CNN reports on the downing of a Russian Sukhoi Su-24 fighter-bomber jet that reportedly violated Turkish airspace:
One of the world's most volatile regions was roiled further Tuesday when a Russian warplane was shot down near the Turkish-Syria border. Turkey said it shot down a plane after the aircraft repeatedly violated its airspace and ignored several warnings.
Turkey's semi-official Anadolu news agency quoted Turkish presidential sources in reporting that the Russian SU-24 was "hit within the framework of engagement rules" in Syria's Bayirbucak area, near the border with Turkey.
But Russia's state-run Sputnik news agency said that "According to preliminary reports, the plane was gunned down from the ground."
Russian officials denied that the plane had violated Turkish airspace. Both pilots ejected from the plane, but their fate is unknown, Sputnik said.
NYT, Reuters. Also BBC Live Reporting and The Guardian live updates:
Turkey has released flight radar images appearing to show that the Russian jet briefly flew over southern Turkey before it as shot down, CNN Turk reports.
[...] Graphic video purporting to show a dead Russian pilot is being widely circulated, but we cannot verify its authenticity. BrookingsDoha analyst Charles Lister says the video shows the dead pilot wearing Russian uniform and equipment. He says the dead pilot is now reported to be in the hands of anti-Assad rebels from the Alwiya Al-'Ashar group.
Update #1
A video sent to Reuters by a Syrian rebel group on Tuesday appeared to show a Russian pilot immobile and badly wounded on the ground, and an official from the group said he was dead.
"A Russian pilot," a voice is heard saying as a group of men gather around him. "God is great," a voice is heard saying.
The video was sent to Reuters by a rebel group operating in the northwestern area of Syria, where groups including Free Syrian Army are operating but Islamic State has no known presence.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:32AM
Russia engaged ISIS, therefore Turkey (aka ISIS) retaliates.
(Score: 2, Troll) by SanityCheck on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:20PM
Right Mr Troll... And when Turkey's jet was shot down by Syrian government, and Russia told them to dispose of the pilots, who ejected safely mind you, that was what? Yes they can play innocent. Even thou they violate the NATO airspace daily almost and send subs into NATO territorial waters.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/June_2012_interception_of_Turkish_aircraft [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:41PM
Russia isn't funding, training, harboring, buying oil from, ISIS.
You know? ISIS, that merry bunch of psychopathic, CIA-trained-in-Turkey, "rebels" against the "dictator" Assad.
OTOH, USA-allied Saud dinasty aren't such hideous dictators. They just crucify (literally) apostates and adulterers. But Assad (the head of a modern state) is worse...
I pity you. And I hope the public, albeit very slowly, is getting more conscious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @03:59PM
Wow, you can tie everything to the CIA, can't you?
I wish I was as knowledgeable on world affairs as you.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @05:19PM
http://www.worldcorruptionmonitor.com/cia-funding-and-training-isis-just-as-they-did-with-osma-bin-laden-and-al-qaeda-in-afghanistan.html [worldcorruptionmonitor.com] (with interesting pictures)
http://yournewswire.com/declassified-documents-obama-ordered-cia-to-train-isis/ [yournewswire.com]
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq [theguardian.com]
http://www.australiannationalreview.com/isis-members-trained-cia/ [australiannationalreview.com]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-created-al-qaeda-and-the-isis-terror-group/5402881 [globalresearch.ca]
There. And on and on.
Add to it the qui prodest principle, plus the extrapolation of the offender's everyday modus operandi.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 25 2015, @12:19AM
Wow, the Russian astro-turfing team really does cover all corners of the Internet.
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:32AM
roiled
Is this actually a very common word that I've managed to miss until very recently? Or has it recently come into fashion for some reason?
It turned up on Slashdot a few days ago - albeit wrongly used.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:36AM
Not very commonly used for quite some time, no. Must have been on a word of the day calendar that people at several news outlets use.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:46PM
My knowledge has been embiggened by your cromulent reply.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday November 24 2015, @06:37PM
Not very commonly used for quite some time, no
It's been growing in use for nearly 200 years [google.com]
Strangely it's far more popular than "bonked [google.com]"
(Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:37AM
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=roiled%2Cangered%2Cprovoked&case_insensitive=on&year_start=1950&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3 [google.com]
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:56PM
https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=roiled%2Cembroiled&year_start=1950&year_end=2008&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2Croiled%3B%2Cc0%3B.t1%3B%2Cembroiled%3B%2Cc0 [google.com]
Maybe "embroiled" is getting too fancy for some these days.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 3, Funny) by ikanreed on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:22PM
It's, at worst moderately uncommon.
I think you've just got roiled rage.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:28PM
No [forgottenbooks.com]. But words like that are fun to use correctly - my personal favorites are "smote", "twain" and "methinks".
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday November 24 2015, @03:10PM
Don't forget "betwixt". (Hint: The correct usage of "betwixt" almost always involves the word "thighs".)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @04:11PM
How them skinny jeans fit ya? Does they go well with your fedora??
(Score: 3, Funny) by DECbot on Tuesday November 24 2015, @07:34PM
Methinks the rod smote betwixt thine twain buttock.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 2) by bart9h on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:34PM
Well, it's a perfectly cromulent word.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:34AM
"briefly flew over southern Turkey before it as shot"
This kind of crap can only make things worse.
I've got to ask - what does Turkey hope to gain in the area? They are no more sympathetic to the various tribes (Kurds, Yazidi, etc) than Daesh. Turkey was happy to cooperate with destroying Iraq, they want to destroy Syria, and they never voiced any concerns over Libya. Does Turkey WANT to be surrounded by dystopian theistic governments? Do they think that they can reestablish one of the former empires? WTF is Libya playing at?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:35AM
Last sentence should be "WTF is Turkey playing at?" When will I learn to actually preview the submission?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:38AM
Next Sunday.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by bro1 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:04PM
I lived in a country neighboring Russia. Based on Russian history and current crap that Russia is doing in Ukraine there is no wonder that everyone treats Russian military planes as a very unwelcome threat.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:41PM
"Russian army" is a proverbial phrase like mosquito is a pest.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:52PM
...and like mosquitos, you can kill one Russian soldier but there will be another million just like him
the Nazi's can attest to this
(Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:46PM
That Russia has gone. I think their population has shrunk to something like 145 million. What's more, "Overall, a quarter of Russian men die before reaching 55" [theguardian.com]. Russian men appear to be drinking themselves to death.
The old bogeyman of the endless Russian army has withered away.
I think it's a matter of time before China annexes Siberia. Maybe that's tugging at Putin's mind too and leading him to play Crazy Ivan.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday November 25 2015, @02:16AM
Hmmm. Yes, and no. Russia was in a fight to the death, so they threw far more resources into the fight than any other nation. Men, women, old and young - Russia marched troops to the fight with little to no training. It SEEMED that there was no end to Russian troops.
But, don't discount that killing Russian winter. The German high command discounted it, and sent German troops into that winter wearing summer uniforms, in many cases. I fear that without the winter for an ally, the Russians would have fared far worse than they did.
(Score: 4, Touché) by isostatic on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:18PM
I lived in a country neighboring Russia.
America? There's a 2.5 mile strait of water between the two countries.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:40PM
I think it's more like 53 miles, but yeah.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Informative) by soylentsandor on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:09PM
He's referring to the Diomede Islands [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @05:55PM
As a former Governor of Alaska, I can assert that it is indeed possible to see Russia from my house.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:20PM
I live in Finland which neighbours Russia, ~1300 km of common border. This article lists air space violations in the last 10 years:
http://yle.fi/uutiset/finnish_defence_force_lists_ten_years_of_airspace_violations/7442575 [yle.fi]
I wonder how come Finland hasn't yet shot down a Russian plane... just an angle here. I hear Russia likes to poke all around all the time these days.
(Score: 2) by SanityCheck on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:25PM
Maybe because Russian thugs were not responsible for downing of Finland plane in the past by supplying Syrian government with anti-air systems? Just a guess here...
Besides, Finland is a lot friendlier with Russia now than anyone else in Europe, Belarus included. They can overlook this, and they tend to be smarter about their position.
Turkey is run by a madman akin to Putin, the two of them swinging their dicks around will cause WW3 in short order.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:54PM
Their position is perilous if they even think bad thoughts about Russia. So of course they are going to be "friendly" a.k.a. scared of taking any other stance. No one wants to fuck with Russia and Russia knows that. They are still the boogey man thanks to Putin's KGB mindset and cult of personality.
Though if you ask me, Russia has and always will be a house of cards hidden behind a nuclear/military facade.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @06:34PM
the problem is that they do have nuclear weapons, no matter how much they're bluffing about everything else. would you call their bluff, and start a traditional war with them? how do you know they won't use nukes against "regular" weapons?
(Score: 1, Redundant) by c0lo on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:29PM
Global warming, mate, global warming. You see? ... one of the effects of it is that winters aren't what they use to be, not cold enough for a winter war.
No, summer is too fine of a weather to waste it on war - besides, it's still too short** for anything belligerently meaningful.
--
BTW - what day it was when your last summer happened?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Informative) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:31PM
Because Finns are sane, simple as that.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 25 2015, @06:50AM
They simply remember what happened to Finland, Sweden and Norway last time Russia was in trouble (hint - google "nordic banking crises")
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:28PM
I also live in a country with a Russian border and I am far more worried about my own government and it's mix of ineptitude, incompetence, ignorance, and infidelity towards its own people than anything the Russians do. In fact if anything the Russians are serving my interests to a far higher degree than anyone else right now. 2nd place on such a list is shared between Assad (I'm not a fan of dictators) and the Kurds (mostly muslims btw, let's not forget that) fighting against Daesh/Islamic State/other sunni hyper-nutcases and each other.
3rd is the real shocker: Iran :O (and they too of course are mostly muslim).
I pretty much hate islam (sufism is okay, "apostate" stuff like amadiya is tolerable too much like I wouldn't worry too much about mormons as long as I don't have to listen to any of their "teology") but credit where credit is due.
All the bullshit about freaking out over Russian planes flying by out in international airspace just doesn't make (and shouldn't make) any impression at all on anyone old enough to remember the cold war. The "panic" only makes our own military forces and politicians look like utterly pathetic fools.
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by FatPhil on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:49PM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Moru on Wednesday November 25 2015, @06:48AM
I live in sweden, a country close to Russia. The state has recently started to publish a shame-list of states flying or sailing over/on swedish territory.
Here is the toplist:
USA 7 times
Russia 6 times
Germany 6 times
Norway 5 times
Monaco 3 times
Netherlands 2 times
Bergium 2 times
Poland 2 times
Quatar 2 times
Albania, Bahrain, Denmark, Estonia, France, Portugal, Turkey 1 time each.
Russia is provoking about once or twice every week but not actually coming close enough to count. The USA is flying close to the border with signal-tracking planes and the times when they get in swedish air space is usually when they are running away from the russian defence. Or they have "missunderstood" the rules. The rest of the list is mostly misunderstandings of rules.
Most of the last ones are misunderstandings of the rules.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday November 25 2015, @08:39AM
I'm pretty sure the single Estonian incident was just a Viking Line Helsinki-Tallinn booze cruise where even the captain was drunk. More sensibly, the US ones may have been NATO planes chasing Russian planes away from the Baltic States, occasionally they do get chased into Swedish airspace (and in the incident I remember earlier this year, the Swedish airforce did indeed scramble its own planes to join in the party).
Less sensibly, you've reminded me I need to visit Beergium again.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:39PM
There's a long history of enmity between Russia and the Turks. Putin likes to posture to Russians that he's restoring Russian greatness, so it is possible he's messing with the Turks as part of that overall internal PR strategy. Anyway, it's stupid thing for him to do, because Turkey is a member of NATO; messing with Turkey is messing with NATO. If NATO is drawn into Syria, it will be game over for ISIS and Assad very quickly.
As a side note, it would reshuffle the Middle Eastern deck in a way it hasn't been in a while, since Turkey's been quite focused on Europe for the past 100 years rather than their old Ottoman stomping grounds to their South.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by zocalo on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:52PM
The civilians in the area, the Turkmen, are ethnically very close to the Turks and the Turkish government has been protesting to the Russian government about their support of the Syrian government ground forces who are also engaged in the area for several days now - the Turks allege that Russian forces have been bombing villages instead of the IS-aligned terrorist factions they claim are their sole targets, and so on. They've also been protesting the Russian's getting too close to, or even inside, their airspace almost since they started operations in the region and declaring a clear intent to open fire in the event of future incursions. It seems reasonable that either both those boxes were ticked by the Russian jet or someone on the Turkish side thought they did, and so here we are hoping cooler heads will prevail for once.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 5, Funny) by VLM on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:07PM
The jerk in charge of the Turks hates the jerk in charge of Syria and corruption is rampant in that part of the world so official policy has little to do with what happens on the ground therefore officially Turkey the Country will not smuggle and money launder Daesh crude oil, but in practice on the ground they're total BFF, Turkey is probably Daesh's greatest ally, or at least a better ally than most.
Also the Turks bitterly hate one of their ethnic minorities, the Kurds, and would give them the Armenian genocide treatment if there weren't so darn many of them, or would emulate Germany's solution to the jewish problem (aka the Turks really hate the Kurds like westerners simply cannot culturally understand anymore) therefore the Turks are bombing the hell out of Kurds living anywhere from Iraq to Syria. Which kind of offends the official govts of Iraq and Syria and their allies like the Russians.
Turkey doesn't really hate Iraq (although they dislike them somewhat) what they really hate is the Kurds living in Iraq. So that leads to confusion about Turkey isn't bombing the hell out of Iraq the country, they're executing Kurds who incidentally live in the borders of Iraq. If Kurds lived in Japan and they thought they'd get away with it, they'd bomb the hell out of land in Japan with the intention of killing Kurds.
Turkey IS a dystopian government so they're cool with neighbors like them.
The Turks invaded the Kurds lands centuries ago so anything the Russians do to piss off the Turks is fine with them. It would be a nightmare for the Turks if with the help of the Russians the Kurds got their Kurdistan they've always wanted. Because they're allied with Syria the land probably isn't coming from Syria. Because the Iraqis are still sort of allied with the USA the land for Kurdistan isn't coming from Iraq. But it COULD come from Turkey...
It is pretty much everyone trying to ethnically cleanse everyone else. Seriously!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @09:09PM
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 24 2015, @09:16PM
But Turkey still is in the NATO, that is, not only sort of allied with the USA, but actually, officially allied. Therefore Russia will probably not want to attack them.
(Score: 2) by Geotti on Wednesday November 25 2015, @01:52AM
However, it became apparent throughout the day that it was Turkey who played their cards wrong and attacked, and since NATO is a defensive alliance Turkey will have to stand alone for quite a while. In any case they will not be able to invoke article 4.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:14PM
(Score: 3, Informative) by n1 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @11:44AM
Reuters: [reuters.com]
mcclatchydc reported in October [mcclatchydc.com] in relation to a previous Russian incursion into 'Turkish airspace':
(Score: 4, Informative) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:52PM
That's very interesting, Turkey of course has no legal basis to establish any such zones over Syria.
The only planes that are legally in Syrian airspace are those of the Syrian state and those that Syria has invited (as far as I know that only includes Russian airplanes, not any US or French or British etc. planes).
RT has some live TV [rt.com] coverage that is also very interesting, as well as articles on their website [rt.com].
Watch and read before it's banned outright :3
Among the information there is that the plane was 1 Kilometer away from the border and on the Syrian side (with a crash site 4 kilometers away into Syria), add that to what you said and it "explains" the attack on a very rudimentary level; as Putin has already said the Russian warplane posed absolutely no threath to Turkey.
My opinon:
Turkey is just doing their bit to attempt to play victim and acting as if it was a Turkish plane being shot down. View this together with the recent nazi attack on Ukraininan soil against energy infrastructure that also distributes eneregy to Crimea (but also Ukrainian nuclear plants) and it's just more US-engineered crimes desperately aimed at controlling the narrative and/or creating as much noise and distraction as possible: anything that will stop people from realizing US and US allies both in Europe (primarily Turkey, what's left of Ukraine, the UK) and the Middle East (Saudi Arabia and all the other arabs) are the key supporters of nazi and muslim terrorism and warfare.
Russians and everybody else takes note and some day the score will be settled. The US/Turkish/nazi campaign of aggrevation will fail yet again and even more people will slowly realize that "we"/"our" governments in the west have become the bad guys after the end of the cold war.
And while everyone is distracted the surveillance and manipulation increases. That is not aimed at the muslims or nazis, they're not even bothering to sacrifice some scapegoats because they still get away with saying "trust us we did so and so" years after Snowden: the surveillance and manipulation is aimed at you and me.
It will be interesting to see what NATO says in a their press conference in a few hours time, don't expect any truths or any cricism of Turkish bloodlust, the best one can hope for is that they're deliberately lukewarm (doubt they will be).
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(Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:21PM
the plane was 1 Kilometer away from the border
They're playing for the press with this one. The ignorant general public.
At typical modern fighter bomber speeds that plane was inside Turkish borders less than ten seconds previous. They can turn fast, but not that fast.
We're not talking about camel cavalry being ten minutes off course or foot infantry being a half hour off course here. In less time than it took for the dude to arm a missile, lock it on, and push the button, the Russian plane was where it shouldn't be. In fact I'd have to run the numbers on that specific missile, I'm pretty sure when the missile was in the air the plane was still over Turkish territory. Yes missiles go fast but they can only accelerate at (classified) G force plus the plane was some distance away.
This is also why the Russians are not pushing that aspect of the issue seriously beyond the PR angle for the dumber segments of the public.
Finally the speed of supersonic jets interacts with the itchy trigger finger being complained about. On a fast bombing run you have a couple seconds at 5 mile range before either you get bombed or you launch on the incoming bomber. Five miles seems a little excessive for a Greek Trireme or a WWI biplane, but not for modern velocity warfare.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @03:13PM
I hope you're underestimating people when you say they don't realize that fighter jets move fast but maybe you're right.
If I understand you correctly you're wrong about air to air missiles [wikipedia.org], short range is less than 30 kilometers. If it had been a Sidewinder it would have had to be fired from anywhere between 1 to 30 kilometers away. Most AAM are designed to outrun any plane they're used against, that's sort of the whole point, the official number for a Sidewinder is Mach 2 (no pilot will do that continuously for long enough to beat it on speed alone but can beat it on range and manouverability if they're fortunate).
The way you portray things the Turkish attack would have to be premeditated, my own opinon is that it likely was but it wouldn't have had to be or at least not with the little we know so far.
PR angle? A russian plane was shot down by a Turkish plane, there's no need for any PR angle, the Russians will be angry and get back at Turkey in due time and that's about it.
What do you think would happen if China shot down a US plane in South Korea? Would there be a PR angle and/or would it matter at all to what the US did in the future after such an attack? :3
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by FakeBeldin on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:15PM
Turkey has been warning Russia about violating its airspace. Russian fighter jets kept violating their airspace. Turkey (a NATO partner) complained to NATO, in response to which NATO told Russia to stop that. Turkey repeatedly has said it will shoot down (syrian-conflict-related) planes violating its airspace. In the last fortnight, they shot down a drone (thought to be Russian, but no one has claimed the drone). After that, the Prime Minister said "had it been a fighter jet, we'd still have shot it down."
Well waddaya know. The Turks are actually doing what they've been saying repeatedly (to Russia, to the Russian Ambassador in Turkey, with NATO backing again to Russia).
Note that the Russians are claiming their jet wasn't in Turkish airspace. They're not claiming "That's insane! you don't shoot down a plane!" - they're just saying that where it happened, that's not exactly the place where it'd have been okay.
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:54PM
They are saying it's insane and more precisely "a stab in the back", go listen to them before saying what they're saying :3
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 25 2015, @07:21AM
Russia just moved a sea based anti-aircraft system in the area and "warned" that any potentially dangerous aircraft will be shut down. All bombing missions will be escorted by fighters as well. Russia also stopped all military contacts with Turkey (that were not used to prevent the conflict anyway).
(Score: 5, Funny) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:19PM
OK Eurofolks, we have a few hours until the USA wakes up and starts prognosticating wildly about WWIII*. Buy shares in tinned food and ammo now!
*Pronounced DubbyaDubbyaEyeEyeEye
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:12PM
No need for useless shares as I've got a full pantry, this Turkish attack isn't going to force me to use them.
Turkey's problem is that they're led by a meglomaniac with added messianic tendencies. Turkey doesn't have much of a standing in Europe, not in NATO either, people know them well enough and they're not at all popular, not even among the "elite" scumbags. I've said it before that I'm "far right"/alternative right and about the only Turks I can support are the socialist/communists, some of the Kurds (not really Turks in the first place) and the staunch hyper-secularists (who used to control the Turkish army but who have been cleansed during the past ten years or so). The present Turkey would never have gotten NATO status if they had to appliy for it now.
This is more likely to increase Turkish civil strife and harden the internal split which is roughly 50-50 than any war between NATO and Russia & China+.
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(Score: 5, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday November 24 2015, @12:59PM
Turkey shoots (n.) down (v.) Russian fighter jet
Must be pretty crappy jets if people shooting turkeys can down 'em.
systemd is Roko's Basilisk
(Score: 5, Funny) by isostatic on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:17PM
I predict in a rare show of solidarity, America will unite, Republican and Democrat, to roast turkey in a couple of days.
The rest of the world will wait another 29 days
(Score: 1) by xav on Wednesday November 25 2015, @02:08AM
Let's call that event Tankgiving.
Turkey will then be assaulted by men armed with forks, I foresee it.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday November 24 2015, @01:34PM
Would you call that a 'Turkey Shoot?'
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 5, Funny) by gidds on Tuesday November 24 2015, @02:16PM
Surely someone must have posted this before now?
No-one...?
Well, I'll take this one for the team:
Ahem. Sorry.
[sig redacted]
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Tuesday November 24 2015, @03:23PM
Oh wow that's pitch black but hilariously good XD (and the Russian versions of Dianne Feinstein (there's more than one in their parliament) will/would freak out like they did with the Hebdo thing).
Sure I feel sorry for the pilots but the joke didn't kill them. No guilt for laughter.
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