posted by
martyb
on Thursday February 14 2019, @01:49AM
from the squeak-now-or-forever-hold-your-grease dept.
from the squeak-now-or-forever-hold-your-grease dept.
The text of Article13 and the EU Copyright Directive has just been finalised and it's utterly awful. It is clear what we do now: contact MEPs and get them to vote down the entire package.
https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/
Our best bet: The final vote in the plenary of the European Parliament, when all 751 MEPs, directly elected to represent the people, have a vote. This will take place either between March 25 and 28, on April 4 or between April 15 and 18. We've already demonstrated last July that a majority against a bad copyright proposal is achievable.
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The Text of Article 13 and the EU Copyright Directive has Just Been Finalised
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(Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:01AM (2 children)
It only attempts to break the whole internet to bump the profits of a few, who are totally not currently making billions at all, while clearly showing that the people who wrote it understand the international nature of the beast they are trying to regulate.
Be glad our highly-paid elected officials took so long carefully negotiating a perfect compromise package.
(Score: 2, Disagree) by loonycyborg on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:16PM (1 child)
It is not about profits. Copyright holders already are enjoying insane margins. It's about segregating access to knowledge and culture based on social/income class.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:22PM
"Greedy people in control want more money"
"No, those people are actively out to try to get us, manipulate us, enslave us, because they want more power and money"
hmmm...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:19AM (1 child)
Citizens seemingly should be learning of the law only after it's all set to come into force.
(Score: 2) by pe1rxq on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:49AM
In the Netherlands it was one of the top stories in every TV news bulletin.... So where in the EU do they have a blackout?
(Still does not make the proposal less terrible)
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:46AM
Whether it's a "bad" copyright proposal or not is in the eye of the beholder. The people that matter seem to think it's good enough to propose and vote on.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:48AM (7 children)
This story just broke the law and infringed copyright?
(Score: 4, Informative) by RandomFactor on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:50AM (4 children)
Well, yes....
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:48AM (2 children)
So... You just broke the law again?
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:40PM (1 child)
How do I quote AC without breaking the law ?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:20PM
Send me $1 for every view it gets.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @01:14AM
Since the "news article" being linked, is a 13KiB HTML file pulling in 100KiB of javascript and 500KiB of images, the full text of the actual article should be fully reproducible - its likely less then 0.01% of the page being linked.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:32AM (1 child)
Nope.
If you read the article... (I know that is a stretch for most people...) The author closes with the following sentence:
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:23PM
Do we know to which extent this will be possible under article 13 then?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:52AM (13 children)
Solution is to leave the EU, it seems to be a toxic organization.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:13AM
to the most restrictive version. The tried and true ratchet mechanism, works every time.
You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Displaying this line will need a paid license.
(Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:15AM (9 children)
Maybe it is one solution to this problem. Maybe not - there's no warranty that each of the states, on their own, can resist better on the copyright assault. Hint: neither have the US states on their own managed to do better
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On the other side (with me doing what the editors should have done and providing the original text links included)
A thing that clearly demonstrates that other proper solutions do exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:20AM (2 children)
Because they can't by the constraints of the Constitution.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:04PM (1 child)
The constitution would not prevent us to returning to the definition of "limited time" that we used in the past.
I think most of the problems would be resolved if we just made "limited time" equal to five or ten years.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 15 2019, @12:36AM
I agree we should have done that long ago, but that doesn't give the states the power to do so on their own initiative.
(Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:43AM (5 children)
The closer government is to you the easier it is to control. Chances of failing to get something passed in the federal legislature is much higher than at the state level.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:51AM (4 children)
Really? My first 20+ years of life (under a communist regime) tells me the opposite: the farthest the government is from me, the easier is to control my life.
And if I can have enough control on my life, I really don't give a a damn'd piss over the government.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:51AM (3 children)
yes! "Fuck you, I got mine!" is the principle we should all live on.
corruption worked in "communist" countries in the sense that the countries went to shit and the eastern block is still struggling to fix systemic problems in industry and infrastructure 30 years after the supposed regime changes happened.
and yes, by corruption I mean a system where individual people don't give a shit about the government because they have their local network of "friends" and black market that gives them a facsimile of a reasonable life. The simple fact that the USSR collapsed is proof that such a system does not function.
In Belgium, where they are properly civilized, the country survived for years (~2010) without a central government because they had a strong legal system in place, and authority was divided between different entities such that a corrupted system did not take over.
We need the EU to set up the solid legal foundation that local governments can function on. As long as that solid foundation is stable and enforced, it's true that the EU leadership can take a break (just like the belgian central government).
This article13 thing wants to go into the solid foundation, and we need to keep it out.
If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, at least don't pollute it with defective ideas.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:19AM
It has already been decided that you are one of these people, btw. How many bars of soap in your village?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @11:19AM
Really now, read once again the whole thread, including this [soylentnews.org].
Maybe you'll understand that I don't oppose governance, just have a low opinion on the government as a mean for governance.
One can hope you also see a distinction between legislative and executive, or is it too much to ask?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 14 2019, @01:06PM
That straw man was coming right for us!
Good idea.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:45AM (1 child)
From the article:
So basically, support the far right groups to leave the EU, and watch as those same groups try to turn your democracies into authoritarian governments.
What can go wrong with that?
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:53AM
So authoritarians (people who want to tell everyone what to do, and force them to pay for that) on all sides over there?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:43AM (5 children)
If owned & hosted outside EU, will they get a free pass as not designed for EU users?
(Score: 2) by zocalo on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:52AM (4 children)
The Republic of Ireland is kind of like New Zealand in a way; it's the country that often gets overlooked, only instead of being left off maps like New Zealand, it's overlooked when thinking about political matters of the EU. e.g. the fact it presents a physical land border between the EU and UK and all that entailed (even before the Good Friday Agreement is factored in) was overlooked by just about the entire Leave Campaign and it's now perhaps the biggest sticking point in getting a deal.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:56AM (3 children)
Are you thinking of Scotland? This is Ireland: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Ireland_%28MODIS%29.jpg/800px-Ireland_%28MODIS%29.jpg [wikimedia.org]
(Score: 3, Informative) by zocalo on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:57AM
That will change if Scotland ever gets its independance and becomes also sovereign, of course.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @12:00PM (1 child)
Where's my "-1 Clueless" mod when I need it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:33PM
Indeed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:36AM
Fucked net neutrality in the US and now are pushing this in the EU.
What a lovely bunch.