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posted by martyb on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the let-it-snow-let-it-snow-let-it-snow dept.

Only 6 years after the weathermen needed a new color for just one spot of extreme temperatures on the map, this is how it looks when that color needs to be used for over 30% of the Australia's area. And that for 3 days in a row, starting today, Dec 18 2019 (like, meh, just a balmy 40C in Melbourne at 18:30, she'll be apples).

[40C is 104F and 50C is 122F --ed.]

Coverage:
BBC - Australia heatwave: Nation endures hottest day on record

Guardian Australia heatwave: records forecast to be broken as temperatures surge past 40C

Severe-weather.eu An extreme heatwave is about to swipe across Australia, raising maximum temperatures up to near 50°C (122°F) in S/SE parts of the continent, breaking many all-time records!

AFP Australia has its hottest day on record, more to come


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:24PM (3 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:24PM (#933767) Journal

    Bake all the spiders, snakes, roos, cane toads, etc. and let the air conditioned primates inherit the continent.

    We might have to push that temperature up to a balmy 80°C first.
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    • (Score: 2) by Mykl on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:29PM (1 child)

      by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:29PM (#933917)

      That will just kill off the weakest, leaving the strongest ones behind.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 20 2019, @09:13PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 20 2019, @09:13PM (#934810)

        And now they are angry, too.

    • (Score: 2) by arslan on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:43PM

      by arslan (3462) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:43PM (#933932)

      Today is the day when bears will drop - anyone walking around gum trees be aware!

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:48PM (40 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:48PM (#933778)

    We must raise tax!

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:54PM (26 children)

      by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @04:54PM (#933780) Homepage Journal

      Bzzzt wrong! Deregulation! You see, the climate is feeling stifled by all those short-sighted, selfish environmental regulations. We all know when someone says it's stifling, they mean they're too hot. Logically therefore, getting rid of all the regulations will surely make it cooler! Now sack all those waste-of-space scientists immediately!

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      • (Score: 1) by soylentnewsinator on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:39PM (25 children)

        by soylentnewsinator (7102) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:39PM (#933800)

        I'm glad to finally see some support behind nuclear here. Though, I'm a big fan of the newer thorium reactors.

        • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:09PM (19 children)

          by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:09PM (#933815) Homepage Journal

          I've not seen a decent very long term strategy for dealing with the waste, even if there's less with thorium. What happens when someone digs it up in 500 years in a civilization where Geiger counters no longer exist? Fusion on the other hand would be a different story.

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          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by PiMuNu on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:15PM

            by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:15PM (#933819)

            > what happens when someone digs it up in 500 years in a civilization where Geiger counters no longer exist?

            They might get cancer a bit early, but when Geiger counters no longer exist they are more likely to die of childbirth, plague, war, starvation, or indeed lung disease from mining 1 km underground.

            Meanwhile what is the impact *now* from global warming.

            > Fusion on the other hand would be a different story.

            Alas, global warming is happening *now*. Fusion is in "50 years".

            Stop mucking about and prevaricating. There is a solution that works *now*. Do it.

          • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:34PM (15 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:34PM (#933823)

            There is no such thing as nuclear waste, if it is radioactive it can be used as fuel.

            • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:46PM (3 children)

              by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:46PM (#933838) Homepage Journal

              Can be but can we trust those motivated by profit to do so and to properly contain it in the mean time?

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              • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:47PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:47PM (#933892)

                No, you can't trust anyone. Ever. Their motivation makes no difference. I know plenty of people motivated to help the sick who are only feeding them poisons.

                • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:59PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:59PM (#933991)

                  How is that interesting? Is SN 90% trolls now?

                  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:02AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:02AM (#933994)

                    No, you just don't have common sense.

            • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:31PM (10 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:31PM (#933919) Journal
              Not if it's too dilute. For example, some metals can become radioactive through exposure to neutron radiation from a reactor. The smart solution is to never let those metals get near a reactor. But people are dumb and mistakes happen (say like hypothetically leaving a wrench next to a active reactor). So what do you do with the radioactive metal now? It's not worth trying to extract the minute amount of radiative material out. The answer is that it's radioactive waste and gets buried somewhere.
              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:44PM (9 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:44PM (#933957)

                If it is energetic enough to harm someone it is energetic enough to extract energy from. What you really mean is there are easier things to extract energy from instead.

                • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:05PM (5 children)

                  by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:05PM (#933967) Journal

                  If it is energetic enough to harm someone it is energetic enough to extract energy from.

                  Would you like some micrograms of Polonium in your tea? I hear it's smashing.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:47PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:47PM (#933982)

                    I'm sure you can use micrograms of polonium to heat up some stuff if it is that dangerous.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:07AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:07AM (#933997)

                    The energy released by its decay is so large (140 watts/g) that a capsule containing about half a gram reaches a temperature above 500oC.

                    https://web.archive.org/web/20120310145431/http://www.ead.anl.gov/pub/doc/polonium.pdf [archive.org]

                    So 140 uW per ug. You can use 1 microgram to power about 140 watches:

                    1×10−6 = tech: approximate consumption of a quartz or mechanical wristwatch

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude_(power) [wikipedia.org]

                    • (Score: 1) by anubi on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:39AM (2 children)

                      by anubi (2828) on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:39AM (#934046) Journal

                      Until the Carnot tax.

                      By the time you pay off all the energy to get the remaining energy in the form you want it, usually in the form of electricity or shaft work, you find there isn't much, if any, left.

                      Kinda like a Cheetah expending 100 calories to catch rodents having 80 calories in them. No matter how many rodents the big cat catches, it's gonna starve.

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                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @02:33AM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @02:33AM (#934067)

                        This is morel like harvesting 100 calories in per microgram of mouse.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:29PM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:29PM (#934173) Journal
                          So it's like 125 calories of work to harvest that 100 calories of microgram mouse?
                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:16PM (2 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:16PM (#933970) Journal

                  If it is energetic enough to harm someone it is energetic enough to extract energy from.

                  No, doesn't work that way. The biological thresholds can be a lot lower than the threshold for viable energy extraction.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:45PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:45PM (#933980)

                    You keep using that weasel word "viable". The energy is there to be extracted, it is just that there are easier ways.

                    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:20PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:20PM (#934170) Journal
                      And you keep being an idiot. How do you extract energy from a slightly radioactive wrench or some protective suit covered with dust? Let us note actual nuclear reactors typically work on temperature gradients of a few hundred degrees and achieve thermodynamic efficiencies in the 30-40% range. Meanwhile your wench might be a fraction of a degree warmer than it's surroundings. That 4 orders of magnitude different in temperature is not the energy per mass that can be extracted, it's the efficiency. So a typical heat extraction approach to removing energy is going to be four orders of magnitude less efficient.

                      We can increase the efficiency somewhat by dumping all the radioactive stuff into some sort of insulated warehouse and let it warm up a bunch, but you'll never get more energy out of that than the massive investment of energy and time you put in.
          • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:58PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:58PM (#933875)

            I've not seen a decent very long term strategy for dealing with the waste, even if there's less with thorium. What happens when someone digs it up in 500 years in a civilization where Geiger counters no longer exist?

            Roughly, the half-life of a material is an inverse approximation of how radioactive it is --> the longer the half-life, the less radioactive (and therefore, less dangerous to handle).

            Stuff with very short half life can be very dangerous but irrelevant long term as it will all be gone. Iodine-131 falls into this category.

            Stuff with very long half life will stick around for the long game but also isn't very radioactive so not a big worry.

            The worrisome bits are reaction products that fall somewhere the middle, very typical nuclear waste products in this category are Strontium-90 and Caesium-137, both with a half life of about 30 years.

            We can estimate the scenario you describe based on past incidents. Caesium-137 was the material involved in the a href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goi%C3%A2nia_accident'>Goiânia accident when a scavenger found a 93g sample, did not know what it was or the dangers it posed, and 4 people died from exposure to high energy gamma rays.

            So with a half life of 30 years, after 500 years this will have decayed by half a little less than 17 times. So if we bury 10 tonnes of Caesium-137 and 500 years later someone digs it up, about 100g will remain and we have roughly the same amount of material that lead to the Goiânia accident. However, a key difference is that remaining caesium-137 will not be very pure, mixed with ~10 tonnes of other crap and I suspect it will be less fascinating to the people who find it.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:02PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:02PM (#934183)

              you're going to need quiet a few nuke reactors to make enough electricity to smelt enough iron and possibly lead to to build that ginormous dig-dug that can handle 10 tons of radioactif caesium ^_^

              but i guess it's ok to concentrate more power in fewer hands ... sunburn is for losers.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by HiThere on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:16PM

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:16PM (#933862) Journal

          You're a big fan of something that hasn't been built yet, where all you've seen is salesman's promises.

          I'm moderately optimistic about the molten salt Thorium reactors, especially if it turns out to be true that they can consume the waste from current plants as part of their fuel. But ... that's salesman's promises. I want to see what actually shows up before I get too optimistic.

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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:11PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:11PM (#933881)

          I'm a big fan of the newer thorium reactors.

          Ignorance does that.

          Reality is that thorium is same as uranium. If you are not a fan of uranium, you cannot be a fan of thorium, by definition. If you think they are different, you don't know physics.

          PS. I'm fan of nuclear energy because it's simply better alternative than continued usage of fossil fuels. That's all. But snake oil about "magic thorium" is just that. Snake oil

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:22AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:22AM (#934006)

            It was my understanding that with thorium unlike uranium you could have pebble bed reactors, which by design aren't susceptible to runaway meltdowns. Is this understanding wrong?

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by dry on Thursday December 19 2019, @04:08AM

              by dry (223) on Thursday December 19 2019, @04:08AM (#934094) Journal

              Yes, you can make pebble bed reactors with most types of nuclear fuel. You're right that they don't melt down as they burn first if things go really wrong. As usual the claim is that industry would never take shortcuts so they're safe.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:49AM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:49AM (#934054) Homepage
            Do the physicists at ORNL who prototyped thorium salt reactors in their faculties many decades ago also not know physics? That Weinberg, what a faker, eh! And what about the so-called scientists at Shanghai Institute of Applied Physics?
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    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:40PM (12 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:40PM (#933829) Journal

      We must raise tax!

      How do you propose we pay for all the extra firefighters?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:11PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:11PM (#933857)

        How do you propose we pay for all the extra firefighters?

        In a socialist society, people will work for free.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:54PM (3 children)

          by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:54PM (#933894)

          In a Libertarian paradise the market will solve the firefighting problem.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:09PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:09PM (#933905)

            Let everything burn tbh

            • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:41PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:41PM (#933956)

              Start with the libretardians, we'll look again if we need continue after that.

          • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:02AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:02AM (#933993)

            Nah, in their mind the current system is fine. 85% of all fire fighters are actually volunteers. Basically people with money just say "fuck you!" and so society relies on some decent folk to work extra to cover the gap.

            The US is broken, has been for a long time, but being the economic powerhouse let the broken jaloppie keep sputtering along.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by barbara hudson on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:54PM

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:54PM (#933988) Journal
          Right now it's mostly volunteer firefighters, and they're already stretched to the limit, and summer hasn't even started.

          People can't work 12-hour days for free for 5-6 months a year. Large parts of Australia are going to have to be abandoned not just because of fire but lack of water. Wells are either dry or contaminated with salt. Many homes are just cinderblock with swamp coolers, and they don't work well when it's 45 and up (some streets measured 61-68 in the sun - 141 to 158 F).

          When nighttime doesn't provide relief, it's not really doable. Aboriginals are worried about having to leave permanently.

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      • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:02PM (5 children)

        by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:02PM (#933941)

        How do you propose we pay for all the extra firefighters?

        Don't know - how do we pay for more volunteers? [wikipedia.org]

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        • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:45PM (1 child)

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:45PM (#933958)

          Don't know - how do we pay for more volunteers?

          Generally, in the US at least, the equipment and training is paid for in a large part with federal and/or state grants and/or local property taxes.

          • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:36AM

            by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:36AM (#934017)

            Generally, in the US at least, the equipment and training is paid for in a large part with federal and/or state grants and/or local property taxes.

            Oveer here as well. Which is why we aren't allergic to paying taxes - we can see the benefits.

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        • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:56PM (2 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:56PM (#933989) Journal
          People can't be expected to volunteer 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, for a fire season that now runs from spring to fall.
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          • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:38AM (1 child)

            by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:38AM (#934019)

            People can't be expected to volunteer 7 days a week, 12 hours a day, for a fire season that now runs from spring to fall.

            No, it isn't a reasonable expectation. And yet they do.

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            • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:52AM

              by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:52AM (#934057) Journal

              They only do until they hit the wall. Exhaustion makes them worse than useless. They make mistakes, slow down others, and ultimately have to be cared for by others.

              Given that many Australians were criminals "transported" to Australia against their will, maybe they can demand the right to return to the UK. It's only 25 million people.

              We can call the program of resettlement "Back From The Outback!"

              But all joking aside, this is the shape of things to come for about 2 billion to 4 billion people.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:51PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @05:51PM (#933804)

    That's just barely warm here in SoCal. When it gets over 115F in the shade I take off my sweater and wear shorts.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:54PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @06:54PM (#933844)

      Forecast average for the continent.

    • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:18PM

      by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:18PM (#933864) Journal

      So you live in the Mojave? Death Valley? Not in Santa Barbara.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:12PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:12PM (#933858)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:38PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @07:38PM (#933870)

      A G.I for his cutie-pie is Not

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by SomeGuy on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:21PM (1 child)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @08:21PM (#933883)

    Knew it. That new G5 is microwaving the place.

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Mykl on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:40PM (18 children)

    by Mykl (1112) on Wednesday December 18 2019, @09:40PM (#933927)

    It's worth noting that this has happened in December - i.e. early Summer in the Southern Hemisphere. Australia is typically hotter in late Summer (particularly February). In other words, this record breaking heat day has occurred in a month that is not normally the hottest month.

    • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:38PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 18 2019, @10:38PM (#933954)
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:37AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:37AM (#934107)

        No one appriciates a good joke anymore, today this would be considered racist towards rand-mcnallians.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @09:33PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 19 2019, @09:33PM (#934374)

          No one appriciates a good joke anymore, today this would be considered racist towards rand-mcnallians.

          Huh?

          There is only one sentient race on this planet, Homo Sapiens. I guess the bigot is you.

          I suppose you thought your quip was humorous. It's not. And I'm *really* easily amused.

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:02PM (14 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 18 2019, @11:02PM (#933965) Journal

      Maybe the drought will break in Feb - millennium drought broke about that time of the year.
      Lemme see [bom.gov.au]
      Nope, for the time being, ENSO is in neutral.

      The ENSO Outlook is currently INACTIVE. This means there is little sign of El Niño or La Niña developing in the coming months.

      Oh, well, for my sleep quality I'd better look to replace the evaporative cooling with a compressor driven one. The outlook [bom.gov.au] reads like

      Remainder of December very likely to be drier than average for many areas, with January 2020 likely to be drier for parts of eastern Australia.
              January to March 2020 daytime temperatures likely to be above average across Australia.
              January to March 2020 nights very likely to be warmer than average for Australia, except parts of Tasmania.
              Climate influences—the positive Indian Ocean Dipole (IOD) is weakening and will likely end in January, while the negative Southern Annular Mode (SAM) is likely to persist into early January.

      Yeap, we're properly fucked.

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      • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:24AM (11 children)

        by coolgopher (1157) on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:24AM (#934010)

        I guess we'll all have to do a Smoko and holiday elsewhere...

        • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:40AM (9 children)

          by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:40AM (#934020)

          Let's go north - but we'll miss Christmas, they have theirs in July...

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          • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:11AM (8 children)

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @01:11AM (#934035) Journal

            Let's go north -

            Let's not.

            I invested 4 years of my life to get adjusted to "Christmas is a summer holiday".
            Unlike others, this investment continues to pay up and I have no intention to screw it.
            Even having a badly burnt & grease-smothered snag in a lousy bread slice** at a Bunnings sizzle is far more attractive than "going north".
            (living in Melbourne, I can actually go a bit north, but I see going further than Cape York as a symptom of serious decline in intellectual capabilities)

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            ** don't get me started on the proper placement of onions [theguardian.com], of course it's after sausage. The Aborigines civilization would not have survived that long if they were to put the sausage on top of the onions.

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            • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Thursday December 19 2019, @03:22AM (6 children)

              by coolgopher (1157) on Thursday December 19 2019, @03:22AM (#934081)

              I do miss a proper white xmas. Even though for nearly half my life it's been summer xmas, the childhood view of what a real xmas is prevails. Snowmen, snow lanterns, snowball fights, and Santa after dark with his lantern bringing the pressies. On xmas eve.

              **) Onions should not go on top of the sausage. Nor should they go under it. Or by the side. Any side. Or anywhere else near the sausage. Unless it's raw. We're fine with raw onions [theguardian.com].

              • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 19 2019, @06:56AM (5 children)

                by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @06:56AM (#934117) Journal

                the childhood view of what a real xmas is prevails.

                By the time I got here, I saw too many winters to still keep close the good memories of the childhood.
                Lemme put it this way: I remember too well what I'm not missing!

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                • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Thursday December 19 2019, @07:23AM (4 children)

                  by coolgopher (1157) on Thursday December 19 2019, @07:23AM (#934121)

                  Bah, how are you meant to feel alive if you're not having to spend half an hour in the morning freeing your vehicle from the clutches of the snow and ice that has built up overnight (sometimes with the assistance of a helpful snowplow traveling past and putting a wall behind your vehicle)? I fear I'm getting soft down here...

                  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 19 2019, @08:11AM (3 children)

                    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @08:11AM (#934128) Journal

                    Bah, how are you meant to feel alive if you're not having to spend half an hour in the morning freeing your vehicle from the clutches of the snow and ice that has built up overnight

                    European, remember? It means public transport is placed conveniently enough for me to never need a personal car.
                    (maybe my subconscious told me I'm not alive enough and I should emigrate?)

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                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
                    • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Friday December 20 2019, @02:39AM (2 children)

                      by coolgopher (1157) on Friday December 20 2019, @02:39AM (#934487)

                      These city folk... no appreciation for life ;)

                      • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday December 20 2019, @02:46AM (1 child)

                        by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday December 20 2019, @02:46AM (#934490) Journal

                        Heh, when I visited my parents the first time after emmigating, I made the mistake to rent a car.
                        The most frustrating experience ever, even outside the city: you can drive over 50-60kph for distances of 2-3 km; that is, until you hit the next village and need to cut back the speed.

                        Good to live in a country where there are so many place that can qualify for the middle of nowhere.

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                        • (Score: 2) by coolgopher on Friday December 20 2019, @03:13AM

                          by coolgopher (1157) on Friday December 20 2019, @03:13AM (#934506)

                          Heh, yeah the sense of scale when you're living down here is rather different from what you get in Europe.

            • (Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:24AM

              by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:24AM (#934103)

              ...Even having a badly burnt & grease-smothered snag in a lousy bread slice** at a Bunnings sizzle is far more attractive than "going north"...

              My daughter lives in the US. Every time she comes home she insists on going to Bunnings for lunch on her first weekend...

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        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:54AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @12:54AM (#934027) Journal

          I guess we'll all have to do a Smoko and holiday elsewhere...

          Why?
          (I mean... look, I like "properly fucked", doesn't happen often enough at my age) (large grin)

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 1) by evilcam on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:01AM (1 child)

        by evilcam (3239) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @05:01AM (#934098)

        Yeah but how good is the cricket!?!
        - Scomo, probably

        I wonder in 20 years how history will remember the LNP when it comes to their inaction on climate change? Sadly, I don't think any of them (or their voters) care.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday December 19 2019, @06:46AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 19 2019, @06:46AM (#934116) Journal

          There's a number of things I couldn't get the taste of, even I have tried to.
          One of them is cricket and a really tried to get into it.
          The other one is LNP - Howard was... meh, but good enough while it lasted (got only his last 4 years). I find it now repulsive enough to not even cross my mind getting into it.

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
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