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posted by martyb on Thursday February 14 2019, @01:49AM   Printer-friendly
from the squeak-now-or-forever-hold-your-grease dept.

The text of Article13 and the EU Copyright Directive has just been finalised and it's utterly awful. It is clear what we do now: contact MEPs and get them to vote down the entire package.

https://juliareda.eu/2019/02/eu-copyright-final-text/

Our best bet: The final vote in the plenary of the European Parliament, when all 751 MEPs, directly elected to represent the people, have a vote. This will take place either between March 25 and 28, on April 4 or between April 15 and 18. We've already demonstrated last July that a majority against a bad copyright proposal is achievable.


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  • (Score: 4, Funny) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:01AM (2 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:01AM (#800830)

    It only attempts to break the whole internet to bump the profits of a few, who are totally not currently making billions at all, while clearly showing that the people who wrote it understand the international nature of the beast they are trying to regulate.
    Be glad our highly-paid elected officials took so long carefully negotiating a perfect compromise package.

    • (Score: 2, Disagree) by loonycyborg on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:16PM (1 child)

      by loonycyborg (6905) on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:16PM (#801126)

      It is not about profits. Copyright holders already are enjoying insane margins. It's about segregating access to knowledge and culture based on social/income class.

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:22PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:22PM (#801137)

        "Greedy people in control want more money"
        "No, those people are actively out to try to get us, manipulate us, enslave us, because they want more power and money"

        hmmm...

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:19AM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:19AM (#800837)

    Citizens seemingly should be learning of the law only after it's all set to come into force.

    • (Score: 2) by pe1rxq on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:49AM

      by pe1rxq (844) on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:49AM (#800922) Homepage

      In the Netherlands it was one of the top stories in every TV news bulletin.... So where in the EU do they have a blackout?
      (Still does not make the proposal less terrible)

  • (Score: 2) by crafoo on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:46AM

    by crafoo (6639) on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:46AM (#800845)

    Whether it's a "bad" copyright proposal or not is in the eye of the beholder. The people that matter seem to think it's good enough to propose and vote on.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:48AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:48AM (#800847)

    This story just broke the law and infringed copyright?

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by RandomFactor on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:50AM (4 children)

      by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:50AM (#800849) Journal

      Well, yes....

      Reproducing more than “single words or very short extracts” of news stories will require a licence. That will likely cover many of the snippets commonly shown alongside links today in order to give you an idea of what they lead to. We will have to wait and see how courts interpret what “very short” means in practice – until then, hyperlinking (with snippets) will be mired in legal uncertainty.

      --
      В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
      • (Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:48AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:48AM (#800868)

        So... You just broke the law again?

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:40PM (1 child)

          by bob_super (1357) on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:40PM (#801059)

          How do I quote AC without breaking the law ?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:20PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:20PM (#801253)

            Send me $1 for every view it gets.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @01:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 15 2019, @01:14AM (#801320)

        Since the "news article" being linked, is a 13KiB HTML file pulling in 100KiB of javascript and 500KiB of images, the full text of the actual article should be fully reproducible - its likely less then 0.01% of the page being linked.

    • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:32AM (1 child)

      by stretch611 (6199) on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:32AM (#800919)

      Nope.

      If you read the article... (I know that is a stretch for most people...) The author closes with the following sentence:

      To the extent possible under law, the creator has waived all copyright and related or neighboring rights to this work.

      --
      Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:23PM (#801183)

        Do we know to which extent this will be possible under article 13 then?

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:52AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @02:52AM (#800851)

    Solution is to leave the EU, it seems to be a toxic organization.

    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:13AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:13AM (#800858)

      to the most restrictive version. The tried and true ratchet mechanism, works every time.

      You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile. Displaying this line will need a paid license.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:15AM (9 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:15AM (#800862) Journal

      We’ve already demonstrated last July that a majority against a bad copyright proposal is achievable.

      Maybe it is one solution to this problem. Maybe not - there's no warranty that each of the states, on their own, can resist better on the copyright assault. Hint: neither have the US states on their own managed to do better

      ----

      On the other side (with me doing what the editors should have done and providing the original text links included)

      We’ve already demonstrated last July [technollama.co.uk] that a majority against a bad copyright proposal is achievable.

      A thing that clearly demonstrates that other proper solutions do exist.

      --
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:20AM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:20AM (#800889) Journal

        Hint: neither have the US states on their own managed to do better

        Because they can't by the constraints of the Constitution.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:04PM (1 child)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday February 14 2019, @07:04PM (#801112) Journal

          The constitution would not prevent us to returning to the definition of "limited time" that we used in the past.

          I think most of the problems would be resolved if we just made "limited time" equal to five or ten years.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday February 15 2019, @12:36AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday February 15 2019, @12:36AM (#801305) Journal

            The constitution would not prevent us to returning to the definition of "limited time" that we used in the past.

            I agree we should have done that long ago, but that doesn't give the states the power to do so on their own initiative.

      • (Score: 1) by Sulla on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:43AM (5 children)

        by Sulla (5173) on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:43AM (#800895) Journal

        The closer government is to you the easier it is to control. Chances of failing to get something passed in the federal legislature is much higher than at the state level.

        --
        Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:51AM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @05:51AM (#800897) Journal

          The closer government is to you the easier it is to control.

          Really? My first 20+ years of life (under a communist regime) tells me the opposite: the farthest the government is from me, the easier is to control my life.
          And if I can have enough control on my life, I really don't give a a damn'd piss over the government.

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:51AM (3 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:51AM (#800925)

            yes! "Fuck you, I got mine!" is the principle we should all live on.

            corruption worked in "communist" countries in the sense that the countries went to shit and the eastern block is still struggling to fix systemic problems in industry and infrastructure 30 years after the supposed regime changes happened.
            and yes, by corruption I mean a system where individual people don't give a shit about the government because they have their local network of "friends" and black market that gives them a facsimile of a reasonable life. The simple fact that the USSR collapsed is proof that such a system does not function.

            In Belgium, where they are properly civilized, the country survived for years (~2010) without a central government because they had a strong legal system in place, and authority was divided between different entities such that a corrupted system did not take over.
            We need the EU to set up the solid legal foundation that local governments can function on. As long as that solid foundation is stable and enforced, it's true that the EU leadership can take a break (just like the belgian central government).
            This article13 thing wants to go into the solid foundation, and we need to keep it out.
            If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, at least don't pollute it with defective ideas.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:19AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:19AM (#800934)

              "Fuck you, I got mine!"

              It has already been decided that you are one of these people, btw. How many bars of soap in your village?

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday February 14 2019, @11:19AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @11:19AM (#800959) Journal

              This article13 thing wants to go into the solid foundation, and we need to keep it out.
              If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, at least don't pollute it with defective ideas.

              Really now, read once again the whole thread, including this [soylentnews.org].
              Maybe you'll understand that I don't oppose governance, just have a low opinion on the government as a mean for governance.

              One can hope you also see a distinction between legislative and executive, or is it too much to ask?

              --
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday February 14 2019, @01:06PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday February 14 2019, @01:06PM (#800983) Journal

              yes! "Fuck you, I got mine!" is the principle we should all live on.

              That straw man was coming right for us!

              If you don't have anything constructive to add to the discussion, at least don't pollute it with defective ideas.

              Good idea.

    • (Score: 2) by stretch611 on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:45AM (1 child)

      by stretch611 (6199) on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:45AM (#800921)

      From the article:

      The anti-EU far right is trying to seize this opportunity to promote their narrow-minded nationalist agenda – when in fact without the persistent support of the far-right ENF Group (dominated by the Rassemblement/Front National) the law could have been stopped in the crucial Legal Affairs Committee and in general would not be as extreme as it is today.

      So basically, support the far right groups to leave the EU, and watch as those same groups try to turn your democracies into authoritarian governments.

      What can go wrong with that?

      --
      Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:53AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:53AM (#800926)

        So authoritarians (people who want to tell everyone what to do, and force them to pay for that) on all sides over there?

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:43AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:43AM (#800866)

    If owned & hosted outside EU, will they get a free pass as not designed for EU users?

    • (Score: 2) by zocalo on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:52AM (4 children)

      by zocalo (302) on Thursday February 14 2019, @08:52AM (#800915)
      Even after Brexit English will likely remain an official language of the EU because of the Republic of Ireland, that it's the current international lingua franca, and by doing so it allows them a little more leverage over US tech giants.

      The Republic of Ireland is kind of like New Zealand in a way; it's the country that often gets overlooked, only instead of being left off maps like New Zealand, it's overlooked when thinking about political matters of the EU. e.g. the fact it presents a physical land border between the EU and UK and all that entailed (even before the Good Friday Agreement is factored in) was overlooked by just about the entire Leave Campaign and it's now perhaps the biggest sticking point in getting a deal.
      --
      UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:56AM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @09:56AM (#800928)

        it presents a physical land border between the EU and UK

        Are you thinking of Scotland? This is Ireland: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/74/Ireland_%28MODIS%29.jpg/800px-Ireland_%28MODIS%29.jpg [wikimedia.org]

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by zocalo on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:57AM

          by zocalo (302) on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:57AM (#800951)
          Scotland and Northern Ireland are part of the UK, whereas The Republic of Ireland is a sovereign country in its own right. There are some other land border issues with Brexit - e.g. Gibralter - but the only physical land border between the EU and UK proper lies between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

          That will change if Scotland ever gets its independance and becomes also sovereign, of course.
          --
          UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @12:00PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @12:00PM (#800974)

          Where's my "-1 Clueless" mod when I need it?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:33PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @03:33PM (#801014)

            Indeed.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:36AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 14 2019, @10:36AM (#800941)

    Fucked net neutrality in the US and now are pushing this in the EU.

    What a lovely bunch.

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