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posted by janrinok on Friday November 10 2023, @04:25PM   Printer-friendly
from the we're-seeing-things dept.

https://newatlas.com/space/outsize-black-hole-supermassive-james-webb/

Astronomers have discovered evidence of a theorized type of black hole lurking in the distant universe. Known as an "Outsize Black Hole," this object could help explain some fundamental cosmic mysteries, including how supermassive monsters form.

Black holes as we know them tend to fall into two categories: there's the stellar mass black holes, which as the name suggests have masses equivalent to a few stars. They form when large stars die in a supernova. Up the other end of the scale sits supermassive black holes, which contain the mass of millions or even billions of stars. These are found at the center of many galaxies, including our own.

It was long thought that supermassive black holes form by growing out of stellar mass black holes as they slurp up matter over billions of years. This hypothesis was seemingly bolstered by recent observations of intermediate mass black holes, rare objects that slot in the middle of the mass range.

But as astronomers peer farther away in space and time, they've increasingly spotted signs that the story isn't that simple. In 2017, a black hole with a mass of 800 million Suns was discovered in a distant corner of space that meant it grew that big just a few hundred million years after the Big Bang – a growth rate that should be impossible according to our models. And it's far from alone, with over 100 contemporary giants found since then.

One possible explanation is that some black holes may form through other methods, giving them a larger starting mass than a regular old supernova would allow. If massive clouds of gas collapse, the hypothesis goes, they could form black holes with masses between about 10,000 and 100,000 Suns.

"There are physical limits on how quickly black holes can grow once they've formed, but ones that are born more massive have a head start," said Andy Goulding, co-author of the study. "It's like planting a sapling, which takes less time to grow into a full-size tree than if you started with only a seed."

Now astronomers claim to have discovered the first evidence for just such an object, which they call an Outsize Black Hole. It's located in a galaxy called UHZ1, at the incredible distance of 13.2 billion light-years from Earth – which also means we're seeing it as it was 13.2 billion years ago, or less than 500 million years after the Big Bang.


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Tork on Friday November 10 2023, @07:12PM

    by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 10 2023, @07:12PM (#1332430)

    Now astronomers claim to have discovered the first evidence for just such an object, which they call an Outsize Black Hole. It's located in a galaxy called UHZ1, at the incredible distance of 13.2 billion light-years from Earth – which also means we're seeing it as it was 13.2 billion years ago, or less than 500 million years after the Big Bang.

    So who has the oldest fattest mama to name this celestial mass after?

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 10 2023, @11:30PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 10 2023, @11:30PM (#1332463)

    I subscribe to the notion that the big bang, in our neighborhood of the universe, used to be a black hole that developed a severe case of indigestion after eating too much.

    I am not convinced there was just one big bang.

    I get the idea this whole thing is like Brownian motion, and is eternal, from infinite negative time to infinite positive time. Same with dimension. I do not believe the universe has an edge. The limitation we seem to observe is a speed of light thing that limits our sphere of observability. The edge of the universe seems always be as far away as our detection technology allows.

    Way too much new data from JWST makes no sense at all to me if I have to consider just one big bang.

    I have to consider infinity, and ponder causality.

    Knowing this conflicts with all I know of Thermodynamics, which would indicate finite resources.

    And conflicts with time, which if infinite, all things that could have happened would have already happened.

    This is what drives me to theological studies, although I lack the faith of trusting an accurate accounting of anything authored by beings such as myself. We have an almost infinite history of not telling the truth, especially to gain power/leadership over our companions.

    I consider mathematicians closer to God than theological seminary goers, which to me are mostly historical or leadership type people that would be likely to invent deities as tools of manipulating others. Or at least, by observing their antics, I am led to conjecture that opinion.

    Why am I here? What made me?

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