Two members of the public have died after a stabbing attack at London Bridge, in which police also shot dead the suspect.
The Met Police has declared the attack a terrorist incident.
The suspect, who died at the scene, was believed to have been wearing a hoax explosive device, police said.
Videos on social media appear to show passers-by holding down a man. An officer arrives, seems to indicate to the group to move, and fires a shot.
A Whitehall source confirmed two members of the public died to the BBC but gave no further information.
Details are still emerging and Neil Basu, the head of UK counter-terrorism policing, said the force was keeping an open mind over the motive.
He said officers were called to a stabbing at a premises near the bridge just before 14:00.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Friday November 29 2019, @06:56PM (51 children)
Here, links:
What we know so far about the London Bridge attack – visual guide [theguardian.com]
London Bridge terror attack: Man wearing fake explosive device killed by police; several injured [usatoday.com]
Do we know that the guy was a terrorist and not a cartel member? :)
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:10PM (34 children)
If its not a terrorist attack does it make the act any different? Seems the media spends a lot of effort on a programming keyword.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:22PM (12 children)
The fake news is trying to push headlines with the word terrorist in it for some reason. No one knows the motive, as it says in tfs. FAKE news.
(Score: 3, Informative) by janrinok on Saturday November 30 2019, @12:51PM (11 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @04:35PM (10 children)
Details are still emerging and Neil Basu, the head of UK counter-terrorism policing, said the force was keeping an open mind over the motive.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @05:44PM (8 children)
A convicted terrorist wearing a fake suicide vest with a knife strapped to his forearm... The only people keeping an open mind are those with empty skulls.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @05:55PM (7 children)
What does a fake suicide vest look like?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @07:07PM (6 children)
In this case, visually indistinguishable from a real one which is why the ISIS terrorist [dailymail.co.uk] was shot.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @07:30PM (5 children)
Looks like body armor to me. It sounds like members of the public disarmed and beat him not noticing this suicide vest... then police showed up, shouted bomb, and shot him.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @09:07PM (4 children)
and nothing of value was lost - if only the same could be said for the two innocent people murdered by the inbred fuckwit!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @10:27PM (2 children)
The opportunity to interrogate the offender was lost.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @11:59PM (1 child)
As I said, nothing of value - and what possible value would an "allah akbar!" from a murderous fuckwit have exactly? Show your working.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 01 2019, @01:13AM
Sorry, but you are a moron if you can't think of anything. Have fun with your drone-like existence.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 01 2019, @12:20PM
shhhh, we're not allow to say that they have been inbreeding for centuries
not can you say anything like: forcibly married to the first cousins historically
but you can possibly say 'genetically dysfunctional due to breeding choices'
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:52PM
yeah, they're fucking full of shit and trying to cover up that it was another stupid fucking musrat piece of shit.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 29 2019, @07:33PM (14 children)
There is a narrative. When an incident fits into one set of parameters, it's a "terror attack". If a similar incident falls outside of those parameters, then it's not a "terror" attack, but just some nut run amok. If drugs are involved, then it's a "gang related" act of violence. You will, of course, note that all of Europe avoids branding a terror attack as "Islamic", for fear of offending the terrorists.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:47PM (1 child)
Brexiteers running amok!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:55PM
Thank god it was not the antifa armed with milkshakes laced with quick-setting ferro-cement.
(Score: 2) by opinionated_science on Friday November 29 2019, @11:57PM (8 children)
and now the perpetrator was shot dead, even though disarmed, cannot be questioned to challenge the narrative.
It is a worrying sign of the times that wearing a *fake* suicide vest almost guarantee's the same outcome...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 30 2019, @03:02AM (4 children)
What's worrying about that? Self-defense applies just as it would in any other era.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:10AM (3 children)
Well, you know, it is not like this would ever have been reported in the United States. Not sufficient fatalities. No firearms involved. And shot-to-death without cause, by American Law Enforcement Officers? (Yes, that is what they call them, regardless.)
(Score: 3, Funny) by janrinok on Saturday November 30 2019, @12:38PM
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 30 2019, @02:26PM
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Acabatag on Saturday November 30 2019, @04:50PM
A Person of Color shot by a law enforcement officer? You think that would have been ignored by the US Media?
(Score: 4, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 30 2019, @07:24AM (2 children)
*cough*
So long as he had that stupid vest on, he was not "disarmed". The apparent summary execution was right and proper, and now it's time for tea, I think.
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:17AM (1 child)
Exactly the way I, and all law abiding Americans who support the Rule of law, even for Presidents and Runaway1956 traitor tractor drivers, so I hope you are not surprised, Runaway, when the apparent becomes real. Of course, once you are dead, obviously right and proper. You fucking Right Wing Nut Job with a gun and too little sense. When they say "drop your weapon!", please hold it higher in defense of Making America Great And one more Trump supporter dead. So much for your "Civil War". We beat you before you could even fart.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 30 2019, @09:48AM
Dumbass, I've never worn a suicide vest, real or fake, in my life. The man who pulled the trigger didn't know the damned vest was fake, when he pulled the trigger. He was eliminating a threat, not only to his own life, but the lives of everyone standing within - ohhhh - 100 feet? 150 feet? What's maximum blast radius for a suicide vest? I suppose a big, strapping young man with some bodybuilding experience, and maybe military training to boot could carry a hellacious suicide vest with the potential kill range of 300 feet. Such a vest might even cause some superficial damage to the bridge he was standing on. So, yes, the apparent execution of the sumbitch wearing the vest is 100% justifiable. Send the bastard to talk to his creator about his misconduct, before he sends 100 other people to their just rewards.
(Score: 2) by Username on Saturday November 30 2019, @06:39PM (1 child)
Are you're saying this london bridge attack was an act of violence committed by a gangster simply because Al Qaeda operates and is funded by opium farms and heroin sales in Afghanistan?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday November 30 2019, @07:01PM
Nope. You said that. But, I might agree with you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @11:05AM
is that because their countries now have too many terrorists SORRY!! MUSLIMS in them?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @05:41AM (5 children)
I think the incident emphasizes why it matters.
Multiple people lost their lives, many others wounded, and an unimaginable number seriously traumatized in something that should have never happened if the UK wasn't out of their mind. This guy was literally arrested for terrorism, and then released with an electronic monitoring tag. Police: "Yip, we knew exactly where he was as he was stabbing folks!" He had just come from a conference, "Learning Together", described [cam.ac.uk] as a program that "brings together people in criminal justice and higher education institutions to study alongside each other in inclusive and transformative learning communities."
I'm fully a fan of social improvements, but I think many of the ideas we have today are bordering on delusional. Would the UK truly be a worse or less embracing nation if there wasn't a single convicted terrorist allowed within its borders? I do not think terrorism should be treated like a normal crime, because it is not.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @12:57PM
His sentence was IPP before ECHR ruled them unlawful. [theguardian.com] So now we have released terrorists and other violent criminals roaming the streets under the pretence of "human rights". Indeterminate sentences were meant to protect the public which is the entire point of human rights law. Releasing dangerous criminals into the community is only an objective of cartoon criminals like the Joker and Orwellian titled ECHR.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday November 30 2019, @02:37PM (3 children)
Where are you going to put British nationals? In theory, this guy was originally from Pakistan, so they might choose to accept him back, or they might not, him being a terrorist and all. Then you're stuck.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @02:57PM
Between the fire extinguisher and the Narwhal tusk. [twitter.com]
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @04:47PM (1 child)
We're a civilized people so we should give them freedom. On a tiny uninhabited island far away from any civilization. Each will be fully equipped with their favorite tools - a knife and a Quran. Allah will decide the rest. We can name the island Allahstralia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 01 2019, @09:42AM
Not, Ireland? Or, Australia? Or the Isle of Man?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by AnonTechie on Friday November 29 2019, @08:32PM (7 children)
Another stabbing in the Netherlands ...
The Hague stabbing: Several hurt in attack at department store [bbc.com]
Albert Einstein - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former."
(Score: 5, Funny) by Bot on Friday November 29 2019, @09:20PM (6 children)
Other religions might need to fight obsolescence, but Islam is always on the cutting edge.
Account abandoned.
(Score: 3, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 29 2019, @09:57PM (5 children)
Part and parcel of living in khan's London. And also its funnt that this story was prioritized when france and Sweden have been war zones the past few years. Literally over a hundred grenade attacks in the latter. That's why we should follow the Chinese' inspired lead in throwing these savages into camps and selling their organs.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @10:17PM (1 child)
Hey shit head, made it through another holiday without being deported?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:48PM
Eth_fueled: Not just an illegal immigrant, and illegal human!
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @06:21AM (2 children)
According to Wikipedia, 116 detonations from 2011 to 2018 inclusive, with nearly half of those in 2016. Apparently gang violence. This is the first I've heard of it. Thank you for bringing it to my attention.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:56PM (1 child)
evidently you don't visit infowars...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @12:01PM
It has useful links like https://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/raise-your-head-former-yazidi-sex-slave-confronts-islamic-state-rapist/news-story/72beacc24ccb7a28c6f7eba24f3cbb1f [news.com.au]
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:45PM (7 children)
• Released a year ago after being convicted of an Islamist related terror offence
• wearing an electronic tag after release
• guest at Cambridge university conference on prisoner rehabilitation (?!)
Political correctness causes foolish decisions and denial. They knew he was a Muslim, and they set him free anyway. The results are unsurprising.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @02:03AM (2 children)
But in the end they did the right thing and shot him in the back twice.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:25AM (1 child)
At least it wasn't suicide where he shot himself in the back, twice. British justice, ya gotta love it.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @11:15AM
Is there any suggestion this terrorist had dirt on the Clintons? Did he frequent Epstein island?
(Score: 2, Disagree) by janrinok on Saturday November 30 2019, @12:48PM (2 children)
It might surprise you, but that is not a crime in most of the world in which we live. Even more 'shocking' - there are Christians, Buddhists, Sikhs, and followers of FSM all over the world that a free to roam as they please.
People of every religion, and even those with no religious beliefs whatsoever, have committed crimes at some time or other. We do not blame everyone else for the crimes of the individual. But now I expect that group who believe 'that all Muslims want to kill us' to appear and start spouting the usual rubbish.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @08:59PM (1 child)
I don't think all Muslims want to kill us but White/Aryan countries have nothing to gain from letting non-whites and especially Muslims live in what is left of our countries. They can stay in their desert where they belong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @11:17AM
This is absolutely true. There must be at least one muslim on the planet who doesn't want to kill or subjugate everyone. Maybe they are a part of the 'islam' religion that existed before the current type of muslim threw all of the gods out of the template leaving only 'the highest'. Who knows?
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday December 02 2019, @10:32AM
Wrong. In fact, almost diametrically opposite to the truth. I guess that's what you get when you treat Rupert Murdoch publications as "news".
The ex-offender attending the prisoner rehab thing was actually one of the guys who helped bring down the attacker: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/01/ex-offender-marc-conway-helped-tackle-london-bridge-attacker [theguardian.com]
Yes, that's right, a convicted murder risked his life to save innocent members of the public. But you just carry dismissing rehabilitation as foolish political correctness, you pillock.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:31PM (13 children)
Took your sweet time, eh.
Anyways, "terrorist" label is well past the sell-by date now. What does it matter if you label it "terrorist" or "clown", a murder is a murder, an assault an assault, a rape a rape.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:37PM (1 child)
Ignorance is strength.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:52PM
Free Speech is Slavery.
(Score: 2) by Coward, Anonymous on Friday November 29 2019, @07:53PM (2 children)
It matters because sometimes terrorists act in groups and kill thousands. And if nuclear, biological, or chemical weapons are used in the US, chances are high that terrorists will be the ones who set them loose.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @04:43AM
I agree. The most important reason is one of strategy. Unlike regular violent crime, the only way to fight dark-skinned terrorist superpredators is mass surveillance and active policing techniques like stop and frisk. Just think of how many terrorist incidents were prevented in post-9/11 New York by Michael Bloomberg, who understood that sometimes we must make sacrifices to ensure our safety.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @11:48AM
That was Terrorist v1.0, old school. This guy is an example of Terrorist v2.0, the decentralised terrorist, one who may follow a centralised 'group' philosophy but doesn't necessarily act 'in concert' with any other follower(s) of the 'group' philosophy.
One Terrorist v2.0 nutter acting on his own, armed only with one or several sharp knives, running amok in a crowded city like London is capable of causing as much panic and 'terror' for 'the cause' as any bomber, the fact that *anyone* could be carrying a couple of knives and is just waiting for his personal hotline to his particular magic sky fairy to say 'do it' increases the general levels of paranoia in the populace.
Terrorism isn't only just about the body count.
(Score: 2) by Hartree on Friday November 29 2019, @07:54PM
It's a bit like calling something "brigandry" or "hooliganism".
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday November 29 2019, @08:50PM (1 child)
> What does it matter if you label it "terrorist" or "clown"
I believe if it can be shown to be "terrorist" (whatever that means), it can be treated differently in law. IIRC Tony Blair brought in legislation to illegalise "glorification of terrorism" (whatever that means). I can't remember the exact wording in the legislation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:32PM
Encouragement of terrorism [independent.co.uk] is the 1st offense in the terrorism act 2006.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @09:30PM (3 children)
We need a new tag instead of "terrorism". I propose "crimes committed by jihadi Muslims" although that may be tautological.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @09:36PM (2 children)
All jihadi Muslims are terrorists. Not all Muslims terrorists are jihadis.
(Score: 2) by zeigerpuppy on Saturday November 30 2019, @02:08AM
Are they? Try watching Rambo3 for a counterpoint.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 02 2019, @11:26AM
They keep saying that a jihadi is:
"Jihad definition is - a holy war waged on behalf of Islam as a religious duty; also : a personal struggle in devotion to Islam especially involving spiritual discipline."
I guess this guy was just having a personal struggle.
Maybe he was engaged in 'holy war'? But why would members of such a peaceful religion do this?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @01:23AM
moderated my comment "troll".
Dang, fucking moron.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:53PM (2 children)
We made knives illegal this couldn't have happened must be a false flag
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @08:28PM
You mean you forgot to ban false flags, the ones with a pointy flagpole? Next time you'll be telling me umbrellas are not banned either. Savages.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @07:29PM
If you want a laugh, have a look at this [www.gov.uk] (and, amusingly, factually incorrect in the interpretation of the relevant law when it comes to swords...), then have a look at this [youtube.com], you'll see someone who tackled this London bridge fucker running towards the camera holding one of the knives they managed to wrest from him, looks like a very normal large kitchen knife to me. The previous London bridge attack, here's that attacker's knife [thestar.com], again a particularly cheap and nasty example of a kitchen knife.
Like most laws driven by knee-jerk responses, the ones on knives in the UK are fucking useless, and as we all know, criminals scrupulously obey the law... Most of the knife crime in the UK is carried out using domestic knives, cheap, nasty and very disposable (having worked at a place where the little Neds 'carried' on a regular basis, steak knives were popular) , of course, some of our wonderfully diverse populace do favour the use of their cultural weapons..as seen here [metro.co.uk], a total ban on knives, after the obvious preceding month of blue moons and the outbreak of porcine aviation, would just mean the stabby little cunts would fall back on other, more traditional weapons, such as the good old half brick in the heavy carrier bag..I, for one, look forward to the subsequent ban on bricks..then they'll obviously switch to a couple of cans of beans/soup/chickpeas in the carrier bag, all the better to stove someones head in..and plausible deniability to boot..
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @07:55PM (6 children)
The sharpest weapon anybody should be allowed to possess is a mobile phone, and all fights should take place on social media where everyone will be given a social credit score, and undesirable trolls will be deplatformed straight to prison.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @08:05PM
Are you still waiting on your visa [china-embassy.org]?
Have fun. And once you get out of prison (minus a kidney), let us know how that worked out for you.
Good times!
(Score: 2) by Geezer on Friday November 29 2019, @09:20PM (4 children)
I can see difficulty in carving a standing rib roast with a phone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @09:45PM (3 children)
You're holding it wrong.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @09:52PM (2 children)
Never try to cut a rib roast with an Apple. A job like that requires a Razr.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @10:32PM (1 child)
All those retail outlet employees who have been losing their jobs as everything moves online, and all those food service employees can now be retrained as professional food cutters for all your home food prep needs. By making knives illegal you open up a whole new untapped industry, restrict people from doing yet another thing for themselves, and monetize it in a way they cannot get out of! It sounds like a win, win, win for everyone without their thinking cap on!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @04:51AM
Reminds me of The Tripods series [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @09:39PM (1 child)
I keel you!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 29 2019, @11:35PM
Nope! [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 30 2019, @03:36AM
We need to get Captain Kirk on this pronto.