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posted by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @10:02PM   Printer-friendly
from the erdogone dept.

Update: The coup appears to have been unsuccessful, and President Erdogan's plane is reportedly landing in Istanbul.

Update 2: Erdogan appears poised to reassert his power: "After the earlier recorded statement from Erdogan, the president is now addressing the media. He says the uprising was an act of treason and those responsible will pay a heavy price. It was carried out by a minority within the military who can't stomach unity of the country, Erdogan says. He says the uprising will be a reason to clean up the army."

Attempted military coup in Turkey

A faction of the Turkish military is attempting a coup in Turkey (alternative link) claiming that "democratic and secular rule of law has been eroded by the Erdogan government" and control is now in the hands of a "Peace Council". Reports of bridges over the Bosporos blocked to traffic, heavy police and military presence in Istanbul with exchanges of gunfire reported, low flying military aircraft over the city and all airports in the country are now closed. Social media services, Facebook, Twitter, etc., appear to have been blocked. President Erdogan is reportedly "safe" and expected to make a statement soon.

Turkey's military has officially declared a coup and said that it has "taken control of the country" [and] wants "to reinstall the constitutional order, democracy, human rights and freedoms, to ensure that the rule of law once again reigns in the country, for the law and order to be reinstated."

The military statement went on to say that "all international agreements and commitments will remain. We pledge that good relations with all world countries will continue."

[...] Turkish Prime Minister Binali Yildirim said that a number of generals are involved in the takeover of the government. He vowed that the "perpetrators" will be contained, adding that the government "will never give up democracy". [...] Istanbul's Ataturk international airport has been shut down, and all flights have been cancelled.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/07/turkey-military-blocks-bridges-istanbul-160715195444742.html

Turkey Coup

The Turkish military traditionally considered itself the protector of the secular nature of the Turkish State. Since about 21:30h CET it appears they -- or at least a part of the Turkish Army -- has acted on this traditional role.

The bridges over the Bosporus, connecting the European and the Asian parts of Istanbul, have been occupied by the military -- soldiers shouting that a curfew has been imposed. Istanbul airport has been shut down, and the borders sealed off. Shots have been heard in the neigborhood of both Army Headquarters, and the headquarter of the ruling AKP party. Rumor has it that the Chief Staff of the Army -- an Erdogan sympathizer -- has been taken hostage in the Army Headquarters. Rumors are that military and police are standing opposed to each other in Istanbul, while Police and/or Army helicopters slowly circle over the city, and tanks have appeared in the streets.

The action isn't limited to Istanbul -- reports of unrest are also coming in from Izmir and Ankara.

Reports coming in from anonymous sources within the EU diplomatic services claim that a significant part of the Army is behind the coup, which appears to be well planned. President Erdogan, apparently currently in Mongolia, has called upon the Turkish people to go on the streets, negating the evening clock reported to be installed by the military.

The last military coup in Turkey dates from 1980.


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The BBC reports that thousands of government employees are losing their jobs, in what it calls a "purge" after Friday's attempted coup in Turkey. The ministry of education suspended "more than 15,000"; "more than 1,500 university deans have also been ordered to resign"; thousands in the military have been arrested; thousands of judges have been suspended and thousands of police officers have been fired.

Executions have been proposed, but the European Union warned that Turkey would not be allowed to join the EU if a death penalty were instituted.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @10:07PM

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 15 2016, @10:07PM (#375138) Journal

    https://twitter.com/errolbarnett/status/754070259036987392/photo/1 [twitter.com]

    Erdogan addressed the nation through a video stream sent to private broadcaster NTV. Ironic because he has cracked down on the free media in recent months/years.

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/breaking-gunfire-reported-ankara-military-8431619 [mirror.co.uk]

    Gunfire and explosions heard in Ankara, Erdogan reportedly fled country in jet (haven't found corroboration yet).

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    • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Friday July 15 2016, @10:38PM

      by JNCF (4317) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:38PM (#375155) Journal

      Erdogan reportedly fled country in jet

      I thought he was waiting for... oh no, that was Esteban. Never mind.

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by zocalo on Friday July 15 2016, @10:38PM

      by zocalo (302) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:38PM (#375157)

      President Erdogan, apparently currently in Mongolia (from the story)

      Gunfire and explosions heard in Ankara, Erdogan reportedly fled country in jet (haven't found corroboration yet).

      According to Reuters he was on holiday in the Mediterranean resort town of Marmaris in S.W. Turkey and has been pictured addressing reporters there at some point, although it's doubtful his holiday hotel/villa would be considered a safe location so it seems quite likely he's either still in Turkey or has been evacuated to a neighbouring country - a Turkish-held part of Cyprus, mainland Greece or Crete perhaps?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:40PM (#375159)

        According to Reuters he was on holiday in the Mediterranean resort town of Marmaris

        Turkish Express. Don't leave home without it ...

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:10PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:10PM (#375140)

    Turkey is arguably as much an advanced Western-style country as Israel is. What's more, they are well positioned to become a major power within the next few decades.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday July 15 2016, @10:16PM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:16PM (#375142) Homepage

      Jeez, and right after Erdogan kissed and made up with Russia.

      I've heard the same thing you said from many people and used to believe that 10 years ago, but not now. What I want to see is proof that the Erdogan allies were aiding ISIS and involved in international crime.

      This was brewing for years but I never expected it to actually happen. Well, here we are. Finally, some good news coming from that shithole that is the Middle East.

      Seems that Erdogan became too much of a loose cannon for his puppet masters to contain, so he had to be taken out. Let's hope that Saudi Arabia is next...

      • (Score: 2) by jelizondo on Friday July 15 2016, @10:25PM

        by jelizondo (653) Subscriber Badge on Friday July 15 2016, @10:25PM (#375147) Journal

        And yes, the burning question now is: who is behind the coup? Russia or the U.S.?

        Russia would love to have Turkey on its camp in response to NATO encroachment on its borders and for the same reason, the U.S. would like to deny Russia any influence over Turkey.

        And with the news from France, I fear were approaching a new cold war, perhaps even a hot war over the Middle East, with the U.S. and NATO on one side and Russia and China on the other.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by VLM on Friday July 15 2016, @10:29PM

          by VLM (445) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:29PM (#375148)

          Best bet is to wait and see what the usual suspect neocon pundits say about the coup leaders... if they hate the coup leaders, the coup leaders are probably the good guys and it was probably orchestrated by Russia.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by r1348 on Friday July 15 2016, @10:55PM

          by r1348 (5988) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:55PM (#375173)

          Turkey just issued a formal apology to Russia for the destruction of the Sukhoi plane in Syria, and Erdogan flew to Moscow to relax the relation between the states.
          And Germany just denied political asylum to Erdogan.
          So yes, your usual NATO stay-behind coup, my blind guess is Ergenekon [wikipedia.org].

        • (Score: 2) by TheB on Friday July 15 2016, @10:55PM

          by TheB (1538) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:55PM (#375174)

          The Guardian claimed the Gulen movement is responsible for the coop attempt.

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/09/turkish-police-fethullah-gulen-network [theguardian.com]It's HQ is located in Pennsylvania.

        • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday July 15 2016, @11:01PM

          by Bot (3902) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:01PM (#375176) Journal

          Maybe it is the military itself, I do not follow closely but did not Erdogan use newspeak to say he would meddle with the ground in Syria just a couple days ago? Which means he would probably piss off the Russians which already have Erdy in their little black book for one downed plane.

          So the military, having to choose between igniting WWIII and deposing Erdy, chose the safest thing.

          Or, it is the Russians who had enough.

          Or, it is the continuation of the very suspect Arab spring where the west, pardon the USA first helps destabilizing, and then lets the ISIS fill the void.

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday July 15 2016, @11:13PM

            by Bot (3902) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:13PM (#375182) Journal

            NEWSFLASH
            The substitution of the existing government with a totalitarian antidemocratic military junta seems to have been a requirement to facilitate the entrance in the European Union, which recently has been losing a piece and needs suitably domesticated replacement.

            *smacks forehead* of course!

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            • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Friday July 15 2016, @11:45PM

              by butthurt (6141) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:45PM (#375190) Journal

              Erdogan has been called totalitarian. Plus ça change...

              http://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/its-time-to-turn-our-backs-on-erdogans-turkey/article29183779/ [theglobeandmail.com]

            • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday July 15 2016, @11:48PM

              by bob_super (1357) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:48PM (#375193)

              Turkey was mildly unwelcome in the EU before 2001.
              Turkey rejection was one of the excuses to vote down the EU constitution in 2005.
              Considering the recent involvement of Turkey in Syria, and the London/Madrid/Brussels/Paris attacks (and maybe Nice if it wasn't just a crazy loner), the odds of Turkey getting in the EU in the next 20 years are essentially nil.

              • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:55AM

                by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:55AM (#375209) Homepage

                ...not if they remove the theocratic elements and embrace secularism once again.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:13AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:13AM (#375213)

                  The only way their countries have a secular government for more than 5 minutes is with a dictator, which would prevent them from entering the EU.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:16AM

                  by bob_super (1357) on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:16AM (#375214)

                  "My neighbor stopped attracting both a nasty crowd and the cops, and he bought a clean car and mowed the lawn...
                  It will still be quite a little while before the wife lets him house-sit".

                  The Christian club isn't looking forward to admitting the non-Christian neighbor who would be the biggest country in the union, and add unpleasant neighbors. Geographically, it would cause more trouble too, as others non-Europeans could point to Turkey to try to join next.
                  During the Clinton years, this could have reluctantly happened, but since W launched his fear crusade, trying to expand the EU Eastward would blow up the whole thing and put the extreme-right in power in half the countries (not sure in which order).

                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Ethanol-fueled on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:30AM

                    by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Saturday July 16 2016, @01:30AM (#375216) Homepage

                    What is this "Christian club" of which you speak? The leadership of European countries have outwardly embraced Islamic refugeeism even in the face of Islam-inspired murders. The point of that is to defeat the wills of their populace, rendering that populace politically useless, rather than do anything meaningful. Christian churches are the useful idiots bringing those Islamic savages into your country. The goal is to break your will, and until you have the balls to stand up and fight, then you will lose and be subject to horrors beyond your imagination.

                    Yes, Turqui is sitting on a prime-piece of real-estate, from the perspective of those stuck in the cold-war mentality. If your comment had any merit, then you'd address the unvetted self-destructive "refugee" policies civilized European nations embrace.

                    Remember, a lot of modern security policy with respect to clearance addresses minimizing embarassment rather than protecting the super-secret intergalactic hyperdrive technology.

                • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:25AM

                  by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:25AM (#375283) Journal

                  Won't happen. [cnn.com]

                  Now how could the lizard people advance the coming shitstorm if Turkey became a secularist 21st century state?

                  Sad it was over so quickly. What's it called? The Yinon plan or something…?

                  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:06PM

                    by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:06PM (#375344) Journal

                    Turkey has been a secular state since Attaturk. It's Erdogan who's been unwinding that. So a military coup to restore secularism would be a return to status quo ante.

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          • (Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Friday July 15 2016, @11:42PM

            by q.kontinuum (532) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:42PM (#375189) Journal

            Russia and Turkey were getting friendlier the past days, Erdogan officially apologized for the plane. I don't think this was ignited by Russia. I don't think it makes sense for the West, either, to ignite a revolution there. Erdogan could have been removed more subtle, and destabilizing Turkey doesn't help at least Europe. Maybe it could help US to weaken Europe, but I don't think it outweighs the risks this adds to the war on Isis.

            Maybe it was a reaction actually a Turkish internal affair? Erdogan did work on weakening the military, and the military in Turkey traditionally has the role of preserving secularization.

            I think it would be good for Turkey if this revolution succeeds. Erdogan is a dangerous guy, [hurriyetdailynews.com], and might not have the academic title [bbc.co.uk] officially required according Turkish constitution to hold his office.

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        • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:05PM

          by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:05PM (#375343) Journal

          No, no outside involvement is required. The Turkish military has done this several times in the past in similar circumstances. It's quite unique that the military has been the one absolute safeguard of secular Turkish democracy. The reason is it was Kemal Attaturk, the general behind the Ottoman victory at Gallipoli, that ended the sultanate and implemented secular democracy. He mandated equality for women, outlawed the fez for men and headcoverings for women, and basically fully expunged Sharia-type law from the society. He set up the military to make sure there was no backsliding.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Friday July 15 2016, @10:31PM

        by zocalo (302) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:31PM (#375149)
        I wouldn't call this good news, regardless of what you think of the Erdogan government and its policies. The last thing the world needs right now is instability in Turkey, because that has worked out *so* well in all the other countries in the Middle East and North Africa where that's happened, and especially so since a good chunk of whatever remains of Daesh is just over the border in Syria and no doubt just waiting for the Turkish military and their Syrian Kurd allies to take their eyes of the ball to deal with some internal matters. If Daesh gets a foothold in Turkey, then it wouldn't be too much of a step for them to start making alliances with other Islamic militant groups in the Caucasus. On top of all that, there are also a whole bunch of Turkish Kurds just waiting for an opportunity to try and get a country of their own as well...
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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Friday July 15 2016, @10:39PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:39PM (#375158)

          Actually, I can't think of any Turk group who'd like Daesh inside Turkey. Erdogan &co had provided important material support for ISIS (mostly with intentionally porous borders) to prevent the kurds from feeling too comfy in their de-facvto independent corners of Syria and Iraq.
          And ISIS has been thoroughly incompetent at making gains anywhere the Sunni are not a majority.

          I can't expect the Turk Generals will want to lose Kurdistan, but on the other hand they are not likely to support that ISIS chess game...

          • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Friday July 15 2016, @11:13PM

            by zocalo (302) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:13PM (#375183)
            I was thinking more that Daesh might be looking for an opportunity to seize on any potential chaos to try and get a foothold in Turkey - that would put them one step closer to potentially linking up with other Islamic militants in the Caucasus and further into western Europe, so geographically it's a good move for them. Clearly the Turkish government (or what's left of it), Turkish military, or the various Kurdish and other non-Islamic groups in Turkey would want Daesh on their doorsteps, and I doubt that NATO would take too long to respond in force either, so maybe not so much tactically.
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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @11:01PM

          by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 15 2016, @11:01PM (#375177) Journal

          Depending on how quickly the situation gets under control and how policy towards the Kurds and Syria change, it could make things more stable after a short period of instability.

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          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by zocalo on Friday July 15 2016, @11:55PM

            by zocalo (302) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:55PM (#375197)
            Hopefully so. The military is charged with protecting secularism in Turkey, and it's been painfully clear for some time that Erdogan has been eroding that, and on previous instances of coups in Turkey a democratic government has generally been restablished fairly quickly. Not sure if the latest reports back that up though; it's starting to look like only a small faction of the army is involved; the commander of naval forces is backing Erdogan and at least some military units are apparently firing on those involved in the coup, and those involved have apparently opened fire on civilians. If that is the case, then the most likely outcome will be Erdogan reestablishing control which could well be a worse outcome than a (mostly) peaceful coup since it's likely to result in another round of purges of secular military leaders and politicians, as well as even more constraints on media and free speech in Turkey.
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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:37AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:37AM (#375206) Homepage Journal

        I'm with you on that, EF. Erdogan has been far to cozy with DAESH. I just got out of bed, I'm still trying to assimilate some of the facts here - but I can say that Ataturk intended for the army to intervene if/when the government got overly theistic. Erdogan has crossed that line by supporting DAESH.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by deadstick on Friday July 15 2016, @10:20PM

      by deadstick (5110) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:20PM (#375144)

      Turkey is arguably as much an advanced Western-style country as Israel is

      And Erdogan wants to damn well put a stop to that.

    • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Friday July 15 2016, @10:45PM

      by jmorris (4844) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:45PM (#375169)

      Turkey is arguably as much an advanced Western-style country as Israel is.

      That was the pitch they put out for International consumption, it is the sales pitch that got them into NATO and almost into the EU. But it wasn't quite true ten years ago, it was more an aspirational goal; and has bore no resemblance with the facts on the ground since Erdogan was elected. Now? Anybody who says they know has only told you they know nothing and should not be listened to. And that is scary.

      We can hope it ends as well as the recent coup in Egypt, that they model this one on that successful takeover. Hope isn't a strategy though and we are effectively leaderless. Obama will prefer to side with Erdogan and the Islamists but will find enough resistance in the system to turn that impulse into meaningless words and inaction. Doing minimal harm isn't going to help. France is otherwise occupied, Mad Merkel in Germany isn't likely to be any help, and the British are also rather distracted. Bad. Bad. Bad. Of course the Turkish military probably decided to act now precisely because they figured this was their best opportunity.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:12PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:12PM (#375346) Journal

        In this case, the military deposing Erdogan is a good thing as far as the West is concerned, because he is the one who has been taking Turkey in a direction more sympathetic to Islamic radicals. I know that's a hard thing for people to wrap their heads around, because we've all been told all our lives that military juntas = BAD. But in Turkey the military is the reset button set up by Attaturk to keep the country from backsliding into sectarian backwardness. As far as I know, it's unique in the world.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:00AM (#375199)

      What's more, they are well positioned to become a major power within the next few decades.

      Not if they keep behaving like a banana republic. Just sayin'.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:25AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:25AM (#375323)

      Turkey is arguably as much an advanced Western-style country as Israel is

      You just had to bring in Israel as "an advanced western-style country", didn't you? In fact, that was the reason for your post: to say something allegedly positive about Israel. This is typical of government propagandists. Never let a good crisis go to waste.

      Remember everyone, Israel practices apartheid, murders civilians, shoots at people on the streets, occupies land belonging to others, violates basic human rights, sends an entire military on stone-throwing protesters, runs over peaceful protesters with bulldozers, racially purifies its own country through genetic testing and so on.

      The crimes committed by Israel and Jews is endless. They are the ones that gave us ISIS. They are the ones that gave us WW I, WW II, and now looks like WW III.

      Western-style country my ass.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:28AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @11:28AM (#375324)

        And also, Turkey is in a way similar to Israel in that both have no respect for human rights. Both bomb the hell out of civilians, destroy their homes and murder them. Both support ISIS.

  • (Score: 5, Funny) by JNCF on Friday July 15 2016, @10:16PM

    by JNCF (4317) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:16PM (#375143) Journal

    UPDATE: Readers should be advised that this story is about a coup in Turkey, not a turkey coop as originally reported. [backyardchickens.com]

    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @10:21PM

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 15 2016, @10:21PM (#375145) Journal

      Erdogone is a big chicken.

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      • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Friday July 15 2016, @10:34PM

        by DECbot (832) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:34PM (#375151) Journal

        So, the gist I'm reading from the comments, Erdogone is nothing more than a large chicken sock puppet wearing Turkey's feathers?

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    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday July 15 2016, @10:32PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:32PM (#375150)

      Thanks! Just as I learnt about its existence, I was instantly getting worried about the safety of turkey underwear....

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:36PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:36PM (#375154)

      Fuck, I had my carving knife and fork out. Fuck Soylent News.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:40PM (#375160)

        Should have guessed since we only have bacon here.

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:32AM

      by Bot (3902) on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:32AM (#375285) Journal

      Erdogan's mandate was being ended cold turkey, though.

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      • (Score: 2) by JNCF on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:49AM

        by JNCF (4317) on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:49AM (#375287) Journal

        Turkeys coming home to roost never did make me sad.

  • (Score: 2) by MichaelDavidCrawford on Friday July 15 2016, @10:38PM

    The NATO treaty holds that an attack on any one member is regarded as an attack on all.

    This would suggest that the US is obligated to assist Erdogan. Is that really the case?

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @10:41PM

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 15 2016, @10:41PM (#375161) Journal

      This is internal, so nope.

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    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:42PM (#375163)

      They had been a NATO member for quite some time, and there had been buncha military coup in that time. We assists Turkey, we don't assist Erdogan.

    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM

      by bob_super (1357) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM (#375165)

      Probably not. It's an "internal" affair where the assailants are the local military, and the victim was not our best friend.

      More like a summer-time reorg, really ... don't bug our good customers, would you?

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM (#375166)

      The US has "strategic" nuclear weapons in Turkey. Not sure what they are supposed to do, what they should do or what they will do.

      • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Friday July 15 2016, @11:07PM

        by butthurt (6141) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:07PM (#375178) Journal

        Yes, that was true as of 2010. The same was true of Belgium, Italy, Germany and the Netherlands (p. 20 of source).

        http://belfercenter.ksg.harvard.edu/files/us-tactical-nuclearweapons-in-europe.pdf [harvard.edu]

        In 1962 the Cuban Missile Crisis was resolved when Kennedy secretly agreed to Khruschev's demand that U.S. missiles be removed from Turkey.

        http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/nsa/cuba_mis_cri/moment.htm [gwu.edu]

        In the present day, those air-carried bombs might be worrisome to Russians.

      • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Friday July 15 2016, @11:07PM

        by DECbot (832) on Friday July 15 2016, @11:07PM (#375179) Journal

        The powers that be will determine that Turkey is too unstable to leave the rockets there. Look, these bombs have their own engines attached, so we'll just fire up the rockets and send them back home...
        Just look at SpaceX, they land rockets all the time!

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      • (Score: 2) by Yog-Yogguth on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:31PM

        by Yog-Yogguth (1862) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @08:31PM (#375464) Journal

        I know what they're supposed to do, they're supposed to go "Boom!" :P

        What's next is that the purges continue even stronger than before, not just in the armed forces but in the judiciary (1200+ judges already sacked in a few hours) and in the media and so on.

        It is claimed that Erdogan got 52% of the votes last time, if those are actual votes then this failed coup was the final whimper against islam in that country.

        Even as a desperate last attempt (I'm guessing this is what the coup attempt was) I'm surprised they had that last chance, I thought the old guard had been so severely weakened that the secular parts of the military couldn't even attempt a coup.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Friday July 15 2016, @10:49PM

      by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:49PM (#375171) Journal

      I read "an attack on one is an attack on all" as a reference to international attacks. This affair is entirely internal. I don't know what the NATO policy (if there is one) would be. It might well be that the whole thing has been orchestrated by the US anyway, in which case you can expect lots of deeply apologetic mumbling about unfortunately not having the political capital / respecting sovereign states / all our aircraft carriers are washing their hair tonight, sorry we can't come out.

  • (Score: 2) by Gravis on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM

    by Gravis (4596) on Friday July 15 2016, @10:43PM (#375164)

    A faction of the Turkish military is attempting a coup in Turkey claiming that "democratic and secular rule of law has been eroded by the Erdogan government"

    they aren't wrong.

    • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Saturday July 16 2016, @04:03PM

      by TheRaven (270) on Saturday July 16 2016, @04:03PM (#375373) Journal
      Indeed. Erdogan said 'Democracy is like a train, you ride it until it's taken you where you want to go and then get off.'
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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Friday July 15 2016, @11:53PM

    by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Friday July 15 2016, @11:53PM (#375195) Journal

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/ [telegraph.co.uk]

    Turkey military 'has opened fire on crowds gathered at Istanbul bridge'

    A helicopter has reportedly fired on the Turkish parliament in Ankara, Fox News reports.

    There are separate reports from Turkish news agency Anadolu that the parliament building has been hit by a bomb.

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:02AM

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:02AM (#375200) Journal

      http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-36811357 [bbc.com]

      'Crowds gather at Ankara airport to greet president'

      UK-based barrister Can Yeginsu, vice chairman of the British Turkish Lawyers’ Association, tweets:

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    • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:04AM

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:04AM (#375202) Journal

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/15/turkey-low-flying-jets-and-gunfire-heard-in-ankara1/ [telegraph.co.uk]

      Turkish PM: 'military chief of staff and commanders are in charge of situation'
      Binali Yildirim, the PM, claimed the "situation [is] largely under control". Turkish state broadcaster TRT is apparently back on air.

      However, his claims came at the same time as reports of major violence at government buildings in Ankara.

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      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:31AM

        by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:31AM (#375205) Journal

        A top Turkish official says the coup attempt within the country's military appears to have been unsuccessful.

        The senior official told The Associated Press all government officials are in charge of their offices, but cautioned that the chief of military staff hasn't appeared in public yet.

        Earlier, a spokesman for Turkey's national intelligence agency, MIT, said that the attempt to seize control had been defeated.

        Presidential Spokesman Ibrahim Kalin told NTV television: "The military commanders have made it clear that the coup plotters violated the chain of command... The people have shown that they stand in solidarity with democracy and the elected government."

        1:25am
        Erdogan 'landing in Istanbul'
        A Turkish official says Erdogan's plane is landing in Istanbul, according to Reuters. There are multiple reports tracking the president's plane.

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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by boxfetish on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:00AM

          by boxfetish (4831) on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:00AM (#375224)

          A top Turkish official says the coup attempt within the country's military appears to have been unsuccessful.
          The senior official told The Associated Press all government officials are in charge of their offices, but cautioned that the chief of military staff hasn't appeared in public yet.
          Earlier, a spokesman for Turkey's national intelligence agency, MIT, said that the attempt to seize control had been defeated.
          Presidential Spokesman Ibrahim Kalin told NTV television: "The military commanders have made it clear that the coup plotters violated the chain of command... The people have shown that they stand in solidarity with democracy and the elected government."
          1:25am
          Erdogan 'landing in Istanbul'
          A Turkish official says Erdogan's plane is landing in Istanbul, according to Reuters. There are multiple reports tracking the president's plane.

          A righteous victory for islamofacism.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:18AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:18AM (#375229) Homepage Journal

            Unfortunately, I think that you are right. Erdogan isn't following Ataturk's vision for Turkey.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:51PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 16 2016, @12:51PM (#375332)

              One one hand I would say yes regrettable, on the other hand there is something to be said about not following rules layed down many years ago by someone who is no longer around to adjust to the situation.

              The Turks will get the best country they deserve. It's like Putin and Russia, he may be an asshole dictator, but god damn do people love him. The coup might be over, but the bloodshed is just beginning.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by shortscreen on Saturday July 16 2016, @03:59AM

            by shortscreen (2252) on Saturday July 16 2016, @03:59AM (#375255) Journal

            +1 sad but true

            • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:34AM

              by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Saturday July 16 2016, @06:34AM (#375286) Journal

              I'll second that +1 sad but true. The lizard people/MotU/Illuminati/whatever you want to call them are in full control.

  • (Score: 2) by Dunbal on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:49AM

    by Dunbal (3515) on Saturday July 16 2016, @02:49AM (#375246)

    Turkey, this is not how you play Pokemon GO. You are doing it wrong.