from the and-the-world-is-a-worse-place-than-yesterday dept.
Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock:
With a heavy heart Debian mourns the passing of Ian Murdock, stalwart proponent of Free Open Source Software, Father, Son, and the 'ian' in Debian.
Ian started the Debian project in August of 1993, releasing the first versions of Debian later that same year. Debian would go on to become the world's Universal Operating System, running on everything from embedded devices to the space station.
Ian's sharp focus was on creating a Distribution and community culture that did the right thing, be it ethically, or technically. Releases went out when they were ready, and the project's staunch stance on Software Freedom are the gold standards in the Free and Open Source world.
Ian's devotion to the right thing guided his work, both in Debian and in the subsequent years, always working towards the best possible future.
Ian's dream has lived on, the Debian community remains incredibly active, with thousands of developers working untold hours to bring the world a reliable and secure operating system.
The thoughts of the Debian Community are with Ian's family in this hard time.
His family has asked for privacy during this difficult time and we very much wish to respect that. Within our Debian and the larger Linux community condolences may be sent to in-memoriam-ian@debian.org where they will be kept and archived.
Docker, Murdock's employer, has this statement (cache).
Ian Murdock: How I came to find Linux, from August.
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[Debian founder] Ian Murdock posted a really worrying message saying that he's going to commit suicide, and later on, he continued the series of posts by saying that he has been beaten by the police and charged with battery. It's not clear what exactly has transpired, but people are split down the middle on whether to believe the whole thing or not.
One of the theories doing rounds is that his Twitter account got hijacked and someone is posting stuff on it. The latest tweets do not match the way he usually talks on Twitter, making this a likely scenario.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:08PM
Let's celeberate his parting words to the world [googleusercontent.com]:
Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.
Seems little Ian was a closet racist.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:11PM
Fuck off. He meant that he thinks that people don't care about police brutality when it happens to black people ('niggers') and hopes that if it happens to a 'successful business man' people will start caring.
Too bad some people care more about whether someone said 'nigger' than if they killed themselves.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:13PM
Oh okay. So now that it's undeniable that he posted all the crazy tweets, you guys are now just re-characterizing them as social statements. Riiiiiiight.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:18PM
except the tweet seen here is a social statement...
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:19PM
Yeah, his closet racism.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:25PM
Parse the sentence, it's plain English. Of course you won't, hopefully non-trolls will.
Not that it matters, Ian's contributions to humanity are not to be eclipsed by you or others' flames.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by julian on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:12PM
It's clearly crass and irreverent, but a more charitable interpretation is that it was meant sarcastically to mock people who consider police brutality to be merely a black problem, or merely a poor people problem and thus not worth addressing. In that context, it's actually the opposite of racism, it's a condemnation of it.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:14PM
Really? Yesterday everyone was trying to damage control and spin his tweets as if "muh twatter got hacked". Strange how the narrative suddenly changes to him actually fighting for social justice instead.
(Score: 2, Informative) by julian on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:20PM
Everyone? Would you kindly stop characterizing individual opinions as belonging to some collective? This is the first I've commented on this topic in any capacity or forum.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:26PM
Yes, nearly everyone was pushing that narrative. It was even what yesterday's submission tried to push because it was too uncomfortable to just admit the truth. But, hey, keep spinning the story it's quite amusing.
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:29PM
> admit the truth
I'd really want to know what elements of unadulterated truth anon has that the rest of the internet lacks. No, citing discussions probably infested by the same trolls of today is not truth.
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(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:30PM
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:34PM
I don't think anyone was "pushing" that narrative. Among others, I noted that the theory had been put out there. I was HOPING that was the case. Didn't "push" it. There is obviously more to this story than has been publicized. I don't know what to think at this point - and I think a lot of other people are in the same position. I just always assumed that Murdock was a rational person, but I really don't know anything about him. Drugs? Yes, some of us did ask about drugs. People do crazy shit when they are on drugs.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:37PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:45PM
This stinks.
It reminds me of the death of Sandra Bland [wikipedia.org]. She was arrested, jailed, and supposedly killed herself by hanging herself from a plastic bag while in jail. A toxicologist said:
--http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/experts-report-shows-sandra-bland-may-have-used-pot-in-jail/ [seattletimes.com]
There's been speculation that the police may have fed her marijuana-laced food, and that they killed her.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:33AM
I don't believe for an instant that Sandra Bland simply committed suicide. Her death happened while in the custody of the police, therefore they are responsible, no matter what the circumstances. Prison can be so awful that the threat of it is enough to drive people to suicide. It's also extremely depressing to be the victim of blatantly unfair treatment, threatened with trumped up charges, and the very illegal but entirely too common neglect and brutality meted out in prison. That's what happened to Aaron Swartz. In Sandra Bland's case, the particular police involved are known to be racist thugs. Peter Sunde can tell us that prison falls very short of standards of treatment they are supposed to maintain, and much of the neglect is calculatedly deliberate. A case I think should have gotten more attention is the one of the D.C. Madam, Deborah Palfrey. She ran an escort service, a naughty, prostitution business, but she tried to run it legitimately, actually seemed to care about her employees as well as customers. The Puritans among us, some of whom are the rankest hypocrites, declared the whole thing a criminal, immoral enterprise and weren't satisfied with shutting her business down, no, they also had her convicted. Of course they also wanted her silenced, didn't want it known they'd used her services. She had already served time, and declared that she would never go back to prison, she would commit suicide first. And she did. Prior to that, one of her employees, Brandy Britton, once a college professor, committed suicide, apparently from the shame of being outed, accused, and forced to trial. All of them are people who dared to challenge society, hold a mirror up to some of our flaws, and instead of being thanked, were branded as criminals and hounded.
Another problem is the Prison industrial Complex. Our legal system has a little too much self-interest in hounding the accused, and sometimes will go absolutely ape shit on someone not because they really think the accused is such an awful person, but for what looks like easy money. "Throw the book at them." At that point, they no longer give a damn about the individual, they've dehumanized the accused, turned them into raw material to grind down for profit in their own peculiar way. There's also the problem of being more interested in scoring points with the public for being tough on crime, and too often they have railroaded the wrong person, wanting to make sure someone gets punished for some awful crime, and not caring near enough whether they got the right person. And so we've had a lot of people awaiting the ultimate punishment, death, who turned out to be innocent. It's more than embarrassing, it shows us as reckless and uncaring of life and justice. Thankfully, the death penalty has now gotten such a bad odor that it is being curtailed everywhere.
Whether the police had anything whatever to do with Ian Murdock's death, I have no idea. Without any evidence, I would suppose not. Suicide is one of the leading causes of death.
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:23AM
No, please don't assume that on the basis of missing information, it only applies to a sane world. You (and others) are in fact in a manner of speaking being far "too rational" out of habit and conditioning. Tidying up "the world" like that is one of my own biggest flaws; it makes things easy when they're not and shouldn't be.
I say that even though I agree with most but not quite all of what you say, for sure her death and alleged suicide is highly suspicious, as is a lot of other deaths. [Color is a red herring, more so-called "whites" die than any other "color" & death is a boolean not a percentage. Every single one bled red].
Likewise this death also strikes me (an uninvolved distant observer) as highly suspicious. Yes of course there's so much I have no way of knowing but the twitter posts could have been written by anyone; fake suicide notes (what the twitter posts amount to or allude towards) are nothing new. Until there's some semblance of an explanation I'm going to assume the worst (murder for whatever reason, most likely connected to "national security" one way or the other).
Isn't that what everyone is already thinking when an influential/key person suddenly dies without warning? Well if it isn't then it should be because we have tons of documents illustrating what has been going on so far this century; guilt on the part of the powers that be should be assumed, it's assuming anything else that requires quite outlandish conspiracy theories.
People who fight don't just suddenly belly up on their own accord. It takes a lot to make a fighter go down, huge amounts of pressure over (sometimes amazingly) long periods of time, and the vast vast majority of people are actually fighters although many of them are unaware of it. People who are aware that they're fighting —like Sandra Bland, Aaron Swartz, and Ian Murdock and many many others known and unknown must have been— are even more stubborn and stubborn to the point where someone piling on the pressure is much more likely to kill and fake a suicide.
The family have asked for peace and that is understandable but I hope that despite their grief they are being extremely wary of foul play.
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(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:36PM
Oh, I know we're all in a fight. It's the War on Greed. Rather than acknowledge reality, the MAFIAA in their greed has declared war on everyone and the universe too. They sing a siren song of enormous profit through control of information and the tools to work with it, and a lot of other powerful businesses have foolishly tacked their way. Their claims of $75 trillion in losses to piracy are completely ludicrous, and though they have done so much more, that alone should have made them the laughingstock of the world. Instead, a lot of businesses have cautiously embraced their thinking, differing perhaps in minor details, but, as the expression goes, "signed up for their newsletter", as well as Big Tobacco's "doubt is our product". When they sucker others into paying for the policing they want done, other businesses sit up and take notice. Trump's idea of building a wall on the Mexican border and making the Mexicans pay for it is an excellent example of this model. Microsoft leaps to mind as one of those who took note, but they are hardly the only ones. Polluters have been following that business model for decades. Someone else, most often the public, gets stuck with the job of cleaning up the mess they made. Superfund me, baby!
The War is much wider than the MAFIAA and whatever wannabe partners slither up to them from the tech industry. They aren't the leaders, they're just one of the rabid attack dogs, noisy backbenchers. Big Pharma and Monsanto are on board. We've been blessed with a new poster villain to represent Big Pharma, Martin Shkreli. I don't think it's coincidence that a bunch of accusations against him surfaced now. Information control and monopoly through copyright and patent law is not the only one. There's also Big Oil, big telecoms companies, and the biggest of them all, the still too big to fail banks and financiers of Wall Street. Even governments have gotten on this bandwagon, expanding from speed traps to red light cameras, civil forfeiture, and the looting of pension plans. If anyone is the leader of the Armies of Greed, it is "Greed is Good" Wall Street. I wonder if capitalism has gone wrong, has lead people into thinking too short term. Would these business leaders really drive us all into Climate Change Hell on Earth? Abdicate all responsibility for the situation, and to add to the injury, rob the public finances urgently needed to deal with the problem?
Whether Ian Murdock's death is a part of this War, I don't know. You say we should suspect it is. It certainly could be. Follow the money. Who benefits from Ian's death? Doesn't seem like there's any direct benefit to any business interest, but if there is something foul about it, it could also be motivated by sophistry, by belief in greed. Heard many a time of businesses refusing to use Linux not out of any valid technical point, but out of a vague feeling of squeamishness that Linux maintainers aren't true believers, are just a bunch of smelly, flaky hippies they fear cannot be counted on for support. They don't come right out and say that, but that's what it is.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:44PM
Strange how the narrative suddenly changes to him actually fighting for social justice instead.
What's strange is that you think hoping a person hasn't gone crazy and is about to commit suicide is a "narrative."
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:15PM
Nice try at derailing anon.
Can you point at other evidence about Ian who is not in a twitter account whose last messages don't match his writing style? It wouldn't be the first time accounts get compromised, nor that an account owner is forced to give up his credential for somebody else to write.
The circumstances around his death are not anywhere to be seen and the family plea for privacy are a big honking red alert.
Age of information*
*)some information is more equal than others.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:17PM
It wouldn't be the first time accounts get compromised, nor that an account owner is forced to give up his credential for somebody else to write.
So where's your evidence that it happened here? Oh right, you don't have any.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:49PM
Let me teach you about logic.
Anon: X therefore racism
Bot: X is not proven as true
Anon: prove that it was not X
Not X is not given as true either
implication is still false until X is proven
Now if you have to add something to logic theory, that we may have overlooked...
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:23PM
The fact that the circumstances are not disclosed tells me that they are taboo: which fits with the uncharacteristic tweets.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by takyon on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:24PM
That or the grieving family doesn't want to talk about it, like every grieving family ever.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:36PM
I have seen my share of grieving families, they give a broad answer to the "wtf happened?" everybody has in their heads when sudden death happens.
The total secret either helps to fuel speculation, or is meant to hurt both the image of ian and of those who fuel speculation who will later be exposed as conspiracy theorists. Neither is good.
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:39PM
Yes, but in this case, it probably runs counter to Ian's wishes and intent.
(Not that that would make it any easier on them).
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:08PM
It is sad that a tech savy individual couldn't make his last wishes known above all doubts.
On the other hand, short of using an untampered pc to post to freenet gnunet tor and ipfs and a couple hundred printed leaflets of a pgp-signed message to throw from an attic, most of us can't do that either.
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(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:37AM
And adding on top of that for all we know (we know nothing) he was dead before the tweets were written and his last wishes were of an entirely different and more pressing nature.
Harsh & uncomfortable but true.
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(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:33PM
Suicide is considered taboo by a lot of people. Most people don't want to think or talk about it, especially those who have recently been victimized by a loved one committing suicide.
That said this is a real shame because it is something that needs to be talked about.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:41PM
Really? In some other circles, it seems as if it is treated as the standard way out if you don't "fit in" or can not adapt, or such. Especially seem true in TV media (both modern and old). If you are the monster, you are expected to die.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:57PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:13PM
A comment almost exactly like this was posted to The Green Site [slashdot.org] around the same time as this one. That entire thread is full of even more race baiting than this one.
(Score: 3, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:34PM
A comment almost exactly like this was posted to The Green Site [slashdot.org]
Oh, well obfuscated.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:17PM
> Seems little Ian was a closet racist.
Are there any other posts that suggest he was racist? Because that one sounds a lot like the Justine Sacco tweet: [nytimes.com] “Going to Africa. Hope I don’t get AIDS. Just kidding. I’m white!”
(Score: 5, Insightful) by opinionated_science on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:11PM
A real shame to be broken this way. Very sad.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:20PM
'Offtopic'? There's some really weird modding going on in this comment section. Seems like someone has a grudge against Ian.
Inappropriate at a time like this.
(Score: 5, Funny) by isostatic on Wednesday December 30 2015, @11:04PM
systemd will do that to a man
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @11:47PM
systemd will do that to a man
Yep, seconded. This is the first of many systemd-related casualties we should expect. Hug your kids extra tight when you tuck them in tonight.
And just wait--the RedHate shills will be called to action and they'll show up with their high-and-mighty rhetoric designed to conceal the true problem.
(Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:36PM
You jest, but I found it curious that he emphasized being white several times in his tweets and dropped the n-bomb once.
I have a feeling there is much more to this and that it involves systemd and possibly Debian Women. Maybe my tinfoil's on too tight. I'll need to review the drama concerning its adoption in his distro.
I highly suspect he was a victim of social justice bullying. It can do that to you. You get accused of being a racist enough times and sooner or later you're dropping the n-bomb. Obviously, he couldn't live with that. I really can't blame him. I've been there before, with a knife against my jugular. I only have cannabis flower to thank for not meeting a similar fate.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:16PM
Yesterday was probably too late to intervene. He had already made up his mind, and had contingency plans in place.
I had a co-worker commit suicide as well. I suspected something the day before, but she denied anything was wrong. I concluded that my best chance to intervene was probably about 3 months prior when she commented that she wanted to go dancing.
(Score: 4, Informative) by frojack on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:26PM
Yesterday was probably too late to intervene.
Gotta disagree.
I've seen people (personal friends) brought back from the brink, usually requiring monitoring for a short period, and never have a re-occurance.
Just because YOU were perhaps the wrong person to interviene don't assume inevitabilaty, even if it eases your mind.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:29PM
ⓋⒶ☮✝🕊 Secession is the right of all sentient beings
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:37PM
In the case I mentioned, the person was smarter than everyone around her (including me), and it was not her first attempt (I learned this after the fact).
I will stand corrected on the general case though. It is worth it to let people know that you are there for them.
I totally missed the time-line error pointed out by jdavidb.
(Score: 2) by tathra on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:10PM
and that's likely the reason she offed herself. inability to connect with others, always feeling like an outcast, having nobody to relate to. being a pariah because you're so different from everyone around you is debilitating and easily drives one into despair.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:19AM
If they can be held back from offing themselves by words, they weren't on the brink. People get desperate to die, and after a point there is nothing anyone can do to stop them. Yeah, you are frojack, the know-it-all that somehow gets modded up on nearly every post no matter how off the wall, but take it from someone who has two decades of experience with mental health patients. If they are "on the brink", they will find a way and no one will be able to stop them.
I have seen some very grizzly things. There are many frightening, barbaric ways people try to end their suffering when people like you try to stop them forcibly. People will say and do whatever they think will get them another chance to die.
(Score: 2) by jdavidb on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:34PM
Yesterday was probably too late to intervene. He had already made up his mind, and had contingency plans in place.
What contingency plans?
He was already dead yesterday. The reports are that he passed away Monday night.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:39PM
I was referring to the tweet where he specifically asked people to not intervene.
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:45PM
I agree. He was already dead accorrding to wikipedia [wikipedia.org].
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(Score: 2) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:50PM
Leave it to us technical people to miss obvious flirtation. Maybe she was into you. Maybe she was lonely. But I'm sure HR would frown upon any of it.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:14PM
And leave it to you technical people to be incapable of telling the difference between flirtation and just being friendly.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:20PM
ongoing now in this comment section, or is it just my impression?
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by julian on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:26PM
Mine as well. I'm guessing a lot of people didn't like the man for political reasons and so they desperately need the charges of racism against him to be true so that he can have died in disgrace. That, plus the usual levels of background radiation Internet trolling you see everywhere is probably sufficient explanation.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:31PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-35111707 [bbc.com]
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Hairyfeet on Thursday December 31 2015, @01:33AM
Its the rise of the regressive left, they are in love with "ist" and will label anybody that disagrees with them an "ist" be it racist, sexist, misogynist, etc. Its quite ironic for us old greybeards because its almost an exact mirror of what happened on the left with the moral majority and the tea party, you have a fringe element that is trying to shut down debate and use labels to demonize while they try to force their beliefs on a larger whole.
As for TFA? I'm quite sorry to hear this, but as I said in the other article five will get you ten he ran into the skinhead/roid rager faction of his local police. Yet again its a fringe element that is taking over a larger whole by running out those that disagree, its like society as a whole is being driven towards extremist factional splits, the whole "you are with me or against me" is replacing " I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." which for those of us that fought in the 70s and 80s for freedom of speech is quite disturbing.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @09:53AM
ran into the skinhead/roid rager faction of his local police.
Protip: In San Fran it's the Radical Left Wing Communists, not skinheads, that you have to watch out for.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:30PM
Its the rise of the regressive left, they are in love with "ist" and will label anybody that disagrees with them an "ist" be it racist, sexist, misogynist, etc.
Sure, you can crowbar that into any discussion but disregard your sig for a moment and try reading the actual posts.
This does not sound like it comes from "the left." "Strange how the narrative suddenly changes to him actually fighting for social justice instead."
Furthermore, an AC up-thread found a nearly word-for-word copy of the post elsewhere [slashdot.org] (with an amusingly familiar sounding username). If you check this guy's posting history you find a few gems like "Fags love butts and dicks."
My conclusion: race baiting troll and not a global leftist conspiracy.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday January 01 2016, @12:21AM
Then perhaps you would like to play a game if you do not believe in regressive left? The rules are VERY simple, you simply try to guess if a racist hate filled post is done by an SJW or a member of Stormfront [reddit.com] which for those that do not know Stormfront is a neo-nazi site....what is that? You are having a hard time telling the racist anti-Semitic bile being spewed apart? BINGO, we have a winnar! Because THIS is the regressive left, the lefts very own answer to the tea party. Its racist, hate filled, loves labeling anybody an "ist" and yes Virginia its damned hard to tell them apart from the most fringe of the right because both sides are VERY vile.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:18PM
Or, rather than there being some giant, leftist conspiracy, bigots like you are being called out for being the bigots they are and hate that other people are finding out how bigoted they are.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:36PM
Since I didn't have time to post this rant on the last story about this, I'll put it here.
In the comments on the last story, there were a number of replies along the line of "get help, der der der".
Commonly, when people say "get help", they say it to relinquish themselves of any responsibility in the matter. "Yea, I told him/her to get help, now it is not my problem any more". People parroting "get help" does NOT HELP, and those people are too often PART OF THE PROBLEM.
If you want to help someone, then help. Don't just blabber about what you think they need. Otherwise just keep quiet.
Some people have serious, deep, issues, and no amount of "help" will ever magically completely fix the problem.
(Score: 2) by Sir Finkus on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:57PM
I wouldn't go that far. In many cases people simply don't know how to help. I've been in similar situations with a friend or two, and it can be really hard to figure out the correct course of action. When I've suggested that people "get help" (I'm never that crass) it's because I honestly think they'd be better off in the hands of a professional.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by GungnirSniper on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:59PM
I can only speak for my own depression, but having someone play the 'enthusiasm' part or be the excuse to go out of the house and do something, anything would have helped. I sat inside for months moping around because depression takes away that "I can go and do stuff" feeling. It leaves its victim powerless and hopeless, devoid of anything but the most basic of pleasures. So the GP is right, having folks tell me to 'suck it up and move forward' was anything but productive. In fact it may have been counterproductive because having friends be so unwilling to understand depression makes the feeling of hopelessness worse.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by mendax on Wednesday December 30 2015, @10:39PM
I agree 100% with this sentiment. I've lived with depression my entire life. It's tough. What's important for people with depression to understand is that all the feelings it generates are LIES. That's why suicide happens. It's the craziest thing that a person can do. His mind says that life is worthless.
It's really quite a simple choice: Life, Death, or Los Angeles.
(Score: 2) by black6host on Thursday December 31 2015, @01:18AM
Well, I can certainly empathize with you and the parent poster. I think the biggest problem is that many of my friends either don't understand depression or they don't believe in it. I can't count the times I've been told that depression is all in the mind. Duh. Doesn't mean you can just wish it away... Doesn't mean they understand it, and I'm talking Drs as well.
Throw a dart, pick a med, try. Fail. Rinse and repeat. I've lived it my whole life as well. It's not fun and it doesn't succumb to logic. If it's not logical it's even harder for me to figure out...
(Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 31 2015, @07:35AM
Next time I'm being told something (anything, this doesn't just apply to depressions but to loads of stuff including mundane diseases/illnesses) is "psychological" I'm going to follow my own advice below. I'm annoyed I didn't think of this way to react before now (and if they still don't want to get it they can get lost).
Tell them that brain chemistry is physics thus it's as physical as anything else (like their opinions on the matter ...which were "all in their mind"). Small for sure, incredibly tiny, but still physical (now I'm wondering how many if any LEDs a brain would power if it did that instead of thinking hard (which burns a lot of calories/energy). Good thing I'm not an Igor ;)
Maybe that will make them get it, maybe not. Since it's coming from me it might even be a long shot (because I'm weird/see most things in a way that's weird to a lot of people) but maybe that's the ticket/what's required.
I don't mean to sound like it's all determinism (because the sum is greater than the parts & at fidelities and complexities beyond our reach) but the depression itself (no matter if due to/triggered by a specific situation like horrendous chronic pain/disease or a specific so-called "mental"/"psychological" situation like alienation, grief etc. or trauma of any kind) is one way or the other in the end a result from physical constituent parts (as already mentioned thoughts are physical too; electro-chemical).
I guess it wouldn't work most of the time but I'll try it.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @07:51PM
I wish you well with that approach. My experience is that psychiatrists don't understand what is going on at that level. They can't explain why a drug works for one, and not another. They are just guessing...
Still, an interesting concept.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:26AM
Sometimes, those emotions aren't lies. Sometimes life really isn't worth living. Being depressed while having severe, chronic pain that limits life to pain pills that no longer work and restless sleep is a rational response.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by zugedneb on Thursday December 31 2015, @12:04AM
Some people have serious, deep, issues, and no amount of "help" will ever magically completely fix the problem.
Several things come to mind here:
1: The life of a human is heavy. You can carry your children because society is kind of made for it, but a grown man weights more...
2: A person who considers the self + life worthless might not see extraordinary value in others. "Help" tends to include doing things and saying things, but there might not be any value to those things at some point.
Honestly, I have only seen one suicide and it was an adult suffering from long medical conditions. And also, honestly, although the dude was intelligent above average, close to the end, he was not sane anymore.
If someone would have said: do something, I would have said: such as what?
And, it seems, "such as what" is many times the only correct conclusion, because in the head of the suicidal a program has halted, and does not take input any more.
Many times, the difference between a medical professional and an average person is the authority to prescribe medication.
old saying: "a troll is a window into the soul of humanity" + also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax
(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:35PM
I have some strong feelings on that topic as well, partially due to personal experience. I know people who threatened suicide, and I have a very clear policy by now how I react. If people ask my help, they usually get the help, up to the point they threaten suicide. The only advice I give a suicidal person is to write a diary for a couple of weeks, and delay the decision until that time, reviewing the diary to come to a conclusion. Also, I advice to imagine the situation of being fatally sick, with one week left to live. Do whatever you want to do, with no regrets. For me this worked, and I very quickly noticed that I did feel anxious for long-term consequences, realising there were things that mattered, getting me off this destructive path.
This advice I might give once or twice, but not more often, and I will not spend more effort to talk persons out of it. I did in the past. It got me to the point where I lost my own courage to go on living, I lost the joy in my live, and for the person in question it didn't show much improvement either. So, instead of one person putting itself out of its misery and another person being a productive member of society, there were two persons slowly losing it and fading away. On top of all that, after redrawing my support, the other person apparently started to stand on his feet and to recover. So not only did I feel taken hostage by his suicide threads, I felt the effort was wasted. No person is strong enough to have happiness to sustain two people, and besides maybe parents for their adolescent kids (where suicidal tendencies can be a temporary phase) no-one is responsible for another persons death-wish.
Practical problems are a different topic, and if a person in acute distress needs someone to talk, I'm usually available. This is a positive experience for the person in question as well as a feeling of achievement for the helper. But threatening suicide would be a good way for anyone to drive me away.
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(Score: 2) by tathra on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:24PM
this, a million times this. when i get stupid and talk to other people about the reasons i'm depressed, i always get the same, cliched bullshit that has absolutely nothing to do with anything related to whats troubling me. i've learned that there is absolutely no point in saying anything to anybody because nobody ever fucking listens anyway, and everyone always spews the same bullshit no matter who it is, and its never relevant to my situation in any way, shape, or form. the help i need is so retardedly simple and easy to do that a fucking baby could do it, but nobody has ever been willing to put forth even the tiny sliver of effort thats needed to help me.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by isostatic on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:44PM
isostatic@laptop:~$ apt-cache search ian murdock
isostatic@laptop:~$
:(
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:58PM
apt comment is not apt (sry couldn't resist and it's still better than the sigkill by systemd joke i had in mind)
Account abandoned.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @08:59PM
Aw shucks... that's just great... :( They already purged his package from the repositories
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:30PM
RIP
deb+ian
Account abandoned.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:43AM
Ofcourse, no racists or sexist maaaaaallleesss allowed in SJW distro.
Only SJW friendly shit like lennit's systemD.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:05PM
~$ docker stop ian
(Score: 2) by Marand on Wednesday December 30 2015, @11:47PM
~$ docker stop ian
Close.
ian@debian ~$ kill -9 /proc/self
:(
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:09PM
update-rc.d -f ian remove
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NightHawk on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:25PM
It's really sad to see so many people in this and other comment sections focusing so heavily on his out of character behavior before the end. Mental anguish, whatever the cause can come out in some strange ways and shouldn't taint everything that he left behind.
My condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Yog-Yogguth on Thursday December 31 2015, @07:57AM
It doesn't taint anything and I don't think most people think it does. For my own part even if (and I say if) he actually was some sort of racist (which I doubt) I still don't care and I still don't think it taints anything; it is at most a minor separate issue if any issue at all.
I think what most people are focusing on is the WTF of it all, at least that's it for me. I'm not going to blindly accept a possibly easily faked "hushed-up partially denied suicide from rape trauma" story (nor its later denial or a "mental anguish" story/angle) about anyone from anyone and certainly not for anyone influential (past, present, and/or both) in technology.
Is it beyond belief that his death could have come with a National Security Letter to his family? Not to me, I could see them pulling that and worse, much worse. With a "black" prison in Chicago and prisons within prisons elsewhere, mass surveillance, rampant police crime, a US government not protecting or following the US constitution, and plenty of other suspicious deaths within and outside the tech community? Trust is dead. Trust no one.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @10:05AM
I've detected some SJW shills, literally replying to themselves on a forum I run, trying to call Ian all sorts of names.
The tweet where he writes nigger he's actually defending the SJW stance that the cops / Patriarchy doesn't care unless it's a rich white person dead.
Since it's trivial to buy shills for anything I'm questioning whether this was actually a suicide. He said he was going to make it the rest of his life's work to document his story on his blog so it didn't happen to anyone else before he offed himself... Then just didn't mange to get the word out.
Big mistake. Never say you'll kill yourself, because then it's really easy to kill you and call it a suicide before you've had the chance to do whatever it is that pisses off the powers that be.
Not 100% sure either way, but the circumstances are fishy to say the least. Promise to make cops lives hell... well, that's not smart.
On the other hand, we have no real proof it was him who tweeted those things. Kill a dude, pick up his phone, tweet away: I'll kill myself. Then find him dead.
Would be interesting to find out who the last people who saw him alive said. Even more interesting so few of the sites commemorating his death say anything about the police brutality he vowed to speak out against (but never published the article he was writing).
(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:27PM
http://blog.docker.com/2015/12/ian-murdock/ [docker.com]
link posted on TFS is dead too. Google has the cache FWIW
Account abandoned.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:31PM
cache link added
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:30PM
>" Ian Murdock @imurdock · 14h14 hours ago
>This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I guess that's not considered rape if you're not a
>woman being raped."
>"Ian Murdock @imurdock · 15h15 hours ago
>The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise."
That was clear since the late 1800s:
>In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.
>Maybe my suicide at this, you now, a successful business man, not a NIGGER, will finally bring some attention to this very serious issue.
Sadly he didn't do what Hans Reiser did: kill his enemies, not himself.
What is there to live for in America?
No marrying female children (that would have raised his spirits).
Cunts ruling over men.
Etc.
If you're going to die, die with your boots on.
Kill them, not yourself.
Debra divorced him and fucked some other guy.
(She has no right to under Deuteronomy)
He should have killed her, and killed his other enemies.
(Score: 2) by kurenai.tsubasa on Thursday December 31 2015, @05:03PM
Fuck you, mikeeusa.
Wait, why are you back? And why now?
I'd better put an extra layer on my tinfoil hat. There is something very strange to all of this.
Weren't you responsible for part of the start of the drama surrounding systemd and Debian Women with some dumb casino game?
I've been thinking for a while now that you're actually a radical feminist. It would explain much.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2016, @04:00AM
>Wait, why are you back? And why now?
Always here. Now is a subset of always.
>Weren't you responsible for part of the start of the drama surrounding systemd
I pray Devuan succeeds.
> and Debian Women with some dumb casino game?
Opensource Text console casino game as well as 3d FPS videogame maps which offended the geekfeminists.
esr.ibiblio.org/?p=1310
They, ofcourse, had my projects censored, as is the tradition of cunts going back through the ages.
>I've been thinking for a while now that you're actually a radical feminist. It would explain much.
Nope. I hate women's rights and wish for men to beable to marry female children as they were able to do in the past.
>In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.
Also see: Deuteronomy chapter 22 verses 28-29, hebrew allows men to rape girl children and keep them: thus man + girl is obviously fine. Feminists are commanded to be killed as anyone enticing others to follow another ruler/judge/god is to be killed as-per Deuteronomy. It is wonderful when this happens from time to time: celebrate)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2016, @04:06AM
"Weren't you responsible for part of the start of the drama surrounding systemd and Debian Women with some dumb casino game?"
SystemD being garbage (a 5th column) created to supplant GNU/Linux from the marketplace couldn't have anything to do with the opposition to SystemD.
SystemD is the technical equivalent of the chaos BSD was in in the early 90s. Same effect (as intended).
Turmoil in once placid, stable, waters.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:39PM
Remeber: Hans Reiser is still alive and not done removing bad influences.
Hans Reiser did the correct thing.
Ian Murdock did the incorrect thing.
The God written of in Deuteronomy does not say kill thyself.
He says to kill others.
And he says who needs to be killed, describes them rather than naming
for the most part, this way you can recognize them throughout the ages.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:50PM
What The Fuck?!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:43PM
The distro he co-founded is remarkably successful considering it was entirely a volunteer/enthusiast project and when it started, there was no precedent. His vision was huge.
I remember being impressed many years ago (c. 2001), seeing debian being installed over the internet, interactively on a non-x86 machine. That it could be done, and done by enthusiasts and volunteers, done well and that it worked was astounding.
That was the point at which it was obvious beyond a doubt that FOSS was going to take over. Volunteers on the Internet were way more powerful than any corporation. The debian distribution is one of the great pillars of FOSS. We have Murdock to thank for that,.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Gravis on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:44PM
first he deletes his twitter account and the next day he's found dead. wow... the internet really is srs bsns.
(Score: 2) by tynin on Wednesday December 30 2015, @09:48PM
He went out on an after the fact police brutality rage. Anyone find anything shedding any light on that?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by joekiser on Wednesday December 30 2015, @11:37PM
There was nothing coherent at all in his final tweets. The tweet about going to kill himself happened before any tweets about him getting arrested.
At the time, I was optimistic that maybe the anti-police crusade would give him reason to live. Instead, it looks like it was a ruse to get people to not call the cops and intervene on his behalf. I would take the police brutality thing with a grain of salt.
Debt is the currency of slaves.
(Score: 2) by joekiser on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:04AM
"Instead, it looks like it was a ruse to get people to not call the cops and intervene on his behalf."
In hindsight, I should have been more careful with my words. I no longer agree with that sentence. It was careless to make; at the time I was still processing the death of Mr. Murdock, which I learned of through SoylentNews. He deserves better.
I know the parent got modded Interesting, but it does not deserve that rating.
Thank you for your contribution to free software, Mr. Murdock. I did not use your distribution, but I was no doubt the beneficiary of your work. Fare well and following seas.
Debt is the currency of slaves.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:12AM
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/12/30/ian_murdock_debian_founder/ [theregister.co.uk]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @05:22AM
So he was drunk, high, or both. Sounds like he hit the SF party scene a bit too hard.
(Score: 2) by Nollij on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:33AM
Also, if there is anything to that, anyone involved is going to remain silent. Speaking almost invariably doesn't help one's case, regardless of the situation.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by requerdanos on Wednesday December 30 2015, @11:51PM
Ian Murdock was a positive force for change, and has touched millions of lives for the better. I didn't know him, but I am glad I knew of him and of the work that he began. I was surprised and saddened to hear of his passing, and want his family to know that he was important to a lot of people who will miss him. And that his influence and good works live on and will continue to do so. Thank you, Ian.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by q.kontinuum on Thursday December 31 2015, @12:40AM
As a compassionate person, Mr. Murdock, rest in peace. You did lots of good to the world, and although I do not agree with all decisions Debian took, or even how these decisions were made, debian and docker are important pillars for my daily professional work and personally for the education of my son as well. Thank you very much, you had a huge, positive impact on my and many, many other lives. I do not care much if you were a closet-racist as some claim or if you tried to make a statement on the contrary. For me, a person is defined by its actions and intentions, not by his feeling.
As a personal example, I support gay rights, including gay marriage, and I have some good gay friends as well. Yet I might be a closet homophobe myself, since the imagination of kissing a man is disgusting for me, and seeing gay couples kissing invokes a vivid and unpleasant visual imagination in myself. Therefore I see a huge difference between people feeling in a politically incorrect way and people actually discriminating others, and I have no knowledge of him discriminating anyone in any way except potentially verbally by the tweets.
As an engineer, I wonder what might be the background of his death. According to The Register [theregister.co.uk] it can be assumed that his death was not under suspicious circumstances. To me, this sounds like suicide. I'd assume one way or another it might have been about losing credibility and respect, two values he spent a lifetime to earn. In the context of the tweets, I see three different categories which could lead to such a desperate action.
1. The tweets had merit. It was just entirely incomprehensible for him that he could ever be a victim of such abuse, therefore he couldn't deal with it. He thought he could, he planned to fight it, but just couldn't. It does not easily explain why his twitter-account was deleted, though.
2. The tweets had merit. But he did something that was entirely contradicting his self-image, and which he knew he could never keep secret after tweeting the things he did tweet. He deleted his account, but realised it was already all over the media, and he couldn't get out of this any more without disclosing whatever details there were he would rather not disclose.
3. The tweets didn't have any merit. If he did suffer a drug-induced or otherwise (temporary?) paranoid | psychotic disorder leading to the tweets, I could imagine that sobering up could confront him with an unsolvable situation. If such accusations would turn out to be actually from him, but entirely unfounded, he'd lose credibility and respect, two values he spent a lifetime to build up. It would explain the deleted account as well (similar to the 2nd scenario).
As far as I can tell by now, none of the options would destroy my gratitude for him for the positive things he did. I hope his relatives and friends will find their privacy to grieve, but I also hope there will be some further information about the background further down the road. Does anyone have a kind of timeline, what happened in which order? Is it likely he himself disabled his twitter-account? Or did that happen after his death? Who would have done this? If the account was disabled due to police intervention, it might actually point to scenario 1. If the account was deleted while he was still alive, see it as a pointer to scenario 2 or 3...
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @12:45AM
Did he actually have a bad encounter with the police? Or was he delusional about that? Was he drunk or high? Somebody should get a hold of any police documentation.
I understand how he may have felt so much like shit that he killed himself, but an admitted rich whitey like himself could have made more of a point about police brutality were he alive.
RIP Ian Murdock.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @10:09AM
You can arrest records. He was released on bail.
(Score: 4, Informative) by VLM on Thursday December 31 2015, @01:38AM
Just to head it off at the pass (or too late?) There's two Ian's in Debian, Murdock was the recently deceased founder who left years before systemd etc, and the other is Jackson who like all right thinking individuals opposed systemd, so there's going to be some trolling and humor about systemd by people confusing the two Ians.
(Score: 2) by dmc on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:21AM
too late for me, but thanks. I totally saw all the articles about a famous Ian in debian and a big debate over systemd and just presumed it was the ian from the name.
(Score: 2) by dmc on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:27AM
Though to be just, despite thanking you for correcting my misimpression, I unthank you for the 'rightthinking' troll. Just because someone is opposed to using some tool for some purpose over here today, does not mean that someone opposes the tool. In any event, when I think of debian, I think of a huge pile of more tools than I could ever get tired of using in ten lifetimes. I'll presume any well known Ians within the community deserve my gratitude for that.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:27PM
Eh, a little snarky humor in a much larger very grim story, figured it was an ultra concise way to indicate he was a leader of the opposition not a mere footsoldier, etc.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:31AM
The Debian peeps don't give a shit, Ian wasn't a Debain-Woman & SystemD kind of guy. They give lip service
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:33AM
Remeber: Hans Reiser is still alive and not done removing bad influences.
Hans Reiser did the correct thing.
Ian Murdock did the incorrect thing.
The God written of in Deuteronomy does not say kill thyself.
He says to kill others.
And he says who needs to be killed, describes them rather than naming
for the most part, this way you can recognize them throughout the ages.
.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @02:37AM
" Ian Murdock @imurdock · 14h14 hours ago
This was right after the female officer ripped off my underwear.. I guess that's not considered rape if you're not a woman being raped."
"Ian Murdock @imurdock · 15h15 hours ago
The rest of my life is to fight against the police.. they are NOT friends, so don't ever ever believe otherwise."
That was clear since the late 1800s:
>In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age to at least 16, with the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful, with almost all states raising the minimum age to 16-18 years by 1920.
.
If Ian had a cute girl child as a bride he would not have killed himself.
That is a fact.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @04:40AM
> If Ian had a cute girl child as a bride he would not have killed himself.
confirmed: a 50c army of trolls is out in force.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @01:50PM
Yep, it's all a conspiracy: promote men marrying young girls, get .50 yuan from the Chinese govt!!
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @10:13AM
Come back home [8ch.net], you're embarrassing yourself.
(Score: 2) by quixote on Thursday December 31 2015, @03:57AM
Say it ain't so.
But it is.
The world is a sadder place today, indeed.
Long time Debian user here. I and so many others owe him so much.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @04:09AM
>>52148553
>What "family"? Isn't he divorced? The dude probably had nobody, and that's why he killed himself. He wanted to be friends with his neighbor and she called the police because he was harassing her.
Feminism killed Ian. Women have rights to divorce men, reject men, be master of the man.
Men have no rights.
Cant even marry a little girl.
(could pre-feminism)
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Lunix Nutcase on Thursday December 31 2015, @04:36AM
Cant even marry a little girl.
(could pre-feminism)
Poor Mr. Pedophile. Shall we all shed crocodile tears for you?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:33AM
One man, known all over the world, posts for the whole world to read, that he is going to commit suicide.
And there is not a single person who knew where he lived? No one who could call him, chat him up? What is fundamentally wrong with American society?
What he sad country. And I see so many people joking about it, calling him out for his political opinions. What is so wrong here? Do you guys have any friends? ANY support system? Family? Parents at least?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @01:10PM
- Debian Linux founder Ian Murdock dead at 42 [theregister.co.uk]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by fritsd on Thursday December 31 2015, @09:54AM
If you look at the drawing on the website http://futurist.se/gldt/ [futurist.se], you can see that Debian has inspired hundreds of nerds to create their own distro "I want a Linux distro like Debian, but then with X / without Y" over the past decades.
To me, that says that by accident or purpose, Ian Murdock created something that has properties of adaptibility, that can be used as a substrate for other people to build their own dream castles on.
He and the other founders of Debian must have understood a lot about systems, people and creativity, that they refrained from doing things and making rules that hinder this outpouring of creative flow.
It probably sounds a bit vague as I say it, but I can't put it any better.
RIP mr Murdock. And good new year to all of you who are still around. Make something of it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 31 2015, @06:24PM
Who killed George Carlin?
Who killed Bill Hicks?
Who killed JFK?
and on and on and on
many ejaculations were heard from a proprietary software company.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 03 2016, @04:03AM
>many ejaculations were heard from a proprietary software company.
They're already spent for the decade once systemd was forced on the community.