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posted by hubie on Sunday July 05, @11:35PM   Printer-friendly
from the blast-from-the-sesquicentennial-past dept.

Derek Thompson has republished excerpts from an almost 100-year-old report on what the US was like in the 1920s. He includes some of the charts and summaries.

One hundred years ago, on September 26, 1929, President Herbert Hoover gathered a group of social scientists at the White House. He asked them to begin research on the most detailed report ever produced on the state of the nation. Four years later, running more than 1,500 pages long, Recent Social Trends was published, offering an unusually granular look at life in the mid-1920s.

The document is almost entirely forgotten. But today, for America's 250th birthday, I'm blowing the cobwebs off this sucker and taking readers inside its yellowed pages for a look back at what life was like in the U.S. exactly 100 years ago, when the U.S. was celebrating its sesquicentennial anniversary.

Derek observes some interesting parallels between US society around both the sesquicentennial and the recent semiquincentennial.

A scanned version of Recent Social Trends in the United States: Report of the President's Research Committee on Social Trends is available online having been scanned at the University of California back when scanning old material was still allowed, though there are paper copies there and elsewhere. For now.


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  • (Score: 4, Touché) by SomeGuy on Monday July 06, @01:51AM (5 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Monday July 06, @01:51AM (#1447308)

    back when scanning old material was still allowed

    What? Why is that? I would think scanning old historical material would be mandatory. Of course, making them available would be a separate issue.

    Who to throw blame at? Copyright? AI? Donald Trump? All of the above and more?

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Monday July 06, @02:35AM

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday July 06, @02:35AM (#1447312) Journal

      Seems like a study paid for with tax dollars should be FOIAvailable... in a functioning government.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by canopic jug on Monday July 06, @04:06AM (1 child)

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 06, @04:06AM (#1447316) Journal

      Who to throw blame at? Copyright?

      Yes, in part, though I also would partially blame legalized bribery [brennancenter.org], too. Click on that last link in the summary, the one to the Hathi Trust listing for the digital artifact [hathitrust.org]. Then try to load the document from one of the sites. Notice that a barrier pops up falsely claiming copyright encumbrance for a FOIA document? Most books scanned by Google, back when they were not evil, were out of copyright and some materials (such as the government report linked to in the summary) were never under copyright in the first place. Many of the rest were out of print and will never have an additional printing run, ever. However, the copyright cartel has zero interest in those facts, nor do the politicians effectively on their payroll.

      He offered the library a deal: You let us borrow all your books, he said, and we’ll scan them for you. You’ll end up with a digital copy of every volume in your collection, and Google will end up with access to one of the great untapped troves of data left in the world. Brin put Google’s lust for library books this way: “You have thousands of years of human knowledge, and probably the highest-quality knowledge is captured in books.” What if you could feed all the knowledge that’s locked up on paper to a search engine?

      By 2004, Google had started scanning. In just over a decade, after making deals with Michigan, Harvard, Stanford, Oxford, the New York Public Library, and dozens of other library systems, the company, outpacing Page’s prediction, had scanned about 25 million books. It cost them an estimated $400 million. It was a feat not just of technology but of logistics.

      [...] Of course, it didn’t quite turn out that way. This particular moonshot fell about a hundred-million books short of the moon. What happened was complicated but how it started was simple: Google did that thing where you ask for forgiveness rather than permission, and forgiveness was not forthcoming. Upon hearing that Google was taking millions of books out of libraries, scanning them, and returning them as if nothing had happened, authors and publishers filed suit against the company, alleging, as the authors put it simply in their initial complaint, “massive copyright infringement.”

      Torching the Modern-Day Library of Alexandria [theatlantic.com], The Atlantic

      There more details are available at The University of Michigan [umich.edu] (warning for javascript) which was one of the lead partners.

      And that's just copyright. Don't get me started on illegal software patents, which are still getting granted despite being illegal, especially in the context of their impairment of 3D printing.

      That aside, the story of Project Ocean is quite interesting and Google employed several scores of engineers to develop methods using LIDAR and dewarping algorithms and more. The article in The Atlantic touches on a lot of that.

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      • (Score: 3, Touché) by mcgrew on Monday July 06, @06:09PM

        by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Monday July 06, @06:09PM (#1447381) Homepage Journal

        Many of the dangers of copyright law (except the BIG one, its length) are from people claiming copyright on things that simply cannot be copyrighted. For instance, anything 95 years older than its author's funeral, dance moves, recipes...

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    • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Monday July 06, @06:04PM (1 child)

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Monday July 06, @06:04PM (#1447378) Homepage Journal

      There is not and cannot be any law against scanning documents. There are laws against republishing without the author's consent. Most likely it means there was a school rule about using their scanners for any but certain purposes; in short, scholastic bureaucracy.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Bentonite on Tuesday July 07, @03:38AM

        by Bentonite (56146) on Tuesday July 07, @03:38AM (#1447493)

        The laws are about distributing copies and making copies without the *copyright holders* permission.

        Despite it arguably being illegal, US copyright does restrict scanning documents, especially so if such process requires bypassing digital handcuffs (although, attempts to implement a digital guard on computers so far haven't been successful, thus it's difficult to enforce such restrictions, due to it being hard to determine that copies have been made, until such copies are distributed).

        Schools often attempt to enforce such copyright restrictions, by ordering staff to guard copiers/scanners, just like the guards for copiers in the soviet union - when the school should not prevent learning, by restricting use of the scanner.

        The author is often not the copyright holder, due to having surrendered the copyright to some business, or some business being able to claim such copyright - such companies usually forbid such authors from being able to distribute their own works, while even greedy authors (you only hear otherwise from the illogically greedy), don't have a problem with their old works being distributed, at no charge after the book has run its course in ~3-5 years, as such sharing works as advertising for their newer books.

        You'll only ever hear complaints about copies being made of 5+ year old books by publishers and other insane cranks, who seriously believe that just because they once wrote a book, or they once paid (or didn't even pay) an author to write a book (that isn't a great book either), that they deserve to receive payments for the rest of their lives and then several generations of their decedents too (businesses and/or family members).

        Too bad the copyright laws have been written by and are enforced by insane cranks.

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by JamesWebb on Monday July 06, @03:40AM (2 children)

    by JamesWebb (59459) on Monday July 06, @03:40AM (#1447314)

    Thanks for posting this, good stuff.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by krishnoid on Monday July 06, @04:09AM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Monday July 06, @04:09AM (#1447317)

      It would be fantastic, 100 years later, to be able to feed all 1500 pages at that fine-grained level, into an AI and let you explore what it says about US life in its various facets, and to match and contrast that with personal/first-hand and other accounts of the time.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by mcgrew on Monday July 06, @06:24PM

      by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Monday July 06, @06:24PM (#1447382) Homepage Journal

      Here's another one. [mcgrewbooks.com] Only Yesterday, An Informal History of the 1920s by Frederick Lewis Allen, published in 1933. Most of the italicized words in it are actually links to the referenced antique book, movie, or musical piece.

      My Grandma was 17 in 1920 and told me things about that decade not in books, like the so-called "roaring twenties" only roared for the rich. Keep in mind reading it that when it mentions income taxes, before WWII you had to earn over four times the median income to owe any tax at all.

      It reminds me of now, only instead of Prohibition we have ICE goons, and Trump and his cabinet are far more crooked than Harding and his.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06, @03:52AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 06, @03:52AM (#1447315)

    U Michigan has an overview including an OCR'd Table of Contents, https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=11974&context=mlr [umich.edu]

    ''RECENT SOCIAL TRENDS IN THE UNITED STATES"
    REPORT OF THE PRESIDENT'S RESEARCH COMMITTEE
                      I
    SUMMARY AND COMMENT
    By Robert Cooley Angell
    I.
    NEVER before has a particular civilization taken so complete an
    inventory of its own activities as that presented in the two-volume
    Report of the President's Research Committee on Social
    Trends. Its more than 1600 pages are literally crammed with significant
    data regarding almost every conceivable aspect of American life,
    data gathered with great care and thoroughness by research men of
    unquestioned ability and scholarly standing. The easiest way to obtain
    an idea of the vastness of the undertaking is to scan the headings of the
    29 chapters written by some 40 authors:

    The Population of the Nation
    Childhood and Youth
    Utilization of Natural Wealth
    abor Groups in the Social Structure
    The Influence of Invention and Discovery
    The People as Consumers
    The Agencies of Communication
    Recreation and Leisure Time Activities
    Trends in Economic Organization
    The Arts in Social Life
    Shifting Occupational Patterns
    Changes in Religious Organizations
    Education
    Health and Medical Practice
    Changing Social Attitudes and Interests
    Crime and Punishment
    The Rise of Metropolitan Communities
    Privately Supported Social Work
    Rural Life
    Public Welfare Activities
    The Status of Racial and Ethnic Groups
    The Growth of Governmental Functions
    The Vitality of the American People
    Taxation and Public Finance
    The Family and its Functions
    Public Administration
    The Activities of Women Outside the Home
    Law and Legal Institutions
    Government and Society

    [...]

    It is obviously impossible in the space available to give even a brief
    resume of each chapter. Fortunately the Committee has prefaced the
    Report with a 65-page review of its findings, which we briefly summarize.
    The Committee, impressed by the fact that our problems mainly
    arise from the dynamic character of American life, planned the study to
    be one of social trends, chiefly since r 900. Their hypothesis was that
    most of our troubles arise from the unequal rates of change in various
    aspects of our lives, that they are due in other words to cultural lag.
    Though not explicitly adopting an economic interpretation of history,
    the Committee seems to regard the economic changes as basic and to
    feel that the government, or the family, or any other institution that
    is not in harmony with economic forces is maladjusted. The expressed
    aim is "to look at recent trends in the United States as interrelated, to
    scrutinize the functioning of the social organization as a joint activity
    ... to unite such problems as those of economics, government, religion,
    education, in a comprehensive study of social movements and tendencies,
    to direct attention to the importance of balance among the factors
    of change."

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by canopic jug on Monday July 06, @04:24AM

      by canopic jug (3949) Subscriber Badge on Monday July 06, @04:24AM (#1447318) Journal

      And the full text of Volume 1 is available via the University of California. See the first link in the last paragraph of the summary for a link to the first part. It seems that digital access to the second volume is no where to be found and false copyright warnings pop up when volume 2 links are clicked on.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by rst on Monday July 06, @09:06AM (2 children)

    by rst (2175) on Monday July 06, @09:06AM (#1447330)
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