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posted by janrinok on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the as-klaxons-sound-in-redmond dept.

The site It's FOSS is reporting that India's Defense Services are switching to GNU/Linux, ditching an insecure legacy operating system, with an August 15 deadline. Little is known about their home spun distro except that it seems to be based on Ubuntu.

What's Happening: According to a recent report, the Defence Ministry of India has decided to replace Windows with an in-house developed Linux distro called 'Maya' on all computers that are connected to the Internet.

Also reported at The Hindu, Defence Ministry to switch to locally built OS Maya amid threats, which explains that this move is a reaction to increasingly successful attacks against a certain, pervasive, desktop legacy operating system. x

Currently, Maya is being installed only in Defence Ministry systems and not on computers connected to the networks of the three Services. On this, the official said the three Services had also vetted it and would adopt it on service networks as well soon. The Navy had already cleared it and the Army and the Air Force were currently evaluating it, the official added.

Maya was developed by government development agencies within six months, the official said. Maya would prevent malware attacks and other cyberattacks which had seen a steep increase, the official noted.

However, the attacks in and of themselves are less of a problem than the fact that a large, and increasing, number of them are successful against that aging legacy desktop operating system.

For India to pull this off successfully, they must study how their opponent has maneuvered over the years against GNU/Linux deployments and in particular look at case studies like Kerala, Munich, Lower Saxony, Vaasa, and Turku. India's opponent in this move has had many programmes, years ago one was EDGI, and a long standing mandate that "under NO circumstances lose against Linux".

Previously:
(2018) German Documentary on Relations Between Microsoft and Public Administration Now Available in English
(2018) German State of Lower Saxony Plans to Switch From Linux to Windows
(2017) Munich Switching From Linux to Windows 10
(2017) Linux Champion Munich Takes Decisive Step Towards Returning to Windows
(2016) Draft Report Doesn't Say -Which- Software is Causing Problems in Munich
(2016) Munich: The High Cost of Having Committed to Closed-Source Software
(2014) Another German Town Says It Has Completed Its Switch To FOSS


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Another German Town Says It Has Completed Its Switch To FOSS 13 comments

The European Union's interoperability site reports:

The German town of Gummersbach, a city of about 50,000 in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia, announced that this Summer it has completed its switch to Linux PCs, retiring a decade-old proprietary operating system no longer supported by the IT vendor. The migration has saved the town a five-figure sum, and Gummersbach expects a further reduction of IT costs: a combination of savings on proprietary [licenses] and lower hardware costs.

Using Linux has reduced the need for PC maintenance, freeing 1 full-time equivalent employee (FTE). The IT department now employs three persons.

In August, the city sent a statement to Pro Linux, a German Linux news site, announcing the completion of the migration project and detailing its current desktop PC policy. [October 7], the city made the same statement available to the Open Source Observatory and Repository (OSOR).

The administration now uses 300 thin client PCs, with desktop and applications [retrieved from] a SuSE Linux Terminal Server cluster of six servers. The desktop environment is MATE. The city staffers use the LibreOffice suite of office productivity tools and the Open-Xchange suite of email, instant messaging, calendaring, and online collaboration tools.

Some departments use Wollmux, an open source tool for managing forms and document templates developed by the German city of Munich.

The Linux desktops can access a number of business application that depend on a proprietary operating system, by using a combination of proprietary desktop virtualisation solutions. Gummersbach retains 25 PCs running a proprietary operating system, a requirement for applications used by the Civil Service desk, and for computer aided design software in use by the town.

[Update: Corrected spelling of Gummersbach and updated link thereto.]

Munich: The High Cost of Having Committed to Closed-Source Software 50 comments

Munich still uses 41 proprietary apps that will only run under XP or 2000. The city has estimated it will cost $18M to replace them over a 4-year span.

Nick Heath at TechRepublic reports

Windows XP and 2000 are used by fewer than 1,500 of the more than 16,000 staff at the council, which relies on the aged Microsoft systems to run 41 applications.

[...] In order to stop using Windows XP and 2000, these 41 applications will either be migrated to a newer, supported operating system, replaced with more modern software, or phased out--as part of a four year project costing €16.6M ($18.03M).

[...] Munich carried on using XP and 2000 due to these 41 applications being used for crucial work in the city, from monitoring emissions for air pollution to flood protection.

To secure the OSes, Munich ran them on virtual machines and on standalone computers, as well as using what it calls "restrictive data interchange", quarantine systems, and additional protective measures.

The council has decided to stop using these older unsupported versions of Windows now as, not only are they a security risk, but according to a report [PDF, Deutsch] they have limited support for network and data security features the council wants to use.

[...] Often it can be the case that organisations can't update the application to run on a newer OS because the people with the necessary skills are gone or the company that originally wrote the software no longer exists.

[...] The project at Munich will be split into two phases: The first will assess the work needed and the second will carry it out. Work got underway at the end of [2015] and is expected to be complete by the end of September 2019.


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Draft Report Doesn't Say -Which- Software is Causing Problems in Munich 18 comments

Nick Heath reports via TechRepublic

Munich city council spent years migrating more than 15,000 staff to LiMux, a custom-version of Ubuntu and other open-source software--a move the city said had saved it more than €10M ($11M).

[...] After his election, the new mayor of Munich, Dieter Reiter, announced he would commission a report to evaluate how IT should be run at council in [the] future--including whether the authority should continue to run LiMux.

Now, an interim release of this report[PDF, Deutsch] by consultants Accenture has highlighted user dissatisfaction with outdated and unreliable software. However, when detailing the problems with desktop PCs, the draft report fails to specify whether it's Linux-based machines that are affected or the minority Windows PCs retained at Munich.

[...] Problems stem from the variety of PC clients being used, and the use of old operating systems, office software, browsers, and infrastructure, according to the report. The report cites evidence of these IT problems causing intermittent, rather than persistent problems for staff. When employees at Munich were surveyed last year, 85 percent said software problems interfered with their work at least once per month, with 55 percent blaming hardware problems. The council has previously stated the bulk of users had no issue with the move to LiMux, outside of a couple of councillors.

For my part, I wonder how objective the report will be. From Wikipedia:

Avanade Inc. was founded in 2000 as a joint venture between Accenture and
Microsoft

Additionally, Munich declared the conversion "complete" at 94 percent (though they have continued to inch forward away from non-open software). A major reason for starting the switch in the first place was because they had a mix of software that was unnecessarily difficult to manage.

Previous: Munich Reveals Preliminary Costs for a 'Return' to Windows


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Linux Champion Munich Takes Decisive Step Towards Returning to Windows 51 comments

The city will investigate how long it will take and how much it will cost to build a Windows 10 client ahead of a vote on whether to replace its Linux-based OS from 2021.

A decade ago, Munich was at the vanguard of a movement towards open-source software, switching thousands of staff to Linux from Windows at a time when a move on that scale was almost unheard of.

After spending nine years and millions of euros on the project, today the city's politicians agreed to begin preparing to return to Windows by 2021.

Under a proposal backed by the general council, the administration will investigate how long it will take and how much it will cost to build a Windows 10 client for use by the city's employees.

Once this work is complete, the council will vote again on whether to replace LiMux, a custom version of the Linux-based OS Ubuntu, across the authority from 2021.

Source: Linux champion Munich takes decisive step towards returning to Windows

Before the decision: Statement by The Document Foundation about the upcoming discussion

Linux's Munich crisis: Crunch vote locks city on course for Windows return

Previous: No, Munich Isn't About To Ditch Free Software and Move Back to Windows


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Munich Switching From Linux to Windows 10 54 comments

Munich is ditching Linux in favor of Windows 10, at a cost of €49.3 million:

The Linux love affair of the German City of Munich, which decided to favor Linux in 2003, is finally over. The city has officially cleared the plan to bring back Windows 10 on about 29,000 PCs.

In 2003, when the city decided to switch to a Linux-based desktop called LiMux and other open source software, it showed that free software could be used on a large scale. However, things didn't turn out the way they were planned.

Coming back to the recent development, the politicians who supported the switch said that Windows 10 will make it easier to source compatible application and drivers, according to TechRepublic.

[...] Linux enthusiasts should also note that the city's IT Chief has previously said that any concrete technical reason doesn't back the move; it's all politics.

Also at Engadget.

Previously: No, Munich Isn't About To Ditch Free Software and Move Back to Windows
Munich Reveals Preliminary Costs for a 'Return' to Windows
Linux Champion Munich Takes Decisive Step Towards Returning to Windows


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German Documentary on Relations Between Microsoft and Public Administration Now Available in English 22 comments

A French Free Software organization, April, has announced that a German Documentary from the ARD, "The Microsoft Cyber Attack" has been released in English thanks to Deutsche Welle (DW). It is an informative and objective film about the inappropriate relations between a certain infamous corporation and the various public administrations. The documentary first aired on February 19th, 2018 by the German public broadcaster (ARD).

In May 2017, hundreds of thousands of computers running Microsoft Windows operating systems were disabled by the WannaCry cyber attack. How could a single malware program simultaneously cripple companies, hospitals and even government intelligence services all around the globe? Microsoft Windows software programs proved to be their common Achilles heel. Companies and private individuals use software from Microsoft. Government and public administrations from Helsinki to Lisbon run it, too. That makes all of them vulnerable to attacks from hackers and spies. Microsoft Window's dominance also undermines European procurement legislation, impedes technological progress and costs Europe a bundle. Journalist Harald Schumann and his team of Investigate Europe researchers have spoken with insiders and administrators from all across the continent. The German government's former IT director, Martin Schallbruch, tells us how countries are becoming increasingly dependent on Microsoft. A legal expert from the Netherlands describes how the European Commission and governments are breaking European laws regulating public tenders. Hamburg's data protection commissioner, Johannes Caspar, warns that Microsoft Windows systems expose individuals' private data to the prying eyes of US intelligence services. Internal documents show that Germany's Federal Office for Information Security (BSI) suspects this, too. The European Parliament and the German parliament have responded by repeatedly demanding that government IT systems be converted to open source software. Their source codes can be accessed freely and copied at will, which would enable European security services to use, alter and monitor them. Italy's army is going open source, as have police in France, Lithuania, and in the cities of Rome and Barcelona. Why do most governments resist the alternatives, or fall back into Microsoft's clutches, as Munich city authorities did. The EU's Commissioner for the Digital Single Market, Andrus Ansip, and other key players have the answers.

The video itself, « The Microsoft Cyber Attack », is available at Youtube and is about 43 minutes long.


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German State of Lower Saxony Plans to Switch From Linux to Windows 85 comments

Another German state plans switch back from Linux to Windows

The German state of Lower Saxony plans to follow Munich's example, and migrate a reported 13,000 users from Linux back to Windows.

Apparently undaunted by the cost of the Munich switch (which we reported in January could be as much as €100m), Lower Saxony is considering making the change in its tax office. The state seems to expect a much cheaper transition, with Heise (in German here) reporting the first-year budget is €5.9m, and another €7m further out.

The tax office argues its decision is driven by compatibility: field workers and teleworkers overwhelmingly use Windows, while the OpenSUSE variants are installed on its office workstations. The office workstations are also ageing and due for replacement, something that helped open the door for Windows.

Related: Linux Champion Munich Takes Decisive Step Towards Returning to Windows
Munich Switching From Linux to Windows 10
German Documentary on Relations Between Microsoft and Public Administration Now Available in English


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  • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:33PM (1 child)

    by Gaaark (41) on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:33PM (#1320093) Journal

    "under NO circumstances lose against Linux"

    Gads... they'd have to pay me BIG BUCKS to drop linux and go back to Microsoft products.

    But good for India for being smarter than your average bear.

    Persevere!

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    --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Saturday August 12 2023, @06:57PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 12 2023, @06:57PM (#1320110) Journal

      they'd have to pay me BIG BUCKS to drop linux

      If you are high profile enough, Microsoft will do exactly that. https://itsfoss.com/munich-linux-failure/ [itsfoss.com]

      Microsoft’s continual fight to win Munich back

      Back in 2003, when discussions were ongoing in Munich to opt for Linux, then Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer (infamous for calling Linux cancer) offered a 90% discount on all Windows licenses. Though the duration of the discounted license is not clear. Was it for one year, 2 years, 5 years?

      In 2013, when Munich announced that it saved more than 10 million Euro with the switch to Linux, Microsoft claimed that Munich would have saved more than 40 million Euro had it stayed with Windows XP and MS Office.

      The basis of this claim was a study done by HP and financed by none other than Microsoft itself. This Microsoft propaganda was quickly called out by a number of Linux publications and independent bloggers. Interestingly, Microsoft never made this so-called study public.

      One of the rumors, I cannot confirm it, behind Munich going back to Microsoft is that Microsoft agreed to move its German headquarter to Munich. Microsoft moved its headquarter to Munich last year.

      I remember reading a couple articles about Microsoft funding the mayor's campaign, but apparently, that's all been swept under the rug, and/or tossed into the internet black hole. I'm finding no hits on my searches now.

      But, yes, if you're high profile enough to help to sway public opinion, Microsoft will throw billions at you, to get you to switch from Linux to MS. Key to that problem, is to elect incorruptible decision makers.

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      Alternative für Deutschland
  • (Score: 4, Informative) by RedGreen on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:38PM (5 children)

    by RedGreen (888) on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:38PM (#1320094)

    to the club I gave up on that garbage OS over twenty-four years ago earlier this year. Though I have enjoyed all the money made from the rubes who continue to use it, thanks for that one Microsoft, the gift that keeps giving and giving and giving to every hacker on the planet.

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    "Cervantes definitely was prescient in describing a senile Don fighting against windmills." -- larryjoe on /.
    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:45PM (4 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:45PM (#1320096) Journal

      I'm about the same timeline: what did you start with?

      I started with a box set of Redhat 5.2(if memory serves), then went to Mandrake (6.0?)

      Yeah: definitely glad i got that bad monkey off my back.

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      --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by turgid on Saturday August 12 2023, @05:27PM

        by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 12 2023, @05:27PM (#1320106) Journal

        I went pure Slackware in 1997.

      • (Score: 2) by RedGreen on Saturday August 12 2023, @06:21PM

        by RedGreen (888) on Saturday August 12 2023, @06:21PM (#1320108)

        "I'm about the same timeline: what did you start with?

        I started with a box set of Redhat 5.2(if memory serves), then went to Mandrake (6.0?)"

        Same here an "upgrade" to Win 98SE left my Awe64 Gold sound card only able to play a midi file no sound from anything else downgrading did not to solve it. Installed the 5.2 I bought at local computer shop ran sndconfig put in the I/O and DMA settings and had sound that was the last of that junk on my computer. Moved to the Mandrake too after that, then onto the Debian 3.0 Woody been running on that ever since. Still have the retail box and disks in a closet sitting there, it was only couple of years ago I got rid of the Celeron 300 and that sound card that it ran on.

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        "Cervantes definitely was prescient in describing a senile Don fighting against windmills." -- larryjoe on /.
      • (Score: 1) by atwork on Monday August 14 2023, @02:52AM (1 child)

        by atwork (34426) on Monday August 14 2023, @02:52AM (#1320216)

        Looks like Redhat 5.2 and then Mandrake was pretty common - #metoo.

        Back then we did have to fiddle with X-windows config files, but even though it's over 15 years since I've looked at one it's still a meme for the shills :(

        • (Score: 2) by canopic jug on Monday August 14 2023, @05:40AM

          by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Monday August 14 2023, @05:40AM (#1320225) Journal

          Red Hat 5.2 was quite common, and good to have, because not only did it more or less work, it was available as boxed software including a book and a CD at many university book stores. Thus it was easy to get and got a lot of people going.

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          Money is not free speech. Elections should not be auctions.
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:42PM

    by Gaaark (41) on Saturday August 12 2023, @02:42PM (#1320095) Journal

    http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/EDGI [techrights.org]

    No monopolistic practices here. Nope.

    Uh-uh.

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    --- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Mojibake Tengu on Saturday August 12 2023, @04:24PM (2 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Saturday August 12 2023, @04:24PM (#1320104) Journal

    Microsoft losing the global market was inevitable and easily predictable for more than a year. The last drop was:

    https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2022/03/04/microsoft-suspends-russia-sales-ukraine-conflict/ [microsoft.com]

    It only took some time for others observing if U.S. sanctions are real risk to anyone disobedient or rhetorical scarecrow only.

    Virtue signalling does not apply well in international law paradigm. In a real world, pragmatism wins over wordy virtues at any level.

    It's not fatal to Microsoft, though MS will left staying marginalized on U.S. market only, just like Apple is.

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    The kinder you are, the easier it is for wicked people to morally coerce you.
    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Frosty Piss on Saturday August 12 2023, @11:55PM

      by Frosty Piss (4971) on Saturday August 12 2023, @11:55PM (#1320122)

      Except in this case, like many others, they are probably just looking for a heavy discount from Microsoft.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 14 2023, @02:36AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 14 2023, @02:36AM (#1320213)

      Well, we extended our weeniewagging to sanctions on the SWIFT international banking system. I think we just lost the world's trust in the American Dollar as the world reserve currency. We don't even print them that much anymore...we just ledger them into existence through legislation. Then we note "inflation" without holding the ones who are counterfeiting unworked-for currency into existence accountable.

      Even if I knew the answer, it wouldn't do any good. Not enough people are hurt badly enough to stand up to the people doing this to them.

      American Government wants CBDC ( Central Bank Digital Currency ) that grants the banker absolute control, reporting, and confiscation, of any monetary assets.

      I get the strong idea that the rest of the world is going to clamp down on America's spendthrift habit of "extending the debt ceiling" as the way of compelling everyone else to pay our debt.

      Something is going to have to reset somewhere.

      Way too many of us consume, but produce only misery for others. Rent-seeking gone amok.

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