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posted by takyon on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:17AM   Printer-friendly
from the september-surprise dept.

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Champion Of Gender Equality, Dies At 87

Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, the demure firebrand who in her 80s became a legal, cultural and feminist icon, died Friday. The Supreme Court announced her death, saying the cause was complications from metastatic cancer of the pancreas.

The court, in a statement, said Ginsburg died at her home in Washington surrounded by family. She was 87.

"Our nation has lost a justice of historic stature," Chief Justice John Roberts said. "We at the Supreme Court have lost a cherished colleague. Today we mourn but with confidence that future generations will remember Ruth Bader Ginsburg as we knew her, a tired and resolute champion of justice."

Architect of the legal fight for women's rights in the 1970s, Ginsburg subsequently served 27 years on the nation's highest court, becoming its most prominent member. Her death will inevitably set in motion what promises to be a nasty and tumultuous political battle over who will succeed her, and it thrusts the Supreme Court vacancy into the spotlight of the presidential campaign.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:19AM (101 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:19AM (#1053122) Journal

    Can anything be done?

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    • (Score: 1) by nnet on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:28AM (1 child)

      by nnet (5716) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:28AM (#1053128)

      Only if you can convince enough GOP senators to reject candidates.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Immerman on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:20PM

        by Immerman (3985) on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:20PM (#1053518)

        Surely the Republicans would do so - after all they so strongly believe that the voice of the people should be heard that they refused to consider Obama's nominees for like a year until the next election. Holding off for a month is nothing compared to that.

        Unless - you don't think the Republicans are actually just lying snakes out to score political victories at any cost do you?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:33AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:33AM (#1053131)

      Das drumpfenfuhrer could die before he nominates someone...

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:36AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:36AM (#1053133)

        In Pence we trust, eh?

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:38AM (9 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:38AM (#1053135) Homepage Journal

      I sure hope not! We need one more conservative judge in the court.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:44AM (6 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:44AM (#1053139) Journal

        What you will get is a wacko QAnon judge.

        Oh well, one more job for the cleanup crew after this is all over.

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        • (Score: 5, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:49AM (2 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:49AM (#1053147) Homepage Journal

          OK then, tell us which of these is the Qanon nominee.
          https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/additions-president-donald-j-trumps-supreme-court-list/ [whitehouse.gov]

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          • (Score: 1, Disagree) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:07AM (1 child)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:07AM (#1053166) Journal

            On that list?

            Could be all of them, there's no telling with this guy

            And these additions to his list. Kushner will probably get the job.

            The republican party has become the QAnon party, for entertainment purposes only, of course. It's not hurting the ticket, so you can rest easy

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            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:24AM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:24AM (#1053786) Journal
              Things are so uncertain when you don't have a clue.
        • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:27AM (2 children)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:27AM (#1053817)

          A Qanon judge would be a good thing. The Supreme Court is supposed to reflect the people, ultimately, and Qanon is the new American religion, so a Qanon-following judge would be apt in this democratic form of government.

          Remember, every nation eventually gets the government it deserves.

          • (Score: 2) by ChrisMaple on Monday September 21 2020, @03:02AM (1 child)

            by ChrisMaple (6964) on Monday September 21 2020, @03:02AM (#1054203)

            The Supreme Court is supposed to reflect the people

            Nonsense

            The Supreme Court is supposed to accurately judge the meaning and application of law, and perform a few other Constitutional duties. Their physical characteristics are completely irrelevant to their proper job, and choosing them by their physical characteristics or group membership is a perversion.

            • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday September 21 2020, @09:05PM

              by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday September 21 2020, @09:05PM (#1054624)

              Nonsense.

              All throughout the Court's centuries-long history, decisions have been rendered which have differed greatly by the political persuasion of the Justices, as well as the times they lived in. Law isn't computer code; it isn't perfectly logical, no matter how much humans try to make it so. There's also a difference between the "letter" and the "spirit" of the law, and how to interpret that difference and rule between them has differed greatly between judges throughout the country's history.

              Just as the Justices' opinions and views have changed over the decades and centuries, so have the People's, and the Justices' views are supposed to change with them (slowly, which is why a long feedback loop was inserted in the mechanism by which the Justices are selected).

              Anyway, who said anything about physical characteristics? Sounds like you have some kind of axe to grind.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:28AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:28AM (#1053323)

        One more law-disregarding Conservative traitor judge? Runaway, if this happens, murdering you will be legal. The edict will come down, and all your guns will be forfeit under the second Trump term. You will be shot. Why? Bill Barr will make it so, because we all know that while you pretend, you are not actually a Christian, and definitely not a Republican. If you are not with them, you will be terminated. Good bye, Runaway1911, your pistol will avail you not, when you reap the whirlwind you have sown.

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:13PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:13PM (#1053546) Homepage Journal

          You sound just like Beto O'Cork, the fake Mexican.

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by edIII on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:48AM (53 children)

      by edIII (791) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:48AM (#1053143)

      Well........ Mitch McFuckFace made a huge fucking deal about a lame duck president nominating anyone for the Supreme Court. That was with a lot more time left in Obama's term.

      So using their own logic, the right to place the next person on the Supreme Court rests with the voters, and ultimately the next president.

      That's if they're willing to be fair, and let what's good for the goose be good for the gander.

      Considering Republicans Trumpicans have been doing every dirty trick in the book to suppress undesirable voting, gerrymander districts, etc. I doubt anything can be done. Get ready to have Christianity, Authoritarianism, and Facism shoved down your throat. It's going to be an age of anti-abortion pro-corporate decisions, that also do whatever is necessary to give more powers to the office of the president, and suppress protests with whatever brutal methods are available.

      Overall, this is just the corpse of America passing a little gas :) Normal part of the decay process.

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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:00AM (11 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:00AM (#1053159) Homepage Journal

        So using their own logic,

        Logic? In politics? Never, it's all about power. Obama didn't have the power to force the issue. I think Trump has enough power to force it through. We will know for sure in just a very few days - probably within the week. I expect the new judge to be seated before Trump is sworn in again.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:36AM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:36AM (#1053187)

          The Republican party is smart enough to know that doing so will cost them the Senate. Gardner, Collins, Tillis, McSally, and a couple others are on the fence as it is. Running negative ads so close to the election of their own words against them might just be enough to finish them off.

          They also know that no matter who is nominated, they will be pro-corporate and they also know it is not in their long-term interest to overturn Row v. Wade. The best choice, by far, for the Republican party is to keep the status quo going while making plenty of noise.

          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:39AM (6 children)

            by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:39AM (#1053193) Journal

            I don't trust the current GOP to be even selfishly rational any longer though. They're basically the Taliban, except too fat and lazy and low-testosterone to grow facial hair.

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            • (Score: 4, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:49AM (2 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:49AM (#1053203) Homepage Journal

              The rhetoric is strong in this one . . .

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              • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:38AM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:38AM (#1053228)

                The ignorance is overwhelming with this one . . .

                • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:33AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:33AM (#1053329)

                  No, with Runaway, the ignorance is this one. Runaway is so stupid, that they rejected him in the casting call for Dumb and Dumber! When they tried an IQ test on him, it was a negative number! Once, when the thought they had found the stupidest person in the world, they then found Runaway, and realized their entire metric was insufficient by orders of magnitude! And when the Russian "Happy Bear" hacker farm found him, they could not believe their luck. Who knew Americans could be so stupid! Carry on, Comrade Runaway! Even if you do not understand why we say this, the Motherland thanks you.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:50AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:50AM (#1053282)

              And the Democrooks are any better?

              Do you vote third party?

            • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:19AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:19AM (#1053358)

              I also like to read opinions of masculinity from lesbians.

            • (Score: 2) by Immerman on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:53AM

              by Immerman (3985) on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:53AM (#1053798)

              I don't trust the Republican voting base to care about hypocrisy - given the rampant numbers of mistresses, abortions, gay prostitues, etc. constantly coming to light without consequence for "the party of family values", brushing off hypocrisy is practically an entrance exam to run on their ticket.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:33PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:33PM (#1053523)

            Rushing the nomination will signal that the Republican Party considers Trump not a lame duck but a dead duck president.

        • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:14AM (1 child)

          by Gaaark (41) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:14AM (#1053244) Journal

          " I expect the new judge to be seated before Trump is sworn in again."

          So.....never?

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          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:28AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @08:28AM (#1053360)

            I think your love for clever comebacks trumped logic on this one.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:02AM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:02AM (#1053162)

        The reasoning was that with Obama, the Senate was GOP, so it would just be shitshow with no confirmation. The situation now is that the President and Senate are of the same party.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:33AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:33AM (#1053184)

          It'll be a shit show with Moscow's Bitch.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:09AM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:09AM (#1053242)

          That's moving the goalposts. McConnell's justification for not proceeding on Merrick Garland's nomination was that the 2016 election should essentially be a referendum on the Supreme Court appointment. Should the Senate refuse to confirm any nominees until the President and the Senate majority are of the same party? That seems to be an absurd conclusion.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @09:49AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @09:49AM (#1053383)

            Yeah, if that was the real reason, you think they would have said so at the time instead of coming up with it later once they realized how unprincipled that would make them look. But we all know politics is really just throwing shit at the wall and seeing what sticks while funnelling taxpayer dollars to your donors.

            Interesting note about their old rule though, people are already casting ballots in the 2020 general election right now. If being too close to the presidential election is the cutoff, having actual votes that have been cast makes a pretty good line. The lame duck session has already begun, in a Schrödinger sort of way.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:43PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:43PM (#1053612)

            Just like the 2 week lock downs to "flatten the curve" were moving the goalposts? Oops, you lose.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:36AM (23 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:36AM (#1053188)

        As a fun test, I like to subjugate folks who advocate for something to their own request. For example, if you think murderers should go to jail, what would you say if you murdered? Would you say it was fair to go to jail?

        Now apply that to folks who advocate for abortion. If you were aborted, would you think that was fair?

        If you're having a hard time answering that, maybe you should have the process applied to yourself and then post back here what you think.

        Until then, SHUT UP, you wretched scum of a human being. How dare you advocate for murder of children.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:43AM (#1053198)

          If I were aborted I wouldn't think at all. You fascists just want more canon fodder.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:26AM (13 children)

          by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:26AM (#1053222) Journal

          If I were aborted, I certainly wouldn't be around to care.

          So I have no problem with abortion, even if it were applied to me before I was born, because it would be physically impossible for me to give a shit.

          Neither would anyone else who is pro-choice. Because we can't time travel or crawl back into the womb.

          Of course only a troll hiding behind anonymously would pose such an illogical question. Then again, the right isn't noted for logic.

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          • (Score: 2) by Username on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:25AM (12 children)

            by Username (4557) on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:25AM (#1053392)

            What if you survived the abortion with only half your limbs?

            • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:58PM (11 children)

              by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:58PM (#1053433) Journal
              Don't be silly. It doesn't work that way.
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              • (Score: 3, Touché) by Username on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:32PM (10 children)

                by Username (4557) on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:32PM (#1053644)
                • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:45PM (6 children)

                  by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:45PM (#1053651) Journal
                  We're better as abortions than someone stuck in Siberia a quarter century ago. So again , it doesn't work that way.
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                  • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:37AM (5 children)

                    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:37AM (#1053751) Journal

                    Ever notice how the most staunchly anti-abortion types are the best arguments for legal abortion? Kind of makes you think...

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                    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday September 20 2020, @01:14AM (1 child)

                      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Sunday September 20 2020, @01:14AM (#1053767) Journal
                      Yep. And since this site is too misogynistic and LGBTQ-hating, I'm gone. See my journal.
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                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 22 2020, @01:35AM

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 22 2020, @01:35AM (#1054736) Journal

                        Crap. You're one of the few people I like talking to here and you've taught me a lot about transwomen. Do you have a discord or irc channel you like to hang out on? Can email me if so.

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                    • (Score: 1, Troll) by Reziac on Monday September 21 2020, @03:23PM (2 children)

                      by Reziac (2489) on Monday September 21 2020, @03:23PM (#1054455) Homepage

                      Ever notice how the most staunchly pro-abortion types are the best arguments for legal abortion? Kind of makes you think...

                      • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 22 2020, @01:34AM (1 child)

                        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday September 22 2020, @01:34AM (#1054735) Journal

                        Except no, we're not. I've spent plenty of time around both pro-choicers and anti-choicers, and can see clear moral differences (hint: "pro-life" ain't).

                        Why do you think that works, what you just tried there? Only someone completely amoral (and dumber than a chocolate teapot...) would seriously think that had any stopping power.

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                        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday September 22 2020, @02:47AM

                          by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday September 22 2020, @02:47AM (#1054763) Homepage

                          Mirror, mirror....

                • (Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Sunday September 20 2020, @10:51PM (2 children)

                  by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Sunday September 20 2020, @10:51PM (#1054110) Homepage
                  You're confusing a failed abortion with an abortion.
                  Have you ever seen failed driving? Does that mean you want to ban driving?
                  Have you seen failed construction? Does that mean you want to ban construction?
                  Have you ever seen failed swimming? Does that mean you want to ban swimming?
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                  • (Score: 2) by Username on Tuesday September 22 2020, @12:09AM (1 child)

                    by Username (4557) on Tuesday September 22 2020, @12:09AM (#1054708)

                    Abortion means the termination of a pregnancy. It doesn't mean the fetus dies in the process.

                    • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:43AM

                      by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:43AM (#1054889) Homepage
                      Giving birth terminates a pregnancy. So by your absurd definition, giving birth is an abortion.

                      Even the pro-life movement would be behind me on this one - as they'd not have a problem with abortion if the termination of life wasn't part of the process.
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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Magic Oddball on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:06AM (5 children)

          by Magic Oddball (3847) on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:06AM (#1053254) Journal

          If I was like the 90% of fetuses that are aborted within the first trimester (or the other 3.5% in the next couple of weeks after it), I wouldn't have developed enough of a brain to even be self-aware, let alone have an opinion on the matter. If I was like the approx 2% that are aborted late in term, I'd prefer it over the prospect of spending hours slowly dying of catastrophic defects outside the womb.

          To turn things around:

          1) If you were raped by a close (first-degree) relative, and knew the result was going to derail your career/education long-term (making it extremely difficult at best to earn enough to care for your existing actual children), would you want to have the option of taking a pill to terminate before the fetus can develop sentience beyond that of an invertebrate, or would you want to be forced to carry it to term?

          2) If you were pregnant and discovered mid-term that the fetus had untreatable terminal defects, would you want to be be forced to carry it to term (being reminded every waking minute that your would-be baby is slowly dying inside you) and watch it suffer outside the womb for hours or days before it passed?

          3) If you discovered 3 months into pregnancy that you'd developed a medical situation where remaining pregnant would guarantee your death before the fetus is beyond "extremely premature" (low-moderate chance of survival), would you prefer to have the option of ending the pregnancy, or be forced to die along with the likely-doomed fetus?

          Remember, you have to answer the actual questions, not a weaselly "but what if" scenario.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:32AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:32AM (#1053276)

            A friend's wife had something similar to situation #2 happen to her. She's Catholic and while pregnant with her third child discovered her body was not supporting the baby well at all. If the child were to survive the full term and birth, it would basically have been a vegetable for life.
            Even the best case scenario would have been an existence so terrible that instead of attempting to complete the pregnancy, she chose to have a an abortion and hysterectomy. I do not know how far along she was when they discovered the situation, but I cannot imagine what grief and heartache is must have been to go against all her beliefs and decide that was more desirable than bringing such a child into the world.

            These are the kinds of things that the Supreme Court decides. Anything is possible, and while the court often clarifies rulings instead of overturning them, nothing stops them from saying "it was the wrong decision and here's how things are going to work now." I think this appointment is going to turn into a real shitshow, real fast. Trump already has two appointees on the court and I'm betting they're going to ram this next one through as fast as possible, consequences be damned. The Republicans showed their colors when they circled the wagons around the president for the impeachment. They have no shame.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ChrisMaple on Monday September 21 2020, @03:12AM

              by ChrisMaple (6964) on Monday September 21 2020, @03:12AM (#1054207)

              The impeachment was a sham. Anyone claiming the charges against Trump were valid and worthy of impeachment is dishonest or deluded.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:16PM (1 child)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:16PM (#1053471) Journal

            Well, first, you NEVER let males (other than your practicing physician) decide the matter. You have to exclude them entirely before a rational discussion can be had.

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            • (Score: 2, Troll) by Reziac on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:30AM

              by Reziac (2489) on Sunday September 20 2020, @02:30AM (#1053790) Homepage

              Women love to see other women suffer... so that'll work well....

          • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @11:00PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @11:00PM (#1053703)

            We need to allow post natal abortions, right up to the 72nd trimester (I think the math on that is right) or out of the house, fully emancipated

        • (Score: 2) by srobert on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:53PM (1 child)

          by srobert (4803) on Saturday September 19 2020, @04:53PM (#1053559)

          How dare you advocate for murder of children.

          This epitomizes why this issue can't be discussed intelligently. The pro-lifers make these sorts of comments, while the pro-choicers prattle on with nonsense about depriving women of "control over their bodies".

          The issue really ought to be discussed in terms of precisely at what point in time after conception a human organism should be granted a legal right to live.

          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:07PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:07PM (#1053596)

            and although i'm personally against abortion in most cases, i don't agree that your child is my/societies responsibility, much less your fetus inside your body. I also don't grant the state authority over parents. The parents are not "guardians" allowed some priveleges as long as they do what the state says. The parent has full authority until the kid is an adult. Not that the law would agree in most cases, but that's what the 2nd amendment is for. Killing seditious judges and cops. If a parent abuses their kids, i'm sorry for the kid, but that's on the parents, not me. That being said, i would support justifiable homicide allowances for people who kill child abusers and that sort of thing.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:45AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:45AM (#1053279)

        And the Democrooks are just great citizens?

        It is so sad that the Democrook vs Republocrook cannot be seen for what it is.

        Do you really want Kamala as President?
        If so prepare for it ...

      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Azuma Hazuki 2.0 on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:10AM (1 child)

        by Azuma Hazuki 2.0 (12884) on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:10AM (#1053388) Journal

        Analagous to a dog whistle, which produces a humans can't hear, "dogwhistling" in politics is the use of coded or euphemistic phrases that have a clearly-understood meaning to the base...which, like Pavlov's dog, more often than not has an automatic, unthinking reaction to it involving foaming at the mouth or at least drooling.

        Example: as the Civil Rights movement wore on, a lot of the hardcore racists learned that you can't outright call people "nigger" and win votes anymore. So they changed their terminology to things like "urban youth," "thugs," "forced busing," "inner-city culture," and so forth. Looks different on the surface, but the red-meat red-state base hears the double-G loud and clear.

        Several of the...ahem...more doctrinaire Democrat posters on this site do the exact same thing. Once you spot it a few times it becomes obvious, and also infuriating, because they think everyone outside their base is too stupid to know what they're doing.

        Let's stop the dogwhistling. I want to see the word "nigger" used more often on this site. Democrats should own their racism. I'm happy to own my racism.

        • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:14PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:14PM (#1053599)

          My racism is about improving myself and helping my race. I try not to focus on the problems of other races so much. Though i will use derogatory terms for other races when angered, but i try to give individuals the benefit of the doubt when the situation allows it.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:00PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:00PM (#1053455) Journal

        Considering Republicans Trumpicans have been doing every dirty trick in the book to suppress undesirable voting, gerrymander districts, etc. I doubt anything can be done. Get ready to have Christianity, Authoritarianism, and Facism shoved down your throat.

        Ed, Trump can't gerrymander diddly squat. States draw their own districts. Second, Trump is the last guy to force Christianity down anyone's throat. Third, Trump had carte blanche for two years, and did not shove authoritarianism or fascism down anyone's throat. We have separation of powers in America, which is why Gov. Whitmer is able to enact a draconian lockdown in Michigan while the governor of South Dakota never locked down at all; had they been under Trump's thumb, as you believe, they both would have done the same thing, whatever that might have wound up being.

        I do agree with you that we are arriving at the end of an era. I don't know how it's going to happen, what the transition will be, nor what the end state will be, but I am pretty darn sure it's not going to be much fun for anyone getting there.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:13PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @03:13PM (#1053513)

        Well........ Mitch McFuckFace made a huge fucking deal about a lame duck president nominating anyone for the Supreme Court. That was with a lot more time left in Obama's term.

        So using their own logic, the right to place the next person on the Supreme Court rests with the voters, and ultimately the next president.

        Chuck Schumer in 2016: Attn GOP: Senate has confirmed 17 #SCOTUS justices in presidential election years.

        Chuck Schumer yesterday: The American people should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice. Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new president.

        So don't label R's as hypocrites. They all are when it serves their interests. Far-left congressmen want to expand the Supreme Court with 15 Progressives if they win the presidency and the Senate. So maybe you should calm down with the hyperventilating.

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:34AM (6 children)

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:34AM (#1053818)

        Get ready to have Christianity, Authoritarianism, and Facism shoved down your throat. It's going to be an age of anti-abortion pro-corporate decisions, that also do whatever is necessary to give more powers to the office of the president, and suppress protests with whatever brutal methods are available.

        Probably so. But remember, the American people chose this.

        I could be wrong. November 20, we could have a landslide election in favor of Biden, with Americans widely showing their disapproval for Trump and his policies and appointments/selections. But I doubt it; I wouldn't be surprised *at all* for the election to be won by Trump, yet again with a narrow popular vote loss but a win with the Electoral College. Americans really showed their colors in 2016 when they elected Trump, and then over and over again during the next 4 years with their various actions in favor of him. This wasn't just some accidental fluke; if it were, the Republicans in Congress would overwhelmingly be opposing him, but they aren't, they're backing him up every way they can, and the American voters (well, about half of them) love it.

        Overall, this is just the corpse of America passing a little gas

        Yep, basically this is what it's like living inside a nation that's in steep decline. All good things must come to an end, as the saying goes, and America couldn't stay on top forever. Just look at what happened to the UK: it was the most powerful nation on the planet for a long time ("the sun never sets on the British Empire"), and now they're just a sad shell of their former glory. If we're lucky, we'll suffer the UK's fate. If we're not so lucky, it'll be something more like Russia, or worse.

        • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Sunday September 20 2020, @10:59PM (5 children)

          by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Sunday September 20 2020, @10:59PM (#1054119) Homepage
          > But remember, the American people chose this.

          The data says otherwise.

          The EC chose this. The people wanted the opposite outcome. Historical gerrymandering ensured that their voice was ignorable.

          Not that what they voted for would necessarily have been better for more than a tiny fraction of the population, of course.
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          • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday September 21 2020, @09:20PM (4 children)

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Monday September 21 2020, @09:20PM (#1054633)

            The data says otherwise.
            The EC chose this. The people wanted the opposite outcome. Historical gerrymandering ensured that their voice was ignorable.

            No, the data doesn't say otherwise at all. Trump **narrowly** lost the popular vote, and handily won the EC vote, because that's how the system was set up. We've had 233 years now to fix this, and it hasn't been done, so obviously it isn't considered to be enough of a problem to bother fixing via a Constitutional Amendment. Contrast this with alcohol consumption, which apparently *was* considered SO important an issue that alcohol was banned via Constitutional Amendment. If there were enough popular support for fixing the Electoral College system, it would have been fixed by now.

            Anyway, no, the people did *not* want the opposite outcome. Yes, *some* people did, in fact a very small majority of voters, but that's not enough. 46% of American voters chose Trump (compared to 48% who chose Hillary). Neither one of them had a majority, so don't give me that "most Americans wanted..." crap, because 48% is NOT a majority.

            My point stands. The American people chose this, through numerous actions and non-actions. If a large majority of Americans wanted something different, it would be done somehow. We're getting what we have because this is what we either want or tolerate, and it is what we deserve. If we deserved better, we would be fighting for something better, but we're not.

            • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:53AM (3 children)

              by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:53AM (#1054890) Homepage
              God, you're full of shit.

              When evaluating whether the people *chose* this, an *active verb*, you count the number of people who chose this, which was thirty-something percent of the eligible voters. Sixty-something percent of the voters *did not chose this*.

              That's alas just how facts work; maybe try being in the right next time if you care about winning arguments.
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              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Tuesday September 22 2020, @07:31PM (2 children)

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Tuesday September 22 2020, @07:31PM (#1055102)

                I *am* in the right, and you're full of shit. According to the official stats, 46% of voters chose Trump, not "thirty-something". Where the hell did you get that number? Are you counting people who didn't vote or something? Sorry, but those people don't count. In a democracy, you have to actually vote to be counted. If you don't vote, that's implicit consent.

                • (Score: 1, Troll) by FatPhil on Wednesday September 23 2020, @03:09PM (1 child)

                  by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday September 23 2020, @03:09PM (#1055562) Homepage
                  Nope, you're an idiot with terrible reading comprehension. Reread for comprehension this time, and then apologise when (or should I say "if", as you're not showing much activity in your noggin presently, and I shouldn't get my hopes up) you've worked out your idiotic mistake.
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                  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday September 25 2020, @07:20AM

                    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Friday September 25 2020, @07:20AM (#1056582) Homepage
                    Lack of attempt to reread for understanding detected, signalled oh-so-clearly by the downmod.

                    Or maybe you did attempt to reread, but just couldn't extract the meaning for the words. In which case I could award you a point for trying, but then deduct two for the depth of your fail.
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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:49AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:49AM (#1053145)

      Probably not. Now that it only takes a simple majority, and the Senate is Republican-controlled, you can expect a new nominee to be rushed through before the election.

      But that's what Democrats wanted. Filibusters are racist [cnn.com], after all.

      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:27AM (2 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:27AM (#1053183) Journal

        But that's what Democrats wanted. Filibusters are racist, after all.

        Oh please! They had their chance to get rid of it ten years ago when they had the majority and blew it. The "compromise" of 2013 is an atrocity. If the democrats want to win, they have to become an opposition party.

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        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:38AM (1 child)

          by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:38AM (#1053820)

          That's the problem with Democrats. They whine a lot about "Republican obstructionism", but the GOP is actually really good at working together as a cohesive unit and doing whatever they have to to get their way. The Democrats keep trying to look like they're above this kind of dirty politicking, but in the end they just cave and don't actually get any results. It's like trying to fight a fair boxing match according to the rules, but with an opponent who thinks nothing of breaking the rules.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 21 2020, @04:28AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 21 2020, @04:28AM (#1054236)

            During her time as Prosecutor and then DA she helped convict or plea bargain plenty of people to help further her career regardless of the facts. I got to hear her discussing some opinions of us in the hallway of the courthouse in downtown Sacramento about 12-15 years ago. Suffice it to say she's a snake, and having gotten that up close and personal experience, I'd wish her as VP as much as I'd want Pence. She'll fucking ruin this country just as badly as they will, particularly in support of pro-police, pro-authority, pro-judicial and fuck everyone else lines of policy.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:13AM (4 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:13AM (#1053170) Journal

      Troll

      ayayay! First the democrats.. Now the republicans!

      Oh well, good to know I can offend everybody. Most people have to spend big money to do that

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:37AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @07:37AM (#1053332)

        Shut up, Fusty! You are exposing yourself, and it ain't pretty.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:02PM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:02PM (#1053456) Journal

        That is an achievement. If you can draw mindless partisan troll mods from both sides, you're walking a good path.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:22PM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:22PM (#1053476) Journal

          :-) Of that, I am the champion! Strip away the veneer and show their true colors

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:18PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:18PM (#1053569)

          He's gotta if he wants to any credibility for the "both sides" routine.

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:17AM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:17AM (#1053174)

      Can anything be done? Yes, it's time for the Democrats to expand the Supreme Court to 15 judges like FDR wanted. When Democrats take control this election, it's time to make the Republicans' hypocrisy bite them in the ass.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:22AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @01:22AM (#1053181)

        The DREAM act was written just for you. ;^)

      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:46AM

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:46AM (#1053824)

        I'd rather have 13 justices instead.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:36AM (10 children)

      by legont (4179) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:36AM (#1053225)

      The liberal idea is done and gone; at least for my lifetime.

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      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:42AM (9 children)

        by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @04:42AM (#1053823)

        The liberal idea is alive and well, just not so much in the US. There's plenty of countries where the kind of liberal values you probably believe in are practiced: well-regulated and inexpensive healthcare, gun control, a good social safety net, good regulation of industries, etc. What Americans need to wake up and realize is that the USA is not like western European nations that have all those things. The USA is much more like countries such as Russia and Brazil. Basically, think of the US as a hybrid of those two countries that won the lottery.

        • (Score: 2) by legont on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:12PM (8 children)

          by legont (4179) on Sunday September 20 2020, @12:12PM (#1053897)

          Yes, I agree with you. I was a liberal for most of my life. The reason I hate American liberals is simple - they betrayed me. It is personal.
          Having said that, the only hopeful place you mentioned - Western Europe - is going down the same drain fast. The tide turned I believe for a long long time.
          Therefore one has to keep guns and lots of ammo at hand, unfortunately.

          --
          "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
          • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:26PM (7 children)

            by Grishnakh (2831) on Sunday September 20 2020, @05:26PM (#1053996)

            How did American liberals "betray" you?

            I think the other thing people seem to forget is that liberals (in the American sense, not the "classical" sense) are, by definition, people who are unhappy with the status quo and want to change things for the better (in their view of "better" of course). Conservatives, OTOH, are by definition people who want to keep things mostly the same, go back to some halcyon "golden age", etc. So for the conservatives, the goals are generally better defined, because they agree more with each other on what their goals are. With (American) liberals, not so much: they have many different goals, some of them even conflicting. That's why you have stuff like some liberals who are interested in environmental issues, some interested in social-justice issues, some want everyone to become vegan and not swat flies, some just want police to stop shooting black people in the back, some want open borders, some want a better social safety net, some just want to emulate Denmark, some want more freedom of religion, some think all religion is bad and want restrictions on it, some want to preserve freedom of speech (a classically-liberal position), others want restrictions on it, etc.

            • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:20AM (6 children)

              by legont (4179) on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:20AM (#1055186)

              How did American liberals "betray" you?

              There are many, but one I have to mention.
              Women who went to work did not get any new money. Whatever was paid to them was simply taken from men's pay.
              Family income did not increase. It became necessary for both to work and every dollar a wife made was taken from her husband's pay.
              Women in our liberal paradise simply work for free.

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              "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
              • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Wednesday September 23 2020, @02:32AM (5 children)

                by Grishnakh (2831) on Wednesday September 23 2020, @02:32AM (#1055204)

                So you think preventing women from working and forcing them to be second-class citizens is somehow preferable? Try asking some women in your life what they think about that attitude.

                • (Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:31PM (4 children)

                  by legont (4179) on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:31PM (#1055433)

                  Don't twist my words.
                  What liberals have done was simple. They brainwashed women to go working and then deducted their pay from their husbands. The total income increase for the family was zero, while the work doubled and it came mostly on women. And don't think women don't get it. They sure do. At least "flyover" women. And they hate liberals with all their hearts. They drive with "Clinton to prison" bumper stickers.
                  BTW, it was the biggest hit on productivity as well and so regressed the country. Any underpaid labor slows the progress, but free labor just stops it dead.

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                  "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
                  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday September 24 2020, @11:58PM (3 children)

                    by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday September 24 2020, @11:58PM (#1056440)

                    I haven't twisted your words at all, you're simply incapable of looking at things from a woman's perspective. Why would a woman want to be a second-class citizen, unable to have a normal career like a man, and be forced to marry someone just to have a decent life unless she's lucky enough to be born into wealth? Do you not realize what life was like for women before the 1950s or so?

                    "Flyover" women don't hate liberals because of work, they hate them for various other reasons. Modern far-right conservatives (and I know a few) have other issues they're angry about; what you describe is absolutely NOT one of them. Things they worry about are guns, religious issues, abortion, government social programs ("socialism"), etc. Women's equality is actually something they're perfectly happy with, and these "liberal hating" women (again, I know several) are generally very independent and despise the idea of being forced to be dependent on a man. If anything, these women are much more like libertarians than whatever antiquated notion of conservatives you seem to have.

                    • (Score: 2) by legont on Friday September 25 2020, @12:59PM (2 children)

                      by legont (4179) on Friday September 25 2020, @12:59PM (#1056677)

                      Women, like most people, do not like working for free. They also do like to stay home with children when they have children.
                      American attitude to women is just plan ridiculous. Two weeks off and then go back to the mill with the baby crying at home. Russia, for example, has two years off.
                      The only American women who are happy are liberal DINKs - double income no kids.

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                      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
                      • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Friday September 25 2020, @03:21PM (1 child)

                        by Grishnakh (2831) on Friday September 25 2020, @03:21PM (#1056767)

                        Wow, you're insane. You're somehow trying to make the case that the lousy maternity leave standard in America somehow makes American women want to become slaves to men again? No, progressive American women just want to adopt policies like those in Western Europe, which are generous like Russia's. The problem is that conservative women keep voting against this, and their other best economic interests, by voting for a party that opposes all these things, or anything that's profitable for businesses.

                        • (Score: 1, Troll) by legont on Friday September 25 2020, @11:09PM

                          by legont (4179) on Friday September 25 2020, @11:09PM (#1056982)

                          You twist my words again.
                          American women want freedom to either work or be mothers, but when they do work they want to be paid *in addition* to what their husbands paid. They *do not* want their salary to be deducted form their husband's paycheck.
                          And make no mistake - they know that it was liberals who screwed them out of money and time. That's why they hate Clinton and this dead judge witch. They know it was on purpose just so the rich liberals make more money exploiting them.

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                          "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
    • (Score: 5, Touché) by helel on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:07AM (2 children)

      by helel (2949) on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:07AM (#1053272)

      Well, Fox tells me that it's far to late in Trumps term to let him nominate a justice. The People must have a voice in choosing next Supreme Court Justice [foxnews.com].

      Mitch McConnell's still in control of the Senate and he's made his stance on this kind of thing very clear when he said "The American people‎ should have a voice in the selection of their next Supreme Court Justice, Therefore, this vacancy should not be filled until we have a new President."

      --
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      • (Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:28PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @02:28PM (#1053485) Journal

        McConnell hardly cares about "hypocrisy". And it's silly to dwell on it now. If he can, they will have a new judge before the weekend is over, and we just have to wait until November to see what comes of it.

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      • (Score: 2, Touché) by Sumtingwong on Sunday September 20 2020, @01:55AM

        by Sumtingwong (3592) on Sunday September 20 2020, @01:55AM (#1053777)

        I thought the president was elected for four years. Huh.

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        Things are more like they are today than they ever were before.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:23AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:23AM (#1053390)

      The phone number for the Capitol switchboard, through which you can call your Senator and demand no nominee is voted on until after the election, is 202-224-3121.

      Or try emailing your senator: https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?OrderBy=state&Sort=ASC [senate.gov]

      Oh wait, you meant can anything GOOD be done with this government? No, sorry. Just noise.

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by crafoo on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:32PM (1 child)

      by crafoo (6639) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:32PM (#1053414)

      So it's OK to subvert the law and rules of the land when it benefits "your side"? You are exactly the type of person ruining this country.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:22PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @05:22PM (#1053571)

        You didn't care when McConnell did it to Obama so now you don't get to complain. Repuicans sdt the precedent and have been breaking their oaths for years now. Hypocrisy is very ugly, best watch your step.

    • (Score: 3, Funny) by SpockLogic on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:43PM

      by SpockLogic (2762) on Saturday September 19 2020, @12:43PM (#1053420)

      Can anything be done?

      Yes, no matter what Moscow Mitch does President Biden will nominate two additional associate justices to the Supreme Court after welcoming the four new senators from Washington DC and Puerto Rico.

      Crosses fingers ....

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      Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:23PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:23PM (#1053606)

      what, so you useful idiots can put another subversive Jew in there?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:33PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 19 2020, @06:33PM (#1053608)

        :-) Yep! We want the jew-y-est Jew there is . How 'bout Woody Allen? He might be able to help that nice Maxwell lady out

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:26PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday September 19 2020, @10:26PM (#1053697) Journal

      :-) Heh, Is anyone even slightly amused at the absolutely stunning and complete role reversal by both factions on the issue? I'm impressed! You should be too!

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
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