from the we-need-you-to-run-on-systems-with-better-telemetry-exfiltration dept.
Goodbye to Roblox on Linux with their new anti-cheat and Wine blocking:
You might have seen recently that I covered the upcoming updates for Roblox*, and now it's here blocking Wine with their new anti-cheat. This means you won't be able to play it on Linux any more, at all, unless you find some sort of special workaround.
Previously the roll-out of this update was being tested only with some users. Now though it's here for everyone giving a 64 bit client and introducing their Hyperion anti-cheat software which they are intentionally blocking Wine with. Naturally plenty of Roblox fans on Linux are upset by this, asking their team for updates on what their plans are.
In a fresh statement on their official developer forum one of their staff said this, in reply to users asking about updates in regards to Linux support:
Hi - thanks for the question. I definitely get where you're coming from, and as you point out, you deserve a clear, good-faith answer. Unfortunately that answer is essentially "no."
[...] Again, I'm personally sorry to have to say this. Way back in 2000 I had a few patches accepted into the kernel, and I led the port of Roblox game servers from Windows to Linux several years ago. From a technical and philosophical perspective, it would be a wonderful thing to do. But our first responsibility is to our overall community, and the opportunity cost of supporting a Linux client is far, far too high to justify.
They're clearly not going to be releasing a Native Linux build, which I think most people probably already knew, but at least previously they repeatedly said that Wine was a "priority" to support but now it doesn't sound as likely going by the above.
What is Roblox? Roblox is an app that allows users to play a wide variety of games, create games, and chat with others online. It combines gaming, social media, and social commerce. Billing itself as the “ultimate virtual universe,” Roblox experiences are places where users can socialize, build their own spaces, and even earn and spend virtual money.
Apparently, it is very "popular with kids".
(Score: 4, Touché) by Opportunist on Monday May 15, @02:53PM
I hardly knew ye.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Monday May 15, @03:05PM (3 children)
I play Roblox with my kids. Yes, can confirm that about a week ago, Roblox broke their WINE compatibility. For months, Roblox had been working great under vanilla WINE, and before that, working great with "grapejuice".
So we're cutting back on Roblox. Am pushing the kids to play other games, such as Minetest or Minecraft. Not easy, especially with all the YouTube videos of Roblox play. I was surprised to see just how much of that there is. Like, there are these "Rainbow Friends", which I had supposed was just one obscure Roblox scenario among thousands, but it seems it's big enough to have quite a few videos of teens playing that scenario, and they've even made story videos about the Rainbow Friends. I don't know if Rainbow Friends started in Roblox, or if they were created outside of Roblox and someone just made a Roblox scenario featuring them.
I have at least held the line on "Robux", their in-game currency that you can too easily spend real money on. Have never bought or earned a single Robux.
(Score: 3, Informative) by PiMuNu on Monday May 15, @03:26PM
In the same boat.
I recommend minecraft mods as a good experience; for example FTBApp has native linux support, and makes a nice UI for installing all the major minecraft mods. minecraft has much better support for hacking (e.g. writing mods), so as a stealth edutainment option there is much more scope to get the kids into coding...
(Score: 3, Informative) by RamiK on Monday May 15, @04:21PM
Waydroid and android-x86 seem to work: https://devforum.roblox.com/t/how-to-play-roblox-on-linux-without-wineproton-after-hyperion-was-released-no-windows-vms/2322766 [roblox.com]
I had some luck with both for other stuff. Android-x86 can be deployed into an existing ext4 partition (it occupies /someDir/ on the root) and be dual booted into. Waydroid runs as a container of a lineage-os build in a wayland compositor (so, just an app in gnome/sway/...).
compiling...
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @04:42PM
Kiddo and I play Terraria, because no in-app purchases, etc. Screw that whole "ecosystem". With the introduction of the Journey Mode for Terraria, you can make it as easy/hard as you want it. You can literally turn off enemy spawns and just make it a sandbox building game, if you want. (Though, the progression is all locked behind boss battles and item drops from enemies.) There's also apparently a vibrant modding community, which I've only ever barely tested a little of. The game itself is more than enough to keep you going, though. They've had boat loads of free content updates over the years and even game crossover content with the likes of Dungeon Defenders and Don't Starve/Don't Starve Together. (Dungeon Defenders crystal defense event introduced in Terraria and a whole world seed with new items etc that are more likely to spawn on it for the Don't Starve Together content crossover.)
Dungeon Defenders (The first One) is also a great one, FPS/RPG/Tower Defense hybrid. That and the Sanctum and Sanctum 2 games are about the only "good" games of the genre. The Sanctum Games were created/produced or whatever by the same company as Deep Rock Galactic.
Assuming you're okay with cartoon violence / bloodshed ala Minecraft, all of the above games should be worth looking at. (Aside from the Deep Rock Galactic game which I would classify as not kid friendly. Due to the alcohol use, language, and violent content. Dwarf Cults aside.)
Beyond those games, there is Planet Crafter, a fairly kid friendly FPS style game. No Killing, but you character can "die" due to suffocation, starvation, dehydration, or like falling off a cliff or getting hit by a meteorite, etc. Though, it's not graphic or the like, unlike some games where you die.
Space Engineers is also a great one, though it's a much bigger game, more unforgiving, and definitely has combat. Still, it's more like a giant Solar System Sandbox. The general goal is to create enough industry to survive, explore space, escape the planet via whatever means you have, and/or just build giant bases that you can expand, because reasons. There are some "quest" like things you can get form stations, but it's very basic and very rinse and repeat. Still, with a few mods (Shield Mod is a must to make combat not stupid.), Food/Water mod for survival mechanics, etc. you can have a great time. You can have a great time without the mods, but I highly recommend a shield mod to make combat more interesting. AI insta sniping you out of a cockpit is beyond stupid. In general, there aren't any characters, except yourself, wolves on the earthlike planet and spiders on the alien like planet. Everything else, even the enemy ships are all "robot like". I.E. No androids, just a ship that does stuff.
Beyond that, kiddo actually has a good time playing 'ye olde Spore. Though, it's just as stupid with their locked-down DRM crap as it's always been. Kiddo has a great time with the first and second stages, with a little interest in the third stage (tribal), but hasn't ever progressed past the third stage. As far as that game goes, designing your own creatures was the best thing about it. The Tribal, Civilized, and Space ages are essentially their own versions of very dumb RTS games. The Space stage was quite a bit more interesting than the Civilization and Tribal stages. Though, the Tribal and Civilization stages just feel like stepping stones to get to the Space stage. Which suffers from the giant sandbox with nothing to accomplish issue. Just like most any sandbox game.
That's most of the "good games" that we play off/on. Though, that Planet Crafter game is not a multiplayer game. Still, it's a rather interesting game and you go from lifeless rock to rock with trees and grass, etc. and it does have some cool/visually appealing things. One of the more interesting things is developing to the point where you can get multiple kinds of butterflies and fish. Then, creating tanks, etc. for them. Also, bees, because why not?
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2, Funny) by namefags_are_jerks on Monday May 15, @03:09PM
Damn. The people who think Linux is for running non-free software got screwed over again...
(Score: 0, Troll) by istartedi on Monday May 15, @03:17PM (25 children)
Company caters to customer that pay. Film at 11.
This is the problem with any game on Linux. You're asking for-profit companies to cater to a market comprised of people that were willing to go out of their way to avoid paying for software. Convincing decision-makers that's a good idea is an uphill climb.
On the one hand, it would seem like the technical hurdle is less now. That's a plus. On the other hand, Windows is "free" if your privacy has no value. That's a minus. For the decision makers, the potential to monetize users is now less about finding customers willing to pay for software, and more about finding customers who don't mind being data-mined. Once again, the Windows user fits that profile and the Linux user doesn't.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @03:32PM (7 children)
There are plenty of Linux users who pay for software, but that's not the perception - and more importantly: there just aren't that many Linux users out there, period.
Lots and lots of Windows users (especially kids with more time than money on their hands) go to great lengths to avoid paying for things, including software, virtual universes, etc.
If they had developed their platform in Qt, they could be native on Windows, OS-X, and Linux, and use a uniform storefront to charge one place for users running anywhere.
Now, I'm back to my split platform project where I need a REST client running in Windows, because that's the only place I can get on the company VPN, to interoperate with our Linux device via AMQP so it can reach this server that's only accessible on the company network.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Monday May 15, @05:54PM (1 child)
> If they had developed their platform in Qt
I guess the tricky part is the 3D rendering rather than the storefront. If you start in DirectX, life is hell...
(Score: 3, Informative) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @05:56PM
Yeah, we did a Qt+OpenGL thing back in 2006-7, you just have to "get happy" with the limitations of whatever platform you choose - they all have them.
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(Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday May 16, @02:59AM (2 children)
What VPN are you using that doesn't work with Linux? I thought openconnect supported all the big ones.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 16, @12:38PM
The corporate VPN which only supports clients on the corporate Windows images.
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(Score: 2) by GloomMower on Tuesday May 16, @02:55PM
They've gotten very tricky with corporate VPNs now. They can be set up to only allow you to connect after a scan of your system, that checks what software is installed, what patch version of the OS is installed, etc.
(Score: 2) by GloomMower on Tuesday May 16, @02:44PM (1 child)
Do they let you install ssh/git? You can set up a SSH Proxy tunnel and use the windows computer just as sort of a VPN router.
https://coldstonelabs.org/SSH%20Proxy.pdf [coldstonelabs.org]
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 16, @05:51PM
There are ways and ways... I had a socks5 proxy server installed way back that let me get from my Linux dev system into the company network via VPN.
I also was running VNC server on a regular basis, and one day I had a group of about 5 corporate head IT office types "drop by" my cube and ask about how I was using VNC. I showed them how it enabled me to screen share with colleagues across the country on our product's console (which ran Ubuntu 14.04 at the time) and how the standard Windows desktop sharing couldn't really serve that purpose. They all nodded thoughtfully and went away, I never heard peep back from them.
The current product's console is architected with an AMQP message broker onboard, so I'm running the server interface that needs to be on the VPN on Windows on the company laptop and it communicates via the message broker with the Ubuntu console, and the software there is none-the-wiser that the REST interfaces are running on a different machine.
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(Score: 5, Informative) by stormreaver on Monday May 15, @04:16PM (16 children)
You apparently know nothing about Roblox. At all. I envy you for that, but the rest of your posting belies your ignorance of both Linux and Roblox.
Roblox is free to play, as they don't make their money on client licenses. They make their money on in-game purchases. Linux kids are just as stupid as Windows kids when it comes to wasting money on in-game purchases. Stupidity among Roblox's users is operating system agnostic. My Linux kids spent, combined, probably around $2,500 of their allowances on Robux. The notion that Linux users won't spend money on games is patently false.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @04:45PM (4 children)
Allowing your kids to spend their own allowance money on the likes of Roblox is part of the problem and why "free-to-play" games are a thing. Why make a good game that isn't designed to prey on the feels/gambling addiction of children when you can just make a stupid X thing and rake in the money?
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by stormreaver on Monday May 15, @04:58PM (3 children)
It's their money, and they can spend it on whatever they want. It's a good lesson for them to learn while they're young. That's what childhood is for.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @06:05PM (2 children)
I very much doubt the validity of them actually learning a lesson from "wasting their money" on Roblox. A parent should raise a child the way they should be raised. Not leave everything to chance and hope for the best. Most of / maybe all of the "free-to-play" genre of games are predisposing the children to gambling addictions. Maybe, it's just showing all the kids that have an inclination to gambling, but I doubt it. Gambling addiction can be a learned dopamine hit and the addict is on the look out for the latest hit. Getting your kids hooked on something that is designed to take advantage of that is not a good thing. People have their own opinions, but looking at the development of "free-to-play" games and who / how they target. Then, looking at where they get their money from, it's all designed to be predatory. In the event that you turn it into a learning lesson, sure, I guess. Giving your kid access to free ice cream (or ice cream that they pay for), isn't likely to learn them how to be thin, though.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by GloomMower on Tuesday May 16, @02:52PM (1 child)
When I was younger, I spent a lot of my allowance on baseball cards, which was a form of gambling.
Eventually I quit doing that and was able to save up for bigger things I wanted.
What I wasn't prepared to do was figure out how to fit how much money I have into a food budget. It is different than rent or utilities, which don't have much room to change (they are more fixed). At first I just didn't buy almost any food, and got malnourished to a point where I was not be able to walk. Now it seems like way to much of my money is on food, so maybe am still working on that. I'm not sure how you teach kids that part (Or maybe even myself).
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday May 16, @07:05PM
I've heard it said, "Getting old isn't for the faint of heart". Some variation thereof definitely applies to parenting. What's more, just because you had an easy time with kids 1-5 doesn't mean kid 6 won't give you a run for your money. Every kid is their own person and will challenge you in different ways.
Baseball cards and even the more predatory card trading games were never as bad as the in-app-purchase heaps of garbage. If only due to the fact that you actually got a product that you could later sell. I'm not a fan of the toy "blind bags" that are ever so common nowadays, either. Wife and I would get the Lego mini-figure "blind bags". The last series was the final one they're doing in the bags, though, they're switching to cardboard boxes, just like the rest of their sets. The problem with the box is that you can't tell what's in it. With the Lego "blind bags" / Lego series mini-figures, you could look for X thing that was unique, feel for it, and fairly consistently get what you want. All that said, I've definitely bought my fair share of baseball cards. Not anytime in the past 25+ years, though.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @05:19PM (10 children)
My Android kid spent $13.50 on OnlyFans - luckily we spotted the charge on his debit card within less than 24 hours, had a sit-down chat about how spending money for sex or pornography is not a good thing for either party in the bigger picture, and so far (2 months) the message seems to have stuck. He earns his own money and has autonomy to make his own decisions, but a little parental guidance (sometimes) goes a long way.
We had a similar chat about online games purchases 5 or 6 years back, one time cash outlay is O.K. if that's what you really want to do, but loot boxes and similar pay a little here and a little there is emphatically NOT.
I'm glad you're letting your kids make their own choices, but I wish you'd have given them stronger guidance against supporting that kind of industry.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @06:19PM (7 children)
Interesting, I thought OnlyFans was just a NSFW site. Not an actual porn site. I figured there was some of that, but didn't realize it was essentially just that.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @06:49PM (6 children)
We didn't get into the nitty gritty, but his browser history indicated women's names and various things you might find as PornHub video descriptions. I believe it's a live chat arrangement, I don't know if it's a show with multiple viewers sending tips or one on one or whatever, like I said we glossed over that aspect.
Worth mentioning: when this Android kid was a toddler, we did playdates with various people we hardly knew since we were new to town. Here 18+ years later, we caught up with one of his toddler playdate moms who had a daughter. Yes, past tense. Daughter was going through typical 18-19 year old ping-pong between divorced parents rebellion hiding what she's really doing from both parents things. Dad found her dead of a heart attack (drugs involved) posed with a toy naked in front of her webcam. Never did track down who she was chatting with, who her drug connection was, etc. etc. I'm not saying that's common, I never heard what video chat service she was using (but OnlyFans has been in hot water for providing such services to minors on both sides)... her mom visited us for a couple of weeks afterwards to (try to) get her head together, I hope we helped a little - that's gotta be one of the rougher things you can go through.
Also worth mentioning: the Android kid has had tablets since he was about 9, but didn't get a phone until about a year ago. The phone is much more addictive than the tablets ever were, even the Kindle Fires.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday May 16, @06:53PM (5 children)
That's rough, our plan is to hold off on a phone until we can't. Though, we've definitely already thought about one of those "kid's emergency phones" where they just have pre-programmed numbers and otherwise is a dumb phone.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 16, @07:02PM (4 children)
We held off on the phone until a year ago when we sent him (and his fairly serious Autism) to a summer camp for a month, they teach skills of independent living, etc. and they required him to have a phone, so... here we are. The camp was really good, he's going again this summer, but I certainly never had to tell him to "put your tablet away, you should be interacting with the people you are with, not staring at it all the time..."
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Tuesday May 16, @07:14PM (3 children)
That's an issue with any screen related thing for us. Just one of those things we have to learn to help with and help kiddo learn to deal with in a positive manner. Apparently ADHD kids have serious issues with pulling attention from pretty much anything that's currently got their attention. While you hear about ADHD and think oh, they can't concentrate on anything. That's not true. They can have trouble focusing, but in the event that something does have their attention. It's really hard to pull attention away from X thing. All it has to be is interesting enough to hold the attention in the first place. It just so happens that screen content is usually designed to get and hold your interest.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 16, @09:21PM
Last time I had serious words with him about it he was using the phone to avoid uncomfortable eye contact (with the cute girl his age sitting next to him at a social mixer.)
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by helel on Wednesday May 17, @02:24AM (1 child)
For ADHD I think it's better to think of it as a difficulty controlling attention rather than a difficulty paying attention. Your focus is always going to be somewhere, even if it's internal. With ADHD you have less conscious control over where that is.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday May 17, @01:22PM
When I was growing up and even until recently, I'd heard, oh they can't pay attention, can't study, etc. As you said though, it's an issue with control over where that attention is placed as opposed to "paying" attention. As ADHD kids / adults can pay attention and do so quite well. It's just the ability to keep one's attention focused on a "boring" task or the like. An environment with lots of distractions can also be bad, no matter how exciting the current task is.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday May 16, @12:26PM (1 child)
Good parenting!
The kid should really just stick to the free stuff, it's not like there's a shortage. Unless you live in Utah, of course.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday May 16, @03:23PM
Don't tell his mom, but yeah. Expecting zero porn viewing seems about as realistic as no sex before marriage...
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by richtopia on Monday May 15, @03:31PM (5 children)
I don't care about Roblox specifically, but the broad statement that anti-cheat is incompatible with compatibility layer (Wine or Proton) is defeating years of development of the software. Valve famously said 100% compatibly of their library, and while that is a stretch the anti-cheat software blocking games is a major hurdle. Skimming over ProtonDB almost all games that are Borked are due to anti-cheat software.
https://www.protondb.com/explore?selectedFilters=excludeNative&sort=mostBorked [protondb.com]
To their credit, compatibility layers can be a vector for inserting cheats. I guess the solution would be native support for the anti-cheat client - considering there is only a handful of anti-cheat vendors that shouldn't be too difficult. But if Valve can't encourage anti-cheat vendors to play ball with Linux, I'm not sure who can.
(Score: 3, Troll) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @03:35PM (1 child)
>the anti-cheat software blocking games is a major hurdle
The real problem is that these anti-cheat softwares are using clever obscurity tricks that aren't portable (or secure). If they'd step back, take a 2 week course in cryptography - PAY ATTENTION - and then design their anti-cheat system around strong cryptographic keys with robust key management systems, they could be portable across all platforms AND secure.
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(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 15, @05:50PM
Because at some point they're going to get the key to decrypt stuff in order to run the stuff on their computer and do actually stuff in a timely manner.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @04:49PM (2 children)
In the event that Valve fails to do so, I doubt anyone can. As there's no one else that cares enough about Linux and has big enough wallet/clout to get it done. At least not now and not in the foreseeable future. I love Steam, but I love GOG more. Which is why I always use Steam, but re-buy anything that I care about that gets released on GOG. I'm part of the never Epic crowd. They're big enough to cause trouble, but they don't actually care any more than any other software shop.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday May 15, @05:22PM (1 child)
I am a big enough Blizzard fan that I bought StarCraft, Diablo, and StarCraft II pretty much on release day.
I am not a big enough Blizzard fan to buy the expansion packs, premium editions, etc. etc. and, really, I'd much rather support the release of good games than the release of low effort high premium content.
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(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday May 15, @06:17PM
I bought all that, D2, and D3, I avoided SCII, though. The auction house killed D3 for me. I've not played it since that whole debacle. I did play Overwatch with a friend for a while, but eventually I got to really thinking about lootboxes, etc. Pointed them to an article or two about it. We stopped playing around the time they decided to ditch their entire family and I got thrown in for good measure. I very much recommend against supporting Blizzard with anything at this point. The devs that actually cared about games / their users left or sold out a very long time ago. I still remember the Mac/PC combo disks for Diablo. You know back when game companies wanted to sell their games to people, for them to play. As opposed to monetizing their customer base. Oh, an Apple release? You have to buy the separate Apple platform version. Assuming, they even support it. Though, perhaps Steam has helped with that particular evil? I don't think so, but I've not really been on the Apple/Mac bandwagon.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Monday May 15, @05:26PM
The majority of software handles shitty code and shitty design by patching or doing better design or generally fixing the root of the problem.
The game-ecosystem solution to shitty code and shitty design is pushing anticheat software, instead of the above.
vrchat is doing the same as roblox. I'm not sure I WANT to run vrchat and re-create circa Y2K 'second life' at slightly higher resolution, but it seems I can't, whatever other stuff I have on my PC marks it as 'cheat software' Probably my installation of Visual Studio (sometimes I 'have to' do c-sharp stuff; that language is weirdly fun for a java-alike)
Anyway as long as its easier/cheaper to push anti-cheat SW than to write non-shitty code, we'll be stuck with this 'solution'.
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Monday May 15, @09:29PM
Please take a moment to tell your children "There are no free Robux." Practically every cybersecurity lesson they will learn in their lives starts with this keystone principle.
(Score: 2) by SomeGuy on Tuesday May 16, @12:53AM (3 children)
So, how exactly do they detect Wine?
Is this something that Wine could simply work around? After all, the entire point of Wine is to be compatible with Windows, so if a program can detect a difference, then technically it is a Wine bug.
(Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Tuesday May 16, @03:05AM
It's not too hard to detect WINE if you want to. For instance, you can check if wine_get_unix_file_name exists, and the existence of that function on WINE and its absence on Windows is not a bug.
(Score: 2) by GloomMower on Tuesday May 16, @02:58PM (1 child)
I believe the main issue is the anti-cheat. Many anti-cheats are very invasive, needing special kernel level memory access. If you can figure out and how to fake it in something like wine, then you can fake it and cheat. So it is a constant battle unless the anti-cheat software wants to specifically support running it through wine.
(Score: 2) by GloomMower on Tuesday May 16, @03:01PM
https://areweanticheatyet.com/ [areweanticheatyet.com]
Some publishes work to make anti-cheats work in linux, other don't care.
Roblox uses Hyperion anti-cheat. I don't know that I see any games working that use that.
Might be planned?
https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/29169102/238155523-b6d53f64-81a1-49a8-be6d-d02d1e784dfb.png [githubusercontent.com]
(Score: 1) by whatevs on Wednesday May 17, @01:03AM
My kids really like Roblox, but they only have Linux on their desktops. It was a pain to get working, it would occasionally break, but I kept it running for them because, like I said, they *really* enjoyed it. As a reward for doing their chores and good behavior I've also been providing them with a steady stream of Robux cards.
On the one hand, I look forward to not having to deal with the random breakages and spending money on something I think is a waste of time, but I do regret that they wont be able to continue playing something they enjoy so much.