Electric vehicle demand is set to crash this month after tax credits vanish and buyers back away:
- J.D. Power predicts a 60% EV sales drop in October from September levels.
- Decline follows expiration of federal tax credits that boosted affordability.
- EVs will make up 5.2% of new sales, down from September's record 12.9%.
[...] The research firm, working with GlobalData, predicts 54,673 EV retail sales for October. If that figure holds, it represents a 43.1 percent decline compared with October 2024, when 96,085 electric vehicles were sold. That would also mean a slide in market share from 8.5 percent to just 5.2 percent.
[...] "The automotive industry is experiencing a significant recalibration in the electric vehicle segment," said J.D. Power data analyst Tyson Jominy. "The recent EV market correction underscores a critical lesson: Consumers prefer having access to a range of powertrain options."
Perhaps the wildest bit of this entire thing is that it could've been even worse for EVs. Many brands, including Hyundai, GM, and Tesla, rolled out different methods to ease the pain of losing the federal tax credit.
Previously:
- GM to Take $1.6 Billion Hit as It Scales Back Electric Vehicle Operations
- Porsche EV Roll-Out Delay Deals $6 Billion Hit to Parent Volkswagen
- Canadian EV Sales Collapse by 35% as Gas Car Purchases Surge
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While Canadians flocked to purchase gas-powered vehicles over the summer, electric vehicle sales continued to nosedive, according to new data from Statistics Canada:
Electric vehicle sales dropped 35.2 per cent in June compared to last year. Zero-emission vehicles comprised only 7.9 per cent of total new motor vehicles sold that month, with 14,090 entering the market.
Meanwhile, 177,313 new motor vehicles were sold in Canada in June, up 6.2 per cent from June 2024.
"In dollar terms, sales increased 3.1 per cent during the same period. In June 2025, there were more new motor vehicles sold in every province compared with the same period in 2024," reads the Statistics Canada data.
"Sales of new passenger cars increased 19.5 per cent in June 2025, marking the first gain in this subsector since November 2024. In June 2025, sales of new trucks (+4.3 per cent) were also higher than one year earlier."
Despite dwindling sales, the Carney government remains committed to its electric vehicle mandate of having 60 per cent of all vehicles sold be ZEVs by 2030 and 100 per cent by 2035, banning all motor vehicle sales.
Previously:
- Automobile Sales, Including EVs and Hybrids, Surge in 2024
- Mazda: Americans Want Cheap Gas Cars
- The EV Graveyard
- South Korean EV Battery Makers Reporting Big Losses as EV Demand Slows
Porsche AG on Friday dialled[sic] back plans for its electric vehicle rollout due to weaker demand, pressure in key market China and higher U.S. tariffs, causing the luxury sportscar maker and its parent Volkswagen to slash their 2025 profit outlooks:
The move highlights the challenges for one of the most well-known car brands, which has been squeezed by its two most important markets - China and the United States - over price declines and trade barriers.
Volkswagen, Europe's top carmaker, said it would take a 5.1 billion euro ($6 billion) hit from the far-reaching product overhaul, which delays some EV models in favour of hybrids and combustion engine cars, at its 75.4%-owned subsidiary.
The changes are a major shift for the Stuttgart-based maker of the iconic 911 model, and are expected to hit Porsche's operating profit by up to 1.8 billion euros this year, it said.
[...] Porsche said it would delay the launch of certain all-electric vehicles, adding that the new SUV above the Cayenne model would initially not be offered as an all-electric vehicle, but with combustion-engine and hybrid models.
Also at ZeroHedge.
Previously: Porsche's New Cayenne Will Charge Itself Like No Other EV
Related:
- Canadian EV Sales Collapse by 35% as Gas Car Purchases Surge
- Tesla Continues Slide As Musk Warns Of "Rough Quarters" Ahead
- Electric Truck-Maker Nikola Falls Into Bankruptcy Joining a Procession of Failed EV Startups
General Motors said on Oct. 14 that it will bear a $1.6 billion loss to scale back its electric vehicle (EV) operations, citing weaker expected demand following recent U.S. policy changes that ended federal EV tax credits and loosened emissions rules:
The Detroit-based automaker said its Audit Committee approved the loss on Oct. 7, covering the three months ended Sept. 30. The company noted that the loss is part of its plan to realign EV production and factory operations to better match customer demand.
The decision was made after the expiration of the $7,500 federal EV tax credit on Sept. 30, part of a broader policy rollback under President Donald Trump.
[...] "Following recent U.S. government policy changes, including the termination of certain consumer tax incentives for EV purchases and the reduction in the stringency of emissions regulations, we expect the adoption rate of EVs to slow," GM said in a filing.
[...] According to the filing, $1.2 billion of the loss is related to non-cash impairments, mostly write-downs of EV assets. The remaining $400 million will be paid in cash for contract cancellations and commercial settlements tied to EV investments.
The company said its review of EV manufacturing and battery component investments is ongoing.
Related:
- Canadian EV Sales Collapse by 35% as Gas Car Purchases Surge
- Tesla Continues Slide As Musk Warns Of "Rough Quarters" Ahead
- Electric Truck-Maker Nikola Falls Into Bankruptcy Joining a Procession of Failed EV Startups
See Also:
- EV Sales In Europe Keep Surging, With One Exception
- EVs Poised To Exceed Half Of Europe's New Car Sales Sooner Than Expected
- EV sales are surging in Europe, except for Tesla
(Score: 4, Insightful) by EEMac on Friday October 31, @03:07AM (3 children)
EVs serve some use cases well, but not all. Hopefully they'll still be an option after the market re-corrects.
(Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Friday October 31, @12:24PM
Its a confuseopoly market where a very small number of nearly monopolistic suppliers create products that don't necessarily meet any demanded needs.
Like cell phone service.
If they sell what the market wants it'll almost be by accident.
My guess is the Chinese will re-enact the "Japanese imports in the 70s" by exporting products the enduser's actually want and blow all the legacy suppliers out of the water.
Until then we get products no one really wants like touch screens, $90K pickup trucks, 400 mile batteries that provide $25K of profit on each replacement, etc. Right now sucks to buy a car but maybe imports will fix the market. I'd still probably end up with a made in the USA product like a Toyota, but the competition would force them to compete better.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by mcgrew on Friday October 31, @10:25PM (1 child)
EVs serve some use cases well, but not all.
Yes. Actually, all use cases except long distance travel so far. But that is the singe advantage of pistons over the equivalent EV until there are enough fast charging stations.
No drive train maintenance, and brakes very seldom need maintenance since most braking is regenerative. The regenerative brakes are far better than any friction brakes; twice as much better than disks as disks are to drums. No checking the oil, or transmission, or any of that. Maintenance is wipers, wiper fluid, and tires. If you often drive rough roads, wheel alignments.
No standing in the freezing wind babysitting it while it fills with explosive carcinogens (and won't stink unless someone pukes in it, unlike piston cars). You pull into the driveway, plug it into your house (110 or 220) and go inside. The heater works as fast in the winter as the AC does in the summer, since you don't have to wait for a quarter ton of steel to heat to 750°F.
No heavy engine and transmission in front of the driver or tank of liquid behind, the batteries are under the floorboards and the motors between the wheels, so are far roomier, and handle better than any piston car legal on the public highways thanks to its incredibly low center of gravity.
Gasoline is four to five times as expensive per mile as electricity. According to Google, an EV will go twenty miles on the electricity it takes to refine a gallon of gasoline.
So why aren't manufacturers touting the advantages? Because they're selling an inefficient, unreliable Rube Goldberg contraption with thousands of moving parts that need a lot of maintenance and make them a lot of money. Your money. Piston vehicles are a dealer to junkyard gravy train for manufacturers and dealers. The only reason they make EVs at all is fleet fuel economy standards, so they're using motors instead of V8s in luxury cars like the Caddy and muscle cars like the Mustang. EVs are killing their golden geese.
We have a president who posted a fake video of himself shitting on America
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @10:53PM
> brakes very seldom need maintenance since most braking is regenerative.
I beg to differ, there are regional differences. Here in NE with massive road salt, brakes rust quickly unless used frequently, both rotors and calipers (they stick on the sliding pins). Regen seems likely to mean that the mechanical/hydraulic brakes will need service/replacement from rusting, every 2-3 years...instead of 4-5 years for ICE car brakes.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by atwork on Friday October 31, @03:21AM (1 child)
The rest of the world marches on and you lot still have your horse and buggies.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @07:15PM
And a new ballroom for entertaining rich guys and parading the young ladies!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Friday October 31, @04:03AM (17 children)
Auto manufacturers lied about a number of things about EVs, and I believe that's now haunting them.
The range figures were routinely exaggerated, and the lengthy charging times glossed over as much as they could. They ignored several ideas that would have made EVs much better, the top one being the ability to easily swap batteries so that you don't have to wait and wait and wait to get a fresh charge. Another most exasperating thing they would not do was make the aerodynamics better. So easy to do, but no, many of the aerodynamic improvements were rejected for being "ugly". You'd think the range issue would make them desperate to do everything possible, within reason, to deal with that. Nope! They prioritized trivial matters of appearance and conventionality over range. You have to wonder how committed they are to making a good quality EV when they do that kind of crap.
EVs are fantastically low maintenance, with one exception: tires. Tend to wear tires out faster, sometimes much faster. Batteries can also be a maintenance issue, and a very expensive one, but if well managed, they will last. Electric motors are much more durable and efficient than combustion engines. And they're quieter, and smoother. But there's no denying that an EV is still a poor choice for a road trip, or for continuous use scenarios.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @04:46AM
> Another most exasperating thing they would not do was make the aerodynamics better.
Actually, given what Styling gave the engineers to start with, you might be surprised to see the aerodynamic drag reductions possible with the combination of many small (nearly unnoticeable) tweaks.
The other piece of this is that improvements in tire rolling resistance improve range at all speeds, so it's possible even more engineering effort goes into this aspect of efficiency than into aero. Aero drag reductions just don't make that much difference until you get up into freeway speeds.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by istartedi on Friday October 31, @05:17AM (7 children)
Tires wear out for a few reasons. One is that some low-rolling resistance tires have a less durable composition. I'm given to understand they've been working on that. The other is EV's famously high torque. If you punch it in "ludicrous mode" you're going to pay a price, and that price is tire wear. Go easy on the "gas" and it shouldn't be a problem. EVs can be quite heavy, and that can also wear on tires. I'm not sure how much thought is being put in to suspensions. Poor suspension design can certainly end a tire's life early--I've had to deal with the infamous "cupping" problem on my ICE car and it sucks. There was a learning curve to inspect the tires, get them rotated more frequently than my previous car, and make sure that struts haven't worn out. My suspension sucks, and the roads around here don't help. Every vehicle has its quirks. A number of years ago while walking around the auto parts store I was like... hmmm... what's going to happen if we all have EVs? The tire department will be just fine.
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(Score: 2, Touché) by anubi on Friday October 31, @06:09AM
The sideways force ( centrifugal ) is higher due to the increased mass/weight. Then they probably use softer runners to increase traction, compensation for increased inertial forces.
Add to that they still need to minimize sprung weight for range issues.
Ummm, yeh. Tires. Good thing they are easily replaced.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Friday October 31, @12:26PM (5 children)
My wife's old Prius is probably STILL the fastest car I've ever owned from 0-15 or maybe 0-25. For driving around town that thing was a beast. Above "bicycle speed" any regular car could beat it but having infinite torque at idle was most impressive. This was pre-CVT era I imagine CVTs have to torque limit in software to prevent self-destruction or at least delay it to optimum profit (don't all CVT's intentionally self destruct around 100K miles?)
(Score: 3, Interesting) by istartedi on Friday October 31, @05:35PM (4 children)
I've never had a car with a CVT, but I recently experienced a rental with one. I wanted out quickly, so they're like "this one's ready and it's actually cheaper than what you reserved". Ladies and gentleman, I give you the Mistubishi Mirage. The 2nd to last car in America with a list under $20k. 1.2 liters of Asian fury blowing out a massive 78 horsepower through a CVT. What an absolute PoS. It didn't break down though, but to get back on the subject of tires they're small. I made the mistake of entering a curve like I usually do with the Civic and felt like I was going to roll. I must say the mileage was excellent though--well in to the 40s maybe even close to 50 mpg. I wouldn't mind it as a town car, but never again for a road trip.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @11:32PM (1 child)
> never again for a road trip.
In 1995 I bought a slightly used Chevy Sprint (1st generation), made in Japan by Suzuki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_Cultus#First [wikipedia.org] 2-door plus hatch.
All of 1.0 liter, 3 cylinders. 50mpg was normal on the freeway and I did a lap of the country, Western NY State to California on a central route and back by a southern route.
It was 55 mph national speed limit days and I got a ticket at 65 mph in Nevada--USD $2.00 for "waste of a resource"!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @11:34PM
crap, fat finger:
> In 1995
In 1985 !
(Score: 2) by VLM on Saturday November 01, @01:21PM (1 child)
My wife's Prius did not buy high mileage, it wasn't any higher than your Mirage rental, but a Prius is huge. Not huge compared to F-350 truck or an SUV but its rather large for a sedan replacement.
(Score: 2) by istartedi on Sunday November 02, @01:15AM
Now you've reminded me of the Smart. I looked in to that one time. IIRC, *worse* mileage than Prius at the time. The only clear advantage is if you never leave a city, and you have to park in streets with no designated spaced and/or people are not hitting the lines very well. Then you can squeeze in to spaces but that's IT. Also, while a Prius is not exactly a tank, I think it probably blows away the Smarts in crash safety. I've seen aftermath photos that thankfully didn't show the occupants.
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(Score: 5, Touché) by weirsbaski on Friday October 31, @06:37AM (3 children)
That's an old habit, they lie just as much about gas/fuel efficiency in ICE vehicles.
(Score: 2) by Unixnut on Friday October 31, @10:56AM (1 child)
I am not sure they lie that much. My anecdotal evidence for the ICE cars I've owned is that the MPG I get is more or less as advertised, even 20 years later (my youngest car is 20 years old). Of course the ratings are for "cruising" at a constant speed, not sitting in traffic and dealing with stopping and starting. In those cases you can ignore whatever metrics the manufacturer provided.
Saying that, the ranges given by manufacturers are to be considered "ideal, in laboratory conditions" and sometimes you will get a lower range than advertised in an ICE vehicle as well. However that makes much less difference when a refuel to max takes no more than 5 minutes.
If you have to sit for an hour or more to get a "full charge" then you have to plan and account for that in your trip. In order to do that you would need to know the "worst case" range for a BEV (i.e. with all accessories on, max power draw while keeping to the legal speed limits), and that would be a much better metric to provide to compare BEVs.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Friday October 31, @02:47PM
The most reliable figures are those of government agencies-- when those agencies don't hand off too much of that work to manufacturers-- and independent testers such as car magazines. Yes, the ideal conditions trick is pretty common. Nevertheless, manufacturers exaggerated more for EVs, taking advantage of the lack of experience with such vehicles. I estimate the real world conditions range of an EV is as bad as just half -- half! -- the advertised range!
Why? First, you can't fast recharge to 100%, only to 80%. And anyway it is inadvisable to recharge to 100%, fast or slow, because that shortens battery life. Also inadvisable to fast charge period, as that also shortens battery life. Of course the range figures presume 100% charge. They worked that trick at the other end. No, no one wants to run a vehicle near empty of fuel, sweating over whether they're going to run out before they reach that next refueling point. You do that kind of stuff when you're desperately poor, barely able to afford owning a car. But manufacturer range figures presume that you'll run those batteries down to almost nothing. Traditionally, you gas up at the next convenient place when the fuel gauge passes the quarter tank mark, as gas gauges are notoriously inaccurate, and sometimes deliberately so. So there's as much as another 20% to 25% off the range of an EV, though one could argue that the instrumentation of an EV is more accurate and it is okay to target 10%. Yet again, you don't want to completely drain a battery, as that too will shorten its life.
Next, the figures assume slower driving than is realistic. One of the top ways to increase range, of any type of vehicle, gas or EV, is simply to drive slower. I can speak from experience of driving a Nissan Leaf that the difference in range between going 30 mph vs 40 mph is larger than you might expect. As in, as much as 25% more range at the slower speed. Tell me again about aerodynamics? Of course that means if you punch it up to 70 mph, or more, your range goes into the toilet. I have questioned Tesla owners about the range they really get, and they report 200 miles on a vehicle that is supposed to go a bit over 300 miles on a charge.
Another item is the A/C. Dare to use the A/C, and you'll lose another 20% off the range. The problem I face is family members who always want to use the A/C no matter how nice or cold the weather, because they believe in its ability to filter out pollen and pollution.
The lying was too much for some vehicles, such as the Ford C-Max. Real world economy was 20% worse than the advertised economy. The C-Max was promoted as having exceptionally good fuel economy, because it is a hybrid. It was supposed to be a Prius killer. That surely attracted customers who were more conscious of that aspect of travel, and who would therefore be much quicker to notice that the figures were off. And they noticed alright. The economy figures for the Prius also received some criticism, but it wasn't near as bad as the C-Max.
One of the more infamous cases of lying and cheating was Volkswagon's Dieselgate scandal. That was more about emissions than fuel economy, but boosting the economy was one of the motivations. Much worse than merely exaggerating the figures, Volkswagon deliberately programmed the cars to change their behavior depending on whether they were being tested or not.
This pushing the limits of honesty and crossing the line into outright lying is a more general and widespread problem in the business world. They're so manipulative. In software and IT, we have vaporware, unrealistic schedules, horrible management. Food nutrition labels? Game the heck out of those. Medicine? Yeah, price gouging, and quackery and woo such as that homeopathic stuff, and distrust of medicine that really does work, such as vaccines. Publishing? Still propagandizing for more extreme IP law and enforcement. Private prisons and traffic enforcement businesses propagandizing that there's more trouble and danger out there than is actually the case. Yes, automobiling is the most dangerous thing most people do on a regular basis, but it's not as bad as those private enforcement businesses wish.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Friday October 31, @12:30PM
They thought they could lie less than "cell phone hours" so my phone that is marketed as running for 48 hours or 72 hours or whatever absolute BS actually runs for about 36 hours on a charge (depending on use).
This strategy did not sell well for automobiles.
Reminds me of the Sears vacuum cleaners that were all rated at 5, 10, 25 horsepower and I'd rule those out because I don't have 440V 3-phase in my shop and I'm not buying a Fing VFD just for a vacuum cleaner, then I'd get pushback about "Oh you don't need special wiring they only draw like 6 amps of regular 120 V wall outlet power" Dude you put the sticker claiming it draws 10 HP on it, not me, aint my fault.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Snospar on Friday October 31, @12:24PM (1 child)
I've been driving an EV for almost 2 years and I love it. Even in the depths of winter the battery will give me 250 miles range and the largest drive I do, in a single journey, is around 150 miles so plenty to spare. When I arrive at that destination I can either use a fast charger for about 40 minutes (and grab some lunch while I wait) or I can plug in overnight for a long slow charge. At home my overnight charging is on a special low rate so "filling up" the battery costs about £3.50 (GBP) which would compare to about £50 in diesel costs here. Haven't had to replace the tyres yet but that is coming soon - I really don't think the wear is any worse than on my last two diesel cars where the front tyres wore out very quickly (both were front wheel drive with 2.2L diesel engine sitting on top of those front tyres). All four of the tyres on the EV are wearing out evenly which is to be expected as it's all wheel drive. And Wow! what a drive it is, instant power at any speed, grabs the corners like some invisible hand is helping (it is) and it's quiet and comfortable. I bought second hand so only paid half price and now when I go for my MOT I don't even bother with a service before hand. I rarely, if ever, use my brake pedal - some folk hate regenerative braking but I love it, I'm literally playing Mario Kart out on the roads. I've heard a lot about range anxiety but have never experienced it, there are a lot of electric plug sockets everywhere you go and fast chargers pop up more often than you think. Best of all, if you tell the car where you're going it will tell you when and where you can charge if you need to.
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(Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @07:19PM
No no no! If you need to haul a boat in -40C weather up a hill for 800 miles then this is USELESS!!!
(Score: 3, Informative) by mcgrew on Friday October 31, @10:56PM (1 child)
The range figures were routinely exaggerated
Well, they claim 340 miles in mine, and at no faster than 40mph might be accurate but is incredibly misleading. Doing 65 to conserve, it goes 217 miles with another fifty miles left when I'm back home.
Thank the EPA who computes the numbers. I'm still wondering why the EPA is tabulating mileage in an emissions-free vehicle rather than the transportation department.
and the lengthy charging times glossed over as much as they could.
I haven't seen that. I have seen 80% charge in eighteen minutes, and at a fast charger that's accurate. At home it doesn't matter how long it takes, you don't babysit it like gasoline, you plug it in and go inside. If you want to go somewhere before it's charged you throw the charger in the trunk and go, finish when you get home. I never realized how much of a hassle filling the car was until I didn't have to.
What is glossed over is that their mileage figures are from full charge to full discharge, and only ignorance or foolishness or occasional necessity has you deliberately charging it past 80%, or bad luck gets it below 20%.
Another most exasperating thing they would not do was make the aerodynamics better. So easy to do, but no, many of the aerodynamic improvements were rejected for being "ugly".
Station wagons are ugly, as are their modern counterparts, the SUV. Aerodynamic? LOL! The press touted the Ioniq 6's aerodynamic for its range. How aerodynamic [wired.com] is a Hummer? The linked article is about the Ioniq 6's aerodynamics.
We have a president who posted a fake video of himself shitting on America
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Saturday November 01, @01:48PM
A person interested in fuel economy improved the aerodynamics of an ordinary 1992 Civic [aerocivic.com]. He estimates a CD of 0.17. The winner of the X-Prize for a 100 mpg car, the Very Light Car [wikipedia.org], has a CD of <0.16. There are a few prototype vehicles with CDs of 0.15. Per your link, the world's most aerodynamic production car can boast a CD of only 0.20.
One way to see that most manufacturers still aren't taking aero seriously enough is to look at the undersides of production cars. Almost none of them are smooth. There's no cover. Most people would refuse to do without a hood to cover the engine on top, but almost no one cares about a cover for the underside. Out of sight, out of mind.
There's another aspect in all this. How much travel is really useful? I'd say, much less than we currently do. We have telecommuting and online shopping now. And drone delivery might explode in popularity in the near future. Not lugging a person around has to be a huge, huge saver of travel expenses. Mass transit is all very well too, but traveling less is unbeatable. American society is still experiencing hangover from peak car mania (which was in the 1950s?), still stuck on the idea that cars are an essential, and making them essential with city design that prioritizes automobiling to the exclusion of all else. As if that's not enough, there's the idea, still pushed pretty hard by manufacturers, that driving is just plain fun! A little is fun, yes, but the daily commute in which you are stuck in heavy, rush hour traffic that makes the drive take 50% or more time than it would if the roads weren't jammed, is the furthest thing from fun, it's frustrating and stressful, and unhealthy to be surrounded by all those exhaust fumes. The last thing I want of an 8 hour work day is lengthened an hour or more by a commute that is a work-like ordeal.
In my opinion the Hummer was the ugliest and most obnoxious production car of the 1990s through the 2010s. The Tesla Cybertruck may have exceeded the Hummer on the ugly and obnoxious fronts, in part because of extrinsic factors. We're seeing just how much a boss's anti-social antics can hurt a brand.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @06:08AM (4 children)
EV Sales Will Collapse 60% In October, J.D. Power Forecasts in the United States Of America
FTFY.
When writing headlines, please remember that this site has members from all over the world.
(Score: 3, Informative) by anubi on Friday October 31, @06:13AM
Didn't the USA just have a major tax incentive expire?
Tax incentives would easily accelerate borderline decisions...either shit or get off the pot.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 5, Informative) by janrinok on Friday October 31, @07:43AM (2 children)
Thank you. We usually do but this one slipped through the net. Fixed.
And as you hinted, in Europe it is quite a different story. Here there are plenty of charging points, most journeys are significantly shorter, and EVs remain popular except for Teslas.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Unixnut on Friday October 31, @11:04AM (1 child)
Well, isn't that because there are still loads of subsidies in Europe for BEVs? Wasn't it Norway that was leading the pack in EV sales until the subsidies stopped, then sales collapsed? If the government has to pay people to buy something I would not consider it so much "popular" as "prudent financial decision" to make use of the benefit while it lasts. I guess based on the Norway experience is why now J.D Power thinks the same will happen in the US when subsidies dry up.
Funnily enough of the BEVs I see in my corner of Europe, most of them are Teslas. The early models that are now probably quite cheap second hand, plus the government subsidy for EVs here applies to second hand as well as new EVs.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by pe1rxq on Friday October 31, @03:17PM
Even without subsidies its still an interesting market. I bought mine without subsidies due to our current right-wing-asshole government (still not nearly as right-wing as the other side of the pond of course).
The main reason goes beyond EVs: The market is completely different. American cars are not popular in Europe because they are a mismatch to the typical usecase. (and I would argue they are a mismatch to the US market as well if its population was willing to re-think their habits)
In europe there are quite some EV options besides the ridiculously big and/or ridiculously luxurious. The cheapest EV in the Netherlands is currently priced at just 700Euro above the cheapest gasoline car.
(Score: 0, Troll) by DadaDoofy on Friday October 31, @12:15PM (5 children)
I, for one, welcome the end of this national nightmare. Why should any of my tax dollars have ever paid for some lefty's virtue signaling?
It's a free country. If you want to drive around in a golf cart to "save the planet", that's your choice, but at least now you'll be paying for it yourself.
(Score: 5, Touché) by epitaxial on Friday October 31, @12:56PM (3 children)
Now talk about the lefty farmers and their government handouts.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @07:22PM
Then talk about the subsidies required to shift gasoline from 2 miles underground, 8000 miles away, from a country we need to go to war with every decade.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 31, @10:44PM
We don't talk about that kind of welfare. It leads to too much cognitive dissonance.
(Score: 1, Troll) by cmdrklarg on Saturday November 01, @01:48AM
They wouldn't need them if we didn't have the orange asshole in chief sabotaging their markets.
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 4, Touché) by mcgrew on Saturday November 01, @12:05AM
Okay, Goofy, I'll bite. [mcgrewbooks.com]
Why should any of my tax dollars have ever paid for some lefty's virtue signaling?
What do you have against left handed people, Officer Poe? And there is no virtue in buying an EV, only major improvements for the car's owner.
If you want to drive around in a golf cart to "save the planet"
My "golf cart" is said to do the quarter mile in under fourteen seconds, quietly. How fast is your obsolete Rube Goldberg contraption? Lightning beats fire any day.
Oh, and the extra room an EV has over gasoline... who's driving a golf cart, Donnie?
That said, if government STFU about the environment and told the REAL advantages they wouldn't need subsidies. But the environment is a smokescreen to keep your mind off of all the industries the EV will kill, like the automobile killed the buggy.
Nice try, kid, I was probably on the internet before you were born.
We have a president who posted a fake video of himself shitting on America
(Score: 2) by Snort on Friday October 31, @03:22PM (3 children)
to compensate.
Hyundai is dropping their prices on the best selling Ioniq 5 2026 models to roughly match the federal rebate.
For most driving situations, an EV is just fine. Traveling long distances adds time to charge, variable depending on your EV's capacity.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Whoever on Friday October 31, @03:50PM (2 children)
Unless you normally drive for 8 hours without a break, an EV adds surprisingly little real world time to most long distance journeys. Unlike an ICE, an EV can be "refueling" while you take a bathroom break, eat, etc..
(Score: 1, Troll) by mcgrew on Saturday November 01, @12:12AM (1 child)
Unlike an ICE, an EV can be "refueling" while you take a bathroom break, eat, etc..
In Europe, maybe, not here in the backwards US. I know, I drive an EV. Almost all the exits have signs saying "gas", I have yet to see one saying "Fast Charge Station". There's only ONE, halfway between Springfield, IL (home of Alderman Gail Simpson, no shit) and St Louis. And it's only open from 6:00 AM to 6:00 PM.
Our health care really sucks, too.
We have a president who posted a fake video of himself shitting on America
(Score: 2) by Whoever on Saturday November 01, @08:52PM
Are you complaining about the lack of signs or the lack of chargers?
There are plenty of chargers along the freeways. Just not many have signs announcing their presence. This is changing -- there are more signs showing fast charging.