https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2023/11/major-critic-of-x-sues-after-being-banned-from-platform/
X has banned the account of a prominent critic after he published data that he claims exposed the site's embrace of the far-right after Elon Musk's takeover last year.
Travis Brown, a software developer based in Berlin, alleges his account was first suspended on July 1 this year, several months after his data formed the basis of New York Times and CNN reports claiming that far-right influencers featured prominently among Twitter Blue subscribers, and how thousands of previously banned X accounts, including members of the far-right, were being reinstated on the site.
On Tuesday, Brown announced his decision to challenge his account's suspension in court in Berlin. "This is a matter of principle," he says. "I think it is important that platforms like Twitter are not allowed to shut down criticism arbitrarily." X did not reply to repeated requests for comment.
[...]
The legal proceedings in Germany are ongoing. For Ballon, the best case scenario would be if the court reinstates Brown's account again or rules the block to be unlawful. The worst outcome would be if the court declines to rule on the case because X's European Union headquarters are based in Ireland. HateAid is asking the European Commission to intervene using the Digital Services Act, a new rulebook that went into effect in August and is designed to protect freedom of expression online.
The best case is, if his account is reinstated?!?
(Score: 5, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Monday November 06 2023, @05:43PM (141 children)
>it is important that platforms like Twitter are not allowed to shut down criticism arbitrarily." X did not reply to repeated requests for comment.
Faux News, Mother Jones, Daily Mail, MSNBC...
https://www.rochester.edu/newscenter/study-of-headlines-shows-media-bias-growing-563502/ [rochester.edu]
More important than controlling X is exposing them for what they are. A high profile lawsuit is a good way to get media coverage.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by khallow on Monday November 06 2023, @05:50PM (136 children)
(Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 06 2023, @06:22PM (39 children)
But, Khallow! How can you possibly be so obtuse? CENSORSHIP IS ONLY GOOD WHEN THE LEFT IS DOING IT!!! /sarcasm
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Funny) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @01:20AM (38 children)
Get a load of Captain Book Ban, over here.
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:14AM (37 children)
And, you're being obtuse, in your turn. There is no book ban. Parents and grandparents have a voice in what their children should be reading. Politicians do not have a (valid) voice. We don't want gay smut in elementary schools, we aren't going to allow you to spend our tax dollars on gay smut in elementary schools. If you want gay smut, go buy it on your own dime. If you want your children to have gay smut, go buy it for them. There is no book ban.
But, you know that already. You're just taking another dig because I'm not some queer woke son of a bitch.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Informative) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:56AM (8 children)
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:33AM (7 children)
Exactly the same as I would call for jail time for outsiders entering and disrupting a school. Exactly the same. In the case of these particular books, they are disruptive. The taxpayers didn't request these books for their children, instead outsiders sneaked them into the schools contrary to the wishes of parents and taxpayers.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:49AM (6 children)
I could dust off an argument you love to use, like the one about who gets to choose what is banned. Or any other argument you've made to defend the second amendment would probably work to defend the first. Shiny heavy metal is more fun than letting people you don't like speak their mind, right?
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @06:57AM (5 children)
I insist that when the target audience consists of children, then parents have the final word, and the taxpayers have a big say as well. The gay movement has no place in elementary schools. The whole thing is just grooming the next generation of sex objects. Of course, Epstein and company would approve.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:42PM (4 children)
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @06:51PM (3 children)
I'm against nanny states, yes.
I am all for nanny schools, especially for children in nurseries, preschool, kindergarten, and elementary schools. At the junior high school level, THEN children need less nanny, and more education, and they can begin making less consequential decisions for themselves. By the time they get into high school, they should be making more consequential decisions. At age 18, they should be prepared to make all decisions for themselves.
So, no nanny state, but nanny schools instead.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:14PM (2 children)
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(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:36PM (1 child)
Trespass can get you put into jail. Speeding can get you put in jail. Talking loudly in some places can get you put in jail. Perhaps more relevantly, indecent exposure can get you put in jail. Don't expose your perversions to little children. That includes publishing your perversions in book form, then placing those books into little children's libraries.
Get over it. Normal people don't want that smut in their kid's libraries.
Ever heard of democracy? Don't you like the way democracy works? Or, you only like democracy when it works the way you want it to work?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:21PM
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(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday November 07 2023, @02:30PM (10 children)
Why not? Surely that is for the parents of EACH child to decide what their children read. And it has nothing at all to do with grandparents. Once your children are adults they have their own lives to lead. It is not your place to tell them what they should do or want any more. You had all their childhood for that purpose. If they haven't turned out the way you hoped they would perhaps you didn't do as good a job of raising them as you imagined however, your chance is over unless they ask for your advice.
What you might call smut others might see as acknowledgement that same sex couples exist, they have children, and they raise them as decent people. You simply don't want those people to have a say, so you remove ALL the books that you don't like without regard for what others might think or want.
If you mean pornography then you might have a (debatable) point - but that is not what you wrote. You want to dictate what other parents should want and accept for their child's education. I do not see that as being fair or democratic.
If education uses government funding then the government does have the right to ensure that it is spent for the purpose for which it was intended and for the benefit of all pupils - not just the ones with bigoted parents. The level of control that you seek is where private schools find their niche. Did your children go to private school?
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:23PM (9 children)
Such parents can give their children accounts on smuttube, or wherever. Each parent can indeed make that decision for their own child. It doesn't belong in school.
How can you be so out of touch? This is 2023. Today's parents still live at home with THEIR parents. Grandma is still working at age 70, because her children can't support themselves. As head of household, you bet your ass Grandma has a voice in the children's education.
So you concede the point: Depictions of children giving head to other children and/or adults have no place in school. I have linked to exactly that in the past, but for whatever reason, you seemed to think it appropriate for pre-pubescent elementary school children. You're beginning to come around.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:47PM (8 children)
I conceded nothing. You said 'smut' not pornography. I even flagged it up for you. But referring to same sex couples is NOT smut nor pornography but still you think it is unacceptable.
Can we still talk about frogs laying spawn, and then the emergence of tadpoles? I assume sexual reproduction in animals is still OK? Well, I have some news for you. We are animals too. And some children mature at different times to others. Let other parents with their child's teachers decide what is appropriate for their children. You are responsible for your own - but nobody else's.
Some people maybe - certainly not the majority here in Europe. So you are not even boss in your own house, or is it theirs? And as a grandparent I would not interfere with the way my children decide to raise their own offspring unless I was asked for advice. I am living my own life, I let them live theirs.
Good night Jim Bob, er, sorry Runaway.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @06:46PM (7 children)
There are zero prohibitions regarding teaching children about reproduction. Your question in disingenuous. The issue at hand is training children to be predisposed toward homosexuality, gender transformation, and to reject their obvious binary sexual identities. Child grooming.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:44PM (6 children)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:58PM (5 children)
I most certainly do have the same zeal when mass murderers walk into gun free zones to kill a bunch of random people, that they usually don't even know. Blame lawmakers for creating these target rich zones, filled with defenseless people. Blame law enforcement for failing to follow up on tips, and failing to act when there is good, solid evidence of a potential event. Blame Soros-funded prosecutors for cutting criminals loose to act out again. Blame progressives for undermining the constitutional right to self defense.
I've got a good vidya for you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qita6pTMUHk [youtube.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:26PM
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday November 08 2023, @05:40AM (3 children)
We call them 'schools' - not target rich zones. No other civilised country has this problem. Children go to school to be educated, not to be targets for somebody who seeks their 5 minutes of infamy.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:25PM
Russia has had this problem, china has the problem of school stabbings. It's happened in several European countries. The US also doesn't have teachers beheaded like in France.
When there is this kind of thing in other countries, the media doesn't talk about it 24/7 it usually falls out of the news cycle really fast. They minimize that 5 minutes of infamy and so it's much more rare.
Afghanistan, pakistan, mexico.. with complete proliferation of weapons, even heavy weapons had less than the US. Australia had one this year. No great fanfare for the killer though, you probably never even knew about it.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @02:34PM (1 child)
A: The shooter sees a "target rich zone". Doesn't matter what you call it.
B: Depending on which state you happen to be in, target rich zones include schools, colleges, and universities, courthouses, any public service venue, churches, any business open to the public including grocery stores and restaurants, and the auto mechanic shop.
The objective is always to disarm the people, making them defenseless against the madman.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Wednesday November 08 2023, @10:36PM
ftfy.
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(Score: 2) by TheReaperD on Thursday November 09 2023, @07:00AM (16 children)
There are no 'Parents' and 'Grandparents', Mom's for Liberty is a political right wing extremist group with direct ties to the far-right GOP, the Proud Boys (a Neo-fascist organization, a.k.a. Neo-Nazi's), and an anti-LGBTQ+ hate group called Gays Against Groomers [wikipedia.org]. Mom's for Liberty, Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]; NPR [npr.org]. Their newsletters have been caught quoting Hitler on more than one occasion and quoted Nazi Germany propaganda line for line multiple times! Associated Press" [apnews.com] Any BS about them being a mom and pop grassroots group is an utter lie. They're a right-wing extremist group that were started with the backing of GOP extremists.
If you were supporting them, you need to take a good long look at who you're backing. The the same kind of people that supported the Holocaust and the far less reported millions of murders of gays, transsexuals, and other 'undesirables.' The Proud Boys are well known for their antisemitism, including holocaust denial and wearing slogans like “6MWE” (stands for '6 million wasn't enough', in other words, saying the Nazi's should have killed more Jews) and they've been to peaceful LGBTQ+ rallies and drag races to start violence. If you find you're not OK with this, it's time to re-evaluate your life choices and who you support. If you find you're OK with this, might as well brand yourself proud, like Charles Manson, so decent people know to stay far away from you.
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @01:01PM (15 children)
Oh, wow. Wikipedia says it, it must be true! And, SPLC is on board, so that cinches it!
The Hitler quote? Oh well - sometimes conservative millenials aren't much smarter than their progressive counterparts. But, can anyone deny the truth of the quote? Seriously, progressives understand and agree with the quote, or they wouldn't be working so hard to infiltrate the schools with their socialist bullshit.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @05:03PM (14 children)
Heh. Look at all that twistin' and turnin' you're doin' because you opted for a Nanny State. I even pointed out to you recently that they don't represent you. Am I still wrong?
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @07:43PM (13 children)
Stupid people don't often represent me, or my views - but even a Democrat can be right once in awhile.
Oh, here's a vidya you might enjoy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65aWHp40Pa8 [youtube.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @08:21PM (12 children)
This was on the topic of banning books in schools. The group that pushed that ban, the same one that apologized for quoting Hitler, did your dirty work for you. Did they represent you?
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:06PM (11 children)
So, some millenials found a Hitler quote that they thought supported their views. They ran with it. Did those millenials understand who they were quoting, and what context the quoted material was used in? I don't know. Sounds like some ignorant young people being edgy. Is there evidence that they subscribe to other Nazi views? Or, is it a case of '1 strike and you're out' here?
Face it Tork, we've had about a decade now of leftist/liberal/progressive fuckwits accusing everyone right of Stalin of being "literally Hitler". Here you are accusing some stupid people of being Nazis. You got real evidence that they are Nazis, or neo-Nazis, or "far right", or "alt-right", or "extremists", or anything else?
I insist that sane, rational people have every reason to reject the indoctrination of our youth that the left wants to force on them.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:12PM (10 children)
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:16PM (9 children)
This is getting boring, and even tiring. In this one instance, yes, they seem to have represented my views, despite the fact they bungled the presentation, badly.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:21PM (8 children)
Great, remember you said that the next time you wander around the place to avoid answering a direct question.
Thank you. Next question- Why did you describe their efforts as democracy? Did they call a vote?
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:43PM (7 children)
Geez, that's a hard one. Did democratically elected officials act upon their requests, or did this group go around and burn books in every Florida school, on their own authority? Are you suggesting that DeSantis is not a democratically elected official, who purportedly represents the class of people in Florida known as "parents"? I will suggest here, that DeSantis did the job he was elected to do. Lobbyists or not, porn in school is wrong. Deviant indoctrination of prepubescent children is wrong.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/08/desantis-plays-graphic-video-of-pornographic-books-found-in-florida-schools/ [nypost.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:57PM (6 children)
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:59PM (5 children)
Do you anticipate a grass roots movement to re-introduce that explicit material into elementary schools? I think that's going to be a hard sell. Right up there with roasting babies for breakfast. It might fly in Lebanon, where Hamas rules.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @09:59PM
Ooops. s/Lebanon/Palestine/
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @10:07PM (3 children)
You might wanna adjust your mirrors, the first amendment likes to hide in your blind spot.
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(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 09 2023, @10:10PM (2 children)
Let me be clear: pornographic material in elementary schools is WRONG. I've allowed that it might be less wrong in junior high, and even less wrong in high school. But, no matter how right, or how wrong, taxpayers shouldn't be paying for anyone's porn. I've had enough of this ridiculous nonsense.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Troll) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @10:16PM (1 child)
That's okay I got my answer: this was never about democracy, you just wanted to pretend you weren't cheerleading Cancel Culture.
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(Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday November 09 2023, @11:47PM
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(Score: 5, Informative) by helel on Monday November 06 2023, @07:25PM (20 children)
You got a source for Mr Brown "demanding widespread censorship?" Article only talks about him researching social media, not advocating for anything in particular other than his own continued ability to do so.
(Score: 4, Informative) by khallow on Monday November 06 2023, @08:18PM (7 children)
Here [github.com] and here [hateaid.org]. The first link is to a project for finding links from accounts that were evading pre-Musk Twitter permabans. The second complains about right-wing extremists "spreading hate and disinformation unhindered" with the obvious implication that he wants some hindering.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by helel on Monday November 06 2023, @10:18PM (6 children)
So you have a link to some of Mr Browns work - He does social media research so of course he's got tools to do that - and to a group of people talking about the case, none of whom are Mr Brown. Good links. Very relevent.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @02:25AM (5 children)
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:03AM (4 children)
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(Score: 3, Disagree) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:54AM (3 children)
In other words, he's attempting to push Twitter to enforce an existing censorship scheme. Checks the box for me.
Note the following from the second link:
It's not hard to see what they're implying here. How can one hinder speech without censorship? How can one take "consistent action against hate and disinformation"?
This is not a surprise when you figure out that he started by protesting Twitter/X's restoration of accounts that had been blocked or banned in the pre-Musk era. Protesting the removal of existing censorship is an example of someone is demanding said censorship. And given how terribly vague the targets are here, that backs up my assertion that it's widespread as well.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:31AM (1 child)
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(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @02:29PM
Rules and mean words seems enough for me. It's pro-censorship on the very thin grounds of "hate and disinformation". We need to ban this guy for the children.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:30PM
See.. that's [D]ifferent though. When it's others' controvertial speech it's "hatespeech" and "disinformation" so it must be banned. When it's things you agree with, it's then "censorship" and must be stopped in the name of "tolerance" and "freedom".
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2023, @08:37PM (11 children)
Brown isn't pursuing action against Facebook, now is he? He's focusing on X. He's focusing on every individual who is routinely censored on woke platforms. What's more, he is relying on German law. German law, which goes to fascist lengths to prove they are no longer fascist after losing their fascist campaign of world domination in the 1930s and 40s.
As for https://hateaid.org/en/ [hateaid.org] they are up in arms that a lot more censorship isn't taking place. None of the social media censors enough in their opinion.
Oh yeah - #warmonger
(Score: 4, Touché) by helel on Monday November 06 2023, @10:21PM (10 children)
So far as I'm aware he hasn't been banned by Facebook. It would be weird for him to fight a ban that doesn't exist. As for acting in Germany, is employing the law in the country you are in a problem now? Is everyone expected to go to some other country before they're allowed to engage with the courts?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2023, @11:20PM (9 children)
When the issue is 'Freedom of Speech', one might want to avoid filing suit in countries that don't actually have freedom of speech. As I said, Germany uses fascist means to control fascist speech, in an attempt to atone for and/or forget their former fascist masters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:40AM (8 children)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:23AM (7 children)
https://www.news18.com/explainers/rise-of-anti-semitism-in-germany-why-tough-german-laws-failed-to-combat-anti-semitism-explained-8643831.html [news18.com]
Working or not, the laws are on the books. Germans do not have freedom of speech, or freedom of expression. Shall we not glorify German law? If you won't defend the right of people to make speech that you despise, then you don't really believe in freedom of speech.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:56AM
It's worth noting that hate speech laws were on the books in the Wiemar Republic in the 1920s and 1930s. They didn't work then either.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Tuesday November 07 2023, @02:42PM (5 children)
You don't believe that some people should be able to read some books - your stand for free speech is misplaced.
So you think that we should all be allowed to glorify the Nazi rule? Pity you cannot ask the Americans who lie on the beaches of Normandy or the battlefields of Europe. They would be pleased to know that they gaves their lives in vain.
Germany accepts the horrific mistakes that were made in their name and has done much to atone for them. It does not want another generation to ever make the same mistakes again. They are not taking books away from children though.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:16PM (4 children)
So, you think the best parenting strategy is a permissive hands off approach? If parents can't tell children what they should read, what they should eat, where they should go, then what are parents for? Parents don't want the queer communities in our nurseries, grooming our pre-pubescent children.
Wow. You get to narrowly define the reasons Americans fought in your European war. Those dead soldiers and sailors didn't have the option of fighting to uphold the values stated in the US constitution. They didn't have the option of defending freedom. They didn't have the option of stopping an enemy of freedom "over there" before they had to fight them here at home. You get to decide that they all died to "defeat nazism", then to throttle German's freedom of speech. Got it. Word for the day is 'Hubris', brought to you by the letter 'H'. Maybe you can make those decisions for Brits and/or for Euros, but Americans have/had their own reasons for doing whatever they have done.
The fact is, Germans do not enjoy the Freedom of Speech that Americans enjoy. None of you across the pond have our Bill of Rights, incuding the 1st Amendment. Any of you can be bundled off to jail for voicing an opinion that the Pohtabians dislike. Please spell 'Orwellian' for fifty points.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:38PM (3 children)
No, you have all their childhood to raise them however you wish. I said that quite clearly. You do NOT have the right to tell other parents how to raise their own children. Let them make their own decisions.
So you have to fall back on the old 'grooming' claim now. We were discussing book bans. But you are losing that argument in so many threads here that now you are moving the goalposts. Being homophobic is not good you know.
I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @06:42PM (2 children)
Here, I'll observe that you are being obtuse. I have already stated that parents who WANT their children to be exposed to pornographic material can provide that material to the child at home. No one is examining home libraries, digital or otherwise.
Are we to pretend that there is not a cultural revolution, and that the left wants to decide what all children must be exposed to?
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Funny) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:47PM
Runaway, we get enough people on the internet who just insist. Make a case that this is going on. Perhaps another journal entry to warm us this long, cold winter?
(Score: 2, Touché) by Tork on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:30AM
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2023, @07:53PM (69 children)
Instead of obsessing over Twitter, study why far right ideology is so popular, and try to remedy that. Censorship is a tool of tyrants
(Score: 1, Insightful) by DadaDoofy on Monday November 06 2023, @08:33PM (68 children)
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2023, @09:09PM (1 child)
Those people aren't "left". They are far-right also, as is all authority, by definition. It is a turf war amongst tyrants.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:35PM
On the next episode of everyone I don't like is "far right".
Even I have the ability to see that most of the "left" doesn't really hold up the ideals of the left. They just parrot the words, but in reality are one thing that isn't confined to the "far right"; they're authoritarians.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bussdriver on Monday November 06 2023, @10:58PM (7 children)
The majority have become simpletons. Subtle details and reason are dead. There is a big difference between some woke freaks canceling a nazi and them wanting to cancel somebody they dislike and disagree with; like Twitter or "conservatives" banning people they dislike. The "conservatives" are THE cancel culture for all of human history. Irony is dead too.
Fascists do not need to be helped; they shouldn't be allowed to. Fringe can work in the dark around the edges like they've always done but now we've empowered them... and shouldn't be.
I'll stop calling Twitter by it's name when I give in to everybody's preferred pronouns.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 06 2023, @11:23PM (6 children)
Errrr, no. If you won't protect speech that you find repugnant, then you don't really believe in free speech.
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:44AM (4 children)
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:29AM (2 children)
What are you even talking about? The Dems are the ones who installed a Resident into the White House without the support of the American people. That's why Dems are so desperate to convict Trump of something, anything. They can only legitimize their stolen election by turning Trump into a convict and a pariah.
And, remember, I DON'T EVEN LIKE TRUMP!!! I'm Independent, remember? Trump is a royal ass. He has said some things I like, he has said a lot more that I don't like. Trump doesn't represent the common man, any more than Obiden does. As big a shithead as Trump is, he's still a better man than Obama's protege. Better a royal ass, than the petty tyrant your side has installed.
Oh yeah - let's surge the border again. No one on the left can understand how treasonous your boy is. Also, let's be sure to sent another 10 or 20 billion to the great money laundromat in Ukraine.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:48AM (1 child)
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 2) by Tork on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:53AM
Yeah, gee, what could I possibly be talking about that would make someone use a medley of rightwing frothiness as a crude form of rebuttal?
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:38PM
Oh no! January 6th! What a revolution. ThE eND oF DeMoCrACY!
Hundreds of thousands of palestinian supporters chanting a genocidal chant, supporting literal terrorism, fighting with cops and assaulting the white house.
That's just the voice of the "unheard".
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:07PM
We protect it right here.
And when we hear people lie their asses off about how they're going to protect it over there, then do the opposite, we call them out for it.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @01:45AM (55 children)
As I recall that was over your like-minded buddies being violent. Funny how you lot go out of your way to leave out that detail when describing it later.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:34AM (41 children)
Violent? Is that violent speech? Digital violent? Microagressions that no one can define except those aggressed against?
The violence I remember was endorsed by the Dem party in Portland.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:14AM (40 children)
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:35AM (39 children)
What violence? No one was killed at the Capitol, except that ditzy broad trying to climb through a transom into the House floor. So, where was the violence? If you can condemn what happened at the Capitol as violence, then you must condemn that whole summer of "mostly peaceful protests" in which cities were burned.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:53AM (38 children)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:25PM (37 children)
If the sons of bitches burn buildings, they are not "protestors". If they are trying to burn a building down, they are not "protestors". Kenosha wasn't a legitimate protest, and those people shot at the riots weren't innocent bystanders.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @04:22PM (36 children)
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @06:47PM (35 children)
There were no murders in Kenosha that night. There were killings and woundings, performed in lawful self defense. Perhaps you should review the trial so that you can establish the facts.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:01PM (34 children)
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:31PM (28 children)
As I said, review the evidence. Get the definition of murder. Learn to speak English, then you might be prepared to have an intelligent conversation within the constraints of the English language. Your feelz and liberal media talking points do not define murder.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @07:55PM (27 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @08:56PM (14 children)
That doesn't make the court corrupt. Rittenhouse also had law on his side. It's valid self defense.
I find the projection reaches the point of self-parody. Here, what's your reason for treating this as murder?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @09:12PM (13 children)
you've argued the opposite of that before.
> Here, what's your reason for treating this as murder?
he went there intending to shoot someone.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:28PM (12 children)
If there was evidence of that intent, it would have appeared in the trial, not merely your imagination.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:30PM (11 children)
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:38PM (10 children)
Except that there's a long history of abuse with plea deals by the government parties making the plea deals. Meanwhile, your accusation is merely a feel just like complaining that a referee in a sports game made a bad call merely because it advantaged the other team.
Never been an issue for me. I consider the shootings something Rittenhouse had to do to stay alive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:58PM (9 children)
it was 100% avoidable, there is no 'had to do'.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:31PM (8 children)
The attackers could have just not attacked.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:57PM (7 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @12:26AM (6 children)
Actually, no it doesn't. But having said that, you probably ought to look at actual descriptions of the shootings (see here [soylentnews.org]). A big one is that despite the number of shots and the alleged irresponsibility, the prosecutors had no evidence that Rittenhouse risked shooting someone accidentally or that he shot someone who wasn't directly intending to inflict grievous bodily harm or worse (the standard for most self-defense in a public area).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:25AM (5 children)
worshipping this guy is a celebration of irresponsible gun ownership.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:06AM (2 children)
In other words, a straight-forward case of self-defense. Since I see elsewhere that there's an argument about "brandishing", I'll point out here that it means holding a weapon in a threatening way, usually by pointing it at someone. Merely wearing or carrying the weapon is not brandishing. They have video of the shooting so if there were real world brandishing going on, we wouldn't be hearing about it from an AC.
Then don't do that. No one is forcing you to.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:36AM (1 child)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:39AM
Repeatedly observating that it's a straight-forward case of self-defense is not cheering anyone on. Perhaps Runaway? He seems to be doing a bit of that, but so what? I don't care if Runaway sets up a shrine to Rittenhouse in his shed or whatever. Sounds pretty voluntary. And if you don't like it, then don't do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:15AM (1 child)
What a stupid, meaningless dungheap of verbiage.
One does not 'unwillfully' carry a weapon anywhere.
The first Rittenhouse shooting was a "fuck around and find out" thing. The deviant sex offender wanted to find out if he could intimidate and overpower some young kid. He found out.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:44AM
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:47PM (11 children)
As khallow already explained, Rittenhouse had the law on his side, not to mention a mountain of evidence that a belligerent SOB who had just been released from custody was looking for an excuse to beat the shit out of someone. That SOB had threatened multiple people with violence before he zeroed in on the 17 year old kid. Self defense. Study some English, then study law. There was no murder, no matter what your feelz might be.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:07PM (10 children)
> There was no murder, no matter what your feelz might be.
you've had to compromise your beliefs to arrive there. frankly i think you're over-protective of him because he's a perfect symbol of the irresponsible gun ownership in this country.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:36PM (9 children)
So what? Would it be similarly valid to state that said attackers were at fault because they were in proximity and emboldened by some combination of numbers and stupidity? Even if it's entirely as you say, that doesn't forfeit a right to self-defense.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:52PM (8 children)
i believe you've made that argument before. if his skateboard was oh so deadly and dangerous then what does that say about rittenhouse's gun? you know... a machine purpose built to kill people.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @12:43AM (7 children)
The difference was that the skateboard was being used as a deadly and dangerous weapon by the attacker. Rittenhouse's gun came into use after. A skateboard wouldn't be my weapon of choice, but you'd be just as dead by skateboard as you would be by firearm.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:00AM (6 children)
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:25AM (5 children)
Brandished? What does that mean, exactly? It means that some sensitive snowflake who maybe likes molesting kids is intimidated by the presence of a gun? The difference between the skateboard and the gun is, Rittenhouse did not threaten skateboard dude, until after skateboard dude swung the skateboard at Rittenhouse' head. Now, he is tombstone dude. Sometimes, your actions have consequences.
Now, I want you to envision a different scenario. Imagine that tombstone dude had taken offense at a grizzly bear running down the street, just as he took offense at Rittenhouse running down the street. Imagine that tombstone dude had leaped at, and swung at the grizzly bear. I think that maybe you would join me in laughing at tombstone dude's Darwin award, after the bear bit his head off.
The moral of the story? If you're some degenerate waste of DNA, don't attack a superior being.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @02:10AM (4 children)
look it up. both the definition of the word and the events of that night. it's important to the tale here as it means a complete re-write of your furry fanfic, especially the bear's motivation.
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @02:30AM (3 children)
No, you used the term, despite the fact that Rittenhouse wasn't even charged with brandishing, let along convicted. The prosecutor was a woke fuck, you know damned well if he could have made the charge, he would have done so. Obviously, you don't use the term in it's legal context. So, it's up to you to explain what the fuck you mean when you use the term. I've already suggested that it means something like "Oh, my feelz, I'm so offended that anyone can be permitted to exercise their Second Amendment rights!"
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @02:49AM (2 children)
>I've already suggested that it means something like "Oh, my feelz, I'm so offended that anyone can be permitted to exercise their Second Amendment rights!"
lol someone desperately wants to me to move away from the topic of how kyle got noticed. so... that makes me wonder, did you send that judge a christmas card?
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:01AM (1 child)
"how Kyle got noticed"
If you really want to know, Kyle got "noticed" for several reasons. Paramount among those reasons is, your hardened prison inmate criminal SOB noticed that Kyle was young, seemingly innocent, naive, and probably hadn't yet attained his full adult strength. Prison boy probably envisioned himself butt fucking that sweet young boy. Remember, he had already served time for sexual offenses, and he thought the way to treat any young boy was to buttfuck them into submission.
Kyle was most definitely noticed for having extinguished a dumpster fire that his (eventual) assailant had started, or helped to start.
Kyle was again noticed when he physically blocked someone rolling a dumpster fire into a gas station.
Kyle was obviously noticed for being armed. The militan/chaotic Left positively HATES anyone who exercises their 2A rights.
So, whats-his-name kinda sorta got what he was looking for when he attacked and assaulted a 17 year old kid. He got fucked to death. (What was his name? I'm certain you would remember some crazed, sexually deviant cunt who represented the left.)
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:48AM
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:28AM (4 children)
Perhaps not - but some of the left has lionized that queer trans bitch who shot a bunch of kids in Nashville. https://news.yahoo.com/hate-consequences-trans-activist-group-004701427.html?guccounter=1 [yahoo.com]
As usual, queer begets queer. Or, "Our Darling Audrey only shot you straight privileged white normies because you didn't listen to her!" Unstated is the threat, "You better start listening to us before it happens again!"
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:33AM
Also, https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1641178646533611523 [twitter.com]
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:55AM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:42PM (1 child)
Yea.. it was one example. Now I demand five!
Goal posts moved.exe
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @10:33PM
(Score: 3, Informative) by DadaDoofy on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:49AM (12 children)
That was just a failed narrative. The media originally tried to go with the fabrication that five people were killed by the "insurrectionists" - until that could no longer be propped up. The truth is, one of the protesters was shot by law enforcement. The BLM/Anita riots were responsible for at least 25 deaths (as reported by The Guardian) and over $2 billion in property damage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @05:13PM (11 children)
There's this lil bit, too:
narratives, huh.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @09:01PM (9 children)
Any crime carried out in the vicinity of protests would qualify as the above whether it was carried out by protesters directly or not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @09:16PM (8 children)
you had a different philosophy when you defended the j6 rioters. or are you saying everybody that protested at j6 is guilty of criminal conspiracy?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @10:30PM (7 children)
So you can link to a post of mine where I bother to distinguish between protesters breaking the law and people who happened to be using the protest as cover to break the law?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:11PM (6 children)
(Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:30PM (5 children)
My narrative doesn't require me to label BLM protesters as looters just like it doesn't require me to call J6 protesters insurrectionists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 07 2023, @11:54PM (4 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @12:01AM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @12:57AM (2 children)
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:07AM (1 child)
You are just as much an ally and probably just as similar-sounding.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:57AM
k
(Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:05AM
Yes, imagine that. The criminal element congregates to riot, and deadly crimes take place. Who could have imagined such a coincidence? Sorry, that bizarro world spin don't fly here.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 3, Insightful) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:03PM (1 child)
Says the banner of books. Is it ironic or hypocritical for the Freedom Caucus to be politicians who want to take away rights, Mr "Don't Say Gay"? Mr "The Bible says you should outlaw abortion" (even though it doesn't mention abortion or when life begins)?
You fools want to leave corporations unhindered in their plunder while the populace is strictly controlled. "Freedom is slavery" seems to be the Fascist's motto.
Impeach Donald Saruman and his sidekick Elon Sauron
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @12:09AM
"Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."
"The Spirit of God has made me,
And the breath of the Almighty gives me life."
Hmm, I guess on first breath
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Monday November 06 2023, @09:22PM (4 children)
No, the great irony here is that Musk took over Twitter to stop the censorship: he was going to allow free speech for everyone (which meant, of course, allowing the far-right a platform).
Now, he's censoring anything he doesn't like.
Musk is an idiot and needs to be censored.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. I have always been here. ---Gaaark 2.0 --
(Score: 3, Touché) by ChrisMaple on Monday November 06 2023, @11:47PM (3 children)
Summarizing your argument, including your false premise: Musk should be censored because he claimed he would stop censorship but didn't.
How would your proposed censorship help reduce censorship?
How was this rated insightful?
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:05PM (2 children)
Dyslexia much? He said nothing about censoring Musk in that comment. Maybe you should stop reading minds and start reading words.
Impeach Donald Saruman and his sidekick Elon Sauron
(Score: 3, Funny) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 07 2023, @03:09PM (1 child)
Seems I'm the dyslexic here...
Impeach Donald Saruman and his sidekick Elon Sauron
(Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 08 2023, @03:08AM
Dyslexics untie!
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Tuesday November 07 2023, @02:56PM (3 children)
Apparently you're not American (X-Twit is an American company). It's Musk's website. He owns that shithole like I own mcgrew.info, mcgrewbooks.com and mkjv.info. You can no more legally force Musk to admit to being the Nazi he seems to be than you can force me to put swastikas on my web sites.
We have a Constitution, and it guarantees free speech. You can't prevent me from speaking or publishing, or force me to speak or publish. The guy suing Musk is wasting his time and money.
Impeach Donald Saruman and his sidekick Elon Sauron
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 08 2023, @01:50PM (2 children)
>You can't prevent me from speaking or publishing, or force me to speak or publish.
Sure they can! Its so simple really. First they term your speech "hatespeech", barring that "misinformation", then later on spam. Amazon can pull your book, as can any other publishers. Someone can call your host and remove your website. Pretty soon you're down to the literal soapbox and handing out pamphlets in parking lots.
Which is a tad better than europe where you get thrown in jail for social media posts.
As for compelled speech. Don't forget your DEI training, it's required for your job. Better bake that cake, bigot. And yea, he won after a while but that's one of many. Even when something is on the books, local courts can simply ignore it.
SpEeCh has ConSeQuenCes. The mob gets to decide if you will be employed. Whether based on truth or not. Maybe you did really well and now have a "protest" outside your home. Now people can throw some bricks through your windows and probably get away with it. If you're not on the "right" side of history, who's side are you even on?
I love living in this hypocritical dystopia, it's friggin great!
(Score: 2) by TheReaperD on Thursday November 09 2023, @07:51AM
Huh. Almost like freedom of speech doesn't guarantee freedom from the consequences of your actions. Who would have thought?! Act like a racist/sexist/bigoted pile of dog shit and people will treat you accordingly and scrape you off their shoe! The system works. Just a bunch of the previously mentioned shit snowflakes whining because they want to be free from the consequences of their actions like their grand-pappies supposedly were (if they were white, reasonably wealthy, and strait) when they were racist/sexist/bigoted in their day. I say supposedly, because nothing stopped said person from punching them or coming back later and getting revenge. It's just instant karma is more the norm now when shit flies out of your mouth. Sorry, but I'm not going to shed a tear for shitty people getting what they deserve.
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 09 2023, @05:33PM
Funny how this description nearly matches how you lot are banning books these days.