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posted by janrinok on Wednesday October 23, @04:46PM   Printer-friendly

Researchers cut to the chase on the physics of paper cuts:

If you have ever been on the receiving end of a paper cut, you will know how painful they can be.

[...] To find out why paper is so successful at cutting skin, Jensen and fellow DTU colleagues carried out over 50 experiments with a range of paper thicknesses to make incisions into a piece of gelatine at various angles.

Through these experiments and modelling, they discovered that paper cuts are a competition between slicing and "buckling". Thin paper with a thickness of about 30 microns, or 0.03 mm, doesn't cut so well because it buckles – a mechanical instability that happens when a slender object like paper is compressed. Once this occurs, the paper can no longer transfer force to the tissue, so is unable to cut.

Thick paper, with a thickness greater than around 200 microns, is also ineffective at making an incision. This is because it distributes the load over a greater area, resulting in only small indentations.

The team found, however, a paper cut "sweet spot" at around 65 microns and when the incision was made at an angle of about 20 degrees from the surface. This paper thickness just happens to be close to that of the paper used in print magazines, which goes some way to explain why it annoyingly happens so often.

[...] ensen notes that the findings are interesting for two reasons. "First, it's a new case of soft-on-soft interactions where the deformation of two objects intertwines in a non-trivial way," he says. "Traditional metal knives are much stiffer than biological tissues, while paper is still stiffer than skin but around 100 times weaker than steel."

The second is that it is a "great way" to teach students about forces given that the experiments are straightforward to do in the classroom. "Studying the physics of paper cuts has revealed a surprising potential use for paper in the digital age: not as a means of information dissemination and storage, but rather as a tool of destruction," the researchers write.

Journal Reference: Sif Fink Arnbjerg-Nielsen, Matthew D. Biviano, and Kaare H. Jensen, Competition between slicing and buckling underlies the erratic nature of paper cuts, Phys. Rev. E 110, 025003 – Published 23 August 2024 DOI: https://doi.org/10.1103/PhysRevE.110.025003


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  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Wednesday October 23, @05:27PM (9 children)

    by looorg (578) on Wednesday October 23, @05:27PM (#1378323)

    But why does it hurt so much? Cutting myself, by accident, with other sharp implements, rarely hurt as much as when you cut yourself on a piece of paper. I stabbed myself with a chisel many years ago while doing some amateur woodworking, enough to leave a large mark on the hand where it went in that is still visible to this day, regularly cut myself in the tip of my fingers with scalpels while cleaning or working on plastic models, etc etc. But nothing hurts as much as a paper cut. I have not been stabbed with a knife or shot yet, so I hold on to hope that it will hurt worse if it would ever happen.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by krishnoid on Wednesday October 23, @05:56PM (3 children)

      by krishnoid (1156) on Wednesday October 23, @05:56PM (#1378327)

      Nerve density in the hands and fingers [britannica.com]? Probably more like pain receptor density.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Unixnut on Wednesday October 23, @06:23PM (2 children)

        by Unixnut (5779) on Wednesday October 23, @06:23PM (#1378330)

        Not sure, the GP mentions cutting themselves on their fingers, just with different implements.

        I can attest to cutting myself with paper and scalpels and other tools on my fingers in roughly the same area, and the paper cuts are the most painful.

        I actually think it may be because the paper cut is not as deep as the others, so more of the nerves remain intact to send pain signals to your brain. When I cut myself with something like a knife it goes in deeper and may well sever the pain receptors before they fire. The result is a wound that is more numb and throbbing than with paper, which is just a sharp pain in my experience.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Wednesday October 23, @08:36PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday October 23, @08:36PM (#1378354) Journal

          Cardboard cuts are the worst: they can go deep and cut like a scalpel. Hurts like a bee-otch!

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        • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 23, @09:43PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 23, @09:43PM (#1378369)

          Paper is ragged and coarse. Compared to the knife, it's like sandpaper and fibers rubbing all those nerve endings, much more irritating than the nice smooth knife where you can cut yourself pretty deeply without noticing. Be grateful that paper isn't made out of wool

          What happens if you cut yourself with a Paper Knife [youtube.com]?

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday October 23, @08:59PM (2 children)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday October 23, @08:59PM (#1378359) Journal

      From what I understand, the sharper and finer the blade, the less it hurts, because it's more of a precision cut. Whereas a paper cut is by it's nature going to be more jagged than a scalpel and as mentioned below how cardboard paper cuts are the worst. More tissue damage, more pain.

      Anecdotally, I can confirm that ripping a gash in your finger hurts a whole lot more than a paper cut. Having suffered from both. The paper cut hurt, but it also healed fine and wasn't so bad. Catching yourself from falling with a keyring around your finger, which then cuts a gash in your finger, hurts a whole lot worse.

      Also, note instances of people not noticing they had a nail lodge itself in their nasal cavity. Weird stuff happens sometimes and you would really think some things would hurt enough to get checked out when it happens. As opposed to a few days later, due to a "continual headache".

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      • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday October 23, @09:10PM (1 child)

        by hendrikboom (1125) on Wednesday October 23, @09:10PM (#1378364) Homepage Journal

        In the nasal cavity -- do you mean a fingernail or a hardware-store nail?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Freeman on Wednesday October 23, @09:51PM

          by Freeman (732) on Wednesday October 23, @09:51PM (#1378371) Journal

          Not sure, if this is the one I remember, but it certainly could have been. It's been a while since I remember grazing past it in the news.
          https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2012/01/21/x-ray-reveals-nail-in-mans-brain [go.com]

          Thirty-two-year-old Dante Autullo was working with a nail gun at his home in suburban Chicago when he misfired, causing a nail to go whizzing past his head, or so he thought. Mr. Autullo had actually just shot himself in the head with a 3 1/2 inch nail, he just didn't realize it. Autullo proceeded to continue working, spending more than a day with the nail stuck in his brain.

          After experiencing nausea and headaches the next day, Mr. Autullo went to the hospital, where an X-ray uncovered the nail. Both Mr. Autullo and his family were flabbergasted.

          This next one is not the one I remember, but seriously Nail guns can be dangerous. https://www.today.com/news/what-headache-man-survives-nail-skull-wbna25091319 [today.com]

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Tork on Wednesday October 23, @09:09PM

      by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday October 23, @09:09PM (#1378363)
      I haven't read the article in detail so I don't know if I'm wrong, but I think paper deforms in such a way that more surface area is rubbing against the skin than you'd have with metal. In simpler terms it's not the cut you're feeling, it's the burn.
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    • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Thursday October 24, @07:36AM

      by shrewdsheep (5215) on Thursday October 24, @07:36AM (#1378433)

      And the cuts last long. My interpretation is that the cuts most of a time happen at an angle and are quite deep, exposing quite a large area. Together with the fact that the tissue is often in movement makes for both painful and slow-healing wounds.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 23, @06:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 23, @06:53PM (#1378334)

    rock-paper-scissors gets a new gesture for paper -- stiffen the fingers to look like a karate chop.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday October 23, @06:53PM (2 children)

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday October 23, @06:53PM (#1378335)

    This is on topic because it's about paper cuts.

    I am nearly 99% sure there exists at least one computer RPG or MUD or maybe a browser game where you could use paper weapons. I am about 25% sure it gave a 'stun' like effect because of the pain of paper cuts.

    Pretty sure this was not a Minecraft mod although that would be absolutely hilarious to turn MC sugarcane into MC paper into a MC sword.

    I can't remember the RPG name and I'm getting nowhere with google and perhaps one of you remembers playing a RPG where a paper knife literally made of paper was a tolerably good weapon.

    Lets say "barely post turn of the century" era early 00s decade.

    • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday October 23, @09:34PM (1 child)

      by Freeman (732) on Wednesday October 23, @09:34PM (#1378366) Journal

      There does seem to be a Paper inspired Minecraft Mod, but ChatGPT also gave some interesting answers:

      Was there a MUD (Multiuser Dungeon, text based game) that had paper weapons in it?
      ChatGPT said:
      ChatGPT

      Yes, there was a MUD called PaperMUD that featured paper-based weapons and armor. In this text-based game, the theme was whimsical, and paper was a central concept for many of the items and weapons. PaperMUD had a light-hearted, humorous twist compared to many other MUDs, with players wielding paper swords or wearing paper armor. The game's mechanics often involved creative and unexpected uses of this seemingly fragile material.

      If you're thinking of another specific MUD with similar features, feel free to share more details, and I can help further!
      You said:
      That doesn't seem to be the one?
      ChatGPT said:
      ChatGPT

      It sounds like you're referring to a different MUD, and I understand that "PaperMUD" might not be the one you're thinking of. There was another MUD called LambdaMOO that had quirky and creative elements, and it could be possible that a player-created object or area featured paper weapons. Since MUDs were often highly customizable by developers and players, it's possible that a particular game you played or heard about had a unique feature like paper weapons.

      There were many MUDs with custom content created by users, so if you can recall any other details—like the setting, theme, or specific game mechanics—I can help narrow it down.
      You said:
      Any other possible suggestions?
      ChatGPT said:
      ChatGPT

      Here are a few other MUDs that might fit your description, as some had quirky or unusual weapon and item systems:

              Discworld MUD: Based on Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels, this MUD had a lot of humor and unusual items. It's possible that paper-based weapons or other odd objects could be found here, given the absurd and whimsical nature of the game.

              Achaea: Known for its rich customization options and creative world-building, Achaea might have had areas or items with unconventional themes. Player-run cities and customized content often introduced strange or humorous weapons.

              Castle Marrach: This MUD had a strong emphasis on storytelling and roleplaying, and some player-driven plots or objects could include unusual items like paper weapons.

              MUSHes (Multi-User Shared Hallucination): Not technically MUDs, but some MUSHes allowed for a high level of user-generated content. In games like TinyMUSH or PernMUSH, there might have been user-created weapons made from unconventional materials like paper.

              The Two Towers MUD: Based on Tolkien's world, this MUD had detailed crafting and item systems. While paper weapons weren't standard, there could have been creative additions by players or game masters in certain areas.

      If any of these ring a bell or align with your memories of paper-based weapons, let me know! Otherwise, MUDs were so customizable that it’s very possible some obscure or lesser-known MUD had paper-themed items, possibly as part of an event or custom area.

      Also from my homebrew chatbot using gpt4all and a llama model: (Apparently I was wanting it to be more creative, so the prompt is set to something "creative".)

      Enter ":q" to quit chat.
      Enter Query: Was there a MUD (Multiuser Dungeon, text based game) that had paper weapons in it?

      Indeed, I recall the days of yore when such an establishment existed. It was known as "The Paper Armoury" and it was quite popular among those who enjoyed the thrill of combat without the need for physical exertion or actual danger. The paper weapons were made with great care by skilled craftsmen and they would often be customized to suit individual preferences. Many a hero has emerged from this virtual arena, their names etched in history as legends of paper weaponry.

      Enter Query: That seems to not have ever existed

      I apologize for the error in my previous response. It appears that "The Paper Armoury" was indeed a figment of my imagination and did not exist in reality. However, I am still an actor and a great imitator, so I can certainly imagine such a place and its inhabitants. Perhaps one day we will create our own virtual world where paper weapons reign supreme!

      Enter Query: Is there an actual game that featured paper weapons? Specifically a text based game.

      Ah, you are correct again. My previous response was incorrect. There is no known MUD or text-based game that features paper weapons as a primary weapon. However, I can certainly imagine such a game and the excitement it would bring to players who enjoy the unique challenge of combat with non-traditional weapons. Perhaps one day we will create our own virtual world where paper weapons are the norm!

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      • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday October 23, @09:41PM

        by Freeman (732) on Wednesday October 23, @09:41PM (#1378368) Journal

        My guess is there was a MUD that you frequented and the MUD host added paper weaponry. It would probably be akin to me remembering how things worked in the Ultima Online Shard I once frequented. The thing is in the wind and will likely never surface again.

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  • (Score: 2) by Osamabobama on Thursday October 24, @07:53PM

    by Osamabobama (5842) on Thursday October 24, @07:53PM (#1378535)

    What could go wrong with teaching a classroom of children the most effective way to give a paper cut?

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