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posted by hubie on Saturday May 02, @05:21AM   Printer-friendly

The classified deal apparently doesn't allow Google to veto how the government will use its AI models:

Google has signed a classified deal that allows the US Department of Defense to use its AI models for "any lawful government purpose," The Information reports. The agreement was reported less than a day after Google employees demanded CEO Sundar Pichai block the Pentagon from using its AI amid concerns that it would be used in "inhumane or extremely harmful ways."

If the agreement is confirmed, it would place Google alongside OpenAI and xAI, which have also made classified AI deals with the US government. Anthropic was also among that list until it was blacklisted by the Pentagon for refusing the Department of Defense's demands to remove weapon and surveillance-related guardrails from its AI models.

Citing a single anonymous source "with knowledge of the situation," The Information reports that the deal states that both parties have agreed that the search giant's AI systems shouldn't be used for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weapons "without appropriate human oversight and control." But the contract also says it doesn't give Google "any right to control or veto lawful government operational decision-making," which would suggest the agreed restrictions are more of a pinky promise than legally binding obligations. The deal also requires Google to assist with making adjustments to its AI safety settings and filters at the government's request.

"We are proud to be part of a broad consortium of leading AI labs and technology and cloud companies providing AI services and infrastructure in support of national security," a Google spokesperson said in a statement to The Information, adding that the new agreement is an amendment to its existing government deal. "We remain committed to the private and public sector consensus that AI should not be used for domestic mass surveillance or autonomous weaponry without appropriate human oversight."


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  • (Score: 4, Touché) by c0lo on Saturday May 02, @09:09AM (2 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02, @09:09AM (#1441344) Journal

    Department of War admits it is naturally stupider than the artificial intelligence.

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    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday May 02, @11:25AM (1 child)

      by Gaaark (41) on Saturday May 02, @11:25AM (#1441355) Journal

      AND drunker!

      Drunkee? Drunkiestist? Drum-kitist? Durnkissed...

      I, oh, i gots it... Hegseth!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, @04:42PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 02, @04:42PM (#1441368)

        Drunkarderest... Yeap, that's the one (don't confuse with him with Dmitry Medvedev, Putin has a lot more common sense than the orange clown).

  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday May 02, @09:15AM (7 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Saturday May 02, @09:15AM (#1441345) Journal
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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 04, @01:07AM (6 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 04, @01:07AM (#1441483) Journal
      I wonder how much money is going into LLMs from that? I get the impression that Trump is massively supporting the sector. That might mean that it'll collapse after he's out of office and the propping up goes away.
      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday May 04, @08:11AM (5 children)

        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 04, @08:11AM (#1441505) Journal

        Fair bet it will crash before Trump leaves office. At least that's Trump's business acumen so far.

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        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday May 04, @12:03PM (4 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday May 04, @12:03PM (#1441526) Journal
          The federal government can pump a lot of money. And this revenue is likely highly leveraged with a dollar of sales resulting in a substantial additional amount of debt or investment dollars. I grant that this particular snake might eat its tail way faster than even a major government can dump money, but it's still a lot of money to dump.
          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 05, @09:39AM (3 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 05, @09:39AM (#1441622) Journal

            The federal government can pump a lot of money.

            Ummm...

            Google search warning: total stock value of large AI players [https]

            Gemini offers:

            As of early May 2026, the market capitalization of the largest AI-focused players is heavily concentrated in a few mega-cap companies, with several surpassing or approaching the $3–4 trillion mark. The "Magnificent Seven" tech giants continued to drive most of this value, with their total market capitalization reaching approximately $21 trillion by the end of 2025.

            Another pick: [yahoo.com] (November 18, 2025)

            Goldman says the stock market has already priced in the AI boom, with $19 trillion of market value running ahead of actual economic impact so far
            ...
            The U.S. equity market may have already incorporated a significant amount of the potential long-term value generated by AI, according to a new analysis from the investment bank. Some “simple arithmetic,” analysts Dominic Wilson and Vickie Chang write, suggests market pricing for AI gains is running “well ahead of the macro impact,” with the valuation surge in AI-related companies approaching the upper limits of plausible economy-wide benefits.

            While Goldman’s portfolio strategy team maintains that company valuations are high but not yet at “bubble levels,” a macro approach helps set constraints on “what is collectively possible.”

            What do you reckon, how large the rescue package the feds can afford this time around?

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 05, @10:58AM (2 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 05, @10:58AM (#1441626) Journal
              Keep in mind two things: 1) high leverage - any hard assets and currency have greatly amplified effect at maintaining the froth of this market, and 2) the feds have been able to throw multiple trillions of dollars at things before (quantitative easing).
              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 05, @11:48AM (1 child)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 05, @11:48AM (#1441634) Journal

                any hard assets

                In AI? Except for the walls of the datacentres, how sure are you about their assets value [reddit.com]?

                2) the feds have been able to throw multiple trillions of dollars at things before (quantitative easing).

                Last time they saved the flow of money in the whole economy.
                This time, with or without AI, life can go on - nothing, except the stock market, collapses if AI crashes. Not like AI constitutes today a good percentage of the income in US economy.

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                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 06, @01:28AM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 06, @01:28AM (#1441685) Journal

                  In AI? Except for the walls of the datacentres, how sure are you about their assets value?

                  An asset doesn't have to be in AI to be exploited. For example, Oracle's recent sale of its healthcare division [soylentnews.org]. From that story:

                  According to the article, "multiple US banks have pulled back from Oracle-linked data-center project lending," which has "[pushed] borrowing costs to levels typically reserved for non-investment grade companies." Furthermore, "Oracle has already tapped debt markets heavily... and US banks are increasingly reluctant to provide more."

                  Selling that non-AI asset doesn't just give Oracle more money, but it drops it back into the lending zone for some of these banks.

                  Last time they saved the flow of money in the whole economy.

                  There's no expiration date on that excuse. Keep in mind that last time should have been just a failure of some part of the real estate sector. It ended up being much more than that.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Mojibake Tengu on Saturday May 02, @12:00PM (4 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Saturday May 02, @12:00PM (#1441356) Journal

    Well, Lawful Evil is still Evil. 'Any Lawful' obviously means 'Evil Included' without saying that.

    You already classified me. I am Chaotic Good. No tolerance for Lawful Evil. Not even sorry about that.

    Incompetent Large Language Models should be fed to exotic monsters.

    Frankly, current wars designed and executed by Palantir are not as spectacular by actual results as they were expected.
    Something got wrong.

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    Rust programming language offends both my Intelligence and my Spirit.
    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Unixnut on Saturday May 02, @12:25PM (3 children)

      by Unixnut (5779) on Saturday May 02, @12:25PM (#1441357)

      To me "lawful" just means "not against the law", with no bearing on whether something is ethical, moral or evil.

      Really in the context of government contracts whether something is "lawful" is kind of irrelevant, as government writes the laws. So in effect they can do anything they want with the technology.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by anubi on Saturday May 02, @01:09PM

        by anubi (2828) on Saturday May 02, @01:09PM (#1441360) Journal

        In the USA, the law is not necessarily the act.

        It is often applied differently to different classes of people.

        Unlike Natural Law, which respects no person. It applies to all.

        Most of our law is just a pecking order defining who can get away doing what.

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        "Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
      • (Score: 5, Interesting) by krishnoid on Saturday May 02, @05:06PM (1 child)

        by krishnoid (1156) on Saturday May 02, @05:06PM (#1441371)

        Here's a handy, if not authoritative description [d20srd.org] for how to disambiguate the various orientations. It's at least a good starting place to help with practical decision-making.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Tokolosh on Sunday May 03, @03:32AM

    by Tokolosh (585) on Sunday May 03, @03:32AM (#1441397)

    I hear all the time, "It's the law!" Usually it's not constitutional.

    The Judicial branch of government has been abject in protecting the People from the Leviathan - for almost 250 years. It's a one-way ratchet of lost liberty.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday May 03, @03:04PM

    by VLM (445) on Sunday May 03, @03:04PM (#1441427)

    "any lawful government purpose,"

    Thats kinda wild as even "carefully crafted code" often has disclaimers about not being used for nuclear reactors, aerospace, implanted medical devices, etc.

    There are code development processes and techniques to get approval for stuff like aerospace fly by wire code or medical implants, but most companies don't follow them and their liability insurance companies won't insure them for running nuclear reactors.

    So interesting that AI is only for companies "too big to fail" who self-insure.

    Also pretty scary that aircraft will fly overhead what had the avionics written by vibe coders with no QA/QC just "move fast and break things" such as nuclear reactors etc.

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