but also conducive to peace and development in the Asia-Pacific and beyond”.

      Wang said China was “ready to work with Australia to further implement the important common understandings reached between the leaders at their Bali meeting” in November and also between the foreign ministers in December:

      By following the principles of mutual respect, mutual benefit and seeking common ground while shelving differences, we aim to re-establish trust between the two countries and bring bilateral relations to the right track and, in this process, resolve our respective concerns on trade and economic issues in a balanced way through constructive consultation to the benefit of both peoples.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday April 10, @05:47AM (3 children)

    by Rosco P. Coltrane (4757) on Monday April 10, @05:47AM (#1300721)

    I'm all for banning TikTok. Not for the appaling content but because it spies on its users and shares data with sketchy concerns.

    Great reason to ban an app. I agree 100%!

    So when are the US and Australia gonna ban Google (and its MANY spyware apps) and Facebook? And since we're at it and working towards securing people's private data, what about Microsoft? Akamai? CloudFlare? Amazon?

    In short, what are they going to do about the other spyware that happens to be made in allied countries?

    Fucking hypocrits...

    • (Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @06:10AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @06:10AM (#1300723)

      Uh that's different. For those the data goes to the NSA/US Gov and partners.

      For TikTok the data goes to the NSA/US Gov, partners, Singapore and allegedly China. See the difference?

      https://newsroom.tiktok.com/en-us/delivering-on-our-us-data-governance [tiktok.com]
      https://dgtlinfra.com/tiktok-data-centers-cloud-locations/ [dgtlinfra.com]

      😉

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @03:55PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 10, @03:55PM (#1300762)

      Funny because I'm all for banning TikTok because of the the "appaling" content. I only went there once and after about 10 minutes I noticed it was almost entirely alpha male propaganda. Perhaps why the kids are all soft these days... they're nutrient deficient from vomiting so much.

    • (Score: 2) by corey on Monday April 10, @10:33PM

      by corey (2202) on Monday April 10, @10:33PM (#1300824)

      You need to look at the context. ASD are our version of the NSA. They’re talking about government devices. They see China as being the threat. Google are American, who are allies. They don’t want TikTok scooping up official (government business) information going to the Chinese. Pretty simple.

      From a general privacy perspective, fully agree with you.

  • (Score: 4, Informative) by looorg on Monday April 10, @12:39PM (1 child)

    by looorg (578) on Monday April 10, @12:39PM (#1300740)

    Are they just not following ALL the other extended five-, nine- and fourteen eyes countries. Big Daddy sets the tone and the others follow his command(s). It's not like Australia is the one setting the tone or agenda here.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 11, @01:23AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 11, @01:23AM (#1300848)
      So is Australia or NZ the USA's southernmost state?
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