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posted by n1 on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:25AM   Printer-friendly

Armed police respond to serious incidents at London Bridge and Borough Market – with members of the public urged to reach areas of safety.

Since late yesterday evening [Saturday, 3 June], the Metropolitan Police Service has been responding to incidents in the London Bridge and Borough Market areas of south London. We are treating this as a terrorist incident and a full investigation is already underway, led by the Met’s Counter Terrorism Command.

[...] Six people have been killed in terror attacks on London Bridge and at Borough Market.
Three male suspects have been shot dead by police.
Canisters seen around the body of at least one of the suspects have been “established to be hoaxes”, police said.
Police believe all of those directly responsible for the attack have been killed.

[...] Since March there has been the Westminster attack by Khalid Masood, who mowed down pedestrians near parliament and stabbed a policeman, resulting in six deaths, including his own: and the Manchester bombing two weeks ago that killed 22. And now London again.

[...] An editor in the Sun’s London Bridge Street office says police confirmed that a number of blasts heard [...] were controlled explosions.

Source: The Guardian

An investigation into the foreign funding of extremist Islamist groups may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.

The inquiry commissioned by David Cameron, was launched as part of a deal with the Liberal Democrats in December 2015, in exchange for the party supporting the extension of British airstrikes against Isis into Syria.

But although it was due to be published in the spring of 2016, it has not been completed and may never be made public due to its "sensitive" contents.

It is thought to focus on Saudi Arabia, which the UK recently approved £3.5bn worth of arms export licences to.

Source: The Independent

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Snotnose on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:31AM (29 children)

    by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:31AM (#520076)

    Even if they aren't the money men behind this attack, between fracking and renewable energy we don't need this barbaric society for our gas anymore. Time we put them in the same column as Kim Jong Un and treat them like the enemies of civilization that they are.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by julian on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:42AM (17 children)

      by julian (6003) on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:42AM (#520082)

      Remind us again, for those who haven't been watching, which party is receptive of a Manhattan/Apollo scale project to eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels? Which party stokes the fires of coal? Which party wants more leaky oil pipelines?

      The Republican Party is a terrorist organization working on behalf of a few thousand wealthy individuals and they are destroying our future for short-term profits. If you enable them because of orthogonal social issues then you are also to blame.

      The death cult of Islam and its Christian equivalent which is equally misogynistic, must be isolated and defeated. We can start by stopping purchase of the only thing of value they have; oil.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:07AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:07AM (#520090)

        "The Republican Party is a terrorist organization working on behalf of a few thousand wealthy individuals and they are destroying our future for short-term profits. If you enable them because of orthogonal social issues then you are also to blame."

        .

        Obama and the Democrats were every bit as involved in stuff like drone attacks as Republicans. And they all use just as many fossil fuels as Republicans, too.

        .

        Your post is the sort of knee-jerk clueless partisan bullshit that makes me laugh when I hear some idiot spewing similar stuff. It's seriously inaccurate, and because it makes the false and inaccurate claim that only one political party is to blame, this line of "reasoning" acts to perpetuate the mess continuing. Those who know
        better understand that in the US it is the SYSTEM which is broken and that there is no significant difference between Republicans and Democrats.

        .

        Simple-minded people think the world is black and white. It's not. The Republicans are motherfuckers, and the Democrats are motherfuckers too. The system
        is arranged so motherfuckers control the show, and motherfuckers benefit. If you think otherwise, you're a chump and you will be a patsy for those who want to
        manipulate you to suit their agenda.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:08AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:08AM (#520118)

          Democrats or Republican.... the system "owns" both, and trot them out before us each election to give us the illusion we have a choice.

          Another reason is to get us into blaming ourselves for placing the wrong one into power.

          They are very artful in inciting fractures in the populace concerning things like abortion or gay rights, while they deal with much bigger things behind our back. How many of US got to vote on the DMCA, for instance? Nah, we get to bicker over who gets to use which toilet.

          This game is rigged. No matter what we do, its our fault.

          This whole mess is a result of one thing. Organization. Most of us rank-and-file working sheep-to-be-sheared are too busy with the day-to-day matters of life to concern ourselves much with politics. Whereas for the elite, politics *is* their job, and they are highly organized. About the most organization I have seen amongst the common people are churches. Churches are hardly organized for politics... they seem mostly concerned with collecting sheep who will line up for a shearing. While the government reciprocates by allowing them tax-free status to keep the populace praying for God to do it instead of taking matters into their own hands.

          The elite also have the power ( that we let them have by not standing up to them when they started doing it ) to spend money they don't have by allowing the government to borrow money ( aka "extend the debt ceiling ) to pay for armed people to enforce their wishlist. Have this deemed "lawful" if the government does this to the populace, yet deemed "treason" if the populace does it.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @01:49PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @01:49PM (#520210)

          Simple-minded people think the world is black and white. It's not. The Republicans are motherfuckers, and the Democrats are motherfuckers too.

          It takes a truly impressive level of mental compartmentalization to write those two sentences in sequence.

          Yes the world is not black and white. And that's why the two parties are not equally bad. Both parties have their failings. But one party has driven the bus off the end of the pier while the other party is just playing in the surf.

          • (Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:07PM

            by Jeremiah Cornelius (2785) on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:07PM (#520271) Journal

            "British rebels attack Theresa May strongholds in London"

            See:
            http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-20238859 [bbc.com]

            This is the natural and inevitable consequence of US/UK military policy since the 1990's, with direct British precedents in TE Laurence and General Charles George Gordon.

            Ideologies and religious convictions are the ornaments of this conflict, not its causes. To think otherwise is poor analysis - like shooting an arrow where one pleases, then drawing a bullseye around the mark.

            --
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      • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:11AM (#520092)

        >The Republican Party is a terrorist organization working on behalf of a few thousand wealthy individuals

        I accept that the Muslims want to blow us all up, but can rationalize that they're stone age religious idiots that don't know any better.

        You awful scum are so much worse, because theoretically you should have the brain capacity to know better. You fucking know it all dipshits who consume as much or more than anyone else always have a scapegoat to blame and are out for blood while demanding "tolerance". Which of course, in your case "tolerance" is a code word for "Do what we say or else". You're fucking ghouls, but luckily you're all mostly faggots and cowards, as long as you don't amass too much political power, you're harmless little shits.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Snotnose on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:28AM (4 children)

        by Snotnose (1623) on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:28AM (#520096)

        Which party stokes the fires of coal?

        Coal is dying due to economics, not politics. Trump can fellatiate the coal miners all he wants, but that is a dying industry. There is nothing Trump can do to bring back coal mining jobs, unless he decides the feds will buy coal at $x per ton. Which will never fly past congress.

        --
        The journey of a thousand miles may begin with the first step being in a pile of doggie doo.
        • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:55AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:55AM (#520101)

          Trumps gift to the coal industry isn't about the miners' jobs.
          Its about enriching the owners. The republicans are propping up the profitability of coal and thus extending its lifetime.
          The fact that they sell their policies to the poorly educated proles with lies about jobs does not mean they aren't extending our reliance on coal.

          Meanwhile no democrat ever has chanted "drill, baby! drill!" without irony.

          • (Score: 2) by Snotnose on Monday June 05 2017, @12:30AM

            by Snotnose (1623) on Monday June 05 2017, @12:30AM (#520478)

            Trumps gift to the coal industry isn't about the miners' jobs.
            Its about enriching the owners.

            How long will that last without coal making money? 1 year? Maybe 2?

            Coal is dead. It's too expensive, has too many regulations, makes too much pollution,is too dangerous to mine, and is flat out old school.

            It ain't coming back. Trump might give the owners a year or two, but that is one dead industry.

            Good fucking riddance.

            --
            The journey of a thousand miles may begin with the first step being in a pile of doggie doo.
        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:23AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:23AM (#520109)

          The economics change when you restrict mining (can't disturb a stream), restrict coal plants (in trouble for emissions), and demand the purchase of "green" power. That sounds an awful lot like politics to me. Ditch that shit, and suddenly the economics are looking good again.

          No, it won't be miner employment like the 1950s, but many miners are already gone anyway. Those who remain are getting employed again.

          There are also the jobs elsewhere, even programming and IT jobs, enabled by cheaper electricity. The economy generally benefits from cheap energy.

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:49AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:49AM (#520115)

            The economics change when you restrict mining (can't disturb a stream), restrict coal plants (in trouble for emissions)

            Yeah, sure, why not put the health of local people in danger by polluting everything? As long as it makes coal cheaper, it's fine.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bot on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:02AM

        by Bot (3902) on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:02AM (#520136)

        > An investigation into the foreign funding of extremist Islamist groups may never be published, the Home Office has admitted.
        this means somebody is into high treason territory

        > republican party is ok with reliance on oil
        this means somebody is into high treason territory

        > the opposition is ok with easy immigration
        this means somebody is into high treason territory

        Guys, the agenda is always split in two (or more) and each party gets its slice. Party getting to power pushes a mixture of the agenda and some other conflicting stuff, but removes the conflicting stuff of the previous government.

        What I predict (I have no crystal ball, this is what I would do if I wanted to soft coup a country) is infiltration on both high ranking government and low ranking essential services positions (water, energy distribution, roads,communication). If the strategy works, Islam, if it fizzles it is because of some neo-right organization which will have no choice but to enforce the surveillance state that has been conveniently planned even before the crisis started. If the thesis and antithesis generate a synthesis, a new society banning all religious expression will be pushed on us, politically. Culturally this is already the case.

        No matter what happens, the result is the end of the Christian-peppered pseudo-democracy that we enjoyed in the past, which probably ran its course, and did its share of damage BTW.

        Way outs? Everything is about control. What you left the system control, will be used to further remove control from you. Focus on the amount of control you have and you miss, and don't care about politics and parties and flags.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @12:52PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @12:52PM (#520192)

        I agree with the others, if you believe there are significant differences between republicans and democrats then YOU are part of the problem. Do some more research.

        • (Score: 1, Troll) by julian on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:08PM (3 children)

          by julian (6003) on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:08PM (#520322)

          I have health care because of a Democrat. Now a Republican wants to take it away.

          It's a big difference to me.

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by BK on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:19PM (2 children)

            by BK (4868) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:19PM (#520326)

            You have health care (whatever that means...) because a Democrat forces someone else to pay for it at gunpoint. FTFY

            --
            4 out of 5 dentists choose Brand X. The other is just a denier.
            • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by julian on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:33PM (1 child)

              by julian (6003) on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:33PM (#520330)

              You fixed nothing. Taxes are not illegitimate, you have representation. Correcting market failures, overcoming coordination problems, and addressing tragedy of the commons scenarios is an appropriate role for government. Virtually no one accepts your absurd premise and I have no guilt in voting for social programs that benefit everyone even if there are some reprobates and selfish assholes who think they're a rugged individualist and not a member of a society.

              • (Score: 1, Troll) by BK on Sunday June 04 2017, @10:34PM

                by BK (4868) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 04 2017, @10:34PM (#520400)

                Taxes are not illegitimate

                Sometimes they are. But probably not this time.

                you have representation

                Agreed. And Mr. Trump is YOUR representative in the executive branch right now. Isn't that swell?

                [reasons] [are] an appropriate role for government.

                Agreed.

                I have no guilt in voting for social programs that benefit everyone

                Except that's not what you did.

                I have [particular benefit] because

                You voted for a particular benefit, not mainly for the benefit of everyone, but rather for the benefit of yourself. Even if it's a great benefit [for everyone], that still makes you:

                some reprobate and selfish asshole

                and

                not a member of a society

                It certainly doesn't surprise me that someone like you would be represented by Mr. Trump.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:59AM (8 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:59AM (#520088)

      "Even if they aren't the money men behind this attack, between fracking and renewable energy we don't need this barbaric society for our gas anymore. Time we put them in the same column as Kim Jong Un and treat them like the enemies of civilization that they are."
      .
      .
      .

      How much money was necessary to accomplish this attack ? It sounds like it would not have required much money. It appears a vehicle, which may have been
      stolen, and some sort of knives were used. It doesn't sound like a big-budget operation.

      .

      The thing an intelligent person ( not you, obviously ) may want to consider is what exactly MOTIVATES these people who do these awful things ? Are the UK and the US and their allies really innocent victims or is there more to the story. Perhaps some of these people are from countries which have been invaded by the US and its
      allies. Invading countries and killing the people who live in those countries is not likely to make the people who live in the countries which were invaded feel friendly toward the invaders. I live in the US, and I can tell you that if some other country invaded the US and killed people I love, revenge would be a high priority for me.

      .

      This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum, and only a dumb shit thinks the people who do this evil shit have no reasons for doing it. Sure, the US and UK governments want their citizens to believe the US and UK are squeaky clean and utterly without blame, but the truth is that this is not the case. The US is involved in literally dozens of warlike actions around the world right now, some of which are covert and won't be featured on TV, but you had better believe that the people who live in the countries which are the recipients of hostile acts by the US and its allies are going to notice what's going on.

      .

      The truth is not what governments tell you. The truth is what is actually happening. Only a fool would imagine the Islamic extremists just arbitrarily decided to
      attack people in other countries. It is much more likely that the truth involves a series of events which are of the "stimulus - response" variety. In other words,
      one entity does something and the other entity responds.

      .

      Bottom line : violence solves nothing but does lead to more violence. And governments don't give a fuck about this because the government personnel who are
      responsible for this shit are never personally at risk. Only chumps get shot, or blown up, etc. Those responsible sit in comfortable air-conditioned rooms and discuss
      the evil shit they convinced others to do.

      .

      If you haven't watched the film "The Fog of War" yet, I urge you to do so at the first available opportunity. You will come away with a new view of the world.

      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:07AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:07AM (#520089)

        So fucking easy for these clods to explain.

        >The thing an intelligent person ( not you, obviously ) may want to consider is what exactly MOTIVATES these people who do these awful things ?

        Going on to blame the US & UK for inciting them in the first place. Which might make sense if the Muslims were limiting their attacks to these two countries, instead of practically every country on fucking Earth, including their own when they can't get anyone else. Friend, enemy, neutral... they fucking blow themselves up in ALL OF THEM.

        • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by linkdude64 on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:29PM

          by linkdude64 (5482) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:29PM (#520328)

          I just KNEW the USA was to blame for inciting Muslim aggression during the Crusades, but none of my racist fascist probably Trump-supporting - and did I mention RACIST - Professors would teach it!!

          Islam has been peaceful ever since Muhammed personally led his violent crusade against the pagans, just like Jesus led the Crusade against.........YOURE A FUCKING RACIST!!

        • (Score: 2) by bootsy on Monday June 05 2017, @08:52AM

          by bootsy (3440) on Monday June 05 2017, @08:52AM (#520635)

          Attacking London, a city that has Muslim Mayor in control of it, is particularly stupid. It reinforces how their rational is utterly regressive.

      • (Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:50AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:50AM (#520116)

        Quote: This stuff doesn't happen in a vacuum, and only a dumb shit thinks the people who do this evil shit have no reasons for doing it.

        Kindly explain the concert bomber who was a second generation refugee, contributed nothing to society, and lived off the taxes paid by UK citizens. That fucker was wearing a $400.00+ pair of sneakers. Oh I'm so deprived and the UK is treating me horribly, oh woe is me.
        Idiot.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:16AM (1 child)

        by Bot (3902) on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:16AM (#520140)

        > Invading countries and killing the people who live in those countries is not likely to make the people who live in the countries which were invaded feel friendly.

        This is right, that's why you kill the adults, rape the women, make eunuchs of the young. Guess whose modus operandi this is?

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:45AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:45AM (#520159)

        what exactly MOTIVATES these people who do these awful things ?

        Islam

        violence solves nothing but does lead to more violence.

        Violence solves everything when you have to defend yourself against violent attackers.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:04PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:04PM (#520270)

          Yes this is the low-tech equivalent of remote drone attacks and cruise missiles.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:06AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:06AM (#520105)

      Refugee Ali strikes again. When will the "West" learn?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:03AM (#520137)

        Completely wrong.. Bombfugee Akbar is working hard again.
        :p

  • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:36AM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:36AM (#520079)

    Slaughter every pig!

    • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:52AM (2 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) Subscriber Badge on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:52AM (#520100) Homepage

      Looks like n1 forgot the

      From the Religion-of-Peace dept.

      My condolences, British brothers-in-arms. We should team up to nuke the Middle-East sometime.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:03AM (#520104)

        Old queen is old. When will she die.

      • (Score: 1) by darkpixel on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:00PM

        by darkpixel (4281) on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:00PM (#520246)

        My condolences, British brothers-in-arms.

        Since when were the British people allowed to carry guns for self-defense?

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:52AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:52AM (#520086)
    its working. the terrorists have won. freedoms restricted. fear sown. terror felt.
    20 years ago the stripping of our freedoms would have been unthinkable.
    the blood spilled since Independence to ensure our freedoms has been wasted while our own politicians rob us of the freedoms they died for, in the name of 'security'.

    america is great again.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by takyon on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:26AM (4 children)

      by takyon (881) Subscriber Badge <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:26AM (#520095) Journal

      Don't forget the UK. Once Theresa May became PM, freedom became an old pastime and a lost cause. Also the pesky European Court of Human Rights will be out of the picture soon enough.

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      • (Score: 4, Informative) by Jiro on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:28AM (3 children)

        by Jiro (3176) on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:28AM (#520110)
        • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:00AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:00AM (#520117)

          Not that you are COMPLETELY wrong, but I suggest that you consider that it is justified for people to believe that the freedom to say the most asinine and hateful lies is not quite comparable with e.g. the freedom to not be imprisoned without cause or trial.
          We do not allow people to intentionally hurt other people physically, and we trust the courts to get things right and not over-apply it.
          There is a good argument for the same thinking to be applied to psychological abuse.
          Not expecting you to agree with it, but at least recognize the reasonableness of the argument (assuming you are not one of those people who to support their view of free-speech-above-everything claim there is no such thing as psychological abuse and if words hurt you it's your own fault, I doubt there is enough common basic ground for me to have a discussion with those people).

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:57AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:57AM (#520163)

            the freedom to say the most asinine and hateful lies

            The most hateful lies are getting people murdered - Islam is one such set of hateful lies.

            We do not allow people to intentionally hurt other people physically

            Look at the migrant crime rates and tell me the EU isn't allowing this.

            , and we trust the courts to get things right and not over-apply it.

            No, the sentances are too lenient.

            There is a good argument for the same thinking to be applied to psychological abuse.

            So lock up the EU officials inviting mass migration, sweeping the crime statistics under the rug and calling for "hate crime" legislation in order to silence those who tell the truth.

        • (Score: 2) by quietus on Sunday June 04 2017, @01:19PM

          by quietus (6328) on Sunday June 04 2017, @01:19PM (#520198)

          The media were a great facilitator in the rise of fascism in Europe in the '30s -- Martha Gellhorn [amazon.com] gives a vivid description of the [contents of] German newspapers, and corresponding atmosphere, of that time. That is the background against which limits of free speech (and actions, it might be added: bringing the nazi salute in public will bring you at least a fine, and might land you in jail in my own country) must be seen: lessons drawn from blood, not hypotheticals.

          If you want to learn more about the dangers of "free" speech, in this context, as well as in modern times, I can recommend Victor Klemperer's Language of the Third Reich [amazon.com]. Among other things, you might learn that the "fake news" meme was used by the nazi's too:

          On countless occasions during my spell as an assistant in Naples I heard people say about some newspaper or other: è pagato, it’s paid for, it lies for its client, and then on the following day these very same people who had cried pagato were absolutely convinced by some obviously bogus piece of news in the same paper. Because it was printed in such bold type, and because the other people believed it. … I also know that a part of every intellectual’s soul belongs to the people, that all my awareness of being lied to, and my critical attentiveness, are of no avail when it comes to it: at some point the printed lie will get the better of me when it attacks from all sides and is queried by fewer and fewer around me and finally by no one at all.

          The Language of the Third Reich (2002), pp. 207-208.

    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:11AM

      by kaszz (4211) on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:11AM (#520139) Journal

      Who let people in with a proven history of theological motivated violence into the country in huge numbers ? Who schemes to implement gigantic surveillance, "to fight terrorism" ? Who gets more business when people move to areas with less bomb prone inhabitants? Where does much of the tax money go to finance all actions against problems created in the first place? etc..

      It's not necessarily that the terrorists is the most relevant player, but actually completely other players.

    • (Score: 2) by aliks on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:20AM (3 children)

      by aliks (357) on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:20AM (#520172)

      I live a couple of kilometers from London bridge, and I don't feel terrified. This won't affect the way I live.

      The message to the madmen behind these attacks - terrorism does not work.

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      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:54AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:54AM (#520180)

        I live a couple of kilometers from London bridge

        That's just over a mile.

        The message to the madmen behind these attacks - terrorism does not work.

        Tell that to the families of the victims and try not to come over so callous.

        • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Monday June 05 2017, @10:14AM

          by Wootery (2341) on Monday June 05 2017, @10:14AM (#520653)

          Tell that to the families of the victims and try not to come over so callous.

          Stop being obtuse. Terrorism very rarely works. Terrorism isn't about killing people. The body-count is a means, not an end, and the fact is that terrorism very rarely succeeds in achieving its ends. [schneier.com]

          Islamic terrorism isn't going to trigger an uprising of 'true believers' against the decadent westerners. It's not going to strengthen ISIS. It's ultimately ineffective.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:02PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:02PM (#520228)

        you say that, and i'm happy for you, individually. but you're just one. your country on the other hand is afraid. its actions speak volumes. g'day.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:08AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:08AM (#520091)

    1. He/they weren't really Muslim.

    2. This has nothing to do with Islam, and he does not represent Islam.

    3. Claim to be the religion of peace.

    4. Claim that it's blow back due to the west being in the Middle East, then blame western foreign policy.

    5. Claim the guy was mentally ill.

    6. Claim the guy was on drugs, or that he was gay. Therefore, he couldn't possibly have been a real Muslim.

    7. Say it is a "lone wolf attack."

    8. Compare the death toll to other tragic events and minimize the significance of the deaths.

    9. Remind the citizens that it's just part of living in a big city.

    10. Claim Christians do these things too, and bring up the defensive inquisition.

    11. Misquote verse 5:32 of the Quran, saying "If you killed one person, it's as if you killed the whole of humanity," to pretend Islam prohibits killing non-believers.

    12. Call those who blame Muslims racist hateful Nazi bigots.

    13. Blame Donald Trump.

    14. Blame Islamophobia.

    15. Blame Israel.

    16. Be concerned that this will only empower the alt-right.

    17. Change Facebook profile to flag of afflicted country.

    18. Fill media with tearful cartoons and sad characters.

    19. Start # pray for (insert name of city here).

    20. Politicians, media, and victims' families remind the citizens, "We will not be afraid."

    21. Light some candles, hold a vigil, and go on a peace march/raise money for the victims.

    22. Claim Muslims are the real victims in this.

    23. Claim terrorism has nothing to do with immigration.

    24. Import more Muslim "refugees."

    25. Wait for the next Islamic terrorist attack to happen.

    26. Go back to step 1. Repeat when needed.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:09AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:09AM (#520106)
      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:07AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:07AM (#520126)

        That above is exactly what is being done. Propagandists are sometimes hard to tell from real, confused posters. Most people are not smart enough to not fall for propaganda. The radio can tell them things and they will believe it.

        It is the duty of all who understand propaganda to unravel the propaganda in front of the idiots. Problem is, there are too many propagandists who are paid by the hour (or by number of posts) working against real people who spend their own time and will never be paid for it in monetary terms in the near future. But the fight is worth it.

        It is a war of the government and secret society propagandists against the rest of us.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:40PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:40PM (#520258)

        So the goal of Isis is to stop immigration so they can continue to oppress muslims. The only way they will stop the terrorism is to stop immigration. So basically as long as we continue to take refugees they will continue to kill us.

        But don't worry immigration has nothing to do with this

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:22PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:22PM (#520217)

      It is weird that you can actually recite all the reasons your analysis is wrong, and yet at the end it all rolls off you like water off a duck's back and you dimiss them all without a single counterpoint.

      • (Score: 2) by Sulla on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:50PM (1 child)

        by Sulla (5173) on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:50PM (#520263) Journal

        You must not read the news, view twitter, see facebook, or interact with people around you. Poster did a pretty good job laying out the next several weeks of news headlines and twitter hashtags.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:08PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:08PM (#520301)

          Poster did a pretty good job laying out the next several weeks of news headlines and twitter hashtags.

          ... and did nothing to rebut them.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:30AM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:30AM (#520111)

    Poland almost never has terrorist attacks. Poland happens to block refugees.

    It's been 2 decades since Japan had a terrorist attack. Tokyo is not a small city; why isn't it like London or Paris? This could be because Japan only let in a couple dozen refugees and has about 1000 muslims in the entire country, all being tracked and monitored by the national government by act of parliament.

    Europe as a whole gets about 1 attack every 8 or 9 days. Remember, this isn't happening in Poland. The reason is obvious, as is the solution.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:12AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:12AM (#520128)

      Israeli Secret Intelligence Service (ISIS) needs to bring people in to make the attacks. They cannot use the locals, as the puppet masters will be easily found out. They can't risk their entire operation of starting WW3 being exposed.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:11PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:11PM (#520233)

      Poland almost never has terrorist attacks. Poland happens to block refugees.

      Poland is hardly a beacon of light.

      Poland also restricts freedom of the press. [ft.com]
      Racist attacks by whites are up 10x since 2000 [dw.com] and a government council established to investigate the causes of such attacks was recently abolished by the new right-wing government.

      It's been 2 decades since Japan had a terrorist attack.

      In 2008 a man drove a truck into the crowd [wikipedia.org] in the Akihabara district of Tokyo killing 7 and injuring another 10.
      In 2016 a man stabbed 19 to death and injured another 45 [theguardian.com] in a town outside of Tokyo.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @10:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @10:50PM (#520405)

        Ran out of instances in Tokyo, so you had to reference a city outside of Tokyo. Sad.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05 2017, @02:03AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05 2017, @02:03AM (#520514)

        Thank you for the rundown on this Poland thing that got started.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:47AM (8 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:47AM (#520114)

    I find it interesting that this attack was carried out by three people - that negates the lone wolf angle as well as most other attempts to generally discredit individual attackers. And they also screamed "This is for Allah" as opposed to the standard allahu akbar which in some recent attacks some of the media has been translating for no apparent reason other than to make it less than 100% clear that it was yet another act of Islamic terrorism.

    I wouldn't think anything of this if it was just one or the other, but an attack that didn't necessarily need 3 people using 3 people and translating their 'warcry' to English makes this seem less likely to be a coincidence.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tfried on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:20AM (7 children)

      by tfried (5534) on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:20AM (#520129)

      Yes, exactly. These dorks want to incite religious war. They want to force their fellow Muslims into deciding "which side are you on", where "true believer" and "traitor" will be the only acceptable answers. They want their Christian neighbours to meet all Muslims (or those looking Muslim) with suspicion and hate, because they know that drastically increases the chances of Muslims to pick the "true believer" side.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:42AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:42AM (#520144)

        They haven't reflected on that there are more British people than Muslims in the UK by a wide margin? If it comes to a sharp situation that can turn into a terminal and final result. Organized violence is something the west has refined for many hundreds of years.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:31PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:31PM (#520221)

          The problem is that it's a religion. Logic and rationale almost immediately goes out the window in favor of blind belief and faith. Dying in a holy war is a sure fire ticket to 72 virgins. True, vigilant, belief in such things is enough to make people even desire death.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:33PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:33PM (#520310)

            What's so great about virgins? They don't know how to do it. Give me three experienced women every time.

            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:56PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 06 2017, @03:56PM (#521382)

              Are they even specified to be women? They might rock up to the Muslim version of the pearly gates and get presented with 72 UKIP voters with stained Y-fronts and a beer-gut poking out from under a string vest.

      • (Score: 1) by oakgrove on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:02PM (2 children)

        by oakgrove (5864) on Sunday June 04 2017, @04:02PM (#520247)

        So, um, all these other Muslims you're so worried about? Where are they this fine morning? Out protesting en mass how their peaceful religion is being 'perverted' by the extremists? Yeah, thought not.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:37AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:37AM (#520142)

    Wahhabism is a strict interpretation of Islam, which among other things has the dogma that non-believers ie anyone not believing in Islam should be killed. This is an interpretation that is dominant in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and United Arab Emirates. These countries finance mosques in the west and elsewhere provided they hire an Imam (priest) educated from their country to preach wahhabism. And in addition other lecturers visit that tells the congregation that the people in the west is bad and deserve to die. Guess the end result....

    The political leadership in the west would put an end to this if things were normal. But guess where the oil which is important for the economy comes from. It's not far fetched to think that "allow our mosques to be built and allow 3rd world Islamist inside your country, or we will cut you oil supply!".

    Btw.. the Muslim Brotherhood uses Qatar as their "base". Guess what their goal is..

    These terrorist attacks starts to become quite repetitive. Same old story. Young person with a background in the middle east, deep into religion, a history of criminality. If there are no dry grass there won't be any grass fires. Just saying.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:40PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @02:40PM (#520225)

      The muslim brotherhood are not wahhabis.
      This is a summary [reddit.com] from a moderator of /r/geopolitics who has a masters degree in international relations with a focus on terrorism.

      Wahhabism

      This is a form of Salafism that began in central Arabia (modern-day Saudi Arabia) in the mid-18th century. It is based on the teachings of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab, a Sunni preacher who sought to return Islam to its original principles and and rejected many common Muslim practices. The movement around his teachings came to prominence because of an alliance with the Saud family and its leader, Muhammad ibn Saud; Wahhad would give religious legitimacy for Saudi expansionism and political rule, while the Saudis would adopt and support Wahhab's ideology. This pact has held for more than 300 years and today dominates in the Arabian Peninsula.

      The reason that you hear often about Wahhabism is because beginning in the 1970s the Saudi government spent billions of its newfound oil wealth on promoting Wahhabism abroad through building and funding schools, mosques, and other institutions. This has resulted in many Muslims around the world adopting more conservative values than what was there prior to the 1970s.

      Because Wahhabism is a regional offshoot of Salafism, it holds many of the same ideals. It embraces a puritanical form of Islam. It stresses the oneness of God (tawhid), rejects Islamic legal scholarship that does not conform to narrowly interpretations of the Quran, the sunna, and hadith, and doubt the legitimacy of interpretations that are more accepting of what they see are illegitimate practices like visiting tombs, shrines, and graves or adopting foreign dress. And it is very hostile to Shia Islam, which is views as a heretical sect.

      Muslim Brotherhood

      The Muslim Brotherhood (MB) is an Islamist organization started in Egypt in 1928 by a man named Hassan al-Banna. As a man living in the city of Ismailia, Banna grew disillusioned by the role of British colonialism in Egypt and the influence that British culture was having on Egypt. He saw Islam as losing its dominance in society and viewed the West as having a corrupting influence. He created the MB as a means of counteracting this trend; it rejected Western political and social models and calls for the application of shariah and the Islamization of society. But it was more than a political organization. The MB also developed an extensive social services program; it created and funded schools, hospitals, welfare funds, and pharmacies. Most of the services were provided to areas and people that received no such services from the government. For many individuals, the social work of the MB is just as important as its political activism.

      Today, the MB continues to be the oldest modern Islamist political movement in the Arab World and is also likely the most important. The group has expanded, with branches or offshoots in more than a dozen countries, and its thinkers and leaders have influenced Islamist movements and groups all over the world. Although many of these groups share similar ideals and names, they each operate independently of each other. At times over the past century, different branches engaged in terrorism and violence: Hamas (which grew out of the MB in Palestine), the MB led a bloody revolt in Syria during the 1980s that ended with the tragic siege of Hama, and the MB in Egypt engaged in terrorism for several decades before later renouncing it.

      Although the Muslim Brotherhood shares some ideas with Salafists and jihadists, at their core they are very different. The MB today has largely rejected violence and many branches participate peacefully in the political process. Religiously, it accepts human interpretations of the Quran and Islamic texts and less puritanical forms of Islam. And its embraces social service an missionary work as a means of developing grassroots support and generating Islamization from the bottom up.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:16PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:16PM (#520234)

        So the MB has "largely" (therefore not completely) rejected violence. Whew, that's a relief!

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:54PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:54PM (#520244)

          So the MB has "largely" (therefore not completely) rejected violence. Whew, that's a relief!

          At least 26% of American christians [gallup.com] think that it is justified for an individual person or a small group of persons to target and kill civilians.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:11PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:11PM (#520323)

            So what about the American agnostics? atheists? buddhists? pastafarians?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:23PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:23PM (#520349)

              Read the link, the non-religious are represented there too and are less violent than christians, but still more violent than muslims.

  • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:26PM (2 children)

    by TheRaven (270) on Sunday June 04 2017, @03:26PM (#520238) Journal
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:24PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:24PM (#520276)

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      • (Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:34PM

        by turgid (4318) on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:34PM (#520312) Journal

        BREXTERMINATE! BREXTERMINATE! BREXTERMINATE!

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Entropy on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:55PM (9 children)

    by Entropy (4228) on Sunday June 04 2017, @05:55PM (#520296)

    According to London's Muslim mayor, Sadiq Kahn:
    “no reason to be alarmed.”
    “one of the safest global cities in the world if not the safest global cities in the world”
    "Trump's ignorant view of Islam could make both our countries less safe. It risks alienating mainstream Muslims. London has proved him wrong"
    Terrorism is... “part and parcel of living in a big city”

    I don't know about you guys, but in my big city we don't have terrorists blowing stuff up because we didn't let them into the country by the millions, call them refugees, and then prevent anyone from talking about the rape gangs and bombings.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:26PM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @06:26PM (#520307)

      I don't know about you guys, but in my big city we don't have terrorists blowing stuff up because we didn't let them into the country by the millions, call them refugees, and then prevent anyone from talking about the rape gangs and bombings.

      Nor is that happening in London either, no matter how hard you try to push the alt-reich line.
      BTW, which big city is yours?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:40PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @07:40PM (#520334)

        Nor is that happening in London either, no matter how hard you try to push the alt-reich line.

        22/03/17 Westminster: 6 dead, 49 injured

        22/05/17 Manchester: 23 dead, 119 injured

        03/06/17 London Bridge: 7 dead, 21 injured

        Total (denial): It's all some right wing fantasy

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:25PM (5 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:25PM (#520350)

          Wooosh!

          The fact that there were attacks is not disputable.
          The ridiculously self-serving attribution of their motives is.

          PS - Manchester is not London

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:36PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @08:36PM (#520353)

            The fact that there were attacks is not disputable.
            The ridiculously self-serving attribution of their motives is.

            PS - Manchester is not London

            I included Manchester for illustrative purposes, it can happen in any city, anytime. As to "self-serving attribution", we're on day 9 of Ramadan and we currently have 510 people murdered worldwide by Islamists in 46 attacks. There was over 1500 people murdered last month and 1850 murdered during last years Ramadan. It appears this years final total will be higher. Given that most victims of worldwide Islamic terrorism are muslim, what "motives" do you attribute to people who object to such slaughter?

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:08PM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:08PM (#520363)

              Given that most victims of worldwide Islamic terrorism are muslim, what "motives" do you attribute to people who object to such slaughter?

              Muslims being killed by terrorists certainly has nothing to do with, "because we didn't let them into the country by the millions, call them refugees, and then prevent anyone from talking about the rape gangs and bombings."

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:54PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @09:54PM (#520383)

                Muslims being killed by terrorists certainly has nothing to do with, "because we didn't let them into the country by the millions, call them refugees, and then prevent anyone from talking about the rape gangs and bombings."

                No it does not but you appear to be implying they are mutually exclusive positions when they are in fact entirely congruent.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:56PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:56PM (#520452)

                  whatever implications you saw there are in your head

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05 2017, @01:18AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05 2017, @01:18AM (#520492)

                    Muslims being killed by terrorists certainly has nothing to do with, "because we didn't let them into the country by the millions, call them refugees, and then prevent anyone from talking about the rape gangs and bombings."

                    No it does not but you appear to be implying they are mutually exclusive positions when they are in fact entirely congruent.

                    whatever implications you saw there are in your head

                    No, they are in your head! As, clearly, am I; how is that working for you?

    • (Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:04PM

      by purple_cobra (1435) on Tuesday June 06 2017, @04:04PM (#521391)

      The first line was something Trump took out of context from the original statement; Khan actually said that there was no reason to be alarmed by the increased police presence. The rest of the stuff you've posted has also been debunked by the same articles that debunked the "no reason to be alarmed" part. It's worth reading the whole statement - and responses by people a bit less reactionary than Trump - so you have the whole story.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:04PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:04PM (#520421)

    I remember Trump said he had a secret plan that would destroy ISIS in 30 days. That was like 100 days ago. Why won't he tell us his secret plan?! And save London - they have lots of parks that could be converted into golf courses for billionaires.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday June 04 2017, @11:32PM (#520442)

      Why won't he tell us his secret plan?!

      Ask John McCain?! [wp.com] While you're also asking him how much money his foundation received from the Saudi's, you may also want to ask how much Vietnamese Dong he took before his infamous Tokyo Rose Recording! [youtube.com]

      Also ask Hilary Clinton how much money she took from the Saudi's.

      Then come back when you realise that if the Saudi's hadn't bought so many people in Washington; Trump would never have done the arms deal.

  • (Score: 1) by realDonaldTrump on Monday June 05 2017, @02:59AM

    by realDonaldTrump (6614) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 05 2017, @02:59AM (#520546) Homepage Journal

    America is praying for you and your party as you face this election. Only a leader who understands that torture works can put an end to radical Islamic terrorism. You are that leader. You understand. Go Paul! Go UKIP! #BritainTogether #TrumpResorts

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