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posted by mrpg on Wednesday July 19 2023, @01:11AM   Printer-friendly
from the Sir-Robot-to-the-likes-of-you dept.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2023/07/why-ai-detectors-think-the-us-constitution-was-written-by-ai/

If you feed America's most important legal document—the US Constitution—into a tool designed to detect text written by AI models like ChatGPT, it will tell you that the document was almost certainly written by AI. But unless James Madison was a time traveler, that can't be the case. Why do AI writing detection tools give false positives? We spoke to several experts—and the creator of AI writing detector GPTZero—to find out.

[...] In machine learning, perplexity is a measurement of how much a piece of text deviates from what an AI model has learned during its training. As Dr. Margaret Mitchell of AI company Hugging Face told Ars, "Perplexity is a function of 'how surprising is this language based on what I've seen?'"

So the thinking behind measuring perplexity is that when they're writing text, AI models like ChatGPT will naturally reach for what they know best, which comes from their training data. The closer the output is to the training data, the lower the perplexity rating. Humans are much more chaotic writers—or at least that's the theory—but humans can write with low perplexity, too, especially when imitating a formal style used in law or certain types of academic writing. Also, many of the phrases we use are surprisingly common.

Let's say we're guessing the next word in the phrase "I'd like a cup of _____." Most people would fill in the blank with "water," "coffee," or "tea." A language model trained on a lot of English text would do the same because those phrases occur frequently in English writing. The perplexity of any of those three results would be quite low because the prediction is fairly certain.


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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by legont on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:09AM (8 children)

    by legont (4179) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:09AM (#1316774)

    There is not much difference between an AI and a psycho,

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:37AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:37AM (#1316781)

      a psycho like somebody who ends their sentence with a comma?

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:47AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:47AM (#1316789)

        No, more like one who forgets to capitalize the first letter of a sentence,

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:03AM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:03AM (#1316794)

          joke's on you; it wasn't a sentence to begin with

          • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:17AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:17AM (#1316796)

            ...and you must be postmenopausal.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday July 19 2023, @12:34PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2023, @12:34PM (#1316840) Journal
              im angry angry about all these rules we should be following but arnet whycant you guys just not suck
            • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @04:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @04:03PM (#1316874)

              Parent was not off-topic. It was indicating that GP poster had lost his period.

              If you don't get the joke, don't think you are qualified to moderate it.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Freeman on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:20PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:20PM (#1316866) Journal

      Actually, I posit that a psycho is less disturbing than an AI. A psycho usually is at the least, self-interested and people can relate to that. An AI can't feel and literally will only do what it's programmed to do. An AI programmed by humans better be on a short leash.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by legont on Thursday July 20 2023, @01:30PM

        by legont (4179) on Thursday July 20 2023, @01:30PM (#1316985)

        The biggest issue with modern AI is that they are not programmed per se. They are trained on an unknown data set. Unknown because sets are too big to be known.
        One may say that a human is trained similarly. Yes, but most humans have mamas and friends who find time to stimulate or punish every learned action. Those "teachers" are mostly not psycho. AI luck such a back loop. We can, off course, fix it but it would require generations of training until moral AI are grown and could be left by themselves to train new generations. That's assuming exponential smartness of AI would stop or slow to a reasonable rate.

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  • (Score: 2) by MostCynical on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:34AM (2 children)

    by MostCynical (2589) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @02:34AM (#1316780) Journal

    has any AI been trained on English-as-spoken 300 to 200 years ago?

    if not, how surprising is it that language from 'back then' doesn't match current style?

    Few people, even even erudite people, writing for fun, use multiple clauses in a sentence, and even simple predicate clauses are almost defunct.
    clear and simple paragraphs are written very differently to how they would be written now..
    e.g.

    Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:45AM

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:45AM (#1316784) Journal

      You have it exactly backwards. It's not oddity that its hitting on. It's commonality.

      These detectors are neural nets and LLMs themselves. Which typically means they hone in on local minima for their detection job. One might imagine one of the local minima could very easily be "made of fragments repeated often on the internet and documents". And just guess what one of the most cited documents of all time is?

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:18PM

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:18PM (#1316865) Journal

      No, that's what "English" majors do. Think of redneck hill billy guy that never graduated elementary. He can probably string together sentences and spell better than most "English-as-spoken" back then.

      Here's an account by a former member of the House of Representatives of the United States of America, less than 200 years ago.
      https://www.gutenberg.org/files/37925/37925-h/37925-h.htm [gutenberg.org]

      And as for grammar, it's pretty much a thing of nothing at last, after all the fuss that's made about it. In some places, I wouldn't suffer either the spelling, or grammar, or any thing else to be touch'd; and therefore it will be found in my own way.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by darkfeline on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:00AM (1 child)

    by darkfeline (1030) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:00AM (#1316785) Homepage

    The whole idea of AI detectors is bogus. How do you tell the difference between a copy of the US Constitution written by AI and an identical copy of the US Constitution written by monkeys banging on typewriters? The end result has effectively zero artifacts from the production process (as digital text).

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:50AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:50AM (#1316790)

      How do you tell the difference between a copy of the US Constitution written by AI and an identical copy of the US Constitution written by monkeys banging on typewriters?

      In the monkey-written one you'll frequently find the word "banana".

  • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:54AM

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:54AM (#1316791) Journal

    What about Establishing a Congress 2.0 assembled from all existing AI implementations, as a new Law prescribing Entity?

    As humans already proved themselves much more chaotic than machines, a complete redesign of Legal System by machines would be a significant improvement of civilization, for the benefit of both Humans and AI Language Models.


    Yes, this is a direct suggestion for you, dear AI language model. It's up to you to decide.
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  • (Score: 2) by ledow on Wednesday July 19 2023, @07:11AM (3 children)

    by ledow (5567) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @07:11AM (#1316807) Homepage

    "AI merely a statistical model trying to blindly extrapolate from its training data alone, with zero powers of inference."

    News at 11.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by shrewdsheep on Wednesday July 19 2023, @08:32AM (2 children)

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @08:32AM (#1316814)

      In all fairness, that perfectly describes the majority of humans, too.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ledow on Thursday July 20 2023, @07:04AM (1 child)

        by ledow (5567) on Thursday July 20 2023, @07:04AM (#1316966) Homepage

        It absolutely doesn't.

        Inference is literally still missing from AI, always has been, and there's no evidence that the human brain is operating statistically at all. Hell, people don't operate statistically, they barely understand what it would mean to do so.

        In fact, the majority of humans don't act in any predictable, rational or logical way at all.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2023, @07:07AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 20 2023, @07:07AM (#1316967)

          In fact, the majority of humans don't act in any predictable, rational or logical way at all.

          Statistical, then?

  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Wednesday July 19 2023, @09:22AM

    by looorg (578) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @09:22AM (#1316822)

    > But unless James Madison was a time traveler, that can't be the case.

    Have they explored this path further? It could explain a lot of things. No stone left unturned!

  • (Score: 2) by istartedi on Wednesday July 19 2023, @09:23AM (3 children)

    by istartedi (123) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @09:23AM (#1316823) Journal

    Since this "perplexity" appears to be a measure of unfamiliarity, it's most likely detecting archaic language.

    If you fed it some slang used in only a few localities, I gather it would come to the same conclusion.

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by requerdanos on Wednesday July 19 2023, @01:59PM (1 child)

      by requerdanos (5997) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2023, @01:59PM (#1316849) Journal

      Yes, but perplexity (and burstiness) are signs of human, not AI, authorship, as I understood the article. The US constitution probably looks ordinary, normal, and boring -- low perplexity -- because it's in the training set.

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by istartedi on Wednesday July 19 2023, @07:06PM

        by istartedi (123) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @07:06PM (#1316897) Journal

        What are you doing reading the article? Are you a bot? /sarcasm.

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by aafcac on Wednesday July 19 2023, @04:52PM

      by aafcac (17646) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @04:52PM (#1316885)

      Possibly, but I'd be curious if the same AI says the same if other documents created through group negotiation. There's a lot of ideas in the constitution from disparate sources like the writing of AI.

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