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posted by hubie on Friday January 09, @08:07AM   Printer-friendly

Strong subsidies keep Tesla on top in Norway:

Last year, 95.5 percent of all newly registered vehicles in Norway were electric. While consumers in Europe and other markets are pivoting away from Tesla and toward hybrid vehicles, the Scandinavian country is staying firmly on course toward full EV adoption.

The Norwegian Road Federation reported that 95.9 percent of new cars registered in November were electric, a figure that climbed to 98 percent in December. These numbers represent a sharp increase from late 2024, when Norway became the first country where electric vehicles outnumbered petrol-powered cars on the road. In 2025, most newly registered gasoline-powered vehicles were hybrids, sports cars, or models used by first responders.

Tesla remains Norway's most popular automotive brand by a wide margin, increasing its market share slightly last year to 19.1 percent. This stands in stark contrast to trends in the US, China, and much of Europe, where Tesla sales have declined amid the rollback of EV incentives and growing public backlash against CEO Elon Musk's political views. The company was also named America's least reliable car brand last year, coinciding with a nine percent drop in global sales.

Signs of weakening confidence in EVs are particularly visible in the United States. Ford discontinued the all-electric F-150 Lightning last year in favor of hybrid models. In Europe, policymakers recently abandoned plans to ban new gasoline car sales by 2035.

Despite gradually increasing taxes on EVs, Norway continues to offer comparatively strong incentives, while duties on petrol-powered cars are also rising. Electric vehicles priced below roughly $30,000 remain exempt from value-added tax, and buyers rushed to make purchases ahead of January 1, when an additional $5,000 in VAT took effect on more expensive EVs.

Chinese automaker BYD also made notable gains in Norway last year, though it remains far behind Tesla. Its market share increased from 2.1 to 3.3 percent, with sales more than doubling over the period.

Globally, BYD has overtaken Tesla as the world's leading EV seller, posting a sales increase of over 28 percent in 2025. The rapid pace at which BYD and other Chinese automakers have brought vehicles from concept to assembly has forced Western manufacturers to rethink their production workflows and accelerate development timelines.


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by pTamok on Friday January 09, @09:03AM (5 children)

    by pTamok (3042) on Friday January 09, @09:03AM (#1429162)

    Tesla have shown it is possible to sell a badly-designed and badly-made car with poor reliability, given that the buyers have enough tax incentives to do so.

    When the Norwegian government removes the tax incentives to buy BEVs, we'll see what happens.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by datapharmer on Friday January 09, @11:31AM (4 children)

      by datapharmer (2702) on Friday January 09, @11:31AM (#1429174)

      It really isn’t just tax incentives. Unless you are doing specific things like towing a horse trailer, boat, or camper trailer regularly EVs are far better vehicles for most daily use. I’ll be honest as someone who owns a truck - when my wife wanted an ev I was skeptical, but we now have an ev with almost 40k miles and the only work that’s been done is a tire rotation and it is much more relaxing and fun to drive the any other car I’ve owned.

      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by pTamok on Friday January 09, @04:55PM (3 children)

        by pTamok (3042) on Friday January 09, @04:55PM (#1429216)

        I'll agree that BEVs are great for modest daily use. I drive one myself. But I am not blind to the problems. The build quality of the BEVs I can afford is dreadful - because the cars are designed as an expensive battery with a cheap car built around it down to a price point.

        For non-modest use, the BEV I can afford does not have the range I would find convenient. To look after the battery you should really cycle it between 30% and 80% full when charging - which halves the sticker range. I have driven a garage's spare care (used when mine is in for work) that is exactly the same model and age as my own, and its battery has been abused to the extent that it's range is about 75% of new. So I look after the battery in my car, as I need it to last. Fossil-fuel powered cars are still better in that respect - I dont have to worry that filling the tank to 100% capacity will reduce the life of the car, and that full tank gives enough range to drive a (working day) without stopping.

        BEVs are also, in general, significantly larger than the IC engined cars they replace. (There are exceptions where an IC engined model is converted, but there are few of those on the market - the eGolf was one). This is a big problem for people using communal garages (such as in blocks of flats) as the parking spaces have not expanded since the flats were built several decades ago.

        It might be coincidence, but the move to controlling cars via a screen is also terrible for the ergonomics - this seems to have accelerated with electric cars. Furthermore, the parasitic drain of all the electronic components will flatten the 12-volt battery in my car in about 2 weeks. This is normal for the model, and means I need to leave the car on a 12V battery charger if I park it for an extended period. The car cannot use the HV battery to top up the 12V battery when the car is turned off.

        I think of my car like a magic easy chair: I sit in it and it goes, pretty much silently, and the low speed acceleration is unbelievable for those used to IC-engined cars. On motorways there is no engine noise, which is great. You get to hear the poor aerodynamics and crappy sound system instead. Luckily, I can slow-charge at home, so pay domestic electricity prices, rather than the 6 times higher prices for commercial fast-chargers in public charging stations. The car charges far more slowly than the 'sticker rate' (only achieved in optimal warm weather with a slightly under half-full battery) - and if I need to top up from 30% to 80% in winter ( when it is -10 Celcius) when doing one of my regular long tours, it will be 50% slower again, meaning that top up will take an hour. NMC batteries don't like the cold.

        Norway shows that you can successfully use BEVs in cold climates, but they are still less convenient than IC-engined vehicles for habitual long-distance drivers. If the Finnish Donut Labs battery [donutlab.com] is a reality, it could be a game changer - 400 Wh/kg, can be charged to full in 5 minutes, design life of up to 100,000 cycles, at –30°C, the battery retains over 99% of its capacity, and when heated to temperatures exceeding 100°C, it continues to retain over 99% capacity with no signs of ignition or degradation. Frankly, it sounds far too good to be true.

        • (Score: 2) by Ken_g6 on Friday January 09, @10:26PM (2 children)

          by Ken_g6 (3706) on Friday January 09, @10:26PM (#1429280)

          I'm curious what model of car you're driving. Is it a Leaf? And how many miles was the garage's spare car driven? California has some strict warranty requirements for EV batteries [recharged.com] that the garage's car is approaching.

          Many newer EVs will pre-heat the battery before arriving at a charger so they don't take twice as long to charge in the cold. Many can turn themselves on to top up the 12V battery - that's just software. It also sounds like you drive a lot more than the average person.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by bzipitidoo on Saturday January 10, @06:57AM

            by bzipitidoo (4388) on Saturday January 10, @06:57AM (#1429328) Journal

            I gave a BEV a try. Bought a used 2011 Nissan Leaf. It was an excellent car for any trip within half its range from home. Quiet, low maintenance, low cost, and instant power -- I floored it once to escape a tornado that was coming at me from the side.

            But the downsides were considerable. I learned I should have held out for no older than a 2013 Leaf, as I understand that's when the battery management improved. It had 50 miles of range when I got it. By the time I dumped it 6 years later, it was down to just 15 miles of range on a full charge. Battery degradation is much slower with better battery management.

            You want to do all your charging at home. Charging stations are not reliable. They can be broken, turned off, permanently decommissioned, or locked behind a gate. Or, occupied, and the occupant isn't leaving in the next five minutes, no, the occupant is going to be there for another hour or more. Too many times, I was stranded, waiting for a spot to open. And charging being so slow is of course one of the big problems. If you're at a stop for only 10 minutes, you're not going to get much charge. Further, most charging stations didn't take credit cards. I didn't think to inquire on that point when I got the car, because I'm so used to gas pumps that do take credit cards. Instead, there are half a dozen different networks, and for each network, you have to set up an account. Also, the pay stations tend to charge so much for electricity that you're not saving any money vs gassing up a gasoline car.

            One maintenance item that can be worse is tires. Electric motors are so powerful that they can wear a tire out in less than half the distance the tire was supposed to last. The solution is to use the car's eco mode, not its power or sports mode. That wonderful grippy surging feeling of power is the feel of your tire tread being rubbed off double quick.

            You also have to be diligent with the charging. If you come out in the morning intending to rush off to work, and you discover you're too low on charge, you're screwed. Takes only 5 minutes to gas up. But charge up? You're going to be very late to work.

            All in all, I'd try a BEV again, if it has lots of range.

          • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Saturday January 10, @02:10PM

            by pTamok (3042) on Saturday January 10, @02:10PM (#1429356)

            I'm not willing to say, as it makes it somewhat easier to work out who I am in 'real life'. Apologies.

            I will say it is not a Leaf, and the garage car had done almost exactly the same number of miles as mine, and was the same model year. It's why I noticed the considerably worse battery range, as I would have thought it had done more miles.

            Given the ranges given by insurance companies for miles per year, I would say I am very average, but my driving is relatively infrequent (i.e. not daily), but when I do drive the mix is a short journeys (less than 20 miles) and long ones ( a mix of more than 150/more than 400 miles ). A BEV is excellent for the short journeys, and its ability to automatically follow the traffic flow in slow stop/start traffic is wonderful compared to a stick-shift car. The automatic cruise-control that slows down if the car in front slows down is considerably worse than in my last IC-Engine car.

            The car does have battery pre-heat, but it does not seem to be very effective. It also has what appears to be a 'one-way' air conditioner: it cools fine, but uses resistive heating: my previous car had a heat pump that used the heat-pump to heat as well as cool. It made driving in winter great as the heated air was dry, so I had no condensation on the inside of the windows. On the current car, I am forced to turn on the screen demister more often than I would like.

            If topping up the 12V battery is just software, I can add it to the software niggles of my current car. It's a 'first world problem', but the music player is utterly lousy, and of course, being part of the built-in system can't be replaced by something adequately functional. Previous car was old enough to have a CD player and the ability to play music from SD cards, respecting the file-system. Current one just searches for all music files on a plugged-in USB stick, in all directories/folders, and then sorts them in one big list and plays them in order alphabetically.

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by aim on Friday January 09, @09:25AM (9 children)

    by aim (6322) on Friday January 09, @09:25AM (#1429166)

    a) The USA is not the world. Outside of MAGA-land, EVs are going quite strong, as is necessary if we (as humanity) want to keep our world livable.

    b) EVs is not Tesla. Yes, sales of Teslas are going down the drain, which is entirely the fault of its big boss's political stance. But, other auto makers are making up for that. For instance, in Germany Volkswagen Group is leading EV sales.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by namefags_are_jerks on Friday January 09, @10:23AM (5 children)

      by namefags_are_jerks (17638) on Friday January 09, @10:23AM (#1429169)

      EV Cars got 8% of 22025 New Car sales here in Australia (101513 out of 1241037), with a similar Tesla vs BYD battle result as in Norway. Japan's 2025 sales was only 2% for EVs. You're pulling something out of your arse there.

      • (Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Friday January 09, @12:22PM (3 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @12:22PM (#1429177) Journal

        The success of EV depends very much on supporting infrastructure. Japan opted for replacement plug-and-drive batteries which nobody else seems to have picked up on. In Europe where most refuelling stops on autoroutes and motorways support traditional fuel and EV, and many hotels and overnight stops provide EV charging, the situation is very different:

        He is not 'pulling anything out of his ass' - it is different around the world.

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by shrewdsheep on Friday January 09, @05:17PM (1 child)

          by shrewdsheep (5215) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @05:17PM (#1429221)

          Japan opted for replacement plug-and-drive batteries which nobody else seems to have picked up on.

          I always thought that this would be the best approach. It would solve many of the practical problems we have today with BEVs. I have only heard nonsense arguments like "how do I know I get a good battery" or "I wouldn't own my own battery" against this solution.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Saturday January 10, @04:09AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 10, @04:09AM (#1429313) Journal

            I have only heard nonsense arguments like "how do I know I get a good battery" or "I wouldn't own my own battery" against this solution.

            \ You're whistling past the graveyard. The first is an obvious problem. It's called Gresham's law [wikipedia.org] and describes a real world phenomenon. In a situation where good and bad versions of an exchangeable product are present in the same market, the good product will be taken out of the market and the bad used whenever possible. Sir Thomas Gresham, an English financier during the 16th century wrote to Queen Elizabeth the First at the time of her ascension to the throne about the danger of maintaining a debased currency. His observation was that people would save any good currency (like pure silver coins) and use the debased currency for transactions. This in turn eventually led to the saying of the "law": "Bad money drives out good."

            It's an obvious problem that in a market where you just drive up and swap batteries, that everyone involved has incentive to take good batteries out of the market and replace them with bad batteries for these exchanges. The swap station isn't the only party with an interest in hoarding good batteries, but it has by far the best opportunity to do so - with the profit motive of selling those good batteries in a secondary market.

            And the second complaint? Well, that's well known [soylentnews.org] too. It's called "software as a service" [archive.org] in IT and is a great way for a customer to lose control of their stuff.

        • (Score: 2) by namefags_are_jerks on Saturday January 10, @10:31PM

          by namefags_are_jerks (17638) on Saturday January 10, @10:31PM (#1429470)

          > it is different around the world.

          What I'm challenging is this part:

          >> Outside of MAGA-land, EVs are going quite strong

          EVs are not going quite strong. ICE sales are strong and not faltering globally, Hybrids are improving globally, 'Pure' EVs are tanking globally. Yes, you've leapt in to assist a fellow TDS.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Friday January 09, @04:36PM

        by zocalo (302) on Friday January 09, @04:36PM (#1429214)
        There are always going to be outliers, in both directions - viz. Norway vs. Japan. Australia is presumably one of those, because globally EV sales are definitely ramping up, as the GP said.

        I suspect a lot of those outliers will probably have significant variations in the reasons why too, besides the obvious ones of subsidies and running costs. Some will be purely cultural/ideological, levels of support infrastructure, one side having significantly better shills than the other, and also practicalilty. I'm now firmly in the EV driving camp, but if you're in a country where the roads you use are often unpaved, traditional filling stations can be long distances apart let alone EV charge points, and you need a decent cargo capacity, then I can totally see why you might look briefly at the available EV options, then head immediately over to the ICE section of the showroom.
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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by VLM on Friday January 09, @12:59PM (1 child)

      by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @12:59PM (#1429185)

      necessary if we (as humanity) want to keep our world livable.

      The problem with marketing a vehicle segment as "for the apocalyptic new age fire and brimstone religion" buyers is there's so few of them and the other 99% of the population are absolutely repelled by them and their propaganda. So that is NOT a winning marketing strategy. That's probably sold more gas burning cars than anything else out there with the exception of high cost. So maybe the 2nd best reason to by a gas burner.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 09, @04:24PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @04:24PM (#1429213) Journal

        [aim:] necessary if we (as humanity) want to keep our world livable.

        [VLM:] The problem with marketing a vehicle segment as "for the apocalyptic new age fire and brimstone religion" buyers is there's so few of them and the other 99% of the population are absolutely repelled by them and their propaganda. So that is NOT a winning marketing strategy.

        This. While I think there are more than 1% environmental doomers, they are much too scarce to carry a 100% switch to EV.

        And here, the problem isn't so much going from the conditional statement that if fossil fuel consumption is endangering the world, then reduce it by going EV, but the claim that fossil fuel consumption is endangering the world. For those who haven't drunk the kool-aid that claim is ridiculous since it's not backed by scientific evidence. Sorry, most of us will want a sufficiently important emergency before we massively change society.

    • (Score: 2) by Username on Friday January 09, @05:47PM

      by Username (4557) on Friday January 09, @05:47PM (#1429226)

      >in Germany, the german people's car is leading in EV sales.
      You don't say. I bet the Chinese people's car is leading in Chinese EV sales.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Friday January 09, @12:51PM (5 children)

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @12:51PM (#1429183)

    Chinese automaker BYD also made notable gains in Norway last year, though it remains far behind Tesla. Its market share increased from 2.1 to 3.3 percent, with sales more than doubling over the period.

    I would like one of these, although BYD's only been selling them since last April.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Seagull#Europe [wikipedia.org]

    I like the $12K price and I dislike the android tablet as UI although it seems to have real controls for the important stuff and uses the tablet for unimportant stuff so maybe thats OK. The battery is expensive and too large (a related problem) I would be happy with a battery half the size. Apparently they internally call it the "seagull" but seem to brand it as the "dolphin" anywhere that people have experience with seagulls which is pretty funny.

    I am very happy with my decade old Toyota Yaris and would buy another... but not for twice what a "dolphin" costs. I probably will not replace my Yaris until I can get this BYD product. I would buy a Tesla solely because of the kind of people who hate the CEOs political stands, the guy is a marketing genius in that way, but they're just too expensive. I'm sure a "dolphin" with a tesla badge would be at least $30K and I'd rather pay "dolphin" prices than tesla prices. I don't think Tesla has a long term plan to compete with companies that ship at a half to third of their cost, I guess just ride the stock market bubble until they close operations?

    So far in 2026 the longest drive I've taken was about 7 miles into a neighboring suburb, so I need at least 14 miles battery range. One of my kids has a sports tournament next month thats about 25 miles away so I know I need at least 50 miles battery range. Although there's chargers at the other end so I would be "ok but unhappy" with only 25 miles of battery. I would guesstimate I make at least two trips per day, all around town.

    Something these articles breathlessly intensely avoid is price. Walk into a dealership and compare. The cheapest Toyota EV is essentially the replacement for my Yaris model and its in the upper high $30K range whereas the cheapest gas burning Corolla is in the VERY low $20K range. So I can buy a Corolla and at least $17K of gas for the price of an EV. At $2.50/gallon and 35-ish MPG that means the EV only saves money after 240K miles or so. My "decade old" Yaris has about 50K miles (admittedly we lived thru covid as part of that era) so it would take roughly 50 years before the EV breaks even. Also manufacturing the gas burner is obviously wildly less environmentally destructive than the EV, and I won't end up in the news for our daily car fire.

    Something interesting about EVs: the new normal is a video is a car fire, at least once a day, often more. And lots of "fires that started in the garage". If theoretically we had 100x the number of EVs replacing all gas cars, we'd have 100x the vehicle and attached structure fires, and I think as a result we'd literally have to build more municipal fire stations to handle the load. The load will only increase as the vehicles age.

    • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Friday January 09, @04:18PM (3 children)

      by pTamok (3042) on Friday January 09, @04:18PM (#1429212)

      > Something interesting about EVs: the new normal is a video is a car fire, at least once a day, often more. And lots of "fires that started in the garage". If theoretically we had 100x the number of EVs replacing all gas cars, we'd have 100x the vehicle and attached structure fires, and I think as a result we'd literally have to build more municipal fire stations to handle the load. The load will only increase as the vehicles age.Can't find the actual statistics now, but EVs (currently, excuse the pun) spontaneously combust far more rarely than fossil-fuelled cars. It only appears 'often' because it is reported on.

      Here's a few reports:

      https://theconversation.com/electric-vehicle-fires-are-very-rare-the-risk-for-petrol-and-diesel-vehicles-is-at-least-20-times-higher-213468 [theconversation.com]

      https://insideevs.com/news/767908/ev-fire-safety-data-2025/ [insideevs.com]

      https://www.daze.eu/en/blog/electric-cars-vs-gasoline-fire-risk [www.daze.eu]

      the second report above says "it’s only fair to look at the fires per 1,000 vehicles registered metric. In this respect, internal combustion vehicles are tied with EVs, with a rate of 0.23 fires per 1,000 registered vehicles. Hybrids and plug-in hybrids are even lower, with a 0.04 reported fires per 1,000 vehicles." which doesn;t quite agree with the other things I've linked to, but I'm including it to provide some perspective. I have no idea why Poland might differ.

      And a couple of pdfs:

      https://www.europeanfiresafetyalliance.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/Magnus_European_Fire_-Safety_Week_2024_Evs_Hynynen_Arvidson.pdf [europeanfiresafetyalliance.org]

      https://www.lashfire.eu/media/2023/07/LASH_FIRE_Facts_and_myths_digital.pdf [lashfire.eu]

      Overall, I don't think your statement holds up. Feel free to provide evidence to the contrary: I'd be genuinely interested to see it.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Friday January 09, @06:05PM (2 children)

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Friday January 09, @06:05PM (#1429229)

        Overall, I don't think your statement holds up.

        Yeah I wouldn't trust the media where I live either.

        Its quite possible they report every EV fire because its interesting or unusual or some extension of TDS what with Musk having been tangentially related to Trump, whereas gas car fires are boring. I was wondering how many are spontaneous, how many are due to a crash, how many due to charging, etc.

        The closest I can find is from the Aus DoD (why are they, of all people, funding propaganda?) around a fifth were charging related and a carefully unlabeled bar graph of about half unknown cause and about a quarter in collisions. The remainder seem repair accidents, external fires, arson, submersion, etc. They claim there have been zero electrocutions from EVs which seems reasonable, they put a lot of care into preventing that. Hard to say where (probably Australia) or when. They do advertise themselves as "global EV battery fire experts" and everyone just loves and trusts 'globalists' LOL so I'm sure that will sell well.

        https://www.evfiresafe.com/_files/ugd/8b9ad1_01aa449ee5074086a55cb42aa7603f40.pdf [evfiresafe.com]

        When I try to find the primary source for your data all I find is legacy media quoting other legacy media as sources in a circle, much like diet advice or health/medical advice.

        • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Friday January 09, @08:48PM (1 child)

          by pTamok (3042) on Friday January 09, @08:48PM (#1429264)

          > When I try to find the primary source for your data all I find is legacy media quoting other legacy media as sources in a circle, much like diet advice or health/medical advice.

          And that is really irritating. I try to avoid that generally by referring to primary sources, academic papers and similar, so I apologise for not having the time to chase things down this time.

          My gut feel (which of course has no backing) is that the biggest issue is accidents damaging batteries, causing a short circuit and local overheating that generates a battery fire. Then again, leaking fuel tanks are hardly benign. Battery fires are nasty, as they are very difficult to extinguish and prevent from flaring up again, and generate toxic smoke. IC-engines generate toxic smoke as well: lubricants and plastic components produce extremely noxious gases, just not in the same volume as NMC electrolyte.

          The charge controllers in cars are generally very good at preventing overheating. Whether the components that handle the power conversion from AC to HV-DC for the battery are so good is another question: I suspect charging fires will be mostly in the power convertor, which has to deal with up to 22 kW conversion from AC to DC, which is non-trivial engineering. My car goes up to 'only' 11 kW.

          There are some hefty DC currents going around in BEVs - mine tells me that going slowly up a particular sharp incline, I am using 40A at 300V. 40A DC will dump a lot of heating into a poorly connected component where there is contact resistance. So bits of the engineering are good.

          What you don't get in BEVs are fuel system fires.

          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Saturday January 10, @04:45PM

            by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Saturday January 10, @04:45PM (#1429385)

            Yeah my experience with IC fires (very small scale) is they have a size graph thats quite reasonable. You set a carb engine on fire by backfiring and rev the engine hard it'll often blow itself out or shut it down and there's only a couple spoonfulls of gas in the carb. Enough to really mess stuff up but rarely incinerate the entire car.

            With EVs it seems once a fire starts the entire pack and all the energy in it is going up on smoke, pretty quickly and completely. The skeleton of the frame will be left, thats about it. A graph of fire intensive would be nothing happens until total incineration. I suppose that makes for some interesting news stories.

            I find it hard to believe no one is gathering independent fire data for IC cars, EV cars, all cars, etc but there's not much. Possibly the Australian DoD owns a fleet of on-road hybrids so they gathered that data. You'd think someone has the data. Maybe Consumer Reports. Hard to find.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 09, @06:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 09, @06:02PM (#1429227)

      > I would like one of these, although BYD's only been selling them since last April.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BYD_Seagull#Europe [wikipedia.org]

      Dream on. They don't pass US safety regulations, so can't be imported to USA. Passing requires engineering & simulation that starts with the initial design and a fairly wide assortment of crash tests. It's a several year process, at best.

      And, at least for the next 3 years, Trump isn't going to let them in, even if they do manage to pass all the crash testing.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 09, @09:55PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 09, @09:55PM (#1429278)

    The range is a little meh and they're not the best in the cold, but otherwise alright. A commuter can probably get by on one no problem.

    Where the scam comes in is providing government incentives to buy and once enough people bite, to jack up the price of electricity.

    Part of net-zero rests on trapping you in a geographic area and discouraging any extraneous travel. Now you'se can't leave. What better way than to push everyone on electric, make it expensive and ban gas. Then they can also chip away at your quality of life elsewhere with impunity.. where you gonna go.. go ahead and ride your bike in winter.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 10, @12:30AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 10, @12:30AM (#1429290)

      > go ahead and ride your bike in winter.

      Had to run a short errand (couple of miles) today, in Buffalo NY. It was 53F and a bit windy. The bike was perfect for today, overnight rain had washed away all the snow and road salt. I use a car when it's freezing and icy/snowy, but it's great to get out and ride when we have a thaw like this.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 10, @12:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday January 10, @12:00PM (#1429344)

        Yea a bike is more freedom than walking and a car is more freedom than that. What's the practical limit though? 30-40 miles? Suddenly driving out of state to buy things made "illegal" or heavily taxed in your locale becomes a nonstarter.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by anubi on Saturday January 10, @04:16AM

    by anubi (2828) on Saturday January 10, @04:16AM (#1429315) Journal

    Norway is rich in Hydropower. Lots of mountains and snow.

    Melting snow at elevation equals hydropower.

    Use it or lose it. Can't readily store it. And you are always getting more.

    Kudos to the Norwegian government for recognizing what they have and encouraging their populace to use it.

    Save those hydrocarbons for the Haber-Bosch ammonia reactors. The world's farmers really need that stuff.

    Somehow, plants ( except legumes ) didn't get the biologicals to extract nitrogen from air, and have to depend on thunderstorms to get their nitrogen as nitrates. While all the other life on this planet is based on nitrogen-based protein

    Even your pee is a literal gold mine for the building blocks of life. Urea. (NH2)2CO . The life cycles of this planet depend on thunderstorms, UV atmospheric light interaction, nitrogen-fixing bacteria, and now - Haber-Bosch. Once the nitrogen gets assimilated into a molecule of life, it is passed around from lifeform to lifeform. Comparatively speaking, very little new biologically available nitrogen is added to our biosphere yearly. The existing stuff is just inherited from life forms that used to have it. If there is not enough to go around, we get deserts.

    I asked Chat GPT and it replied that the Haber-Bosch process today is responsible for about half of all new contributions of biologically available nitrogen on this planet. If it wasn't for life here, we would have ammonia instead of plants and animals. I consider how much ammonia it took to make me.

    I asked GPT. I weigh about 200 pounds.
        * It took about 7.7 pounds of ammonia to make me. , or using another metric,
        * It took about 63 US gallons ( About 240 liters ) of human urine to make me.

    GPT showed me the math. It looked reasonable to me.

    So if we can use things like hydropower instead of burning hydrocarbons, hopefully we can have our creature comforts without burning the very building blocks of our own sustenance. These building blocks of life are very precious and should be passed back into the circle of life.

    --
    "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
  • (Score: 2) by Bentonite on Sunday January 11, @12:44PM

    by Bentonite (56146) on Sunday January 11, @12:44PM (#1429574)

    that can be commanded to lock the doors and drive you to a torture prison remotely.

    An electric car could quite easily be extremely reliable and easy and cheap to maintain (as there are less things to break), but of course every last model is full digital handcuffs and remote backdoors, that makes them expensive or impossible to repair and also allows them to be bricked remotely.

    I guess if light-weight and powerful electric motors not full of proprietary software and also suitable batteries, were to become more widely available and cheap, you could handcraft your own vehicle and be free.

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